Boat twins

I like helping friends with boats. I like filling my own and having them help me. However, its time the designers and programmers make some changes on what is needed for these orders. I just had a boat that required 6 raspberry jam. First of all, it would have taken 42 hours for me to process all of the jam myself IF my friends had none in their stock. Thank God, one did. BUT when I check the next boat's requirements, so I can start stockpiling, guess what it has? Raspberry jam!!! Come on guys seriously??? Production time is completely ridiculous. I've said it before but NOTHING should take more than two or three hours PERIOD. It's bad enough when I get 6 straight orders for fish items which are about 3 1/2 hours to get the meat and cook EACH. I play during my breaks at work but when this type of thing happens, I wonder why I'm wasting my time on this rather than something like Angry Birds. At least IT doesn't leave he holding the bag waiting for a piles of pies and juice to "cook". How about making the game a little more playable and less wait-able. Lastly, as others have said, cross platform. Put it on Android. I hope you will seriously take these suggestions under consideration. Thank you.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaamen.

I think the game is in part designed to make you want to buy diamonds. In other words, it's designed to be a big, time-consuming grind unless you want to fork over some money to make it easier. So with that in mind I doubt the times it takes to make something is going to change.

If you don't like a boat order and are not going for achievements or leaderboard points, you can always send it back. Sometimes it's better to do so as it might take less time to send it back and complete the next boat than it would to complete the boat you have. Plus you might enjoy the game more not always trying to worry about jam, cream, sugar, etc. To each his or her own, but I have more fun having a stockpile of that stuff, making and selling goods you don't see much and occasionally using it to help others rather than trying to fill a near-impossible boat. I'm always surprised at how many people I see attempting every day to complete terrible boat orders. It can be very difficult to fill them all.

Also, it never hurts to put an ad out on the marketplace, one that will stay up a while. I've been extremely surprised in the past at how many people who aren't on my friends list come to my farm via the marketplace and fill my boat. I've had boxes filled that I thought would take hours to fill by strangers who visited my store.

That said, there does seem to be something wrong with Raspberry Jam in particular, at least based on how many people on my friends list are asking for it every day. The amount of times it appears in boat orders is way out of proportion with the other jams.

I don't know about repeated boat orders, but I do see that boats come to many of my friends with the same EXACT orders around the same time.

Just yesterday and today alone, my friends had three (!) Boats with exactly the same thing consecutively.

Boat last night/early morning: (euro zone) ice cream, blue shirts, eggs
Boat after that: chocolate ice cream, blue shirts, ttomatoe

next boat: popcorn. Wheat. White shirts


Now, someone can calculate the probability of that happening and it is VERY slim if the orders are truly based on a random generator.

i have no idea how the boat orders are generated, but, I have done a cacalculation on the number of possible boats we can have in the game. If they are correct we can have a possible 95284 different boats (at the point where one has unlocked all the possible products that can be asked by boats)

there are 82 items that are possible in the game asked for by boats if you unlocked all items including the coffee machine (No candy, no jewlery, no mine, including all crops and fruits) There are three items/slots. The items can be repeated, two wheat, one jam etc.

so it is a combinatorial calculation (not a permutation) with repetitions.

this site explains well how to calculate this with the analogy of making an ice cream cone: you have 5 flavours, 3 flavours are chosen, and they can be repeated, and order doesn't matter.

http://www.mathsisfun.com/combinator...mutations.html

the basic formula is this
(N+r-1)! Divided by R!(N-1)!
The exclamation mark is factorial of the number so after using 82 as N and r is 3 you get 95284 possible different boats.

This includes boats with three wheat orders and three BnE orders (which I have seen)


The chances of two people having the same order at the same time, or around the same time, if it is indeed completely random, would be (1/95284) squared which is 1/9079040656

Very very unlikely.


I would definitely hope SC can randomise their orders more. Yes, I get you want diamonds, fine, and I haven't spent a lot of money, but this is just bad game design to ask friends the help the exact same boats 5-6 times when they log in.


The other day, there were raspberry jam boats all day, plus 6-7 raspberry mocha boats at the same time I logged in to help my friends.


If this is designed so no one gets their boat points fast or encourage us to order Tom, then I have to say I am disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Swisspie81

I don't know about repeated boat orders, but I do see that boats come to many of my friends with the same EXACT orders around the same time.

Just yesterday and today alone, my friends had three (!) Boats with exactly the same thing consecutively.

Boat last night/early morning: (euro zone) ice cream, blue shirts, eggs
Boat after that: chocolate ice cream, blue shirts, ttomatoe

next boat: popcorn. Wheat. White shirts


Now, someone can calculate the probability of that happening and it is VERY slim if the orders are truly based on a random generator.

i have no idea how the boat orders are generated, but, I have done a cacalculation on the number of possible boats we can have in the game. If they are correct we can have a possible 95284 different boats (at the point where one has unlocked all the possible products that can be asked by boats)

there are 82 items that are possible in the game asked for by boats if you unlocked all items including the coffee machine (No candy, no jewlery, no mine, including all crops and fruits) There are three items/slots. The items can be repeated, two wheat, one jam etc.

so it is a combinatorial calculation (not a permutation) with repetitions.

this site explains well how to calculate this with the analogy of making an ice cream cone: you have 5 flavours, 3 flavours are chosen, and they can be repeated, and order doesn't matter.

http://www.mathsisfun.com/combinator...mutations.html

the basic formula is this
(N+r-1)! Divided by R!(N-1)!
The exclamation mark is factorial of the number so after using 82 as N and r is 3 you get 95284 possible different boats.

