Update 01/07 - FEEDBACK thread!

Instead of crying on here saying change everything back how about you practice until you learn the new ai..I mean I seriously can't believe the amount of crying in the thread. My clan is doing just fine our war today ended with every th9 but one 3* and I ended my war with my usual 5 stars. Sure it was a tad bit bumpy in the beginning but once we adjusted for the different changes this update put in place we were back to steamrolling as usual. It is a strategy game and that means you have to adapt to the changes and get better. SC obviously thinks you guys are smart enough to do it or they would have reverted everything back like they did with WBs. I seriously question that as everybody would just rather log on to the forum and pitch a fit like a 5 yr old..

As for me I'll say it again SC great update!!!!

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Originally Posted by Holps

I'm with the majority here..Please listen SC and fix the appalling new AI for our Lady of Walls...There is no way to 'learn' or 'adapt' to a Queen that simply won't go to centre even when perfectly funnelled. It's a lottery now and attacks shouldn't be a lottery...

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That's because she isn't "perfectly funneled". Penetrate along an axis of symmetry if there is one, clear outside buildings and use extreme caution breaking side compartments.

There are so many examples in this forum "proving" AI issues with poorly laid out raids: entry at a corner, imprecise wall breaking, and bad funneling.

I know, I know... You are going to reply that I'm silly and that you know exactly what you are doing etc etc etc... But I personally have not had this AQ issue yet. I would suggest looking into your own raids, or even sharing examples here to discuss.

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Originally Posted by Warp3dM1nd

Instead of crying on here saying change everything back how about you practice until you learn the new ai..I mean I seriously can't believe the amount of crying in the thread. My clan is doing just fine our war today ended with every th9 but one 3* and I ended my war with my usual 5 stars. Sure it was a tad bit bumpy in the beginning but once we adjusted for the different changes this update put in place we were back to steamrolling as usual. It is a strategy game and that means you have to adapt to the changes and get better. SC obviously thinks you guys are smart enough to do it or they would have reverted everything back like they did with WBs. I seriously question that as everybody would just rather log on to the forum and pitch a fit like a 5 yr old..

As for me I'll say it again SC great update!!!!

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Wow..Someone's tired?

Ok. After days of hope. No respond from Supercell. And i cant stand the new AI update anymore. Look for new game.

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Originally Posted by PedroLee

Whenever Archer Queen gets hit by Archer Tower, she needs 3 mins recovery even after using her skill then end battle immediately.

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Strange situation i encounter too.

She sometime need some 1/3minutes, even if she hasn't been hit after skill (full life bar).
And sometime, she finish the fight with little damage and is awake right the return ....

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Originally Posted by Tchoa

Strange situation i encounter too.

She sometime need some 1/3minutes, even if she hasn't been hit after skill (full life bar).
And sometime, she finish the fight with little damage and is awake right the return ....

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I noticed that too.. Depends on how long you next I guess.

What worries me more is the terrible hero AI now (even worse than before) and the total lack of loot.

After playing with the update for a while now, I think I want to give some feedback.

I'm a TH10, Level 126.
After the update, I have been playing in Champ III for a while as well as I have been farming in Gold Leagues with GiBAG and Barch.

Let's get my two major concerns out of the way right from the start :

1) AI is seriously messed up.
I know you say you have reset the WB AI to what it was pre-update. But there are major problems with all troops, even with simple troops.
I have noticed for example archers behaving completely erratic. Like standing in front of a structure, but walking past it to shoot at the third next structure. Makes no sense at all. King is doing wird stuff. I have him igmnoring the nearest structure, walking past two more and hitting on another one finally after walking past three structures.
Many troops wander around the base in strange patterns.
I don't know what exactly you did, but the solution is easy: change the AI back to what it was pre-update. It wasn't broken, so don't try to fix it.

2) Barch.
I love to use small troops. Like Brach or any other troop that uses only one space.
This is why: I have more control over the raid. I can place 240 troops during the raid on spots where I want. Not only 35 troops like when using golems which take up 30 spaces. That's fun as well but one has less control. I also like to play sessions and I don't want to wait on an army to train. I can afford boosting, but I can't afford gemming the troops. Barch or BAM or BAG are great int that regard.

I especially don't like that barching in higher leagues like champs has become clutch every raid now with the increased HP of the structires and two additional ones.

I don't use barch because it's cheap, I use it because by being able to place a troop 240 times during a raid, I have more control.

Now the result of those two points is that I dropped down from champs to gold leagues.
In high leagues I rely on league bonus, but the raids where becoming unpredicatble and too clutch because of those two points.
So my solution is to play in a low league where it doesn't matter if I lose a raid or not.

Now let's get to positive or at least not negative points of the update:

1) Spell cooking
It's great that you can queue spells now and that they cook faster.
Good for clanwars and high league gameplay.

2) Dark Spells
a nice idea. I have only been able to use Poison, ut I like it.
I never lured. I found it pathetic to lure troops and then kill them in some way. Just like the royal lure. Seemed stupid, never liked it.
The Poison spell is good in that way as I don't need to use a lightning to take out the witches.
Haven't been able to use the other spells.
Seen Chief Pat use 4 Earthquakes to take down walls on Youtube, seems great to me. Too bad for those with Level 11 walls, though ;)

3) New leagues.
A good idea !
I had mentioned before last year and this year, that it needs a league at the top that is reset regarding trophes every season. To stop clouds in the long term.
Now you did that and it's a good solution.
Also the new leagues above 3200 cups. Very cool !

