Rushed Town Halls and War Matches

Rushed Town Halls can really mess up a war match. Why not set some limitations to when you can upgrade a TH? For example, if you're TH9 you can't upgrade wizard towers to level 8 until you're TH10. Why not reverse that and say you cannot upgrade your Town Hall until you reach a certain number/level of defenses?

This idea was discussed in our clan chat after our most recent war match. If you look at clan tag #882VYYG2, checkout the player profile #JQ2UGCCO. This player was ranked lowest in the war match, but he was a TH10 with inferno towers and maxed troops. His other defenses were extremely low or not built, keeping his ranking extremely low. This player was matched against a low level TH8 in our clan.

Those that have rushed Towns Halls will not like a change like this, of that I'm almost certain. But I think setting peramiters around when you can upgrade a Town Hall will be extremely beneficial in the long run, especially for the serious players that get frustrated with uneven war matches.

My personal opinion about this subject is that every player gets to choose how he/she plays the game. If they want to rush their TH, then it is their own choice whether to do it or not, and SuperCell shouldn't intervene in this. I will be honest now, I rushed my th from TH8 to TH9, since I wanted the Queen. I must say I totally dominated at the beginning since I maxed my troops, so I can now say I would do it again every time if I'd have choice.
This being said, I am against this idea and I feel like players should be able to choose how they play at their free will.

Maybe it is up to an individual on whether or not they want to rush their TH, but by doing so it messes up war matches for clans without a doubt. I for one am tired of uneven matches happening because of rushed bases. Clans don't like rushed TH's....just look at COC Builder. Every other recruitment thread says "no rushed TH allowed". There is a reason why they don't want rushed players...

Exactly Flynnstone, serious clans don't like rushed THs. Our clan actually has a rule about not rushing your base, and I know many other clans do as well. I mean, how can a player have TH7 or 8 defenses but be a TH10? Whether you're in a clan or not, playing catch up eventually gets boring and/or frustrating and those players tend to be the ones that go inactive more often than not.

I've discussed this very same thing with clanmates. It's a tough call. You can't tell people how to play, but maybe the game should set a rule for who can participate in clan wars. For example, TH10 could have a minimum level of 100 to be eligible for clan wars. TH9 could have a min level of 85, and just go down the line from there. This would allow people to upgrade their base how they want to, but restrict war privileges for the extremely rushed bases. It would definitely help with war match ups.
And as for upgrading to TH9 just for a queen, I don't see how that could have worked out well for you devil9394. Maybe you dominated in single player matches and your war attacks, but I can't imagine that your base held up in wars too good. As it says in the tips when you log in - having a strong defense is just as important as strong attacking. If your enemy is always gaining 3 stars on your base during war because of weak defenses, thats not a win and that's why clans don't want rushed TH's.

People are free to do whatever they want to in this game
if it wasn't like that people won't like the game as much as now
but u, u can make restrictions in ur clan and don't accept rushed THs that would be ur solution ;)

This is probably the best idea for fixing the war match problem that I've heard. The only people that will give Supercell pushback for a change like this would be the ones that are very rushed. The simple fact is, rushed TH's ARE the problem when the game is trying to find a war match.
So here is some food for thought - look at it from a business standpoint. The serious players are probably the gem buyers (money makers) more often than not. These are typically the non rushed players that are frustrated over bad war matches. I'm not saying that a change should be made strictly to appease the ones that spend money, but it's certainly a realistic consideration.

Gem buyers are definitely a consideration, but that's not why I want the change. I just want a better playing experience. When my clan is evenly matched, the war is fun. Clan members are excited to play, even if we lose after a close call. But when we are out ranked by a ton because of an uneven match, it's bad because we knew we never stood a chance from the beginning. But I feel the same about a reversed situation - if we are paired up against a lower level clan, we get the win, but it isn't exciting. Everyone just goes through the routine motions of getting attacks done for the loot.

I know that not everyone will be happy, as people will complain about anything given the opportunity. But it seems to be the simplest solution to the problem, because rushed TH's are the biggest reason for bad war matches.

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Originally Posted by 716Wizard

Rushed Town Halls can really mess up a war match. Why not set some limitations to when you can upgrade a TH? For example, if you're TH9 you can't upgrade wizard towers to level 8 until you're TH10. Why not reverse that and say you cannot upgrade your Town Hall until you reach a certain number/level of defenses?

This idea was discussed in our clan chat after our most recent war match. If you look at clan tag #882VYYG2, checkout the player profile #JQ2UGCCO. This player was ranked lowest in the war match, but he was a TH10 with inferno towers and maxed troops. His other defenses were extremely low or not built, keeping his ranking extremely low. This player was matched against a low level TH8 in our clan.

Those that have rushed Towns Halls will not like a change like this, of that I'm almost certain. But I think setting peramiters around when you can upgrade a Town Hall will be extremely beneficial in the long run, especially for the serious players that get frustrated with uneven war matches.

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to be honest i don't mind the rushed bases, easy pickings and i get full loot, fact is if you play the game the way it was intended you upgrade faster, if you rush then you have to upgrade everything and you have less loot available to you so it takes longer

Problem: Rushed bases messing up war matchmaking.

Solution: DON'T EXCEPT RUSHED BASES IN THE FIRST PLACE!

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Originally Posted by Theking8133

Problem: Rushed bases messing up war matchmaking.

Solution: DON'T EXCEPT RUSHED BASES IN THE FIRST PLACE!

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Are you illiterate or just an idiot?

He's talking about his clan vs another clan. In his clan everyone has "average" bases. On the other team, their bottom player who is matched against a TH8, is a TH10 with really low defenses, to include not even building some of them, and MAX TROOPS.

At TH10 with 240 troops plus 35CC and Max Troops, and he is matched against TH8s, he's going to absolutely crush them. Thats what he's talking about.

I do not allow rushed bases in my clan, we have over 100 wins as a clan. However, we have seen it plenty of times that a rushed base, typically TH10s, tip the balance of war significantly. I loved playing as TH9 but had to upgrade to 10 just to have freeze spells because really ♥♥♥♥ty rushed players at TH10 were getting matched against me in war and we had no TH10 to fight them effectively.

Rushed bases are the problem regardless of how much you "like" their loot. Try reading the post before giving some garbage reply because you're an idiot.

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Originally Posted by LordKerensky

Are you illiterate or just an idiot?

He's talking about his clan vs another clan. In his clan everyone has "average" bases. On the other team, their bottom player who is matched against a TH8, is a TH10 with really low defenses, to include not even building some of them, and MAX TROOPS.

At TH10 with 240 troops plus 35CC and Max Troops, and he is matched against TH8s, he's going to absolutely crush them. Thats what he's talking about.