This includes boats with three wheat orders and three BnE orders (which I have seen)


The chances of two people having the same order at the same time, or around the same time, if it is indeed completely random, would be (1/95284) squared which is 1/9079040656

Very very unlikely.


I would definitely hope SC can randomise their orders more. Yes, I get you want diamonds, fine, and I haven't spent a lot of money, but this is just bad game design to ask friends the help the exact same boats 5-6 times when they log in.


The other day, there were raspberry jam boats all day, plus 6-7 raspberry mocha boats at the same time I logged in to help my friends.


If this is designed so no one gets their boat points fast or encourage us to order Tom, then I have to say I am disappointed.

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Golly Swisspie, you never cease to amaze me! Would I be lowering the intellectual level of this thread if I just said "it sure was a raspberry jam day yesterday!" Over the weekend, my daughter and I kept getting exactly the same boats.

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Originally Posted by Woozle

Golly Swisspie, you never cease to amaze me! Would I be lowering the intellectual level of this thread if I just said "it sure was a raspberry jam day yesterday!" Over the weekend, my daughter and I kept getting exactly the same boats.

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My friend and I are still on the same track. 4 boats exactly the same. Keeping going to track them and then I will be writing an email to customer service to let them have my opinion about it.


i would appreciate and encourage anyone who has experienced this to write on this thread:) would be helpful if it isn't just some freak coincidence. I never win the lottery anyway. If I did I wouldn't be playing this game. Ironic eh SC?

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Originally Posted by Swisspie81

My friend and I are still on the same track. 4 boats exactly the same. Keeping going to track them and then I will be writing an email to customer service to let them have my opinion about it.


i would appreciate and encourage anyone who has experienced this to write on this thread:) would be helpful if it isn't just some freak coincidence. I never win the lottery anyway. If I did I wouldn't be playing this game. Ironic eh SC?

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Yes, it's certainly been a raspberry jam day! Had two consecutive ones, and 3 of my 11 followers and four of my friends were also asking for it 🐮

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Originally Posted by alcibiades

Well sadly, some things in the way boat works is just by default defunct. Jam orders are one of them. I had a boat asking for Raspberry Jam the other day, 3 crates of 3 each. That's 9 Raspberry Jam, which will take 63 hours to produce. And the boat is there for 16 hours and then a couple of hours advance notice. That's doesn't even make half sense.

Anyway, with regard to OT, I'll second what Qpdaquiri said, that sounds like a reasonable explanation.

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I think this game expects us to have a good stock of supplies and if we don't, we're supposed to send away the boats. But of course many of us would rather not! Especially those who are still working on their captain's achievement or want boat points. It's just a method to slow down our progress as far as I can tell.

I think there's something fishy about the rasp jam orders. Past few days a LOT of people's boats been asking for them, seemingly all at same time too. Right now my jam maker is only queued with rasp jam to replenish my supply because that's getting used up like mad filling my boat as well as others.

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Originally Posted by Woozle

Hi, Suggest you look at new thread 'Boat Orders need to be Changed Immediately' in ideas & feature requests. Your input appreciated.

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Awww thanks Woozle:)

Yes, it seems a lot of users have experienced the raspberry jam mania, but what is even more 'fishy' is my friends and I got the exact same three items for nearly two days now. Four boats we have kept consistent track of, others were on the weekend that were the same but not sure if it was the same consecutively


boat 1 egg, vanilla ice cream, and blue ssweaters.

boat 2 blue sweaters, chocolate ice cream, tomatoes.

boat 3 popcorn plain, wheat, white sweaters.

boat 4 indigo wool red berry cakes

we live in different countries, though in the Euro zone. Will try keep track of these boats as they come (if I can) and edit this post as necessary.

In the other thread I did a calculation and decided that if the boats are in fact random, the probability of two people getting two of the same boats is 1 out of 9 million.


Therefore I don't believe the boats are random at all. I think they have a particular sequence which vary depending on when the player logs in or chooses to send away particular types of boats. I can't tell SC what to do different because I don't know exactly how it is done, but there are 82 different things possible to be asked on boats, with 95284 possible boats.
(using a calculation of combination with possible repetition (not permutation as order matters not))

i have said on other threads that I don't mind sending off the difficult ones, but it does bother me that with so many possible combinations, we don't have more variety in boats.

It's not good for the game. People cannot help another easily, but maybe that's what they want, they want us to spend diamonds to help boats or speed up products or use Tom.

Fair enough, they want their money, but it feels like beating a dead horse by now, asking those who don't want to spend to spend, and those who spend already have given them enough money, IMHO.

This is also the reason why I believe SC will never allow us to trade in the game. It is allowed on the forum because so little of their player population visit it for help. It is the mere imbalance of products and demand of boats within the coding that encourages the average player to spend on diamonds. If players did trade to get X, Y, Z for their boats or to expand the barn, they would lose a lot of their profit. That's my guess anyway.