However, I do not intend to push higher than Champs 3 because there are no achievements for it in my profile.
Also the loot bonus is still irrelevant in those leagues.
You need way more elixir (including spells) that you get back from the league bonus if you use a heavy army in champs and titans.
Also, from champs 3 to champs 2 the league bonus increases by 10k.
Ah well, no achievement and no relevant league bonus incentive.....I can't be bothered to push again. I completed my achievement by having been to champs 3, so why bother going up higher.

If you want farmers like me to push higher (No idea if you want to, tbh), make new achievemnts and increase the league bonus regarding the elixir.

4) New Interface
It's good, I like it !
You pretty much nailed this.

5) Air sweeper and level 5 dragons.
I don't mind that they exist.
I like how the air sweeper looks so I waill level it up, of course.

6)Heroes not usable during upgrade
Why still not ?
We have 50 people in our clan and do wars with 10 eople, because 40 are upgrading a hero and don't want to be a liability. So please make heroes available during upgrade.
It just sucks to upgrade heroes.
(Which is why mine are so small. I like to play clanwars, so I never upgraded the heroes much).


That's pretty much it. I hope the feedback is helpful. Keep up the good work !

P.S.:
I notice it often happens that when changing a troop while attacking, it doesn't really change to the troop on the touch screen.
I thin kthe touchscreen programming is a little bit messed up.
I first thought it's because of humidity or something, but I heard it from others as well.
You may wanna look into that.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla86

I noticed that too.. Depends on how long you next I guess.

What worries me more is the terrible hero AI now (even worse than before) and the total lack of loot.

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Pekka Queen ? looll !

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Originally Posted by mckfresh

So... Love the new DE Spell Factory...

BUT it is ridiculous to expect anyone to be able to save enough DE on two drills alone, esp at TH8 when you can only upgrade to Lvl3.

I have mine boosted constantly, am constantly getting raided for what I am trying to save so must use shields.. which means I can't raid people.

Not to mention that you can get gold and elixir from the goblins, but no DE.. which again, makes it a harder resource to amass, yet all of the DE upgrades are so steep in cost!

It just doesn't make sense people!

My suggestion is to add a 3rd DE drill to TH8 to keep upgrades closer in line to all the rest - I have almost maxed everything else that require gold and elixir, and now have to sit around spinning my wheels waiting to gain enough DE to be able to ascend to TH9.

PLEASE??

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Third drill for th8? NEVER going to happen. However you should have asked for level 4 drill available at th8...

I hate the new troops ai.

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Originally Posted by Funkychikin

Since new leagues have been added and hitting Champ isn't as special now, we should have more gem-earning achievement for hitting the new leagues, etc.

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Very good idea, new achievements would definitely make sense together with this new major update :-)

Suggest you can see whos fiĺled you CC up after requiest sent. Sick of asking for Max Hogs and some smart ♥♥♥♥ puts L2 Goblins in. Cant kick them out of clan if a dont see at the moment they give.

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Originally Posted by Tchoa

Strange situation i encounter too.

She sometime need some 1/3minutes, even if she hasn't been hit after skill (full life bar).
And sometime, she finish the fight with little damage and is awake right the return ....

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This has been happening to me even before this update.

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Originally Posted by tift

bring back lightning spells purpose. with the upgrade, the lightning spell along with cost upgrades are putting players at disadvantages. I am sure every player has zapped and still do, and if they said "no" then that would be a lie.

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Don't assume everybody does teh same as you or your friends.

I run two villages, one currently at TH9 and teh other at TH8. Between eth two of them, I have zapped for DE maybe half a dozen times in total. the last time well over a month ago. And I don't think many in my clan have regularly done so.

The "purpose" of lightning is still there for most of us - which is mainly in war - killing a mortar when you have two, or an ad when you have three, or CC troops when you only have one.

I have never tended to take spells when raiding, both due to brewing time, and also the lix cost (time being the more important). And while many do, I don't think I am at all unusual.

Add new barracks for defensive troops. These troops could have more hp to offset poison spell, of be immune to poison spell. These troops should do less damage than normal troops, but have more hit points.

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

Cool! Another inactive base, coming up :smirk:

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Good luck buddy. Its maxed. Will cost you a lot to crack it although some do and I am happy for them. (I don't need the resources any more)

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Originally Posted by Anoushka[Supercell]

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Release notes can be found -> here


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the new troop AI IS REALLY messed up
ive lost most of my raids today because of either giants behaving strangely or wizardsand witches running in different directions and they split up .... i do funnel till the centre of base ... seriously im getting bored of the way the game is going right now

I am sure there is a million posts about this already. However I need to throw in my experience. I am a th8 and my king is lvl 10.. (obvi no queen yet) Anyways, whilst I was raiding a base I waited to drop my king until all the buildings were taken out on the outside walls of the base so he would funnel straight in and go for storages or th... I dropped him near a clear opening and this ♥♥♥♥ walks around the entire base to attack buildings on the clear opposite side of the base.. like what the heck is that? I get programming AI is hard.. I know we had problems of troops attacking walls for no reason.. but I think we need to revert back or find a way to fix it. Another experience I had was the king was actually inside the first layer attacking the wall (I was surprised) and once the building behind the wall was taken out by my wizards, he went outside the walls and went to attacking every building on the outside of the base. So, is the new AI programmed to shortest distance building? Or what?

If I have an extra spell queued and cooking in my spell factory, the army overview screen shows that my spells are not full (shows red, not green), despite carrying 5 regular spells.

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Originally Posted by bhima

If I have an extra spell queued and cooking in my spell factory, the army overview screen shows that my spells are not full (shows red, not green), despite carrying 5 regular spells.

