TH9 war matchup with TH10 fix

Currently the matchmaking system is still a mess if you ask our clan. We have a third bases at TH7, a few TH6, eight TH9, and the rest are TH8. We have no TH10s yet we get matched up with them most the time. It wasn't a big deal when we were maxed TH8s fighting a few TH9s, since xbows aren't overpowered. We could deal with them fine. But now we're having TH9s who are expected to take on Inferno towers which are really overpowered compared to everything else in the game. It destroys matchmaking. My plea is for you to let TH9s have freeze spells. It just isn't fair to expect anyone to take on infernos without a little help. We only have two ppl in our clan who seem to have decent luck hitting them, but when we get matchups against teams with yes 11 TH10s, it just isn't fair. Last war we had 6 to take on, and this war I was excited to see only 2 TH10s... until I saw that the top one was completely maxed aside from 1/3 of his walls were only lvl 11 and not blue like most the base (both heroes are lvl 40). Its ok though since his troops aren'tmaxed since the goblins are lvl 2 :P

Easy fix. Freeze for TH9s, or fix the matchmaking system. It's gotten worse in our experience over the last few weeks. As a leader its hard to keep people happy when the deck is stacked against us, so this weighs on me. The lower 10 often just give up and won't attack since everyone is so far above them. We have no rushed bases if that is a question, and everyone is required to max air defenses first.

Last suggestion - fix what is currently broken before adding new stuff.

Thanks for reading this post which was written in frustration. I know balance is really tough to create.

Currently the matchmaking system takes not only into account TH level, but walls, troop level, heroes, defenses etc. This means that a maxed TH9 could equal an average TH10 (this could explain part of your supposed problem.) However, it is obvious that the matchmaking system isn't perfect, in fact, it's quite flawed.

Basically, the way it works, is the first 5-10 minutes within its search it tries to find an equal opponent. After these 5-10 minutes, if it is unsuccessful, it'll try a bit more variety (basically more chance at a slightly more uneven match.) If this doesn't succeed after 5-10 minutes, it'll increase even more, and so on.

In other words, the longer the search, the more probability it'll be uneven. To prevent this slightly, try resetting the search every 5-15 minutes.

As to your main idea, I disagree that TH9s should have access to freeze spells. TH10s get a significant loot penalty, and TH8 to TH9 is already an insanely big and beneficial jump.

I think we have experienced this as well, especially during clan wars. We have to adjust our strategies because sometimes, we get a mismatch. Usually it's with TH9 and TH10 setup. I'm not sure if they're continuously fine-tuning this process of matchmaking, but I guess new parameters have to be considered to find the best match for you or your clan.

Definitely agree that something needs to be done about the matching system here... We have often experienced poor matches with all sorts of composition of bases and troops. War matching seems to be very random at the moment!

something may need to be done yes but giving TH9 a freeze and extra spell - now that is overpowering... that's not a solution that would create bigger problems. There has been talk of pekka lvl 4 to th9 which I would lean towards (but there are still arguments against that as well) before mucking around with spells.

The simplest script would be how many infernos each clan has to be included into the search criteria, i would think that alone would start to get even matches. But even that is not a guarentee, I could be a max th10 all but have infernos, so I have maxed troops and conventional defences - even that is far more overpowering.

That being said decent TH9s have been known to 2* TH10s with infernos so I think it also requires a bit of practice, so in short I think start having a go at people above you, before infernos people were terrified ox x-bows, now not so much - the same will happen with infernos.

A war just started and I'm a mid TH9 against a maxed TH10. FML.

Consider a TH6 base, and then consider the exact same base, except that the TH is now upgraded to TH10. But nothing else has been upgraded: spell factory, barracks, walls, defenses, troops are still the same. I consider it obvious that these two bases should receive the exact same score in the war matchmaking system (except possibly for the fact that a TH10 building has more hit points than a TH6 building, but this is a negligible change).

This seems not to be the case, however. When I scout the bases of the enemy at the beginning of the war, I routinely see crappy TH10s ranked above very solid TH9s. This should not be the case: the difficulty of a base should decrease from top to bottom. Right now, the difficulty of the bases of a given TH level decreases from top to bottom, but comparing bases of different TH levels yields unpredictable results.

Yeah, I'm not saying TH9 should get a fifth spell at all. Yes that would be OP. But if you look at the gains at hitting TH9 vs TH10, it's insanely different. The xbow is your new defense for TH9, and when maxed out you get the same dps as an archer tower but with more range and a faster swing timer (it shoots faster). So it's definitely better than an archer tower, but not hugely so. People originally look at them and think they are amazing until they read the tooltips and see what the dps really is. But then you look at Inferno towers and find that a lvl 1 tower is a big leap above any maxed defense in the game, and then it can get upgraded to 3. It does great dps PLUS an instant swing timer PLUS a healing debuff which lasts for two seconds after the unit isn't being hit by the inferno. On top of how OP it is, you have all the existing buildings getting upgraded once or twice, plus the extra ones you get, and you have a huge dangerous soup to trudge through in order to get to these infernos that are melting you down.

You could make an equivalency point system for all these different buildings, but it would be so highly subjective that nobody would be able to agree on it. The best argument one can make is through experience. And our experience is that a TH9 with a max trooped army has very little chance of a star against a maxed TH10, which is what our current war has given us. Our luck against rushed TH10s with lvl 3 infernos averages out to probably slightly less than one star per attack. But a non rushed on up to a maxed base just tears us up. This is coming from what I believe is a very solid clan, that attacks very well. When the matchup is even, we almost always win. I can only think of 2 wars in the last 75 that we lost because they attacked better than us and the match was good. But those even matches don't come very often as of late. We queue at what seems like a high traffic time, at 6pm central time US. We get a lot of matches with China and South Korea though which is really early for them...

I'd like to hear from other people who have to attack up like this. It's one thing to say my views are bad, but its another to say that you are a TH9 and have great attacks against these bases. From my experience, I see three paths that could happen. 1 - Fix matchmaking (PLEASE). 2 - Give TH9s Freeze or nerf Infernos. 3 - People in clans like mine will continue to be frustrated and some will move on to other games.

TH9S should not have freeze, if that's the point of your thread. If your top guys are about max th9, they should be able to 2 star a th10 who has lvl 1 infernos. If you're getting max th10s and you don't have any th10s, that's an awful matchup and you're screwed

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Originally Posted by reddy4u2

TH9S should not have freeze, if that's the point of your thread. If your top guys are about max th9, they should be able to 2 star a th10 who has lvl 1 infernos. If you're getting max th10s and you don't have any th10s, that's an awful matchup and you're screwed

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Yes, that's the point of my thread. As I think of fights against other TH9s, I'm not convinced I would be using freeze spell over rage, so from my standpoint it doesn't seem like it would break anything. But if it would break everything that would of course be bad. But in my mind stuff is pretty broken already. Which is worse? I don't know.