I do not allow rushed bases in my clan, we have over 100 wins as a clan. However, we have seen it plenty of times that a rushed base, typically TH10s, tip the balance of war significantly. I loved playing as TH9 but had to upgrade to 10 just to have freeze spells because really ♥♥♥♥ty rushed players at TH10 were getting matched against me in war and we had no TH10 to fight them effectively.

Rushed bases are the problem regardless of how much you "like" their loot. Try reading the post before giving some garbage reply because you're an idiot.

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Was it really necessary to go differently to an offensive comment? Too many people need to show respected this forum.

What would be the difference to the idea that he was able to take out even a th 9 with his troops. As a super rushed th 10 he would be able to be capped with a low level base. So would be 3 stars taken, as easy as he can take them.

Or are you arguing that he is able to take 6 stars while only being able to give 3 to opponent?

Almost all wars I have been in the matches are all won and lost by what the entire clan does. One base does not win a war.

What would you do about the millions of players that have already rushed?

you can just unpick them in wars,why post this? it's their strategy of making their base grow stronger,we cannot blame them.

We don't except rushed bases...that's not my problem. It's other clans that have rushed bases, and that's what is messing up the algorithm when the game is trying to find a match.

Rushed TH= Money in SC pockets
This will not happen

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Originally Posted by LordKerensky

Are you illiterate or just an idiot?

He's talking about his clan vs another clan. In his clan everyone has "average" bases. On the other team, their bottom player who is matched against a TH8, is a TH10 with really low defenses, to include not even building some of them, and MAX TROOPS.

At TH10 with 240 troops plus 35CC and Max Troops, and he is matched against TH8s, he's going to absolutely crush them. Thats what he's talking about.

I do not allow rushed bases in my clan, we have over 100 wins as a clan. However, we have seen it plenty of times that a rushed base, typically TH10s, tip the balance of war significantly. I loved playing as TH9 but had to upgrade to 10 just to have freeze spells because really ♥♥♥♥ty rushed players at TH10 were getting matched against me in war and we had no TH10 to fight them effectively.

Rushed bases are the problem regardless of how much you "like" their loot. Try reading the post before giving some garbage reply because you're an idiot.

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Woah. WAY to go TOTALLY offensive there. If you have rushed bases, it's going to put the bases your put up against much stronger. If he have rushed base, sure he gets a 3 star against HIS target, but then you 3 star there rushed bases easier since they have low level defenses. Besides, for someone with "100 wins", this CLEARLY isn't really affecting your wins, so why fix it when it doesn't seem to effect you.

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Originally Posted by Rahle

Was it really necessary to go differently to an offensive comment? Too many people need to show respected this forum.

What would be the difference to the idea that he was able to take out even a th 9 with his troops. As a super rushed th 10 he would be able to be capped with a low level base. So would be 3 stars taken, as easy as he can take them.

Or are you arguing that he is able to take 6 stars while only being able to give 3 to opponent?

Almost all wars I have been in the matches are all won and lost by what the entire clan does. One base does not win a war.

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You are right, one base does not win a war. However, it can mess up a match, making many of the bases that a clan is up against an uneven match.

These folks are gaming the system, DEAL WITH IT. There are several clans that play the system and have a few high townhalls with max troops and spells and have very weak defenses.

There shouldnt be a requirement for upgrading at a certain time. If I got clash today, starting from TH1 and wanted to gem all the way to TH10 I should be able to. Its my money, let me spend it how I want. Games get boring when you add guidelines dictating HOW people should play.

BOOM BEACH has a similar thing like this and it makes no sense. Must be a certain lvl to go to the next HQ lvl. Its lame IMO.

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Originally Posted by badfish1979

What would you do about the millions of players that have already rushed?

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Actually, someone named Hammerbow posted in this thread...he had a good idea/solution to that. He said the game should set a level requirement in order to be war eligible.

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Originally Posted by 716Wizard

Actually, someone named Hammerbow posted in this thread...he had a good idea/solution to that. He said the game should set a level requirement in order to be war eligible.

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But WHY, thats the question. I should not be limited simply because my level is low. Lvls mean absolute SQUAT in CoC and thats a fact. I could donate hundreds of thousands of troops at TH7 and be Lvl 150. What makes him more worthy than a Lvl 80 TH9? If youre good for your lvl and can be a threat with what you have being low, Im not gonna stop you from doing what you want

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Originally Posted by kingbeezy1988

But WHY, thats the question. I should not be limited simply because my level is low. Lvls mean absolute SQUAT in CoC and thats a fact. I could donate hundreds of thousands of troops at TH7 and be Lvl 150. What makes him more worthy than a Lvl 80 TH9? If youre good for your lvl and can be a threat with what you have being low, Im not gonna stop you from doing what you want

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The answer to WHY is to level the playing field. And as for being level 150 at TH7...that would never happen simply because of troop donations. Donations up your level, but not by that much. Let's be realistic here.

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Originally Posted by 716Wizard

The answer to WHY is to level the playing field. And as for being level 150 at TH7...that would never happen simply because of troop donations. Donations up your level, but not by that much. Let's be realistic here.

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BRO, Ive seen a Lvl 154 TH4 before. Almost 1 mil donations. Anything is possible, especially this, which makes you guys argument pointless and invalid. If folks game the system, so be it.

I just looked at the player in question. Quite frankly - a decent TH8 should be able to wipe that guy out. He has no more than 50 walls and other than the infernos has only 1 canon and the 2 heros for his total defense.

Offensively - yes he has all troops except pekkas but its level 1 mostly except loons and basic TH7 level troops. I'm guessing he lavalooned your bases as thats his only strength.

You could not have seriously lost the war due to this clown. Near the end of every war I have TH9s with a spare attack they could use on a base like this too. If you lost the war you lost for other reasons this this fool.

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Originally Posted by 716Wizard

The answer to WHY is to level the playing field. And as for being level 150 at TH7...that would never happen simply because of troop donations. Donations up your level, but not by that much. Let's be realistic here.

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Yeah - what King said below you - I have seen several TH7s and below with levels in the 130+ range. With like 500,000 donations.

To me - its dumb to give XP for donations. Just as dumb as no XP for building walls - as if it took you no effort to raid for those walls painfully.

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Originally Posted by gamul1

I just looked at the player in question. Quite frankly - a decent TH8 should be able to wipe that guy out. He has no more than 50 walls and other than the infernos has only 1 canon and the 2 heros for his total defense.

Offensively - yes he has all troops except pekkas but its level 1 mostly except loons and basic TH7 level troops. I'm guessing he lavalooned your bases as thats his only strength.