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If you have the new dark spell factory, then that is correct, as you now have spece for the same number of ordinary spells you had before plus one dark spell (or of course, you could take 4 ordinary and 3 dark, or any oher mix).

But if you had 5 slots before, you now have 11 (and ordinary lix spells take 2 slots each)

I'm a th 8 players and My base has been destroyed for many times by a half maxed th 9 and I want to revenge it but WHAT CAN I DO? The answer is nothing because my troops cannot penetrate their defense. So please bring back ZAPPING but just for REVENGE...

Dear sc,
will you please fix the bloody spell queueing screen? It's most annoying not to see what's already available and results in expensive spells being cooked needlessly by accident!
This is not an improvement, this is majorly annoying actually!! I got 4 freeze cooked now...thanks a lot!!

When introducing new features I'm sure there is a testing phase,did no one think to mention that this spell queing feature is not implanted correctly??

Fix it already please!!

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Originally Posted by fette

Dear sc,
will you please fix the bloody spell queueing screen? It's most annoying not to see what's already available and results in expensive spells being cooked needlessly by accident!
This is not an improvement, this is majorly annoying actually!! I got 4 freeze cooked now...thanks a lot!!

When introducing new features I'm sure there is a testing phase,did no one think to mention that this spell queing feature is not implanted correctly??

Fix it already please!!

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Possible solution:

Use army overview to see what you have before you make more...?!

How did millions of us ever manage before checklists and overviews? O_O They are nice to have but don't remove all personal responsibility for paying attention to what we're doing....

(Not saying it wouldn't be nice to have, but not worth getting annoyed about imho.)

Got the poison spell and love the concept and all.But it doesn't do that well against dragonsAlso the newer tabs are quite a problem for the average android users ,for example I could put troops to bake really fast and now the window is crammed with so many tabs and smaller icons.Also all the new AI sucks.In Gowipe when I need the king to take out the th,no matter how much is cleared it goes anywhere but near the base.

Bring back simpler graphics,when you are making the game more and more complex at least the displays should be kept simple.

Problems with touchscreen dropping troops and spells since last update

found new problem
sometime ui not respond really well for me
its pretty annoying in higger league against max deff ,when every dps is count and every tiny mistake lead you to defeat .and im stuck to switch my troops because of you supercell. there's nothing wrong with my thumbs lol :facepalm:



Does supercell really consider what we have been wrote here and willing to improve?
seems like supercell just going on their own, just like my new hero the Pekka Queen :unsure:

Everything with the update is great except two things. Sometimes Supercell does such a great job of trying to alleviate everyone's complaint's, but we all sadly realize there is no perfect fix, and want it go back. :p

Poison is too strong. Concept is great. Max level poison spell should be doing what level 1 poison currently does. Decimating cc troops with no skill or thought doesn't help the game.

Put the AQ AI back to how it was. As much as people complained about her shooting walls, etc., it still is better than her now walking around the base. So if there's a choice between her shooting walls and getting into core vs. avoiding walls and walking, let's go with the original.

Anyone else feel that it is difficult to cancel troop training because the button is so small?

It's OK on my OnePlus One (5.5") and iPhone 6 (4,7") but to play my secondary account on my iPhone 5 (4") it's very hard to press cancel troop training.

I can't imagine those playing on an older 3.5" screen.

Surely Supercell, you can improve the troop training screen to make it easier to cancel troop training

I think it's pretty obvious no one is a big fan of the Queens new behavior. I really have a problem in war when I send her in and the enemy cc troops and heroes are all around her killing her teammates and she doesn't help them. the king will stop what he's doing and go kill enemy heroes or cc troops, that's how the queen should be too. also the wallbreakers kinda suck now too. used to be if I wanted to break a wall I could put down two golems then wizards to funnel, then break the wall IN BETWEEN THE GOLEMS. now the wallbreakers wanna go to where the golems are because the wall there is a little weaker. but that sucks cause its not where I want to break the wall at and if there is any kind of splash damage coming down on the golem then the wallbreakers run right into it and don't break any walls. when I'm doing a tough war attack camp space is very limited and I need to know I can count on each troop to do what they should. that is just not happening anymore. supercell please put the ai for the queen and the wallbreakers back the way it was.

Please bring back ability to see what spells are available by, um, tapping your SPELL FACTORY! Common sense right there.

Also please readjust troop and spell button sensitivity back to way it was before update. Getting sick of botching war attacks due to this. Honestly after two years of playing it is the biggest thing making me want to put this game down.

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Everything with the update is great except two things. Sometimes Supercell does such a great job of trying to alleviate everyone's complaint's, but we all sadly realize there is no perfect fix, and want it go back. :p

Poison is too strong. Concept is great. Max level poison spell should be doing what level 1 poison currently does. Decimating cc troops with no skill or thought doesn't help the game.

Put the AQ AI back to how it was. As much as people complained about her shooting walls, etc., it still is better than her now walking around the base. So if there's a choice between her shooting walls and getting into core vs. avoiding walls and walking, let's go with the original.

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If the Poison spell idea was there, then a lvl 1 poison spell would be useless. They need to make the upgrades stronger so they can kill balloons, and eventually dragons, or maybe a hero.

New AI is bad because all troops now go around walls and i strugle to even know,if i am able to win the fight

I keep dropping the wrong troops because the buttons don't respond to my touch as well as they used to.
Lots of folks in my clan have the same issue. Please fix this.

This is a funny one for feedback as a good portion of the new content isn't accessible unless you gem away. Once again it's the UI improvements that I like the most. The new training troops menu is awesome and the reduction in the size of available loot etc when raiding is very helpful. I've got my dark spell factory but not used any dark spells yet as I'm still upgrading.

