Maxed out TH8 having a hard time in clan wars..

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June 24th, 2015
Pandanoid

Maxed out TH8 having a hard time in clan wars..

Hey there guys, As you might have noticed from the topic title that im actually SUCKING in every kind of attack strategy in clan wars. Kinda' shameful for a max th8 who can't even attack right..I've reached 370+ war stars, well actually the main were the 300 stars which i got when i was a TH7 but right after my journey in TH8 i embarrass my clan mates every time. Not to mention they are trying to help me alot instead of scolding, which im thankful for..

I've tried gowipe, fail everytime, either 2 star or no star. Mass hogs; 1-2 stars and usually no star. Why? no idea... springs take out many of my hogs.. then dgp ruin the whole raid.. try mass drags 1-2 star again. WHAT DO I DO...

I would be VERY thankful if any one of you would help me in this moment.

P.S: I've seen countless amounts of videos, including JTJ's universitie's dragons guide, OneHive TH8 raids.. clash of clans 3 star clanwars channels but none seem to work for me... Is there any one main army which is a guranteed 3 star?
June 24th, 2015
BawJaws

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Originally Posted by Pandanoid

Hey there guys, As you might have noticed from the topic title that im actually SUCKING in every kind of attack strategy in clan wars. Kinda' shameful for a max th8 who can't even attack right..I've reached 370+ war stars, well actually the main were the 300 stars which i got when i was a TH7 but right after my journey in TH8 i embarrass my clan mates every time. Not to mention they are trying to help me alot instead of scolding, which im thankful for..

I've tried gowipe, fail everytime, either 2 star or no star. Mass hogs; 1-2 stars and usually no star. Why? no idea... springs take out many of my hogs.. then dgp ruin the whole raid.. try mass drags 1-2 star again. WHAT DO I DO...

I would be VERY thankful if any one of you would help me in this moment.

P.S: I've seen countless amounts of videos, including JTJ's universitie's dragons guide, OneHive TH8 raids.. clash of clans 3 star clanwars channels but none seem to work for me... Is there any one main army which is a guranteed 3 star?

There are no guaranteed 3 star attacks really against other TH8 players unless you've properly assessed the base you intend to attack & have build an army to match it.
What kind of attacks have you been using? Is it a matter of poor execution on your part or have you been using the wrong types of armies for different bases? What level are your troops? what's your typical attack style/spells/cc troops? More information will help us see where your're coming from & where you need to be.
Does your clan discuss strategy during war prep time?
June 24th, 2015
itmustbeaustin

TH 8 attacks always depend upon layout.

If there is no chance for DGB, hogs are usually the best bet, if they have DGB spots and you can funnel your dragons into the AD's properly that is best strat, if the have highly exposed AD's, best bet is Dragho, a few troops to draw and kill their CC, then just enough hogs and heal spells to take their exposed ADs (usually 8-10 hogs plus 5 in your CC) and either 3 heals or 2 heals and a rage.

Gowipe is more of a 2-star strat, if you do use gowipe, best CC troops are two witches, turning it into a gowiwi or a gowiwipe. Sometimes not using Pekkas is better.
June 24th, 2015
BawJaws

I'm also using GoWiVA with CC witches atm & it's working well agaisnt TH8 opponents. Particularly the more open/low comparment bases.
June 24th, 2015
Pandanoid

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Originally Posted by BawJaws

There are no guaranteed 3 star attacks really against other TH8 players unless you've properly assessed the base you intend to attack & have build an army to match it.
What kind of attacks have you been using? Is it a matter of poor execution on your part or have you been using the wrong types of armies for different bases? What level are your troops? what's your typical attack style/spells/cc troops? More information will help us see where your're coming from & where you need to be.
Does your clan discuss strategy during war prep time?