You could not have seriously lost the war due to this clown. Near the end of every war I have TH9s with a spare attack they could use on a base like this too. If you lost the war you lost for other reasons this this fool.

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Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my original post, but that particular player/clan was only one EXAMPLE of many. I am not complaining about a single war match, but several bad matches. Players like that do not singlehandedly cause a war loss or win, but they do throw off the match up for the entire clan.

716Wizard ...

I have read the full thread and understand the issue.

HOWEVER ...

There is nothing wrong with the algorithm matching clans, nor is there an issue with rushed bases. The algorithm takes the full sum of all base values and matches against a clan with a similar sum.

Your misconception is that "straight across bases are equal." For a war, you have to compare the total sum.

The solution may be as simple as modifying your war plan if your opponent has rushed bases throwing off the ladder, which you are assuming is linear. Just one of the challenges when selecting an appropriate war target!

And don't worry ... you aren't the first player to complain about an unfair matchup simply by looking straight across the aisle.

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Originally Posted by Uthrac

716Wizard ...

I have read the full thread and understand the issue.

HOWEVER ...

There is nothing wrong with the algorithm matching clans, nor is there an issue with rushed bases. The algorithm takes the full sum of all base values and matches against a clan with a similar sum.

Your misconception is that "straight across bases are equal." For a war, you have to compare the total sum.

The solution may be as simple as modifying your war plan if your opponent has rushed bases throwing off the ladder, which you are assuming is linear. Just one of the challenges when selecting an appropriate war target!

And don't worry ... you aren't the first player to complain about an unfair matchup simply by looking straight across the aisle.

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Either way, if I am not the first to complain, the issue needs to be looked at more closely by SuperCell for the sole reason that it DOES happen too often. Only they know the mathematical equation that determines how war matches are found. I only ask that if it is rushed Th's that are causing the problem, supercell take a look at addressing it.

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Originally Posted by 716Wizard

Rushed Town Halls can really mess up a war match. Why not set some limitations to when you can upgrade a TH? For example, if you're TH9 you can't upgrade wizard towers to level 8 until you're TH10. Why not reverse that and say you cannot upgrade your Town Hall until you reach a certain number/level of defenses?

This idea was discussed in our clan chat after our most recent war match. If you look at clan tag #882VYYG2, checkout the player profile #JQ2UGCCO. This player was ranked lowest in the war match, but he was a TH10 with inferno towers and maxed troops. His other defenses were extremely low or not built, keeping his ranking extremely low. This player was matched against a low level TH8 in our clan.

Those that have rushed Towns Halls will not like a change like this, of that I'm almost certain. But I think setting peramiters around when you can upgrade a Town Hall will be extremely beneficial in the long run, especially for the serious players that get frustrated with uneven war matches.

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This is probably one of the best ideas I've read tonight. I personally don't think players should be allowed to upgrade their TH until they reach a certain level of defenses. The problem is, I don't think Supercell would ever do it because they would tick off too many players. But i also think it might help get rid of some of the less active players that are getting bored because it's taking too long to play catch up.

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Originally Posted by Hammerbow

I've discussed this very same thing with clanmates. It's a tough call. You can't tell people how to play, but maybe the game should set a rule for who can participate in clan wars. For example, TH10 could have a minimum level of 100 to be eligible for clan wars. TH9 could have a min level of 85, and just go down the line from there. This would allow people to upgrade their base how they want to, but restrict war privileges for the extremely rushed bases. It would definitely help with war match ups.
And as for upgrading to TH9 just for a queen, I don't see how that could have worked out well for you devil9394. Maybe you dominated in single player matches and your war attacks, but I can't imagine that your base held up in wars too good. As it says in the tips when you log in - having a strong defense is just as important as strong attacking. If your enemy is always gaining 3 stars on your base during war because of weak defenses, thats not a win and that's why clans don't want rushed TH's.

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This is a good idea too. By doing this, it's not necessarily restricting a TH upgrade, but more like setting a minimum standard before you can. Players can choose how they want to reach that minimum level (donations, defense upgrades, etc).

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Originally Posted by LordKerensky

Are you illiterate or just an idiot?

He's talking about his clan vs another clan. In his clan everyone has "average" bases. On the other team, their bottom player who is matched against a TH8, is a TH10 with really low defenses, to include not even building some of them, and MAX TROOPS.

At TH10 with 240 troops plus 35CC and Max Troops, and he is matched against TH8s, he's going to absolutely crush them. Thats what he's talking about.

I do not allow rushed bases in my clan, we have over 100 wins as a clan. However, we have seen it plenty of times that a rushed base, typically TH10s, tip the balance of war significantly. I loved playing as TH9 but had to upgrade to 10 just to have freeze spells because really ♥♥♥♥ty rushed players at TH10 were getting matched against me in war and we had no TH10 to fight them effectively.

Rushed bases are the problem regardless of how much you "like" their loot. Try reading the post before giving some garbage reply because you're an idiot.

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No need to be condescending, but I agree with the majority of your post. Especially the end part. That's part of the reason why Supercell will have mad people on their hands. Too many people game the system for loot and various other reasons. This ruins it for the legit players.

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Originally Posted by devil9394

My personal opinion about this subject is that every player gets to choose how he/she plays the game. If they want to rush their TH, then it is their own choice whether to do it or not, and SuperCell shouldn't intervene in this. I will be honest now, I rushed my th from TH8 to TH9, since I wanted the Queen. I must say I totally dominated at the beginning since I maxed my troops, so I can now say I would do it again every time if I'd have choice.
This being said, I am against this idea and I feel like players should be able to choose how they play at their free will.

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You upgraded just for a queen? I think that's dumb. Not only did you get a loot penalty during individual raids, but your base probably performed poorly in wars. Why bother being part of a clan when it seems like you'd rather just play as an individual?

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Originally Posted by Honda323

You upgraded just for a queen? I think that's dumb. Not only did you get a loot penalty during individual raids, but your base probably performed poorly in wars. Why bother being part of a clan when it seems like you'd rather just play as an individual?

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Rushed bases typically are a team of one...they are hoppers more often than not...that's why most clans don't want them.

I love fighting rushed bases. As a maxed th8 its very easy to topple any of them and get solid loot bonuses. One of the reasons my clan seldom loses is because we don't take rushed bases to war

The solution is easy... instead of just enforcing a prerequisite, also have an XP/level requirement. So, if you're rushing to TH10 but you're only lvl 15 with so much XP, you should have to wait until you reach the appropriate level.

This isn't just to regulate rushing, but also makes sense. Apply it to a real-world scenario... say your "chief" is a young guy, he wouldn't have the knowledge and experience to know how to run a TH10 until he gets older and wiser.

Still no point for SUPERCELL to include a level requirement. Why are you folks tryin to implement something that aint needed.