No need to fill c.c. with troops for defense ... Just draw them out ..let them stand ..drop poison ..and done ..so .. Basically this has made defensive c.c.troops useless... I swear this game sucks now .. I play this game like my life depends on it ... And now ... I'm ready to just quit ...if I didn't have so much time in I would have already ... But to any th6-7 or lower .. Just quit now before u waste your time like I have ... I don't even waste my time with forum b.s. unless there's a pretty good reason.. And I'm telling g ya .. This update has simply screwed the whole game up .. Hope it gets fixed .. Sincerely jb

Bring back the old AQ and WB!!!

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Originally Posted by SpyderQu33n

I keep dropping the wrong troops because the buttons don't respond to my touch as well as they used to.
Lots of folks in my clan have the same issue. Please fix this.

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yeah..that's really annoying . They have changed the sensitivity and button doesn't respond properly and I don't even remember how many times I have dropped spells in the woods.

Love the update. Best release since the introduction of clan wars. Nicely done.:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Horstradamus

Love the update. Best release since the introduction of clan wars. Nicely done.:thumbsup:

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☝must work for supercell..... Cause this is the worse update I've ever witnessed.. Or else I wouldn't even be here typing this ... I'd be clashing... But its useless to play now.. So...here I am ...drags..but add air sweep ... Make spells to make c.c. defense useless.. ..increase HP on buildings.. ..just not any fun anymore

I may have missed it, but I do not recall seeing a single response from them on these issues since Thursday

Love most of the update, but will add my voice to those thinking it seems foolish to not see what spells are already made ( brewed?.. Sheesh) when using the spell factory.

Add a more balanced troop instead a weak one.
Poison has effects in weak troops only.

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Originally Posted by jabmagic

No need to fill c.c. with troops for defense ... Just draw them out ..let them stand ..drop poison ..and done ..so .. Basically this has made defensive c.c.troops useless... I swear this game sucks now .. I play this game like my life depends on it ... And now ... I'm ready to just quit ...if I didn't have so much time in I would have already ... But to any th6-7 or lower .. Just quit now before u waste your time like I have ... I don't even waste my time with forum b.s. unless there's a pretty good reason.. And I'm telling g ya .. This update has simply screwed the whole game up .. Hope it gets fixed .. Sincerely jb

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Something with the troops AI was def messed with. I cant win a GOWIWI attack since the update. I pushed past 4600 cups but since the update have dropped down to 4400 cups due to loss of attacks. Prior to the update, I would always get 1 or 2 stars in a raid.

Have difficulty selecting different troops and spells, seem to be dropping the wrong thing quite often with the new update on iPhone and iPad mini

Update is awesome but war search seems to take an extreme amount of time... Granted our alliance put together a full clan of th9s and went on the search for war, it's been 13+ hours of searching and counting, there has to be a better way to match the clans together... Everything else gets an A+

I don't mean Dragon 5. I mean all dragons in all attacks.

After about 50 dragon attacks while keeping track, I think that the fundamentals of dragon attacks changed in this update.

Dragons are avoiding air defenses if there is anything else around, even if the AD is closer.

Sometimes dragons appear to be attacking the AD but instead cause damage the the adjacent unit.

It also seems that the point of the dragon that determines whether it is in a spell ring has been moved back so that dragons do not the benefit of the spell until they are closer to the center.

It seems like the compensation for giving us Dragon 5 was to make all dragons less powerful and less useful.

Is anyone else noticing this or am I crazy? And can someone from SuperCell give us a definitive answer?

No one likes watching the clock run out as their heroes attack useless walls, but now they are completely allergic to them. Isn't there some option in the middle?

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Originally Posted by Horstradamus

Love the update. Best release since the introduction of clan wars. Nicely done.:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by SuperR0ck

Add a more balanced troop instead a weak one.
Poison has effects in weak troops only.

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Max wiz aren't weak

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Originally Posted by johnnyclasher

Something with the troops AI was def messed with. I cant win a GOWIWI attack since the update. I pushed past 4600 cups but since the update have dropped down to 4400 cups due to loss of attacks. Prior to the update, I would always get 1 or 2 stars in a raid.

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Exactly, happen to me
Then some people said i need to learn funneling XD
I must be an idiot who can't funneling but very lucky to reach high cups
Before update, I'm just use my lucky to penetrate that blue core without funneling skill:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by jabmagic

Max wiz aren't weak

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Had max wiz in c.c. ( probably the most common/best c.c. defense) I say that cause 9/10 wars what to peeps have?...max wiz ...anyway.. Dude drew them out left them standing,dropped spell...it took them all down in 10 sec... No other troops...just the spell alone.. Drained the max wizards in 10 sec.

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Originally Posted by vasubandu

I don't mean Dragon 5. I mean all dragons in all attacks.

After about 50 dragon attacks while keeping track, I think that the fundamentals of dragon attacks changed in this update.

Dragons are avoiding air defenses if there is anything else around, even if the AD is closer.

Sometimes dragons appear to be attacking the AD but instead cause damage the the adjacent unit.

It also seems that the point of the dragon that determines whether it is in a spell ring has been moved back so that dragons do not the benefit of the spell until they are closer to the center.

It seems like the compensation for giving us Dragon 5 was to make all dragons less powerful and less useful.

Is anyone else noticing this or am I crazy? And can someone from SuperCell give us a definitive answer?