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Originally Posted by Swisspie81

Awww thanks Woozle:)

Yes, it seems a lot of users have experienced the raspberry jam mania, but what is even more 'fishy' is my friends and I got the exact same three items for nearly two days now. Four boats we have kept consistent track of, others were on the weekend that were the same but not sure if it was the same consecutively


boat 1 egg, vanilla ice cream, and blue ssweaters.

boat 2 blue sweaters, chocolate ice cream, tomatoes.

boat 3 popcorn plain, wheat, white sweaters.

boat 4 indigo wool red berry cakes

we live in different countries, though in the Euro zone. Will try keep track of these boats as they come (if I can) and edit this post as necessary.

In the other thread I did a calculation and decided that if the boats are in fact random, the probability of two people getting two of the same boats is 1 out of 9 million.


Therefore I don't believe the boats are random at all. I think they have a particular sequence which vary depending on when the player logs in or chooses to send away particular types of boats. I can't tell SC what to do different because I don't know exactly how it is done, but there are 82 different things possible to be asked on boats, with 95284 possible boats.
(using a calculation of combination with possible repetition (not permutation as order matters not))

i have said on other threads that I don't mind sending off the difficult ones, but it does bother me that with so many possible combinations, we don't have more variety in boats.

It's not good for the game. People cannot help another easily, but maybe that's what they want, they want us to spend diamonds to help boats or speed up products or use Tom.

Fair enough, they want their money, but it feels like beating a dead horse by now, asking those who don't want to spend to spend, and those who spend already have given them enough money, IMHO.

This is also the reason why I believe SC will never allow us to trade in the game. It is allowed on the forum because so little of their player population visit it for help. It is the mere imbalance of products and demand of boats within the coding that encourages the average player to spend on diamonds. If players did trade to get X, Y, Z for their boats or to expand the barn, they would lose a lot of their profit. That's my guess anyway.

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Well I gather that before I started playing you could open more than three crates, so they must have reduced that option for a reason. My daughter has reminded me that at the weekend her boats actually mirrored mine twice. Can't remember the contents the first time but the second was apple pies syrup and wool. Me first, hers about one and a half hours later.

I wonder if anyone else has had a chocolate cake day. I did two friends with choc cakes yesterday and have them myself today. Also three friends wanted choc ice cream today, which I can't yet do. But mostly, everywhere I go its jam, jam, and more jam.

Loads of my friends were on buttered popcorn! Couldn't help as I'd just filled my own boat with my stockpile.

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Originally Posted by Woozle

Golly Swisspie, you never cease to amaze me! Would I be lowering the intellectual level of this thread if I just said "it sure was a raspberry jam day yesterday!" Over the weekend, my daughter and I kept getting exactly the same boats.

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♥♥♥♥ - I was thinking the same thing, the math went kinda 'whoosh' over my head, but yeah someone has a serious razzy jam fetish atm.
Lets just hope the next craving is for some good old eggs..or maybe strawberries? It *is* summer after all (allegedly - I do live in the North of England and summer is pretty much blink-and-you'll-miss-it) and Wimbledon starts in a few days...no Wimbledon without strawberries. Oh but NOOOoo, what goes with strawberries? CREAM!! What am I thinking??!? :eek:

Wouldn't it be cool if all those items used to fill up boats were sold in a global traders village? It sure would be nice to get some of my jars of jam back.

Why the boat orders alway asking sugar, cream, sugar, cream...... Its repeatly alL over again. How can we help others boat if our order also sugar, cream, sugar, cream....
If its not sugar and cream, its asking jam with a lot of ammount, how can we fullfill 6 jam with only 15 hour time


Please make it more variation for the boat order.

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Originally Posted by Novtia

Why the boat orders alway asking sugar, cream, sugar, cream...... Its repeatly alL over again. How can we help others boat if our order also sugar, cream, sugar, cream....
If its not sugar and cream, its asking jam with a lot of ammount, how can we fullfill 6 jam with only 15 hour time


Please make it more variation for the boat order.

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I'm finding this frustrating as well, its pretty much every boat, I'm finding it hard to help people with their boat orders when they're all after the same thing :(

I don't know about other time zones. My friend and I just got to our 6th consecutive boat with exactly the same products. She is one hour ahead of me, and we sent off the 5th boat about 2 hours apart.

The newest coming is white sugar cocoa and raspberry mocha which we both don't choose to fill. Lets see how long this keeps up. Nearly three days now.

I used to have a feeling that boats tend to ask same products at the same time. It happened often: my boat requested, say it, carrot pie, and I started to digg DD and... found that several people have their boats requesting for carrot pies as well. OK, that could be psycological coincedense: one sees only what he's looking for.

But a couple of days ago I found that one of my friends receives EXACTLY same boats as me! Same goods, same quantities, we've already tracked 3 consecutive boats. That's a fact, they are just same, our boats!

Is it frequent? Do you have your friends whose boats are 100% same as yours? Are there ways to use this phenomenon for good?

I think that two dedicated boat loaders in that situation could cross-open their crates and fill for each other. I mean, imagine that I have 33 sugar, and my friend has 33 sugar, and we both have boats with 3 crates asking for 11 sugar each. I open my sugar crates fir help, my friend does the same, and we fill each other's crates. We will get same money, same xp, but extra wheel points and extra crates for Co-op achievement. Isn't that an advantage?

Other idea is that one of such a pair who sends his boat first, can warn another one about next boat order, and goods can start to be produced with more that standard 4 hours handicap... That could be great stabilizing effect: boat twins never split, becouase the more one's gap is, the more time he has to produce goods and complete the boat just upon its arrival. Extra wheel points for quck sending, again!

