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1) A player should get back the troops that survived a raid.Otherwise refunding the elixir(or dark elixir) spend on those troops is enough.
2) Cost of upgrading walls should be reduced.
3) Option for personal chat between clan members.
4) Extra reward for clan members performing 'best attack' and 'best defense' of winning clan in clan wars (it may be gems,gold etc...)
I hope supercell will look into these suggestions seriously.......Thanks
Responses in bold. Read the stickies please.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArunDavid
Numbers 1 to 3 are unnecessary and/or ruled out.
However, I think there should be some kind of reward for "Best Attack" and "Best Defense". It could be Gold or Elixir (a fixed amount, or a percentage of warloot). Maybe even Gems. Or Clan-XP.
For Most Heroic Attack and Most Heroic Defense rewards, a fixed amount of each Gold + Elixir + Dark Elixir would be great. Or 2-5 gems would be more enticing. It encourages clan members/players to go extreme with either offensive or defensive strategies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freyrix
Most Heroic Attack and Most Heroic Defense are only useful during clan banter.
Most people question how they are determined and no-one seems to really know. They certainly don’t take the overall state of a war into account. For instance, in our last war, Most Heroic Defense went to someone who was zero starred but later three starred. But the real hero was person who gave up one star in four successive defenses.
So no, a reward is not necessarily deserved.
I'm not discussing the way SC determines "Most Heroic Attack" and "Most Heroic Defense". I just think it should come with some kind of reward.
If Most Heroic is not actually Most Heroic, it does not warrant a reward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freyrix
Have you ever agreed with an idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by OzAudi
Yes, quite often, but only the sensible and irrefutable. Do you take issue with people possessing differing point of view to others ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SimonTheEpic
If YOU disagree with my comment on Most Heroic being useless, please explain why (I have). If you are in doubt about my stance, search the forum and you will find I’m not alone in my view.
Nice one, man! XDQuote:
Originally Posted by SimonTheEpic
Hmm. and here is another one who thinks they are hard done by when people disagree..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kennnnnnn
If you have anything meaningful to add to this thread, use that opportunity. Otherwise start searching the forum and the internet for ways and means to support some of your crazier ideas and beliefs, and quite possibly successfully refute those people that disagree with you.
Here is a hint..look for facts and figures to support you argument and don’t rely on emotional pleas or bullying by trying to belittle people. It just makes you look even more foolish when you do.
Is that trying to belittle people? I rest my case!Quote:
Originally Posted by OzAudi
Are you alright? I was just laughing at his reply. Don't take it personally please. Don't act like you're butt hurt or something. And please... Stop acting like a wise-@$$. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by OzAudi
Wow, you guys really do have issues with a different point of view, don’t you ?
Freyrex.
If you don’t agree with a person’s point of view, then raise the reasons why. Don‘t fall into the pattern these others follow.
SimontheEpic.
When you base a thread on unfounded assumptions, expect people to challenge you. But don’t carry your dismay into the rest of the forum.
Kennnnnnn.
I am not the slightest bit upset but I do think it’s unusual that people feel the need to laugh at a personal attack however subtle then say they didn’t mean it to be personal. And if you want to take my comments on your posts and threads to task, do it those threads and stay on topic. If you think someone disagreeing is acting like a wisea$$ you really need to mature a little and understand more about life.
Most Heroic Attack and Most Heroic Defense statuses only indicate how good you attack and how good your base's defenses are, not for resources. Then players would just rely on achieving these two PLUS the War Loot Bonus to earn lots of resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kennnnnnn
"Or 2-5 gems would be more enticing."
- There are lots of ways to earn free Gems.
- Adding more ways to earn free Gems can lower the profit earned by SC.
- More Free Gems for Players = Less Profit for SC
I don't have issues with different points of view. In fact, I'm open to these.Quote:
Originally Posted by OzAudi
Good to know you're not upset or anything. As I've said, I have nothing personal against you or whoever here on forums. I've been staying on topic most of the time, but we just need to crack the ice sometimes because we tend to go too freaking serious with all these brouhaha in here.