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I can back u up on that .. Im not a mass drag person.. But plenty of the membersnim my clan are, ..I've watched the 3 * over and over and over....and now ... Not so much ... I've seen them avoid a.d. .. The building HP has a big effect ... And the newly added air sweep surly doesn't help .. I mean if maasmdrag attack caused all this... I'd rather reduce their damage..than increase the building HP... ..once again .. Furious.....

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Originally Posted by Beagle21

Have difficulty selecting different troops and spells, seem to be dropping the wrong thing quite often with the new update on iPhone and iPad mini

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I think its not just on iPhone or iPad, its on all the models of Samsung and its so annoying. Hope they come up with an update soon.

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Originally Posted by Beagle21

Have difficulty selecting different troops and spells, seem to be dropping the wrong thing quite often with the new update on iPhone and iPad mini

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Omg ... I'm so glad I'm not the only one experiencing this ♥♥. My war raids have been so sloppy since the update because the damn troop selection won't change (sigh).

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Originally Posted by Evantagonist

Omg ... I'm so glad I'm not the only one experiencing this ♥♥. My war raids have been so sloppy since the update because the damn troop selection won't change (sigh).

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yeah there is thread going in the bugs section.

Happens on my ipad, S6 phone and galaxy tab blooding annoying wasting spells

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Originally Posted by jabmagic

I can back u up on that .. Im not a mass drag person.. But plenty of the membersnim my clan are, ..I've watched the 3 * over and over and over....and now ... Not so much ... I've seen them avoid a.d. .. The building HP has a big effect ... And the newly added air sweep surly doesn't help .. I mean if maasmdrag attack caused all this... I'd rather reduce their damage..than increase the building HP... ..once again .. Furious.....

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I just don't get it. Drags do not attack AD when AD are closest and fastest target. I know people were tired of mass drag attack, but the air sweepers made it a challenge again. Smart drag attacks should still work but they don't.

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Originally Posted by fette

Dear sc,
will you please fix the bloody spell queueing screen? It's most annoying not to see what's already available and results in expensive spells being cooked needlessly by accident!
This is not an improvement, this is majorly annoying actually!! I got 4 freeze cooked now...thanks a lot!!

When introducing new features I'm sure there is a testing phase,did no one think to mention that this spell queing feature is not implanted correctly??

Fix it already please!!

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Presumably you also regularly build army units you already had, and don't want more of?

Because this is exactly the same as armies always have been, except that for both troops and spells, you ojly need to quickly check a different tab now, rather than having to switch to viewing a camp as you used to for armies.

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Originally Posted by Amitabha

Got the poison spell and love the concept and all.But it doesn't do that well against dragons

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Nothing does "that well" against dragons.

That is the whole point of dragons, they are big tough beasts that take a lot of killing.

If anything, the spell is too powerful, in that the only troops that can attack both ground and air that a level 1 poison spell doesn't kill outright are dragons and lava hounds, which is going to mean very little variety in defence CCs for war in future. Everybody will be using dragons.

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Originally Posted by jabmagic

No need to fill c.c. with troops for defense ... Just draw them out ..let them stand ..drop poison ..and done ..so .. Basically this has made defensive c.c.troops useless...

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It hasn't made them useless, just that they now require dragons/lava hounds wherever there is space, valks where there isn't (and hope you aren't attacked from the air at that level).

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Originally Posted by jabmagic

Max wiz aren't weak

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Yes they are.

They have a good attack, but are very weak in terms of taking damage.

It even says that (and always has) in the description of them.

Farming done. TH11 or Walls level 12 please. :smirk:

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Originally Posted by PedroLee

Farming done. TH11 or Walls level 12 please. :smirk:

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Lvl12 walls :heart:
Been few month since I upgraded a single wall :smirk:

Happy with the update, brought a lot of needed additions but the troop AI change was not one of those BIG issues. Yes it was annoying towards the end of a raid to see them bashing at a wall but the change is worse then the problem.

Now I get to see them walk away from close buildings go on a trip around the map and start attacking something that is nowhere near the middle of the base.

Yes you could put this down to poor troop timing and not using enough wall breakers to open up the base but seriously, how open does a base need to be to get into the middle...??

I like what you have done with the queens AI, good work but please, put the troops AI back to what it was. You already folded on the WB mistake...!!

Super Cell just needs to make sure that Level 12 walls actually look coherent with the rest of the base.

They really lost me with the zaps and after that I can't help but suspect that 12's will be themed around one of parrot feathers, rodeo clowns or donuts. :confused:

Got idea about using builder
Normaly 1 builder can make only 1 building and it takes time depends on the building needed...same as upgrading building

How about we can use more then just 1 builder for build and upgrade building..?? So its makes short to wait until done..
U can set it
1 bulider 100% time takes
2 builder 80% time takes
3 builder 60% time takes and so on
Thats for build or upgrading...!!

Good idea.. cause now since i got everything full upgrade.. my builder get nothing to do..
Then nee update come with new building...
1 builder use..and the rest got nothing to do.. and take time to wait..

Please reply my idea

Sure they are better now than previous (champ badge etc)
But the original badges are the way to go.

I mean, you can barely tell the difference between master and silver..

Too shiny :cool:

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Now I get to see them walk away from close buildings go on a trip around the map and start attacking something that is nowhere near the middle of the base.

Yes you could put this down to poor troop timing and not using enough wall breakers to open up the base but seriously, how open does a base need to be to get into the middle...??

I like what you have done with the queens AI, good work but please, put the troops AI back to what it was. You already folded on the WB mistake...!!

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Have we not heard any response about the troop AI (archers mainly my issue) ??

For me the Barbs and Arcs Combo is pretty much useless now... I Used to used hogs to take down the surrounding defences then just allow my barbs and arcs to cut through to the Core where I wanted them to be.. This combo is now redundant.. As the Archers just wander off on a sight seeing tour whilst the barbs are left to fend for themselves.