So, do you have boat twin or have you encountered such situation for other players? How did you use this situation?

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Originally Posted by rplotnikov

I used to have a feeling that boats tend to ask same products at the same time. It happened often: my boat requested, say it, carrot pie, and I started to digg DD and... found that several people have their boats requesting for carrot pies as well. OK, that could be psycological coincedense: one sees only what he's looking for.

But a couple of days ago I found that one of my friends receives EXACTLY same boats as me! Same goods, same quantities, we've already tracked 3 consecutive boats. That's a fact, they are just same, our boats!

Is it frequent? Do you have your friends whose boats are 100% same as yours? Are there ways to use this phenomenon for good?

I think that two dedicated boat loaders in that situation could cross-open their crates and fill for each other. I mean, imagine that I have 33 sugar, and my friend has 33 sugar, and we both have boats with 3 crates asking for 11 sugar each. I open my sugar crates fir help, my friend does the same, and we fill each other's crates. We will get same money, same xp, but extra wheel points and extra crates for Co-op achievement. Isn't that an advantage?

Other idea is that one of such a pair who sends his boat first, can warn another one about next boat order, and goods can start to be produced with more that standard 4 hours handicap... That could be great stabilizing effect: boat twins never split, becouase the more one's gap is, the more time he has to produce goods and complete the boat just upon its arrival. Extra wheel points for quck sending, again!

So, do you have boat twin or have you encountered such situation for other players? How did you use this situation?

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Hi, There are two threads going about this at the moment which you should read. One in General titled Difficult Boats and one in Ideas and Feature Requests - Boat Orders need to be changed Immediately. If you can add your experiences to either thread, that would be appreciated.

I've just read that. Thank you. :)

Me and a friend are now an th streak of three identical boats. I... find it amazing! Some nice strategies come across my mind when I think that there could be a player with exactly same boats as mine for forever :)

Something should be redesigned with jams... Like no more than 1 rasp./cherry/blackb. per crate. Apple can be 2 per crate, but that boat should have 9 crates, not twelve. And consecutive jam boats... Well, that should not happen.

It obvious that such a complicated game like Hay Day shouldn't have a simple randomizer for any of its gameplay elements. There're algorythms for boats, they should be. But the situations like consecutive jam boats make me.... to stop playing for a day (or at least a half) and delay boat arrival in order to ensure I have enough jam produced by the time boat will LEAVE. Does SC need a player who doesn't play their game, cos he want to play more effectively?

Funny thing in talking about that is that Hay Day in online game, and every single decision and action of us, players, is logged and tracked. So I can't say scary words "Hey, I talk on behalf of millions, we're tired of jammy boat policy, change your game or we quit!" :) I only can hope that people really stop (or at least delay) playing Hay Day when they encounter tough boats and other difficulties in the game... Millions of players are just playing and feeling fine, or don't feel but continue to play, and what do I do on this forum? Based on my experience of 1 player, or even 18 experiences of all players who posted in this thread, how can I teach SC how to make their game better? SC could kill this forum completely and it wouldn't affect a tiny percentage of their players and revenue and volume of behavioural infirmation they receive just reading server logs...

I don't complain, I'm glad that the game is like it generally is. It's just a philosophical remark.

We shuffeled the posts about the same subject around so it can be discussed in one place. :)

I noticed this on two of my game center friends who happen to have the identical boat orders.

I am on the 8th (!!!!!) consecutive boat order with my friend now. She is one ahead of me, so she is already expecting her 9th boat, but will wait till I send my 8th one to keep it neatly tracked rather than staggered. That is RIGHT SC, I am not dumb! People talk. Exact three items. But quantities vary, still the exact same three items.


I don't care about the quantity. I care that I did the calculations and a truly random probability of this happening is 1 out of billions now.



boat 1 egg, vanilla ice cream, and blue ssweaters.


boat 2 blue sweaters, chocolate ice cream, tomatoes.


boat 3 popcorn plain, wheat, white sweaters.


boat 4 indigo wool red berry cakes

Boat 5 milk, chilli plant, and cheesecakes

boat 6 white sugar, cocoa beans, and raspberry mocha

boat 7 fish burgers, cherry jam, goat cheese

boat 8 milk, cherry jam, cherries.


edit: still on track!! 9th boat in a row, eggs cherries and hot chocolate;) Hahahaha I am not making this up. I am not bored enough to do that.

I'm sure a fancy algorithm has been written so that friends who help each other get similar boats so they are then placed in a fulfillment "predicament" otherwise known as Hay Day Mae Day ... Or freak out if you don't like rhyming.

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Originally Posted by Swisspie81

I am on the 8th (!!!!!) consecutive boat order with my friend now. She is one ahead of me, so she is already expecting her 9th boat, but will wait till I send my 8th one to keep it neatly tracked rather than staggered. That is RIGHT SC, I am not dumb! People talk. Exact three items. But quantities vary, still the exact same three items.


I don't care about the quantity. I care that I did the calculations and a truly random probability of this happening is 1 out of billions now.



boat 1 egg, vanilla ice cream, and blue ssweaters.


boat 2 blue sweaters, chocolate ice cream, tomatoes.


boat 3 popcorn plain, wheat, white sweaters.


boat 4 indigo wool red berry cakes

Boat 5 milk, chilli plant, and cheesecakes

boat 6 white sugar, cocoa beans, and raspberry mocha

boat 7 fish burgers, cherry jam, goat cheese

boat 8 milk, cherry jam, cherries.


edit: still on track!! 9th boat in a row, eggs cherries and hot chocolate;) Hahahaha I am not making this up. I am not bored enough to do that.