I made a thread earlier about how levels mean absolutely NOTHING in this game. Whether you gem or get it legit, you still level up regardless. You shouldnt have to be a certain level to have certain things. If you want that then go to Boom Beach

I got the money and I want TH10, I can get it and I should be able to.

Thing about it is, how folks talk about the penalty for loot and such. Whats loot to a gemmer anyway? And SUPERCELL knows that rushers are there biggest money bringers.

the problem I see alot is that people ignore there collectors and upgrade ther th casuing us to find low loot in there bases when they go dead my opionion would be a minumum requirement of having max collectors so when they abadon they can give the max loot to the economy

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Originally Posted by Aluxtu

I love fighting rushed bases. As a maxed th8 its very easy to topple any of them and get solid loot bonuses. One of the reasons my clan seldom loses is because we don't take rushed bases to war

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I love playing single player matches against rushed TH's too...definitely good loot. However, that doesn't change the fact that they are bad for war match ups.

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Originally Posted by Turr

The solution is easy... instead of just enforcing a prerequisite, also have an XP/level requirement. So, if you're rushing to TH10 but you're only lvl 15 with so much XP, you should have to wait until you reach the appropriate level.

This isn't just to regulate rushing, but also makes sense. Apply it to a real-world scenario... say your "chief" is a young guy, he wouldn't have the knowledge and experience to know how to run a TH10 until he gets older and wiser.

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Agreed...regulating is definitely a necessity. You should be a certian level before you're able to upgrade TH.

No regulations are needed. The game itself tries to be balanced and players will always try to gain advantage the best they can. Why not force people to build x-bows the moment they hit TH9 so they can't employ the TH8.5 strategy? A rushed TH10 gains an attack advantage, but gives up all three stars to someone on the other team. Quite frankly it's very rare that someone is a rushed TH10 who doesn't have inferno towers which would make it extremely unlikely that they match to a TH8 due to the weighting of defensive scores.

Clans should have an attack strategy that allows for dealing with impossible match-ups. It's far more common to see an impossible matchup when the breakpoint from TH8 to TH7 is different between the warring clans.

By by far the biggest problems are caused by the players your own team selects to participate in war. Someone with strong TH10 defenses and only TH8 equivilent attack ability messes things up for everyone, not just themselves.

people will have their choice in how they play the game...

I rushed my town hall too since I was very excited to get the queen...I even have th5 lvl cannons before while having legowalls and everyone, specially the maxers were commenting how'd they crush my base...

anyway, to make it simple...everyone plays the game on how they chose it...

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Originally Posted by 716Wizard

Rushed Town Halls can really mess up a war match. Why not set some limitations to when you can upgrade a TH? For example, if you're TH9 you can't upgrade wizard towers to level 8 until you're TH10. Why not reverse that and say you cannot upgrade your Town Hall until you reach a certain number/level of defenses?

This idea was discussed in our clan chat after our most recent war match. If you look at clan tag #882VYYG2, checkout the player profile #JQ2UGCCO. This player was ranked lowest in the war match, but he was a TH10 with inferno towers and maxed troops. His other defenses were extremely low or not built, keeping his ranking extremely low. This player was matched against a low level TH8 in our clan.

Those that have rushed Towns Halls will not like a change like this, of that I'm almost certain. But I think setting peramiters around when you can upgrade a Town Hall will be extremely beneficial in the long run, especially for the serious players that get frustrated with uneven war matches.

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as my title says... :)

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Originally Posted by PvtLeeOwned

No regulations are needed. The game itself tries to be balanced and players will always try to gain advantage the best they can. Why not force people to build x-bows the moment they hit TH9 so they can't employ the TH8.5 strategy? A rushed TH10 gains an attack advantage, but gives up all three stars to someone on the other team. Quite frankly it's very rare that someone is a rushed TH10 who doesn't have inferno towers which would make it extremely unlikely that they match to a TH8 due to the weighting of defensive scores.

Clans should have an attack strategy that allows for dealing with impossible match-ups. It's far more common to see an impossible matchup when the breakpoint from TH8 to TH7 is different between the warring clans.

By by far the biggest problems are caused by the players your own team selects to participate in war. Someone with strong TH10 defenses and only TH8 equivilent attack ability messes things up for everyone, not just themselves.

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The simple fact of the matter is that unfair matches do happen, more often than not. And while I used that one example of the TH10 being paired with our TH8, I'll admit that that probably doesn't happen very often. What I do see more often is TH9's being matched up against TH10 (which is much more difficult than a TH8 going against a TH9). When a TH9 has to face a rushed TH10, the TH9 is not able to have a freeze spell, making a 3 star almost impossible because of inferno towers even with maxed TH9 troops.

My clan only has a about 7 TH8's, about 15 TH9's (6 of which are almost maxed defense), and 5 TH10's. The top ranking TH9's are very often paired with rushed TH10's. Our war strategy is to attack equal first, second is clean up. We may be able to change it up for unfair matches, but not when too many TH9's are going against TH10's. Doing this screws up any attacking chance for our lower level bases.

So while I can appreciate everyone's feedback on this post, I still think that the match system is broken. I've looked at it from so many angles, and the only way I can come up with to fix it is regulating when people can upgrade their TH.

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Originally Posted by 716Wizard

The simple fact of the matter is that unfair matches do happen, more often than not. And while I used that one example of the TH10 being paired with our TH8, I'll admit that that probably doesn't happen very often. What I do see more often is TH9's being matched up against TH10 (which is much more difficult than a TH8 going against a TH9). When a TH9 has to face a rushed TH10, the TH9 is not able to have a freeze spell, making a 3 star almost impossible because of inferno towers even with maxed TH9 troops.

My clan only has a about 7 TH8's, about 15 TH9's (6 of which are almost maxed defense), and 5 TH10's. The top ranking TH9's are very often paired with rushed TH10's. Our war strategy is to attack equal first, second is clean up. We may be able to change it up for unfair matches, but not when too many TH9's are going against TH10's. Doing this screws up any attacking chance for our lower level bases.

So while I can appreciate everyone's feedback on this post, I still think that the match system is broken. I've looked at it from so many angles, and the only way I can come up with to fix it is regulating when people can upgrade their TH.

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The match making system is broken in clan wars because nobody wants to wait hours to find a clan to war against. When you start clan war search, it searches for an equal sized clan with roughly the same strength as your clan. This has nothing to do with town hall levels. It also isn't going to search for a long time. I think 15 minutes is the average?

Yes, it will be hard for TH9s to 3-star TH10s. Make sure your super lower guys are getting 3-stars and you should be able to win.