I never needed WBs yes sometimes I had huge failures due to my stubbornness but I took that as part and parcel of the game / Troops I used.

The People that say learn to funnel are in some ways correct, but to suggest that you couldn't funnel perfectly well with just barbs and arcs is just plain wrong, it was in fact an art form in my opinion, and this Troop AI change has ruined the game that I enjoyed (on the most part) for 3 years.

I could have lived with the Hero AI change if the Tier1 had been left alone but to now I have look for weaker bases, where as before I was attacking TH10s with Dual infernos if the loot was good enough, I can not do this now without totally changing my army composition and spells..

Come on SC can we at least have our Tier1 AI back please.

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Have difficulty selecting different troops and spells, seem to be dropping the wrong thing quite often with the new update on iPhone and iPad mini

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Same, it seems laggy and not as responsive as before.

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Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear

Have we not heard any response about the troop AI (archers mainly my issue) ??

For me the Barbs and Arcs Combo is pretty much useless now... I Used to used hogs to take down the surrounding defences then just allow my barbs and arcs to cut through to the Core where I wanted them to be.. This combo is now redundant.. As the Archers just wander off on a sight seeing tour whilst the barbs are left to fend for themselves.

I never needed WBs yes sometimes I had huge failures due to my stubbornness but I took that as part and parcel of the game / Troops I used.

The People that say learn to funnel are in some ways correct, but to suggest that you couldn't funnel perfectly well with just barbs and arcs is just plain wrong, it was in fact an art form in my opinion, and this Troop AI change has ruined the game that I enjoyed (on the most part) for 3 years.

I could have lived with the Hero AI change if the Tier1 had been left alone but to now I have look for weaker bases, where as before I was attacking TH10s with Dual infernos if the loot was good enough, I can not do this now without totally changing my army composition and spells..

Come on SC can we at least have our Tier1 AI back please.

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same issue i've noticed after the update. Barching is useless now. Im a barcher user interms of farming and i love using it because it only cost a little amount of elixers. But now need to giants or hogs, even balloons just to penetrate their defenses which costs me a lot of time of waiting for the troops to come out and elixers. Now im getting bored playing the game, I just go online for CLan Wars and waiting for my collectors to get full and harvest the ♥♥♥♥ out of it.

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same issue i've noticed after the update. Barching is useless now. Im a barcher user interms of farming and i love using it because it only cost a little amount of elixers. But now need to giants or hogs, even balloons just to penetrate their defenses which costs me a lot of time of waiting for the troops to come out and elixers. Now im getting bored playing the game, I just go online for CLan Wars and waiting for my collectors to get full and harvest the ♥♥♥♥ out of it.

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I know !!! I used to play with barchers only but this update has totally scre*ed up the attack. Yesterday i tried using giant healer..cleared the way to the core using wb and giants destroyed all the defences there. There was one wall seperating the mortar and giants and what do the giants do ?? They come out and turn right walk and start breaking a wall towards a canon which was hell longer than the mortar which was next to one layer of wall ??? I mean what the hell ?

Usually i destroy every building on one side and let archer queen goes in to the center of village, now my archer queen just go around the walls and not go to center 😢, is there any smarter A.I for queen? Sometimes you need archer queen to destroy some walls.

Well due to the lack of enjoyment I am now experiencing with this app I felt it only appropriate to reflect this in my rating on the App Store... I Would advise other to do the same who feel that the game has altered to the same point.

The Update on the whole is a good update, it is a shame that such a fundamental aspect has altered it for so many people... and for those who don't mind spending a few gems on Spell Factory boosts or the odd Barracks boost to build the bigger, stronger armies needed to take down a TH10 im sure its still pretty enjoyable. But for me I guess I am just going to participate in the Wars until that becomes too tedious also...

I didn't farm my heros to Max level to see them destroyed because they elect to go for a stroll.

time to go stock up the cave and go hibernate again

I agree with most others here. Queen's new targeting has been lackluster, never getting into the core for me. Also the new AT speed is mind numbingly frustrating for BARCH.

On the plus side I love the new targeting by troops where they don't aimlessly hammer away on walls. Thanks!

I really like the new interface with the exception of the spells. Seems odd that I have to swap screens to see what spells I have then back to actually brew them? Very minor point I know just seemed an odd way to set it up when the intention was obviously to make the whole training army routine more user friendly.
I do find the Archer Towers now so scary that I have just spent the 8 million gold I had saved for a max Xbow on an AT as they simply smash heroes. They don't seem to have effected my archer raids as they have also speeded up their fire.
Once I get used to the new AQ AI or it is returned to pre-update (whichever route we take) I am generally in the well done camp for this update..The one thing it has done is make me think and challenge me again so I am all in favour..

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The Archer Queen is in the Core with walls broken and look at how many buildings it ignored especially the Wizard Tower right in front of her. Nothing to do with pathing as the AQ is in the CORE but ignore taking down buildings closest to it.

Skip video to 0:18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWKoxxiN2_c

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Nice AD shooting ;-)

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I agree with most others here. Queen's new targeting has been lackluster, never getting into the core for me.

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Hi there,
This is a note to all of those who believe that the AQ "doesn't go to the core"... The AQ has never been targeting specific targets (i.e. unlike giants for defenses). She keeps targeting at the closest building or defense troop without any preference. In order to make sure that she goes and kiss the townhall or the dark elixir storage or whatever you want, first make sure that you have sufficiently enough cleaned the area / her path so that your target is the only closest structure to the point where you drop the AQ. If you drop the AQ too early you have a high probability for her to go for targets that you don't mind about.
I'm playing at 4500 cups and I can confirm that she does a good job. So some changes in your attacks strategies might be a good start ;)

One long standing request I have is to be able to to save your own army compositions as templates.

gets annoying having to select the same troops each raid...