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Continuing on the lovely boat twins! Hurray!
Boat 9 eggs cherries and hot chocolate
Boat 10 cheese, cream mocha, cheesecake
Boat 11 coming up, burgers, raspberry jam, cherry jam. Yeppers. still the same three items. I will be kicking this boat while my friend will fill it full and send. We will see of that makes any difference... If it doesn't, the boats are really just a stream of sequences and can see varied when players log in n out at different times, but the dock is pre set by the developers.

Way to go with the detective work Swisspie!! Should we call you 'Holmes' from now on...or would ya prefer 'Columbo'? ;)

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Originally Posted by Schmoo

Way to go with the detective work Swisspie!! Should we call you 'Holmes' from now on...or would ya prefer 'Columbo'? ;)

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I like Holmes because I always wanted to try the giant pipe and live on Baker Street. N Dr. Watson is such a sweet guy ;) lol!!! And I don't know who Columbo is......:(

edit: just wiki'ed him;)
Still prefer Holmes!! But at Wimbledon... Think you will know whom I will be cheering for ;)

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Continuing on the lovely boat twins! Hurray!Boat 9 eggs cherries and hot chocolateBoat 10 cheese, cream mocha, cheesecakeBoat 11 coming up, burgers, raspberry jam, cherry jam. Yeppers. still the same three items. I will be kicking this boat while my friend will fill it full and send. We will see of that makes any difference... If it doesn't, the boats are really just a stream of sequences and can see varied when players log in n out at different times, but the dock is pre set by the developers

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Update on my boat twins:

Boat 11: raspberry jam, cherry jam, burgers: I kicked it, my friend filled it and sent it away. Didn't make any difference. Still the same next order

boat 12: cherry jam, raspberry muffins, cherry juice

Boat 13: cheese casserole (the square kind), bacon and eggs, and berry juice

Boat 14: burgers, brown sugar, and apple juice

Boat 15: Blackberry jam, cherries, and cocoa beans

Boat 16: blue shirts, blueberry muffins, and wheat

boat 17: caffe mocha, caffe latte, and red berry cake

Voucher colours are different occasionally, same occasionally, and amounts are different occasionally, same occasionally. The dock remains, forever, the same in sequence.

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Update on my boat twins:

Boat 11: raspberry jam, cherry jam, burgers: I kicked it, my friend filled it and sent it away. Didn't make any difference. Still the same next order

boat 12: cherry jam, raspberry muffins, cherry juice

Boat 13: cheese casserole (the square kind), bacon and eggs, and berry juice

Boat 14: burgers, brown sugar, and apple juice

Boat 15: Blackberry jam, cherries, and cocoa beans

Boat 16: blue shirts, blueberry muffins, and wheat

boat 17: caffe mocha, caffe latte, and red berry cake

Voucher colours are different occasionally, same occasionally, and amounts are different occasionally, same occasionally. The dock remains, forever, the same in sequence.

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So, continuing on the list of boat twins, which is now triplets as we have another friend joining in this sequence as she recognised some of the same boats in the same order...



Boat 18: butter popcorn, sugar cane, raspberries.

boat 19: buttered popcorn, fish burgers, syrup. (I filled, my friend castes off, stayed on the same sequence).

boat 20: butter, butter, berry juice.

Boat 21: cherry Popsicles, roasted tomatoes, bacon.

Boat 22: raspberry jam, strawberry ice cream, apple jam.

boat 23: apple jam, raspberry jam, bacon and eggs. (Thanks a lot SC team, double jam twice.....).

Boat 24: hot chocolate, carrots, eggs.

boat 25: cheese, strawberry ice cream, syrup.

boat 26: cheese, cream, blackberry jam.

boat 27: popcorn, chilli popcorn, potatoe bread.

boat 28: pumpkin pie, carrots, eggs.

boat 29: caffe latte, feta cake, apple jam.

boat 30: raps berry mocha, cherries, goat milk.

boat 31: boat milk, goat cheese, cheese.

boat 32: tomatoe juice, spicy pizza, fish burger.

boat 33: white sugar, popcorn, fish burgers.

boat 34: spicy popcorn, goat mlk, caffe mocha.

boat 35: goat cheese, strawberry ice cream, green soybeans.

Boat 36: white sugar, cheese cake, carrot juice.

boat 37: syrup, burger, berry juice.

Boat 38: raspberry mocha, bacon and eggs, butter.

boat 39: blackberry jam, baked potatoes, strawberry ice cream.

boat 40: blackberries, apple jam, bacon.

boat 41: apples, white sweaters, bacon pies.

boat 42: carrot pies, strawberry ice cream, caffe latte.

boat 43: white sugar, butter popcorn, strawberry.

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other than the slight annoyance of typing all this up, the other annoyance would be at any suggestion that this 43 boat sequence is any 'COINCIDENCE' or that your boat dock is generated 'randomly'.

While I am fascinated by this phenomenon, the fact is that I stand by my opinion the dock should be randomised and not predetermined. If it is already randomised, it needs to be even more randomised.