I'm using mass hogs occasionly with some cleanup wiz, i do lure. My troops are maxed out for a th8 (lvl4 hogs, lvl3 pekka, lvl2 golem etc)

obviously i use 3 heals for mass hogs. For drags i use 2 rage and 1 heal but its rarely a 3 star..

the bases i come up to are usually popular YT bases. Even though i know the trap locations i still dont get how i lose my hogs, my heals are in time too..
June 24th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by Pandanoid

I'm using mass hogs occasionly with some cleanup wiz, i do lure. My troops are maxed out for a th8 (lvl4 hogs, lvl3 pekka, lvl2 golem etc)

obviously i use 3 heals for mass hogs. For drags i use 2 rage and 1 heal but its rarely a 3 star..

the bases i come up to are usually popular YT bases. Even though i know the trap locations i still dont get how i lose my hogs, my heals are in time too..

2R1H is not nearly as effective of a strategy on most bases as 3 lightning on an AD.. 3 lightning reducing it to two ADs reduces damage a lot more than rages and heals save damage because you have to factor in the fact that the third AD is hitting you for a long time rather than being dead to begin with. Every time our clan gets a three star on a decent TH8 with dragloon, it's always lightning.
June 24th, 2015
slawrence22

I was in the same situation

I totally understand that, there simply aren't enough attacks to use and they aren't exactly easy. I got out of my slump with hogs, 22 arch, 2 wiz, bk, rest hogs ( with hogs in cc ) if there is a spot where you can trigger a dbl bomb, do it, but if there is probably a dbl bomb in the mid then it's not a hog raid. Basically what I do is see if there are any big bombs I can set off, I do that, draw cc, then place hogs wherever you drew the cc because then your clean up troops won't be shot. The goal is to keep as many hogs alive as possible, they are your strongest clean up... Please try this and tell me how it goes!
June 24th, 2015
Pandanoid

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Originally Posted by slawrence22

I totally understand that, there simply aren't enough attacks to use and they aren't exactly easy. I got out of my slump with hogs, 22 arch, 2 wiz, bk, rest hogs ( with hogs in cc ) if there is a spot where you can trigger a dbl bomb, do it, but if there is probably a dbl bomb in the mid then it's not a hog raid. Basically what I do is see if there are any big bombs I can set off, I do that, draw cc, then place hogs wherever you drew the cc because then your clean up troops won't be shot. The goal is to keep as many hogs alive as possible, they are your strongest clean up... Please try this and tell me how it goes!

I believe i wasted enough attacks testing out different strategies and don't want to risk it out more. But for the sake of attacking again and findgout the cons in my attacks i'mma do it. Will let you know.
June 24th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by Pandanoid

I believe i wasted enough attacks testing out different strategies and don't want to risk it out more. But for the sake of attacking again and findgout the cons in my attacks i'mma do it. Will let you know.

risk what? if your old stuff isn't working, what do you have to lose by experimenting?
June 24th, 2015
Yoyobuae

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Originally Posted by Pandanoid

Hey there guys, As you might have noticed from the topic title that im actually SUCKING in every kind of attack strategy in clan wars.

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Originally Posted by Pandanoid

I've tried gowipe, fail everytime, either 2 star or no star. Mass hogs; 1-2 stars and usually no star. Why? no idea... springs take out many of my hogs.. then dgp ruin the whole raid.. try mass drags 1-2 star again. WHAT DO I DO...

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Originally Posted by Pandanoid

P.S: I've seen countless amounts of videos, including JTJ's universitie's dragons guide, OneHive TH8 raids.. clash of clans 3 star clanwars channels but none seem to work for me... Is there any one main army which is a guranteed 3 star?

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Originally Posted by Pandanoid

the bases i come up to are usually popular YT bases. Even though i know the trap locations i still dont get how i lose my hogs, my heals are in time too..

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Originally Posted by Pandanoid

I believe i wasted enough attacks testing out different strategies and don't want to risk it out more. But for the sake of attacking again and findgout the cons in my attacks i'mma do it. Will let you know.

Yeah, I remember that point in time when nothing made sense and every attack seemed doomed to fail.