Regarding maturity, it's not fully based on being a keyboard warrior, but being open-minded to all suggestions and objections. And also dealing with some difficult people in here.
On topic: I still stick to a reward system to best performers of clan war.
I am also in favor of slightly reducing the cost of walls, especially on higher TH levels above 7.
For Most Heroic Attack, I think it's not just about how good you attack, but also how high your troop levels are and I find it quite a huge factor in winning attacks. So players tend to invest more on maxing out laboratory upgrades to achieve this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DARWINIANS
As for Most Heroic Defense, I think it's not just how you setup your defense, but also how you have spent so much in toughening your defense and maxing these out for best results.
So the way I see it, you have to invest heavily to either or both to achieve these rewards. Resources (and gems) are spent. And IMO, rewards for both is just a small and simple way of giving back. I believe it won't hurt SC's real-life coffers.
Most of the time "Best Attack" is given to a low TH7 who went way above his pay grade and 2-starred a TH8. A TH8 that we needed to then waste another attack to rehit, when he could have just leveled a TH7 and helped us out. I try to instill every war that our mid/low tier only attack what they can 3-star, and if that means dropping significantly lower to something they're comfortable with, that's completely ok. I don't want some resource reward incentive totally bucking what we've tried to establish here while I see half our mid/low tier guys 1 and 2-starring bases way above them b/c they're trying to get the most heroic attack. The calculator for it is totally flawed as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freyrix
EDIT: I have no problem with rewarding for Most Heroic Defense though. As while the scenarios OzAudi stated does happen, and technically holding your base to 1-star after multiple hits is much more beneficial than shutting down a raid only to be 3-starred after it, at least the way it's figured makes sense per the attack used. You need to have a successful defense, and then weighted against the strongest offense relative to your base strength, compared to other successful defenses. At least it would encourage my members to constantly look for ways to improve their base, instead of setting it as a new TH6 and then never touching it again until TH7, TH8, and so on, regardless of how it fares each war.
In many cases this simply isn’t true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kennnnnnn
In the recent war I mentioned, Both clans Most Heroic Attack went to 3 star dragon attacks th7 on th7. Our #1, a th8 2 starred with GoWipe on a mid th9. All the enemy attacks 3 star attacks were full dragon on much lower bases. The fact our #1 achieved 2 stars helped us win.
You tell me who deserved Most Heroic Attack
The Most Heroic Defense in our clan went to a th5. Almost every attacking troops was killed by cc troops. Most attackers never made it into weapons range. The valk in his cc survived to the end and killed almost every single attacker. We joked about the white clouds sprinkled across the screen as the attackers died. Who deserves Most Heroic Defense, the base owner or the valk donator.
Or the #2 th8 that held off four attacks each time giving up the same one star ?
Most Heroic Attack and Defense are measured at an instance in time. They do not reflect the overall contribution to the outcome of a war.
Why should they be rewarded over and above anyone else ?
I only agree with the wall prices. 1 and 3 are ruled out, and 4 is unnecessary, plus I don't know what system they use to determine the best attacks and defenses, but the method is very inconsistent. I don't know how exactly walls could be balanced but it does seem weird that walls are like 4/5 of the total loot costs for a maxed base. Walls are way too overpriced, the health increase doesn't justify millions of gold that can take hours or days to acquire. This is especially true because in many raids, walls aren't even a factor. Most of the popular army comps bypass the walls, either using lavaloonion, or gowipe with 1-3 jump spells. Overall I think something should be done, maybe:
a) Add another perk to make upgrading walls more worthwhile
b) Lower the cost per wall. If I had to suggest new pricing I'd change skulls to 400k, legos to 800k, lavas to 1.5 mil and zaps to 2.5 mil.
c) Nerf army compositions that bypass the walls to make walls play more of a factor in defences
Hmmmnnn... Both deserved the award. But I would go for the dragonoid. You know why? What if the 3-starrer TH7 dragonoid did not attack at all? Do you think the clan would win?Quote:
Originally Posted by OzAudi
I don't know exactly how SC determines the Most Heroic Attack but if there's a need to fine-tune it to determine the most deserving, then I'm for it. The way I see it, 3 stars is the best contribution you can give to your clan because in clan war, stars are top priority over everything.