Thanks for tracking this, Swisspie81. Yay, another 'mathlete'!

Part of the fascination of this, or any, game for me is figuring out how it works, what the algorithms are, how the heck certain bugs are introduced. Like, after the last update, all my weird random new 'friends' were thankfully gone… now, some are back? But not all?

Why. Why. Why DOES SC NOT USE REGRESSION TESTING?

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/regression_testing.html

Anyway, I digress. This boat thing has been kicking around in my head.

I've noticed that my friends and I don't have identical boats, but everyone DOES seem to need the same thing. For example, if I see popcorn coming up on my next boat, I start buying all of it in the paper because I know if I need it, my friends with boats at the same time are going to need it too.

I just figured SC wrote some lazy randomization code based on time… it SEEMS random, but actually anyone who sends a boat in the next 30 minutes will have popcorn coming up, for example.

I finally tricked/coaxed/begged my Significant Other to start playing, so now I have an equally addicted SO, and another farm to experiment with.

We've tried sending our boats at the exact same time, but that was bad because it almost always resulted in having one or two of the same things needed. I figured it wasn't a perfect match because of the 30 level difference between us.

Your 'twin' list has made me see things in a much more insidious light… someone pre-determined a list of boats? It can't be all time based if you are getting the EXACT same boats.

If so, are there multiple versions of the list (like there are multiple versions of the newspaper?) Or, is it one big list for anyone who has unlocked everything, and we all drop in somewhere? So, I might be on boat 4 of the list, while you're on boat 34.

If there is a list, why is it that about 40% of my friends all share at least one ingredient at the same time? If we all have popcorn, then we can't all be just cycling through this list… but, if there isn't a list, then why are you and two others exactly synched?

I'm curious if it is possible that there is one list, and I could drop in it somewhere. I take sreencaps of every boat I get, so I'll start comparing it to your list. I'll post if I find a pattern. Because it sure would be cool to know what my next boat is based on your list. And then maybe SC would change it if we had a list that told us our upcoming boats.

Anyway, we're on to you SC. We know the boat code has problems. Please fix it, and while you're at it, please remove the possibility of having two of the same items, two items made on the same machine, or cook times over 20 hours.

And please, please, please stop with the feature creep. Seriously. Dedicate one of your little agile 'cells' to tightening up the entire experience. We don't want mermaid leaderboards or cows in hula skirts, we want enjoyable game play that allows us to collaborate and help our friends. I promise, adults with disposable income really, really want you to fix your bugs and not make helping each other so difficult. And this boat thing, like the seemingly random coin value that rare items are worth, is an absolute mess.

If you're taking screenshots of your boats you can organize them with a handy app called Evernote.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3754/9...1edea1b2fd.jpg

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So, continuing on the list of boat twins, which is now triplets as we have another friend joining in this sequence as she recognised some of the same boats in the same order...



Boat 18: butter popcorn, sugar cane, raspberries.

boat 19: buttered popcorn, fish burgers, syrup. (I filled, my friend castes off, stayed on the same sequence).

boat 20: butter, butter, berry juice.

Boat 21: cherry Popsicles, roasted tomatoes, bacon.

Boat 22: raspberry jam, strawberry ice cream, apple jam.

boat 23: apple jam, raspberry jam, bacon and eggs. (Thanks a lot SC team, double jam twice.....).

Boat 24: hot chocolate, carrots, eggs.

boat 25: cheese, strawberry ice cream, syrup.

boat 26: cheese, cream, blackberry jam.

boat 27: popcorn, chilli popcorn, potatoe bread.

boat 28: pumpkin pie, carrots, eggs.

boat 29: caffe latte, feta cake, apple jam.

boat 30: raps berry mocha, cherries, goat milk.

boat 31: boat milk, goat cheese, cheese.

boat 32: tomatoe juice, spicy pizza, fish burger.

boat 33: white sugar, popcorn, fish burgers.

boat 34: spicy popcorn, goat mlk, caffe mocha.

boat 35: goat cheese, strawberry ice cream, green soybeans.

Boat 36: white sugar, cheese cake, carrot juice.

boat 37: syrup, burger, berry juice.

Boat 38: raspberry mocha, bacon and eggs, butter.

boat 39: blackberry jam, baked potatoes, strawberry ice cream.

boat 40: blackberries, apple jam, bacon.

boat 41: apples, white sweaters, bacon pies.

boat 42: carrot pies, strawberry ice cream, caffe latte.

boat 43: white sugar, butter popcorn, strawberry.

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other than the slight annoyance of typing all this up, the other annoyance would be at any suggestion that this 43 boat sequence is any 'COINCIDENCE' or that your boat dock is generated 'randomly'.

While I am fascinated by this phenomenon, the fact is that I stand by my opinion the dock should be randomised and not predetermined. If it is already randomised, it needs to be even more randomised.

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boats... Still... The same! Hurray!!