The queen now seems like a lost sheep as is about as much use as a chocolate fire guard. The war match ups also need to be addressed as being a level 5 war clan has now seen us paired up against very hard level 6 clans and as result for the first time we have suffered 5 straight defeats.

sigh

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Well due to the lack of enjoyment I am now experiencing with this app I felt it only appropriate to reflect this in my rating on the App Store... I Would advise other to do the same who feel that the game has altered to the same point.

The Update on the whole is a good update, it is a shame that such a fundamental aspect has altered it for so many people... and for those who don't mind spending a few gems on Spell Factory boosts or the odd Barracks boost to build the bigger, stronger armies needed to take down a TH10 im sure its still pretty enjoyable. But for me I guess I am just going to participate in the Wars until that becomes too tedious also...

I didn't farm my heros to Max level to see them destroyed because they elect to go for a stroll.

time to go stock up the cave and go hibernate again

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Good idea. I just did rate clash of clan app 1/5 cause appstore dont let us rate 0/5

My barb king totally ignores the DE storage that is right next to it and yet goes around the whole base to be smashed by a wizard tower, this is ridiculous. Please fix the troop AI supercell.
and is there any possibility we could get zapping back again.

Everyone has complained about the Wall Breakers, but what about the Healer's AI. I raid with GiBArch, and throw a Healer and Wall Breakers into the mix to help penetrate to the core. The Healer's AI is garbage right now!

I don't know how many times I've had raids fail because the Healer feels compelled to ignore the Giants (who are taking damage). Instead she chooses to heal the Barbarians and Archers (who are not taking damage) that are wandering aimlessly around the outer edges. What a frustrating disappointment!

Some things I really like, some things I don't care for.

First, THANK YOU for eliminating DE zapping, this might have been the most annoying aspect of CoC for me and I really don't understand the mentality of a person who thinks it was actually good for the game. Zero strategy, zero skill, just super annoying. Even barch takes some minimal level of skill at least. So, good job getting rid of it.

Also like the new army interface, makes things easier.

I don't really get the need for the second sweeper, I mean I personally don't do a lot of air attacks but it seems a little bit excessive to nerf air attacks so badly. Was this really necessary? It seems the devs are aiming for even more of a gowipe vs. gowipe war experience than we already have, trying to eliminate any other viable types of attacks.

The most annoying part of the update to me is it is now for some reason a lot more difficult to select the troop/spell you want during an attack... Soooo many times I try to pick a troop and it just stays on the one I had selected before. I have to remind myself to keep my finger on the button for almost a "one mississippi" to make sure it gets selected. Dropped many heals in the middle of nowhere so far... Was this change intentional? If so this is another one that I don't understand the need for as I don't recall hearing too many people complaining that it was too easy to change your troop selection during battle.

It's a mixed bag for me.

Regarding the interface upgrades, well done. Much easier, profile pages provide the relevant information right up top. A+

Dark spells: meh. Haven't used them enough to have an opinion one way or the other. Earthquake seems like it could be a game changer once maxed. B-

Troop AI: I understand the attempted fix, but it is a bit ridiculous. Even if a building is left in a compartment, troops are pulling off a almost down wall, pulling out of the center of a base, and either starting on a new, full health wall, or just circling around to get smashed. Severe fail.

Barch cost: Fail. Already noticing much lower availability of elixir when raiding.

No upgrading heros in war: Cmon. Either take out the upgrading defenses, or add upgrading heros. The code isn't that complicated. Huge fail.

With all the upgrades to defenses and buildings, you'd think th9 would get level 4 pekka, another fail.

Overall, like the interface, but everything else seems poorly thought out and/or executed.

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The most annoying part of the update to me is it is now for some reason a lot more difficult to select the troop/spell you want during an attack... Soooo many times I try to pick a troop and it just stays on the one I had selected before. I have to remind myself to keep my finger on the button for almost a "one mississippi" to make sure it gets selected. Dropped many heals in the middle of nowhere so far... Was this change intentional? If so this is another one that I don't understand the need for as I don't recall hearing too many people complaining that it was too easy to change your troop selection during battle.

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I have the same issue. I have over deployed the wrong troops because I thought a new one was selected. Thought it was just me.

I'm having trouble switching between troops while attacking. I'm having to click 2 or 3 times to get it to switch between another troop. It's incredibly frustrating when I click it and end up dropping the wrong troops because it didn't switch to what I clicked on.

I'm also experience the new training window randomly close while I'm toggling between barracks. While scrolling with the arrows the whole window will just close. It's very frustrating.

I've mentioned it before, but I'd like to reiterate how broken the Archer Queen is now. She targets the most ridiculous buildings and she completely avoids the center. Instead of shooting pointless walls, she now refuses to shoot any walls at all. I've even used wall breakers to make a clear path to the center but she just wanders off around the outside of the base. This is a huge flaw and needs to be addressed.

The changes to Barch are also were a bad move in my opinion. Higher cost and less HP? Who though that was gonna be a good idea? And not to mention the complete lack of elixir in raids now......

Troops seem to only want to attack building outside of middle. They refuse to hit a building close to the, instead go around the base. No matter how u place them, even if you drop them in the middle of a base they leave the middle and go to the outside...ok well football season is almost here.