Some bases just make some attacks tough. Maybe what you lack is more in depth knowledge of base designs, on how they affect your attacks.

Unluckily guides focus way too much on attack strategies. "Look at this powerful 3 star attack!" they say, but the attack is only as good as the base allows it to be.

So my recommendation would be to start paying more attention to the base you are attacking. Do not just try to mimic an attack you saw in some youtube video. It's your attack, you need to make the decisions about what troops to take and how to approach the base. Carefully observe the base and try to imagine how the attack will go.

The only way to learn is to keep going at it and don't just give up. Each fail is a lesson you can learn. Look at the replay closely, get a feel for what went wrong, what didn't go as you expected. Try something slightly different next time. Or choose a different attack for those kinds of bases.

It's not something that can be learned quickly/easily. It's not even something that's logical or can be explained. It only comes with enough time, experience, practice and simply confidence in your own skills.

Now, something that you could do to accelerate the process is to share the replays (either in your clan or via recording videos) and get mentoring from someone more experienced than you (in your clan or in forums).
June 24th, 2015
johnleoman

Learn how to kill clan castle without luring, using golem wizard deployment. It will greatly improve your chances of 3 starring, and can be used with alot of different strategies.
June 24th, 2015
BrysonCOC

GoHo

There is ONE strategy that works on almost every base called the GoHo (golems and hogs) that you should look in to
June 24th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by BrysonCOC

There is ONE strategy that works on almost every base called the GoHo (golems and hogs) that you should look in to

Unless you find the double giant bomb deep in the core when the base was wide open to something else.. Anyone advocating one strategy is generally wrong.
June 24th, 2015
thinkgreen

It depends on base, but all those strats you tried DO work - you just need to get better at executing.
June 24th, 2015
Pandanoid

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Originally Posted by Yoyobuae

So my recommendation would be to start paying more attention to the base you are attacking. Do not just try to mimic an attack you saw in some youtube video. It's your attack, you need to make the decisions about what troops to take and how to approach the base. Carefully observe the base and try to imagine how the attack will go.

Woah now that actually makes sense. Seems like the only problem i have is that i try to use strategy on every kind of base or usually the wrong army on the wrong type of base.. (like using gowipe on a hoggable base and hogs on a draggable base)

Will see if this works
June 24th, 2015
MaxBusters

Same troubles with my th8 guys.
Starting from fresh th8 who cant 3 star vs 3ad6 with dragons.
Finishing with maxed th8 who fail to 3 star with gowipe.
June 24th, 2015
kAppz

GoHo is def your answer

Hey Man, i've been where you are now.. then I learned GoHo.. if you do it right it's guaranteed 3 stars.. 2 if you fail.

Use 1 Golem, 7-10 Wiz, 2-4 WB's... Some barbs for CC kill and 3 Heals.
Bring 2 Witches in your CC.

You want to attack where there may be Double Giant bombs (If none, attack from King side to kill him early on)
Lure CC with hogs if needs.. kill them with barbs/Witches in CC.

WB them into core. (Golem, BK, Witches, Wiz)
Then drop hogs while they are take a lot of heat.

Save a few wiz for cleanup!

Hope this helps!
June 24th, 2015
thepickl3

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Originally Posted by kAppz

Hey Man, i've been where you are now.. then I learned GoHo.. if you do it right it's guaranteed 3 stars.. 2 if you fail.

Use 1 Golem, 7-10 Wiz, 2-4 WB's... Some barbs for CC kill and 3 Heals.
Bring 2 Witches in your CC.

You want to attack where there may be Double Giant bombs (If none, attack from King side to kill him early on)
Lure CC with hogs if needs.. kill them with barbs/Witches in CC.

WB them into core. (Golem, BK, Witches, Wiz)
Then drop hogs while they are take a lot of heat.

Save a few wiz for cleanup!