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Originally Posted by sungirl

The match making system is broken in clan wars because nobody wants to wait hours to find a clan to war against. When you start clan war search, it searches for an equal sized clan with roughly the same strength as your clan. This has nothing to do with town hall levels. It also isn't going to search for a long time. I think 15 minutes is the average?

Yes, it will be hard for TH9s to 3-star TH10s. Make sure your super lower guys are getting 3-stars and you should be able to win.

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I've had a search go as long as 45 minutes...it goes until it finds one. If it can't find one, the search expands on options. It could go in your favor, just as easily as it can go against you when that happens.

This is a very interesting question, certainly.

In my clan, we have two sorts of rushed bases. One sort belongs to kids with parents who give them money to buy gems to upgrade in an unbalanced way. Typically they have King and Queen, nearly all troop types, and nearly nothing very far upgraded. Universally, they also have very poor attacking skill, and I don't let them in wars.

Also are second accounts by experienced, adult, high level players. These accounts are used for fun, or also for high level troop donations. They will have selected troops far or completely upgraded, other troops neglected, and very underdeveloped buildings, defences and walls.

These two types of rushed bases are probably assessed very similarly by the COC algorithms, which works well for defensive ranking, but the two cases perform very very differently in attacks. One is incompetent, the other skilled.


I believe, but don't know for sure, and would love to know, that war ranking mostly takes into account the number and levels of buildings and walls. It seems to not take into account offensive capability in clan ranking, but does it take it into account for matching? I am pretty sure that skill (or its proxy, past win records) is not included.

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Actually, someone named Hammerbow posted in this thread...he had a good idea/solution to that. He said the game should set a level requirement in order to be war eligible.

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But the point of your thread is that you're saying rushed bases have an advantage in war matchups.

Level restrictions would do nothing to stop this, because levels can be gained from things besides structure upgrades. Donations, goblin maps, achievements, etc.

For example, if someone wanted to exploit this system, they could simply join a donation clan for a period of time or go donation hopping until they reached the level required to be eligible for war.

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But the point of your thread is that you're saying rushed bases have an advantage in war matchups.

Level restrictions would do nothing to stop this, because levels can be gained from things besides structure upgrades. Donations, goblin maps, achievements, etc.

For example, if someone wanted to exploit this system, they could simply join a donation clan for a period of time or go donation hopping until they reached the level required to be eligible for war.

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What im saying is that rushed TH's mess up war matches, regardless of who the match is favored towards. As for Hammerbows post about level restrictions, maybe Supercell should reevaluate what we get XP for. For example, we receive no XP for wall upgrades, yet it's a structure upgrade in my eyes so we should. I don't see the point in getting XP for troop donations, especially since war castle donations do not count for troops donated. That system alone is messed up.
But either way, the amount of people that would actually exploit the system by joining a donation clan just to rush a town hall would probably be minimal. There will always be some people that try to game the system, but I think putting some sort of regulations around when you can upgrade the TH will minimize the amount of rushed bases out there. And as a result, more accurate war matches will be found.

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Gem buyers are definitely a consideration, but that's not why I want the change. I just want a better playing experience. When my clan is evenly matched, the war is fun. Clan members are excited to play, even if we lose after a close call. But when we are out ranked by a ton because of an uneven match, it's bad because we knew we never stood a chance from the beginning. But I feel the same about a reversed situation - if we are paired up against a lower level clan, we get the win, but it isn't exciting. Everyone just goes through the routine motions of getting attacks done for the loot.

I know that not everyone will be happy, as people will complain about anything given the opportunity. But it seems to be the simplest solution to the problem, because rushed TH's are the biggest reason for bad war matches.

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I hear ya.

In a mixed clan with lots of rushers, we lose more than we win, which is to be expected.

BUT how is it, that with...

3 maxed bases for their town hall levels, 3 moderately strong ones (th9-10 with a mix of th8-10 defenses but still tend to take a few attacks to three-star, if the opponents aren't pros, haha), 5 nonrushed but new, and the rest very weak and playing catchup....

in a 20v20 or 25v25 war, our level 3 clan is consistently matched with a level four/five clan of all non-rushers with difficult bases? Our clan has 31 war wins and was most recently matched with a clan that has 81 war wins. They had an almost perfect war, and it was the first time we got less than the 60% of available stars. So even WITH the new xp, and eventual perks, ppl don't want to waste resources for two huge armies when they know going in, that they haven't got a chance.

For us, one in the last ten wars was a clan one level below us, one was the same level, and 8 were higher than us. This isn't the "average" 25% easy, 50% even, 25% too hard matchups that I've heard ppl. talk about as being their experience.

In multiplayer, at least I have the option to "next" when my new th9 with level five troops runs into a maxed 9-10 base farming in my league. Why not for clans? Why not use this new clan level in matchmaking, instead of primarily th? Because clearly, our defenses and troops don't measure up. In terms of numbers of each town hall, they did. (In this case, too, the total clan "points" Supercell calculated said we weren't far behind. HAHAhaha...right.) I don't get it.

***Not every th10 has to play in Champs/Titans. Should be similar for clans-can't there be two or three "leagues" for wars, too? Some for more competitive matchups, some for more fun/recreational ones? (The only ones I can see who might object are those clans who do enjoy steamrolling weak ones to add another easy win to their record.)

COC buisness model revolves around purchasing gems to help upgrade and gain resources. The reason this won't be changed is because it would hurt supercells profits. They rely on users to be impatience and purchase gems to complete upgrades m

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Our war strategy is to attack equal first, second is clean up.

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The clan as a whole is matched against the other clan as a whole.

You could make a very slight modification to your war rules to address the issue, rather than requesting an overhaul of the matchmaking system.

War strategy is to attack a TH same level as yours. Second is clean up.

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The clan as a whole is matched against the other clan as a whole.

You could make a very slight modification to your war rules to address the issue, rather than requesting an overhaul of the matchmaking system.

War strategy is to attack a TH same level as yours. Second is clean up.

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Easier said than done...we only use that system because quite often our number 1 can't take the opposing clans number 5 in a 20vs20 war (and our number one guy is definitely not a rushed base). It's almost as if the system is modeled around a 50 player clan. When your war size average is 20, attacking anyone other than your equal ends up messing up any chance the lower people have at attacking. We are just average players, buy minimal gems, and upgrade by actually playing the game. Wars are hard when we are paired up against bases that should be in the Champion league.

The war matching algorithm is pretty good. There is little problem with rushed bases, at least when it is a second account of an experienced player that is rushed.

the only problem is with a based rushed well ahead of the player's skill. These players are nearly as bad as no-shows during war. The solution is to not let them into wars.

