Minor adjustment to th7 that will change the dynamic

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Originally Posted by azuritalia

Hey guys! This idea is something that I've been thinking about for a while now. I brought it up with my clan mates and they all seemed to like the idea as well so I've decided to share and see if it can get some legs.

The motivation for the idea stems from my playing experience as well as some of the experiences of others that have been playing with me over the months. I've almost maxed out my th8 base and I have to say that playing through th6 and th8 have been a blast! However, I find that there is a bit of a lull during th7 due to it being dominated by Dragon attacks. The dominance of the Dragons makes it near impossible to defend and makes war attacks almost trivial. I saw it back when I was a th7 and I see it now with the members in our clan that are th7. Our wars are th9-th7 and the th7 bases are always guaranteed stars even without higher town hall members dropping down to attack them. For th6 and th8+ war attacks (I'm talking one th6 attacking another th6/one th8 attacking another th8), everything needs to be well thought out to defeat the base, whereas for a th7 attacking another th7, 3 Lightning+10 Dragons can pretty much guarantee 3 stars without much strategic thought going into the attack. As well, the ground game is almost non-existent for th7 attackers attacking their peer th7 bases in wars.



With this motivation behind, my idea is as follows:

As it is right now, th6 players upgrading to th7 receive 2 new cannons and 1 new air defense (among the other new buildings) once their town hall is upgraded.

My idea is to have th6 players upgrading to th7 receive 1 new cannon and 2 new air defense instead, with all of the other new buildings remaining the same as it is. Then when upgrading to th8, players will then get the cannon that was removed from th7 and no new air defense thus th8 remains exactly as it is now.

It is essentially a 1 for 1 defense structure swap that will make players plan out their Dragon attacks more carefully due to the presence of an extra air defense and will make the dragon attacks less automatic. So there's no need to change the number of walls available or anything like that, there will be the same wall space available for the same number of defensive buildings as there is now.

To go along with this, another suggestion would be to make Valkyries (level 1 only) available at th7. Since the ground game is not very prominent for th7 war attacks and Valks are an under-used troop offensively, this would be a step in increasing their use. If the change is made to have an extra air defense and 1 less cannon, I can see Valkyries with Heal/Rage/Wizards become a more popular option for th7 attackers since Dragon attacks will be more difficult and since Giants+Wizards aren't quite strong enough yet at level 4 to consistenly take down a th7 base completely.



Final thing that I've thought about concerning this idea:

let's say that hypothetically the game developers decide to implement this, current th7 bases that have already bought both new cannons would need to be altered retroactively. It would be unfair to players to remove one of their cannons and have them buy a new air defense; it would be a waste of their gold and upgrade time. For th7, cannons are capped at level 8 and air defense are capped at level 5, so I thought of the following rough proposal to change bases retroactively:

if a th7 player has:

a level 1 or level 2 cannon --> replaced by a level 1 air defense
a level 3 or level 4 cannon --> replaced by a level 2 air defense
a level 5 or level 6 cannon --> replaced by a level 3 air defense
a level 7 cannon --> replaced by a level 4 air defense
a level 8 cannon --> replaced by a level 5 air defense

Thanks to those who take the time to read through this, I' love to know what others think. Any feedback and constructive criticism is kindly appreciated :)

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Actually this could be a good idea, I never knew why the town hall 7's got 2 cannons and then you didn't get another one until town hall 10, it makes no sense, what about existing TH7's though it would mess it up.

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Originally Posted by jaronhudson15

Man I know how it feels to constantly be 3 starred by dragons in war, especially for TH7's, but taking out defenses and adding others won't make this any better. Perhaps we could have dragons become unlocked for TH8, because of their Overpoweredness and gaurenteeable 3 stars at TH7. I don't know anyone who hasn't 3 starred a TH7 with drags.
If we have drags unlocked at TH8, then we should be able to have Valkeries unlocked in TH7 just to balance some stuff out.

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I'd be okay with just adding another air defense to th7 without swapping it with a cannon. I'll add that option to my OP. The balance between Dragons and air defense works beautifully at th8, so I'd imagine that simply adding an extra air defense would create the same dynamic at th7, but with slightly weaker Dragons and air defense.

Unlocking Dragons at th8 is a cool idea, but I think people would need th7 to get used to using them because wars at th8 get intense. I do agree though that if a 3rd air defense becomes available, that Valks need to be unlockable at th7 for balance and a legitimate ground attack option at th7.

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Originally Posted by TheMan131505

Mass balloon is OP at town hall 5. Giant/healer is OP at town hall 6. There is little you can do as a defender for either of those strategies. Mass drag is certainly extremely powerful at town hall 7 but war doesn't really begin until town hall 8. I think it is important for there to be these over powered strategies at lower level town halls so that players experiment with different troops and actually enjoy war. If it took some thought and strategy at the lower town hall levels I think a lot of lower level players would quit because it isn't as fun for the casual guy.

But just for the record, my town hall 7 account has not been 3 starred for the last 3 wars and all seven attacks have been with mass drag and I only have level 4 air defenses. Yeah they might have not been the best attackers but it shows that you can't get an auto 3 star by destroying 1 AD with lightnings and putting your 11 dragons on the map. It takes a little bit of funneling skill which helps you later on in the game.

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Thanks for your feedback! I haven't seen much of mass balloon at th5 so I can't really comment on that, but I'd argue that Giant/healer is not OP at th6. I'll say that it's a very popular strategy and that it can be really effective but it takes good skill and planning to pull them off well consistently. Giants have low speed so even deciding how many of them to have in your army was crucial to the result of an attack. In my opinion it doesn't compare to how OP Dragons are at th7. It's awesome that you found a way to design a base that can defend it, I had a lot of trouble doing so and I'm sure lots of others did/do as well. Also, I'm not only talking about it from a defensive point of view..as an attacker that understands funneling troops, I found destroying other th7 in war got repetitive quickly.

You bring up a very good point about casual players losing interest if it's too hard and needing to experiment with troops. At the same time though, they need to experiment with new troops while also learning to use them properly. I'm seeing many th7's graduating to th8 that have no idea how to properly use Dragons. They spammed dragons all throughout th7 and now try the exact same thing at th8 with bad results. Having 3 air defense at th7 should be able to both let them experiment with their new Dragon troop and prepare them for th8, where as you said, the wars start to get more serious. IMO, it wouldn't turn people off the game. I still think we would see many 2 star attacks using mass dragon, it's just that players would need to strategize a bit more to consistently get 3 stars.

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Originally Posted by mattyboo1

Actually this could be a good idea, I never knew why the town hall 7's got 2 cannons and then you didn't get another one until town hall 10, it makes no sense, what about existing TH7's though it would mess it up.

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Thanks man! :)

Yeah that was my thinking behind it too! With so many air attacks against th7, I didn't see the point of the 2nd cannon either, so it only made sense to swap the extra air defense with that to not mess with the number of defense buildings available at th7.

Regarding existing th7 bases, I made a very rough proposal at the end of the original post. The cannon that has already been bought gets replaced by an air defense (ie: if players spent gold and upgrade time on a new cannon, they won't have to do so again on the new air defense). The corresponding levels that made sense to me can be seen at the end of the original post. It would probably be easier for supercell to just make an extra air defense available to th7 without messing with the cannon.