Is Barch Dead?

Thought I'd hit a bit of a rough patch as I continued my normal barching today. Same army, same strategies, but I noticed I was losing a lot more. Where I used to be able to win at least 9 out of 10, I was losing much more frequently. Then I remembered the nerf on barch by increasing the building HP. Sure, you can still win some, but it certainly isn't as easy.

My solution is to add some dps into my barch, with 3-5 wizards, or add some heal spells.

Are you seeing the same results? What's your solution?

Yes, barch is dead. 90% of my clan including me have stopped using barch and started using garch with goblins and wall breakers or loonion for farming. I believe all archers is still viable for pushing though, because archers now have a much higher firerate, shooting arrows 50% faster.

I havn't noticed a difference...what buildings did they add hp too?

No, not at all. It has been highly over exaggerated and blown out of proportion. Those who think it is dead probably werent able to raid active bases with is in the first place. :facepalm:

No barch isn't dead... People are just over exaggerating. Barch is still a good strategy but it's not as effective now due to hp increase (in my opinion).

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Originally Posted by Overdose44

I havn't noticed a difference...what buildings did they add hp too?

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All of them.

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Originally Posted by TheSixthBuilder

Yes, barch is dead. 90% of my clan including me have stopped using barch and started using garch with goblins and wall breakers or loonion for farming. I believe all archers is still viable for pushing though, because archers now have a much higher firerate, shooting arrows 50% faster.

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Thanks. I thought the archers looked like they were shooting a lot faster too. I think part of it was the wallbreaker AI, which is seems today's maintenance changed back. I was getting a lot of my barch stuck on walls and wiped out by mortars, which didn't happen as much pre-update.

I'm adding a handful of wizards and bringing a hog for deep cc luring.

I also tried dropping way down in trophies but it's brutal down in silver. I'm a 9 about 1/3 of the way through and all I'm seeing is either poor 8's or maxed 9s and strong 10s. I never even bother with a base that has infernos.

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Originally Posted by TheJ

No, not at all. It has been highly over exaggerated and blown out of proportion. Those who think it is dead probably werent able to raid active bases with is in the first place. :facepalm:

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Agreed

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Im Th9 in Silver 2 and I can say that barch is still working.

I never really liked barch but decided to do a boost session pre and post update. The day before: loot was CRAZY. The day after, not even a good collector raid. Since IMO that was all that barch was good for, I would say its much lesss viable than before.

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Originally Posted by BloodCrimson

I never really liked barch but decided to do a boost session pre and post update. The day before: loot was CRAZY. The day after, not even a good collector raid. Since IMO that was all that barch was good for, I would say its much lesss viable than before.

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Determining whether or not Barch is effective, especially on the day after the update doesn't work...It's a feeding frenzy right now, so give it a week or so and things will go back to normal.

Just farmed 4 million of each in two hours. I had no problem 50% bases. If you are having trouble winning raids place your troops more strategically. Whenever I have trouble winning raids its because I didnt effectively place troops and rushed my attack (I dont just circle my troops around a base). Im a th9 by the way.

No. You just can't push with it, barch will always be there for farming.

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Originally Posted by plaverty24

I'm a 9 about 1/3 of the way through and all I'm seeing is either poor 8's or maxed 9s and strong 10s. I never even bother with a base that has infernos.

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You're missing out on good loot if you skip a base having Infernos. I haven't used Barch since TH5, deciding to learn the higher end army strategies. Yes, you use Barch against a 9 that's anything but a glorified 8, you may run into an issue. Heck, I love seeing someone attack my base with a Barch army. Clean up the outside, give a shield and take minimal loot. Almost as good as being sniped! :-D

Change your army. Weak walled inferno bases can be looted by a decent armored and mobile army. Same to take on a decent 9. Time to learn the game.

Or, stay simplistic and pass by my 400,000 + loot ( combined) and 1500 DE ( usually more)

No! Barch isn't dead! But if they were to be squashed under a mortar fireball, it would of course be a different matter...

Not dead but the profit margins have gone down.. U'll have to use baaaaaaarch if you want some decent profits!

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Originally Posted by HFlashman

Time to learn the game.

Or, stay simplistic and pass by my 400,000 + loot ( combined) and 1500 DE ( usually more)

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Time to learn the game? ♥♥♥. What makes you think I don't know how to play the game? You're saying it makes sense to use a gowipe or gowiwi for farming? Seriously? You're an idiot.

And you're impressed with 400k? Really? That's my minimum. If that's what you're happy with, I'm guessing you're a TH7 or something, noob.

Nothing it changed imo

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Originally Posted by plaverty24

Time to learn the game? ♥♥♥. What makes you think I don't know how to play the game? You're saying it makes sense to use a gowipe or gowiwi for farming? Seriously? You're an idiot.

And you're impressed with 400k? Really? That's my minimum. If that's what you're happy with, I'm guessing you're a TH7 or something, noob.

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Dude...let me point out a few items fer ya's so others may decide.

What makes me think low of your game skills? Your comments as OP concerning relying on barch and passing advanced bases; your instant nesting on any base with Infernos, and your comments stating Gowipe or gowiwi were mobile armor armies ( note...I never stated either of those two as mobile armored) and your reply overall.

Mobile armored armies to take on infernos as a 9.
Again, I never said I was impressed with 400 k... I stated you would pass it up implying because the base was beyond your ability to take down. (See previous comments on your knowing the game strategies.)

Finally...your comments concerning my base....ummmm...given the levels of your clan and members, I'd not go there t'were I you.

I gave advice....if you disagree it still doesn't change reality. Now...go and spend time on your purple walls...

No the hitpoints are not the main reason. The main reason is archer towers having a much higher arrow speed and retargeting faster. Especially archers against max bases really suffer.

No, it will never be dead.

As for the cost, for me, it's one wall less per season (as Daddy said).

As for the buildings HP increase, The possibility of losing increased a little bit but as long as I get the resources, I don't care. When I lose to many trophies, few snipes will do it.

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Originally Posted by BloodCrimson

I never really liked barch but decided to do a boost session pre and post update. The day before: loot was CRAZY. The day after, not even a good collector raid. Since IMO that was all that barch was good for, I would say its much lesss viable than before.

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Loot is never the same immediately after the update because of an increase in people logging in and building the update. Wait a few days. It comes back

Barch will always be a cost and time effective way to farm resources

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Originally Posted by BigBadBossman

Barch will always be a cost and time effective way to farm resources

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As long as folks rush bases and have weaker low level defenses there will be a place for barch, I agree. But CC is strengthening defenses to lessen barching as an effective strategy...which is, I believe, a good thing.

Before the hogs were nerfed ( then nerfed again), hogs were killing everything. Everyone used hogs. They nerfed hogs and gave us skeletons. Then balloonian became popular. And the hairdryers were created.

Now, barching is in vogue. No skill needed. Thus, scale back barch.