My clan tag is #8G08PJJ0. Recently we were paired against these clans in back to back wars: #882VYYG2 (25vs25 war) and #2C9R8RPL (20vs20 war). Take a look at the top 10 in those 2 clans vs my clan, then tell me that there is nothing wrong with the match system.

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The war matching algorithm is pretty good. There is little problem with rushed bases, at least when it is a second account of an experienced player that is rushed.

the only problem is with a based rushed well ahead of the player's skill. These players are nearly as bad as no-shows during war. The solution is to not let them into wars.

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My clan does not let them in wars, but that's not the case with other clans. Too many clans game the system by including a couple of rushed bases to bring down their rankings and create an unfair match.

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My clan tag is #8G08PJJ0. Recently we were paired against these clans in back to back wars: #882VYYG2 (25vs25 war) and #2C9R8RPL (20vs20 war). Take a look at the top 10 in those 2 clans vs my clan, then tell me that there is nothing wrong with the match system.

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I see them, but it is tedious to work out what you want to show, it being hard to look at details side by side without taking lots of screenshots.

Matching takes into account more than the strength of the top players, although yes, these are very important.

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My clan does not let them in wars, but that's not the case with other clans. Too many clans game the system by including a couple of rushed bases to bring down their rankings and create an unfair match.

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That is not my experience. Perhaps some definitions would help.

What is a "rushed base"? I take it to mean a base with high TH and some high level buildings, but many things left behind or even unbuilt, and many troops not researched to high level.

It was my impression, having included and not includes a few of these that a rushed based is ranked high, as if ranking looked more at the highest level defences, less at the average level defences. I saw them ranked high, saw them easily three-starred by the enemy attacking obvious weaknesses.

In most cases, the rushed town hall was a kid gemmer without skill. Obviously bad for our side.

In one case where the rushed base was an alt account of a strong player, he played the limited selection of strong troops wells, in a way that looked proportional to the high ranking of his rushed base.

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I see them, but it is tedious to work out what you want to show, it being hard to look at details side by side without taking lots of screenshots.

Matching takes into account more than the strength of the top players, although yes, these are very important.

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Thank you you for taking the time to look...I understand it's difficult to go back and forth. Bottom line, I know the system looks at more than just the top players. It's supposed to be an overall average. But when your war size is 20vs20, and the opposing clans top 10 severely out rank your top 10, you don't have a fighting chance at a win.

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That is not my experience. Perhaps some definitions would help.

What is a "rushed base"? I take it to mean a base with high TH and some high level buildings, but many things left behind or even unbuilt, and many troops not researched to high level.

It was my impression, having included and not includes a few of these that a rushed based is ranked high, as if ranking looked more at the highest level defences, less at the average level defences. I saw them ranked high, saw them easily three-starred by the enemy attacking obvious weaknesses.

In most cases, the rushed town hall was a kid gemmer without skill. Obviously bad for our side.

In one case where the rushed base was an alt account of a strong player, he played the limited selection of strong troops wells, in a way that looked proportional to the high ranking of his rushed base.

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My definition of a rushed base is a high TH with low defenses and low troop levels. However, what I have been seeing in wars is high TH's with low defenses, but maxed troops. If you look at my original post, there is an example of a very extreme case. I see similar things like that quite often, but not quite as bad as that. What I see more often than not is rushed TH10's with inferno towers and maxed troops that get paired up with our near maxed TH9's. The inferno towers make it almost impossible for our TH9's to get 3 stars, or lucky to even get 2 stars.

Since rushed TH10's with inferno towers are what I see the most, I think there needs to be some sort of guideline as to when a player is allowed to upgrade to that TH. Doing this will make bases more even across the board in the long run.

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What I see more often than not is rushed TH10's with inferno towers and maxed troops that get paired up with our near maxed TH9's. The inferno towers make it almost impossible for our TH9's to get 3 stars, or lucky to even get 2 stars.

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Try GoHo attacks.

As i know the color of TH does not matter in clan war matching, only defenses/troop level, if i'm correct, then i don't see the problem with any player even that one maxing his troop and keeping defenses low, everything is considered by the matching system

I think most are missing the point of the original post. It was not simply about rushers, but about individuals trying to skew war match ups in their favor. They create bases with zero defensive capabilities except for the original lvl 1 cannon they get from tutorial. They only upgrade offenses. They can easily be beaten by a th7, but they are capable of 3 starring most th9's. The result is trading 3 stars in the bottom of clan for winning 6 stars high up. Their total assets for war matchmaking are low due to the lack of defense and they are ranked with th7's.

we are starting to see this more and more frequently- last war had 2 such bases, both with max troops! Hopefully, Supercell is on this issue as it creates unfairness in wars. A good solution may be to require all defensive buildings be bought before upgrading to next th level, or giving more weight to "max" troops and heroes in matchmaking.

The 'better' of the 2 in our last war 3 starred with golavaloon our two top th9's (both max defenses, just working on walls and heroes), but a th7 used all archers to 3 star him! :unsure:

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giving more weight to "max" troops and heroes in matchmaking.

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This would address the issue. Needs to value offensive capability more.

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last war had 2 such bases

but a th7 used all archers to 3 star him! :unsure:

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Send clan mail:

Dear Clan, We got an unfair matchup. Do not waste resources trying to win this war. Barch the bottom two bases for loot. We will declare again in 48 hours.

Yes, SuperCell should address the core issue. In the meantime, make the best of the situation.

I can't say the 2 bases using the tactic caused us an unfair matchup that lost war. It was close, they were skilled players, and we never give up. But, we have seen 3 clans in last month with bases like that. Seems to be a new way for clans to try to get an edge on opponent.

Just want to make sure Supercell hears it voiced on forum so they can look into it and see if it needs addressed!

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I think most are missing the point of the original post. It was not simply about rushers, but about individuals trying to skew war match ups in their favor. They create bases with zero defensive capabilities except for the original lvl 1 cannon they get from tutorial. They only upgrade offenses. They can easily be beaten by a th7, but they are capable of 3 starring most th9's. The result is trading 3 stars in the bottom of clan for winning 6 stars high up. Their total assets for war matchmaking are low due to the lack of defense and they are ranked with th7's.

we are starting to see this more and more frequently- last war had 2 such bases, both with max troops! Hopefully, Supercell is on this issue as it creates unfairness in wars. A good solution may be to require all defensive buildings be bought before upgrading to next th level, or giving more weight to "max" troops and heroes in matchmaking.

The 'better' of the 2 in our last war 3 starred with golavaloon our two top th9's (both max defenses, just working on walls and heroes), but a th7 used all archers to 3 star him! :unsure:

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Thank you! It's about time somebody understood the point of my original post! Lol

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Send clan mail:

Dear Clan, We got an unfair matchup. Do not waste resources trying to win this war. Barch the bottom two bases for loot. We will declare again in 48 hours.