I don't understand what was so wrong with it before that they needed to change it so much? Raids used to be fun now they just ♥♥♥♥ me off.

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I don't understand what was so wrong with it before that they needed to change it so much? Raids used to be fun now they just ♥♥♥♥ me off.

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100% agree, the new Ai is horrible. I deploy just to watch troops split off left and right, nothing goes in. Frustrating to say the least. They dark spells etc are great but please restore the troop Ai, this just sux.

I just tried a lot of different attacks, if there is a wall the troops will go all the way around the map to avoid it. No stragety at all any more...game sucks now. I can not play, the game is way too dumb...not that supercell cares but I hope everyone stops playing and they chance the ai back to dumb, right now it unworkable, playable...just sucks...bye

Folks,
The Spells buttons are not releasing !!!
WTH is up with this ??
This is ongoing and I have seen other post regarding this same issue.
You drop a spell, select a troop to drop then tap the battlefield only to drop all you spells in no-mans-land !!!
I have no idea of the cause but it started to happen only after this update....
Many of my clan mates are also experiencing it !!!
Please check into this...

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The most annoying part of the update to me is it is now for some reason a lot more difficult to select the troop/spell you want during an attack... Soooo many times I try to pick a troop and it just stays on the one I had selected before. I have to remind myself to keep my finger on the button for almost a "one mississippi" to make sure it gets selected. Dropped many heals in the middle of nowhere so far... Was this change intentional? If so this is another one that I don't understand the need for as I don't recall hearing too many people complaining that it was too easy to change your troop selection during battle.

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THIS.

The troop selection never registers for me on the first tap or two resulting in plenty of incorrect troop/spell drops.

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No upgrading heros in war: Cmon. Either take out the upgrading defenses, or add upgrading heros. The code isn't that complicated. Huge fail.

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How the heck do you know how complicated the code is? Are you a developer at SC? Have you seen their code?

Besides, if you think more about it, you'll find it introduces many complicated issues. If you don't want to think more about it for yourself, search the Ideas & Features Forum for the countless number of threads on this topic. A couple of those threads have responses from SC describing those complications.

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Some things I really like, some things I don't care for.

First, THANK YOU for eliminating DE zapping, this might have been the most annoying aspect of CoC for me and I really don't understand the mentality of a person who thinks it was actually good for the game. Zero strategy, zero skill, just super annoying. Even barch takes some minimal level of skill at least. So, good job getting rid of it.

Also like the new army interface, makes things easier.

I don't really get the need for the second sweeper, I mean I personally don't do a lot of air attacks but it seems a little bit excessive to nerf air attacks so badly. Was this really necessary? It seems the devs are aiming for even more of a gowipe vs. gowipe war experience than we already have, trying to eliminate any other viable types of attacks.

The most annoying part of the update to me is it is now for some reason a lot more difficult to select the troop/spell you want during an attack... Soooo many times I try to pick a troop and it just stays on the one I had selected before. I have to remind myself to keep my finger on the button for almost a "one mississippi" to make sure it gets selected. Dropped many heals in the middle of nowhere so far... Was this change intentional? If so this is another one that I don't understand the need for as I don't recall hearing too many people complaining that it was too easy to change your troop selection during battle.

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I agree whit the difficult to select troop/spell its annoying, and thanks SC for stooping Zappers

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THIS.

The troop selection never registers for me on the first tap or two resulting in plenty of incorrect troop/spell drops.

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Supercell fix the troop selection please.

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How the heck do you know how complicated the code is? Are you a developer at SC? Have you seen their code?

Besides, if you think more about it, you'll find it introduces many complicated issues. If you don't want to think more about it for yourself, search the Ideas & Features Forum for the countless number of threads on this topic. A couple of those threads have responses from SC describing those complications.

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Treat heroes as one of those towers. If towers can, heroes cannot? I would fire the programmers if i were the boss. This shows the incompetence of SC programmers.

Loot has been pathetic since the update. I know loot is usually bad right after an update due to people spending it on the new goodies. But the bases that keep showing up have sub 100 k loot and even down in gold 2 i kept getting matched with th 10s with nearly maxed defenses. Im a lvl 123 th 10 and like always i barch against lower lvl players or collector raids. These are now gone and i would like to know why. Many people on global chats can confirm this as well. In fact, most players lvl 60 and above have noticed this. In the 2 years ive been playing i never saw this happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_khGyJX0yg

Revert the building HP increase, it is so beyond stupid how a lvl 3 PEKKA can't 1-shot a maxed barracks and can't 1-shot lvl 5+ dark rax either.

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Don't assume everybody does teh same as you or your friends.

I run two villages, one currently at TH9 and teh other at TH8. Between eth two of them, I have zapped for DE maybe half a dozen times in total. the last time well over a month ago. And I don't think many in my clan have regularly done so.

The "purpose" of lightning is still there for most of us - which is mainly in war - killing a mortar when you have two, or an ad when you have three, or CC troops when you only have one.

I have never tended to take spells when raiding, both due to brewing time, and also the lix cost (time being the more important). And while many do, I don't think I am at all unusual.

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U don't THINK that many in your clan do so, and u have done it yourself so don't contradict yourself plus u must not know anyone in your clan. Go back to TH 1 2 3 4 5 6 and you'll feel the struggle. There are many other options to counter zapping but SC unfortunately decided it was better this way. Eventually we'll see the outcome of this game within the next year. I have also been playing this game for a while and am at TH9, but this is my first complaint, and I would consider myself a pretty passive player. A lot of first time commentators have already expressed their opinions. And of course all of our posts are our own opinions. So my opinion is bring back zapping for the lower levels.