As for the Most Heroic Defense, it's the base owner of course. Did the Valkyrie donor design his base? No. He just donated Valkyrie and probably he was already thanked for it.
IMO, there might be a fine-tuning needed for both. I believe rewards for both recognition can still be given (while SC is tweaking the criteria for determining both) because efforts are worth recognizing and being rewarded after all.
I dont tho XDQuote:
Originally Posted by OzAudi
Anyone can oppose ,but I strongly support that best attack and best defence members must be properly rewarded.If not what is the difference between a member doing a normal attack (or defense)and a member doing the best attack(or defense)?.
If they are rewarded , it will encourage the other members of the clan to go all out and get the best out of them in future wars.
We always go all out. We always attack every base. We allocate both targets for every attacker.
The only stars we miss are in the highest bases and often we let people decide if they test their skills or loot on their second attack.
From the comments of others on the forum and in others clans during social visits, many do the same.
If you think a war base cc doesn’t contribute to.base defense, try a war without using them. In the example I gave, the weaponry killed a few archers and the donated cc troops did everything else.
Winning wars and the war loot bonus is the only encouragement people should need. If the proposed award is for encouragement of participants, it should go to everyone. My clan members already fight for the clan, not themselves.
Look hard at all attacks and defenses in your next few wars. Decide for yourself if Most Heroic really is Most Heroic. If it even isn’t one time, to implement a reward is wrong.
Whether or not their should be a reward is not really the issue. It‘s whether a real winner can be determined.
Wait a minute... Did I make war base Clan Castle look like it contributes less during war in my previous comment? I think I didn't. You're misleading others with that statement dude. I believe war base Clan Castle also plays a huge role in entire defense strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by OzAudi
Having rewards for both encourages internal competition which can greatly benefit the whole clan over time. It's something clan members can brag about and subliminally challenges other clan members to do better and shape up to be the next in line.
The way I see it, the parameters SC has considered in determining the Most Heroic Attack are the stars, fastest attack, and probably TH level (this I'm not so sure of, maybe something else).
This ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by OzAudi
It's hard to agree with ideas that are completly horribleQuote:
Originally Posted by SimonTheEpic
@OP 1 & 3 are ruled out 2 is useless, walls aren't that bad 4 Most Heroic is random.
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Originally Posted by OzAudi
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Originally Posted by Kennnnnnn
ln this case you did give very little credit to the cc troops and have ignored the fact this base survived solely due to cc troops. The th5 was later 3 starred (I mention this in my first post) by someone who.knew how to lure and kill cc troops. Same base, same cc, different attacker. Using your “what if it never happened” reference from one of your earlier posts, what if the first attacker never attacked and the base was 3 starred at the outset ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kennnnnnn
I’m not misleading anyone if they read the thread from beginning to end.
I really agree with these suggestions, the wall cost should be reduced and the troops should be refunded. People are disagreeing with you because some of the things are already ruled out but i agree
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Originally Posted by OzAudi
You don't get it bro. Giving an extra reward to the members doing best attack and defense is just like giving 'MOTM' award in cricket or other sports.Those are the persons who changed the war in favour of the winning clan.I don't see anything wrong about giving them an extra reward as a token of appreciation.
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Originally Posted by ArunDavid
You don’t get it.
They don’t measure what you think they do. I am not the only person who believes this. But I’m not going to bother convincing you, I just ask you search the forum, look at your own wars and have an open mind when you do.
So far I have just read “gimme more” regardless.
Instead of Supercell deciding who had the most heroic attack and defense, I think there should be a clan vote for one hour immediately after a war to determine the most heroic attack/defense in the clan. To determine the winners of each category, it would simply be whoever had the most votes from the people who participated in the war (Obvious). This would prevent abuse if the leader was to choose, as they would likely choose themselves for both categories. Awards would be based on Town Hall Level.
Room for favoritism/wrong choices...Quote:
Originally Posted by BarbarianMilitia
Waste of time and efforts...
Awards solely based on Town Hall level? Oh come on...