Yes, SuperCell should address the core issue. In the meantime, make the best of the situation.

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We are trying to make the best of the situation...I originally messaged Supercell directly in the game, and they directed me to here. The purpose of the post was to hopefully get Supercell to look at this issue.

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I think most are missing the point of the original post. It was not simply about rushers, but about individuals trying to skew war match ups in their favor. They create bases with zero defensive capabilities except for the original lvl 1 cannon they get from tutorial. They only upgrade offenses. They can easily be beaten by a th7, but they are capable of 3 starring most th9's. The result is trading 3 stars in the bottom of clan for winning 6 stars high up. Their total assets for war matchmaking are low due to the lack of defense and they are ranked with th7's.

we are starting to see this more and more frequently- last war had 2 such bases, both with max troops! Hopefully, Supercell is on this issue as it creates unfairness in wars. A good solution may be to require all defensive buildings be bought before upgrading to next th level, or giving more weight to "max" troops and heroes in matchmaking.

The 'better' of the 2 in our last war 3 starred with golavaloon our two top th9's (both max defenses, just working on walls and heroes), but a th7 used all archers to 3 star him! :unsure:

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This is just some people thinking harder than others. You can't tell people how to play the game or SC looses money. Also this is a war game, wars are all about strategies and advantages.

Rushed basses dont screw the match making they have .5 th mb they get 3 stared or 2 but they can easily do the same + 1 base is not ganna make a huge mm search

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Send clan mail:

Dear Clan, We got an unfair matchup. Do not waste resources trying to win this war. Barch the bottom two bases for loot. We will declare again in 48 hours.

Yes, SuperCell should address the core issue. In the meantime, make the best of the situation.

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We dont give up on wars, especially because we have to wait 48 hours to start a new one and we have a war schedule that we stick to.

That is what we're talking about. These bottom max offense bases give up 3 star, sure, but can clean up top 10 bases. Should they have that low ranking? Their #38 was a th7 and ranked above the bottom 2 which were th10's. It's a 3 star loss /6star win trade for each of those two bases. If you only got 1 attack in war it wouldn't bother me, but 2 attacks makes it an unfair trade based on current matchmaking algorithm.

Maybe people won't understand until they actually see it, but these bases have absolutely no defensive buildings except for the lvl 1 cannon they got automatically when they started game. I guess you could consider the lvl 30+ heroes and lvl 6 cc's defenses, but they have those for different purposes - not protecting their warbase!

sure, it's people thinking 'outside the box' and people should be able to play the way they want, but it is creating unfair advantage in war and ultimately will make wars less enjoyable and less popular.

It's becoming more common and it's a direction I surely don't want to see the game go. What fun will raiding in multiplayer be when every other base has no defense and you can barb horde on every raid. Game will become pretty dull!

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sure, it's people thinking 'outside the box' and people should be able to play the way they want, but it is creating unfair advantage in war and ultimately will make wars less enjoyable and less popular.

It's becoming more common and it's a direction I surely don't want to see the game go.

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It is definitely creating unbalanced war matches, that's for sure. If Supercell does not want to put restrictions on when people can upgrade TH's, then they really need to change how offenses are weighed. More XP should be given for troop upgrades, and XP should also be given for walls. Ultimately, I still think rushed bases are the problem, but possibly changing the way XP is given may help the situation a bit.

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That is what we're talking about. These bottom max offense bases give up 3 star, sure, but can clean up top 10 bases. Should they have that low ranking? Their #38 was a th7 and ranked above the bottom 2 which were th10's. It's a 3 star loss /6star win trade for each of those two bases. If you only got 1 attack in war it wouldn't bother me, but 2 attacks makes it an unfair trade based on current matchmaking algorithm.

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That is exactly what happened to us, a few times actually. Except with my clan, it was either a 20vs20 or a 25vs25 war. Smaller wars have less stars to be gained, so in our situations, recovery was even harder. The Th10 that was ranked low managed to get 6 stars on our higher level bases, and we just gained 3.

Clan tag #882VYYG2, player profile #JQ2UGCCO.

The base looks like a joke, but look at the troop levels and his XP.

No. I think some players like to rush. Why take away their fun? Besides, I have a simple solution: don't let people with rushed bases be in war. Or, if you think people in your clan with rushed bases are annoying, then kick them out. Solution man is here!

Guys, not accepting rushers wont help if the other clan has rushers!

I checked out the base, if i was matched against him i woud 3* easily but he 6*s easily. RIDICULOUS!

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No. I think some players like to rush. Why take away their fun? Besides, I have a simple solution: don't let people with rushed bases be in war. Or, if you think people in your clan with rushed bases are annoying, then kick them out. Solution man is here!

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Not accepting rushed bases will not help if our opposing clan has them.

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I checked out the base, if i was matched against him i woud 3* easily but he 6*s easily. RIDICULOUS!

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Yep...he's definitely and easy three star, but he also gained 6 stars on our higher level bases because of his maxed troops.

Wizard, that still not quite the same degree as the bases I am referring to.

for everyone thinking we are talking about those rushing due to impatience, check this: clan #RGPQGRO, player is "sleep dragon" (#L89Q02V8). This guy had a th7 ranked ahead of him in war. He golavalooned our #6 and #8, both th9's with max defenses, for 3 stars on each. His collective assets, as far as war match was concerned, ranked him below th7's.

Currently looks like he is getting ready to golavaloon someone else in another war! Lol

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Wizard, that still not quite the same degree as the bases I am referring to.

for everyone thinking we are talking about those rushing due to impatience, check this: clan #RGPQGRO, player is "sleep dragon" (#L89Q02V8). This guy had a th7 ranked ahead of him in war. He golavalooned our #6 and #8, both th9's with max defenses, for 3 stars on each. His collective assets, as far as war match was concerned, ranked him below th7's.

Currently looks like he is getting ready to golavaloon someone else in another war! Lol

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I just checked him out...and you're right. It looks like he's about to golavaloon someone. Lol. He's another example of similar bases I've seen. Some cases are more extreme than others. I was only able to mention the one base in my original post because the war log details didn't go back far enough for me to document all cases easily. But trust me...im watching it more closely now. Bottom line is that this is becoming a regular occurrence I think...we've been seeing it happen in about one in every four to five wars, whereas it used to be only once in a great while.

Same thing just happened to a friend of mine...his clan was up against the GTR clan. Rushed TH's messed up the match.

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It is definitely creating unbalanced war matches, that's for sure. If Supercell does not want to put restrictions on when people can upgrade TH's, then they really need to change how offenses are weighed. More XP should be given for troop upgrades, and XP should also be given for walls. Ultimately, I still think rushed bases are the problem, but possibly changing the way XP is given may help the situation a bit.