I think SC should give us some diamonds for having our 100th boat twin !!!!!!!

boat 44: blueberry muffins, cherry jam, bacon pies.

boat 45: blue hats, apples, popcorn.

boat 46: brown sugar, syrup, potatoes.

boat 47: fish pies, cream cake, tomatoes.

boat 48: chocolate icecream, cherry juice, apple juice.

boat 49: tomatoe juice, chocolate cake, carrot juice.

boat 50(!) : strawberry ice cream, cocoa beans, tomatoes.

boat 51: raspberry mocha, vanilla icecream, brown sugar.

boat 52: blue shirts, espresso, cheesecake.

boat 53: cheese, brown sugar, strawberry.

boat 54: syrup, Bacon n Eggs, cherry juice.

boat 55: vanilla ice cream, goat milk, hot chocolate.

boat 56: raspberry jam, apple jam, pancakes (I sent it away empty, friends filled... Still the same.

boat 57: roasted tomatoes, espresso, hot chocolate.

boat 58: cheesecake, pancakes, apples.

boat 59: fish burgers, apple juice, pizza plain.

boat 60: cherry jam, strawberry cake, bacon.

boat 61: feta pie, corn bread, butter.

boat 62: brown sugar, bacon, apple pie.

boat 63: corn bread, raspberry jam, cheese casserole.

boat 64: my favourite boat ever: cream, brown sugar, white sugar.

boat 65: blue shirts, white shirts, butter popcorn.

boat 66: bacon, apple pie, pumpkin pie.

boat 67: white shirts, hot chocolate, chocolate ice cream.

boat 68: white sugar, syrup, cherry jam.

boat 69: brown sugar, cherry juice, milk.

boat 70: Bacon n eggs, raspberry jam, spicy popcorn.

boat 71: borne sugar, spicy pop, strawberry ice cream,

boat 72: espresso, raspberry muffins, feta cake.

boat 73: blue shirts, chocolate ice cream, syrup.

boat 74: cheesecake, butter popcorn, caffe mocha.

boat 75: raspberry mocha, buttered popcorn, vanilla ice cream.

boat 76: goat milk, carrot cake, apples.

boat 77: milk, chocolate ice cream, roasted tomatoes.

boat 78: blue hats, strawberries, cherries.

boat 79: roasted tomatoes, BnE, pancakes.

boat 80(!): syrup, goat cheese, pizzas plain.

boat 81: syrup, burgers, pizzas plain.

Phew. That's a lot of the same exact boats in the same order.
20 more to go till the 100th, come on, show us the diamonds!

Whether it is double orders on the same boat or consecutive boats the feelings of frustration is the same. Last night I had double orders of blue hats on two consecutive boats. (4x4)2 for the first boat then (5x4)2 for the second boat all for blue hats for a total of 72 hats each of which takes 51 minutes to make. Now, I know that blue hats aren't exactly a difficult item to find or produce but knowing that a simple change in algorithm could help alleviate these kinds of orders. Just adding more orders for crops would give us a chance to catch up and have a less stressful game experience. Yes, I know that I can cast off. One observation is that out of 10 consecutive boats I didn't have any orders for crops. Then on the 11th, 12th, and 13th boat I had 4x4 orders for cacao pods. I look at the DD and it is filled with crops for sale and very little variety for anything else. If the devs could add more crops in the boat order rotation it would solve two issues: 1) less chance of double orders for time consuming items, and 2) remove a lot of the excess crops for sale in the DD, thereby increasing the variety of items listed. I personally would love to see boat orders for strawberries, B&E, soybeans, pumpkins, and indigo and the elimination of any double order for any item.

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Thanks for tracking this, Swisspie81. Yay, another 'mathlete'!

Part of the fascination of this, or any, game for me is figuring out how it works, what the algorithms are, how the heck certain bugs are introduced. Like, after the last update, all my weird random new 'friends' were thankfully gone… now, some are back? But not all?

Why. Why. Why DOES SC NOT USE REGRESSION TESTING?

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/regression_testing.html

Anyway, I digress. This boat thing has been kicking around in my head.

I've noticed that my friends and I don't have identical boats, but everyone DOES seem to need the same thing. For example, if I see popcorn coming up on my next boat, I start buying all of it in the paper because I know if I need it, my friends with boats at the same time are going to need it too.

I just figured SC wrote some lazy randomization code based on time… it SEEMS random, but actually anyone who sends a boat in the next 30 minutes will have popcorn coming up, for example.

I finally tricked/coaxed/begged my Significant Other to start playing, so now I have an equally addicted SO, and another farm to experiment with.

We've tried sending our boats at the exact same time, but that was bad because it almost always resulted in having one or two of the same things needed. I figured it wasn't a perfect match because of the 30 level difference between us.

Your 'twin' list has made me see things in a much more insidious light… someone pre-determined a list of boats? It can't be all time based if you are getting the EXACT same boats.

If so, are there multiple versions of the list (like there are multiple versions of the newspaper?) Or, is it one big list for anyone who has unlocked everything, and we all drop in somewhere? So, I might be on boat 4 of the list, while you're on boat 34.

If there is a list, why is it that about 40% of my friends all share at least one ingredient at the same time? If we all have popcorn, then we can't all be just cycling through this list… but, if there isn't a list, then why are you and two others exactly synched?

I'm curious if it is possible that there is one list, and I could drop in it somewhere. I take sreencaps of every boat I get, so I'll start comparing it to your list. I'll post if I find a pattern. Because it sure would be cool to know what my next boat is based on your list. And then maybe SC would change it if we had a list that told us our upcoming boats.

Anyway, we're on to you SC. We know the boat code has problems. Please fix it, and while you're at it, please remove the possibility of having two of the same items, two items made on the same machine, or cook times over 20 hours.

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Hi friend!!!