Hope this helps!

a GoHo without the Hogs, interesting :smirk:
June 25th, 2015
Lunaticfringe

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Originally Posted by Pandanoid

Hey there guys, As you might have noticed from the topic title that im actually SUCKING in every kind of attack strategy in clan wars. Kinda' shameful for a max th8 who can't even attack right..I've reached 370+ war stars, well actually the main were the 300 stars which i got when i was a TH7 but right after my journey in TH8 i embarrass my clan mates every time. Not to mention they are trying to help me alot instead of scolding, which im thankful for..

I presume your mirror is who you are attacking most of the time, yes? Well, that means you are likely facing other max/near-max TH8s. I can tell you this is a royal pain in the ♥♥♥♥, no matter what anyone says. You need to be really, really skilled to just rip off 3-stars each and every time.

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Originally Posted by Pandanoid

Is there any one main army which is a guranteed 3 star?

No. And anyone who tells you otherwise is either lying or ignorant.

And I'm a huge GoHo fan, but I can assure you it doesn't work for each and every base out there. I'm so baffled as to how people can say it works for ~all bases out there.

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

2R1H is not nearly as effective of a strategy on most bases as 3 lightning on an AD.. 3 lightning reducing it to two ADs reduces damage a lot more than rages and heals save damage because you have to factor in the fact that the third AD is hitting you for a long time rather than being dead to begin with.

This is a patently false comment.

Not only is the decision of what spells to bring a base-by-base analysis, when you are at/near max TH8, 3-lightning becomes all the harder to succeed at. It often becomes much easier to use rages on these bases to power through it.

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Originally Posted by BrysonCOC

There is ONE strategy that works on almost every base called the GoHo (golems and hogs) that you should look in to

As stated above, I believe this to be a significantly incorrect comment. GoHo most certainly does not work on, "almost every base." If you disagree, please record, say, your next 10 attacks (showing the order of your war and that these attacks were in order) and post them on YouTube. I want to see you blindly GoHo ~every base you face in war.
June 25th, 2015
TADP0LE

Drags are the most sure thing at TH8. Gowipe won't usually get you 3 stars, and most Th8s don't really know how to hog right. I recommend drags, of course don't use the same drag composition every attack, but 10 drags, max in cc, 2 rage 1 heal is, imo, the #1 best war strat for Th8.
June 25th, 2015
di2

Study the base you are attacking. Know the purpose of every troop and spell you are training and where are you going to deploy them. When to deploy and what the sequence. What you have said are all general strategies which have to be changed to adapt to the different bases. If you are doing a clean up attack, then watch and study the replay. Can't tell you what works and no strategy works all the time.
June 25th, 2015
larry7890

I am also max th8 and had the same problem as the OP. But when I leveled up my hogs to lv4 and learned surgical hogs by far the best 3 star wars th8 strategy
June 25th, 2015
Pandanoid

Thanks alot guys, after all those things every ine told me, i'll be really thankful if you tell me about the strategy i thought of: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...77#post4827977
June 25th, 2015
saruyarla

I use maxed hogs with wizz most of the time,,,it works pretty well for me
June 27th, 2015
masiskan

take a look valhalla files and hulk files, those thread will help you how to 3 stared any th8s, you should scouting the base b4 attacking. dont use random attack strategy
June 27th, 2015
Diwik

Hybrid the way to go?

I myself am a TH8, and I must admit, Dragons work best against bases with level 5 ads or below. Thing is, dragons and hogs have been overused enough for everyone to set anti drag and anti hog bases. I know from personal experience that attack strategies like Goho and Golowiwi are the way to go, Goho works against anti hog bases, if you can get Golems to set dgb off and successfully have wizards/witches/bk kill off cc. Golowiwi works best against anti drag bases, the bases which have air defenses in a triangle formation. You can look over the Clash with Ash youtube channel for a proper tutorial, but the jist is, you use 2 golems, 12 wb, 10 wiz and cc witches (with 2 rage or 1 rage, 1 heal), and get two air defenses, have 15 loons for back end, along with a rage spell and destroy all buildings around air defense before all troops in the end merge and destroy the last air defense before proceeding to clean up.