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Increasing the weight of offense to the point that it would offset those "defenseless" players you're talking about might punish players that max their lab before moving up, while opening the way for yet another method of gaming the system: only upgrading troops and spells for one army composition while leaving all others at level 1.

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Increasing the weight of offense to the point that it would offset those "defenseless" players you're talking about might punish players that max their lab before moving up, while opening the way for yet another method of gaming the system: only upgrading troops and spells for one army composition while leaving all others at level 1.

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This may be a possibility, but not if the defenses and offenses are balanced correctly. By that I mean, receiving XP for donations should simply go away. Players should get more XP for offensive troop strength, and receive XP for wall upgrades.

Doing this may balance out the match a little better, however I still feel that extremely rushed TH's are the biggest part of the problem.

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This may be a possibility, but not if the defenses and offenses are balanced correctly. By that I mean, receiving XP for donations should simply go away. Players should get more XP for offensive troop strength, and receive XP for wall upgrades.

Doing this may balance out the match a little better, however I still feel that extremely rushed TH's are the biggest part of the problem.

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It seems to me that if you want to force rushed players to be ranked higher because of their town hall level, the simple solution would be to weight the town hall building itself in war matchmaking rather than a complete overhaul of the matchmaking system itself. Since experience level has nothing to do with matchmaking but upgrade levels have everything to do with it - not to mention the fact that you'd have to deal with the millions of people's levels are already based on how many donations they have. What would you do, reduce every single person's current level in the game after removing donation experience?

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It seems to me that if you want to force rushed players to be ranked higher because of their town hall level, the simple solution would be to weight the town hall building itself in war matchmaking rather than a complete overhaul of the matchmaking system itself. Since experience level has nothing to do with matchmaking but upgrade levels have everything to do with it - not to mention the fact that you'd have to deal with the millions of people's levels are already based on how many donations they have. What would you do, reduce every single person's current level in the game after removing donation experience?

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Im not sure what the right way to go about it would be...it would definitely have to be a gradual thing. Maybe you're right...weighing the TH level heavier might be the easiest solution to the problem.

Supercell makes money off of those who rush their town halls.
A majority of those who rush usually are little kids who use their parents debt cards for gems, or others who
are simply impatient and just use money as a substitute for hard work.

Great idea, but alas, the world is ran on money.

Clash On

-SirTempo

Rushed town halls are easy to 3 star. I still don't see your problem.

It is a strategy game so its up to the player if he/she wants to rush th. Rushing th has up and down sides. Rush th has better attack less def. Max bases have this both. So it is an option for the player. And some point, feeder clan used rush th to beat top opponents for pushing clan perks but that was there strategy which my overcome by a good clan and a better strategy. Which means this is not a big deal its a part of strategy game. Peace out

Types of Rushed bases;

1) The Kids - TH10 with defenses 2 levels down and offense (troops) 2 levels down
2) The Troll - Th10 with defenses at the minimum level and troops at level 1
3) The Attack/Donator - TH10 with def few levels below the th but Offense is at max
4) The Defender - TH10 with almost max to max defense but offense is below the th level

for 1 and 2 OPT/KICK them - for 3 OPT them and let them donate for war offense - for 4 youll be the judge

in my own experience if you have 1-2 rushed base (atleast not on the top brass) it will still be ok since your max level clannies may attack what he cant and most of the time the match still balance the other team by say your th8 is matched with a th7 etc.

When you try to upgrade a TH there is a warning about what changes might occur and how it will affect gameplay for you... If you don't want to listen then that's your own fault. Sit out of clan wars until you are caught up but don't punish smarter/discipline players by forcing bad players to play smart.

Once again....people are missing the point of this thread. This is not about rushed TH's in my clan - we do not have them. It's about deliberate rushed TH10's with maxed offenses, and how they mess up the war match.

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When you try to upgrade a TH there is a warning about what changes might occur and how it will affect gameplay for you... If you don't want to listen then that's your own fault. Sit out of clan wars until you are caught up but don't punish smarter/discipline players by forcing bad players to play smart.

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I am talking about rushed players messing up war matching for the smarter players. Read the whole thread, or at least the original post.

Unfortunately, I think we are going to see a bunch of rushed TH8s and TH9s. The summer 2015 update made this possible. TH7s are going to rush to 8 to get the Dark spell factory. And I can see TH8s rushing to 9 for the queen xbows, and the second sweeper. Since TH8s in lower clans are attacked by Dragons in war, I can foresee people wanting the second sweeper and fourth Air Defense, but that's just my prediction for the next few months

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Unfortunately, I think we are going to see a bunch of rushed TH8s and TH9s. The summer 2015 update made this possible. TH7s are going to rush to 8 to get the Dark spell factory. And I can see TH8s rushing to 9 for the queen xbows, and the second sweeper. Since TH8s in lower clans are attacked by Dragons in war, I can foresee people wanting the second sweeper and fourth Air Defense, but that's just my prediction for the next few months

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This is why offenses should be weighted a little more heavily. If these rushed bases end up with max troops, the entire war match gets thrown off.

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Once again....people are missing the point of this thread. This is not about rushed TH's in my clan - we do not have them. It's about deliberate rushed TH10's with maxed offenses, and how they mess up the war match.

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Wow you're an idiot.

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I am talking about rushed players messing up war matching for the smarter players. Read the whole thread, or at least the original post.

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So don't max, if you think a method to play the game is better why not use it instead of having it removed?

I like my stretegicly rushed base as well as my defenseless one. Its a lot of fun to see a swarm of barbs attack me only to get swatted down by a swing of the valk in the cc.
Figuring out our clan has a mix of rushed and maxed bases has set us up nicely in cw. We get to play the game anyway we like which is nice. Learn how the system works and use it to your advantage.
This game is about strategy. If your strategy isnt working develop a new one. When SC updates the game we all have to adjust.
Modify adapt and overcome!

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Wow you're an idiot.

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This was not necessary, especially since you are missing the point of this post.

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Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit

I like my stretegicly rushed base as well as my defenseless one. Its a lot of fun to see a swarm of barbs attack me only to get swatted down by a swing of the valk in the cc.
Figuring out our clan has a mix of rushed and maxed bases has set us up nicely in cw. We get to play the game anyway we like which is nice. Learn how the system works and use it to your advantage.
This game is about strategy. If your strategy isnt working develop a new one. When SC updates the game we all have to adjust.
Modify adapt and overcome!

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Im not referring to slightly rushed bases, but extreme ones. Please look up the clan and player that I listed in my original post, as well as other ideas listed in this thread, to fully understand what I am talking about.