Ithink the fact that we had boat twins and now triplets (another friend also has the same boats from our boat 17-18.... there can't be any other explanation other than that there is a predetermined list of boats.

But I also don't think there is just one giant list.... There may be several different lists across servers but all predetermined and set to encourage either the use of diamonds by hiring Tom or by speeding up products wrongly queued or speeding up jams taking too many hours to make......which is very insidious because I think it would be more fair to just let it be completely random....

That way, if we get boats like triple blackberry jam it's fine, I will just send it away, but I also want the possibility of having those easy three wheat boats too. Having a list to play the game to is nice for now since I communicate with my friends, but I don't think it should be predetermined to made to look random....

...going with the predetermined boat list theory, do you believe you'll start over on the same list once the end is reached? Will you get switched to a different server list? How many items in the list?

How do you speculate the list was created?

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Whether it is double orders on the same boat or consecutive boats the feelings of frustration is the same. Last night I had double orders of blue hats on two consecutive boats. (4x4)2 for the first boat then (5x4)2 for the second boat all for blue hats for a total of 72 hats each of which takes 51 minutes to make. Now, I know that blue hats aren't exactly a difficult item to find or produce but knowing that a simple change in algorithm could help alleviate these kinds of orders. Just adding more orders for crops would give us a chance to catch up and have a less stressful game experience. Yes, I know that I can cast off. One observation is that out of 10 consecutive boats I didn't have any orders for crops. Then on the 11th, 12th, and 13th boat I had 4x4 orders for cacao pods. I look at the DD and it is filled with crops for sale and very little variety for anything else. If the devs could add more crops in the boat order rotation it would solve two issues: 1) less chance of double orders for time consuming items, and 2) remove a lot of the excess crops for sale in the DD, thereby increasing the variety of items listed. I personally would love to see boat orders for strawberries, B&E, soybeans, pumpkins, and indigo and the elimination of any double order for any item.

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Excellent suggestion

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My friend and I are still on the same track. 4 boats exactly the same. Keeping going to track them and then I will be writing an email to customer service to let them have my opinion about it.


i would appreciate and encourage anyone who has experienced this to write on this thread:) would be helpful if it isn't just some freak coincidence. I never win the lottery anyway. If I did I wouldn't be playing this game. Ironic eh SC?

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The day before yesterday, Yesterday and today I had 5 consecutive boats that all needed apple jam.
1- apple jam, Popsicles, lavender
2- hamburgers, apple jam, carrot juice
3- apple jam, casserole, goat cheese
4- pancakes, apple jam, hats
5- apple jam, apple juice, casserole

It made me so mad...I didn't even finish one...as if I have that many apple jams after just purchasing the jam maker😢

Ouch! I'm not even going to attempt this one. This highlights the reason why the algorithm needs to be changed to prevent boat twins and triplecates.

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I think the fact that we had boat twins and now triplets (another friend also has the same boats from our boat 17-18.... there can't be any other explanation other than that there is a predetermined list of boats.

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So it's not possible that it looks at friends, recent transactions and boats being sent away the same 15, 30, 45, 60 minutes? I think it's a bit far fetched though but my GF seems to think it has to do with people being on your friends list as well...

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But I also don't think there is just one giant list.... There may be several different lists across servers but all predetermined and set to encourage either the use of diamonds by hiring Tom or by speeding up products wrongly queued or speeding up jams taking too many hours to make......which is very insidious because I think it would be more fair to just let it be completely random....

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Yes I think that is a likely candidate as well but it doesn't explain how it knows which one of your friends to generate the list for does it? How did your 3rd friend join in btw? I must have missed that.

But the whole 'diamonds' theory is rather obvious in my book. Just see how the treasure chests are populated, or when discounts are offered on diamonds. My GF and I were (at night) offered a discount on 5xx-something diamonds, she got 30% off, I got 15% price reduction. She is level 56 and I used her account to power-level my new account in 4 days to level 30+ which I was about two days ago. The question is though: did anyone else, perhaps people not in my friends list get a discount? And there are few more I haven't been able to put my finger on for the full 100% but at least seem able to fairly accurately be able to tell what the 'beggars' come for.
The whole 'beggars at the door' for the Samaritan quest line are rather predictable and easily utilized to ask for the stuff *you* want them to ask (up to certain stock levels, then it just seems to *really* want those 12 sirups or 10 ice-creams; but sending them away won't be so annoying if you keep crop/low-lvl pies down in volume it will in turn ask for those and also generate the message-board/asking for products related to items that come on the next boat-order quite sure).

Also Toms dreams seem to predict somewhat stuff they will be asking for (often items you don't have, if not always?)

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That way, if we get boats like triple blackberry jam it's fine, I will just send it away, but I also want the possibility of having those easy three wheat boats too. Having a list to play the game to is nice for now since I communicate with my friends, but I don't think it should be predetermined to made to look random....

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Oh, I was thinking "exploit"! But I guess nerfing works as well. Perhaps refactor/repair would be better words. The thing is, once you find the common entry point into the lists, you can also work with that so you know what you will get at what points and have a leapfrog-like system of tagteam building for someone elses boat in 3 turns. But I guess that wouldn't just automagically generate 3x crops on the boat order, if the lists have been predefined and this sequence is not in the collections (or very unlikely but we just seemed to rule out randomness/likeliness?)

both me and my friend have been having the exact same boat orders ever since i started playing months ago! :(