Is it time to revise how long battles last?

I think it's pretty rare that you run out of time with significant troops still alive in most war attack strategies. Lavaloon, hogs, mass drag at lower levels - usually you 3 star within 2.5 minutes or fail well before then. The only exception are the Golem based attacks. It seems to happen fairly often that the clock runs out with some troops still doing their cleanup. But that could just be a tradeoff you have to make.

That being said, there's no more epic attack ending than that mad rush to get the last builder hut in the corner as the clock ticks down, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... So I like the idea of the clock sometimes being a factor.

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Originally Posted by herranton

We don't need more time. DPS has gone up alongside of hitpoints. Before we had a DPS of 6 vs 6 hp. Now we have 8dps vs 8hp. If you simply look at the hitpoints of the buildings, sure it seems we need more time. But the troops we have now can destroy more buildings in the same amount of time. Heck, I think that the troops have gone up even faster than building hp, so maybe we should look at lowering the battle time to 2:30.

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Can you share a replay that would prove you can destroy a maxed th9 or th10 war base in under 2:30?

And yes I think we have established the fact the th8 and lower have no problem with the current battle time, this conversation is totally based on the th9 and th10 bases time.

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Originally Posted by Jrod2423

Can you share a replay that would prove you can destroy a maxed th9 or th10 war base in under 2:30?

And yes I think we have established the fact the th8 and lower have no problem with the current battle time, this conversation is totally based on the th9 and th10 bases time.

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As a th10, i have little problems crushing a max th9 in under 2:30. (Shatered laloon, goho). As for a max th10 in under 230, that is something different entirely. It should be hard to get 3 stars on a th10, an it is. 230 would probably be pretty much the minimum time needed. BUT my overall point still stands. As hitpoints have gone up, so has dps. Therefore the time needed has stayed the same. There is no need to add time (or subtract time) from the timer.

Dont take 1 part of my post and blow it all out of proportion. I simply said that it should be decreased in order to reinforce the idea that the game has remained balanced dps/hp/time wise. Im sure you could figure it out with math to see if this is, in fact, the case; but it certainly feels balanced. I dont think i have run out of time in a very long time. Some people in my clan do. Generally because theykill the cc troops or deploy their troops too slowly. (It sounds like you fall in this category).

You could go to the wiki and see if dps has risen proportional to hp. If it has, we dont need more time. If it hasnt, then maybe we need a rebalance or time added. You are the one requesting more time, so you need to provide the proof. The op is just wild speculation without hard numbers.

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Originally Posted by herranton

As a th10, i have little problems crushing a max th9 in under 2:30. (Shatered laloon, goho). As for a max th10 in under 230, that is something different entirely. It should be hard to get 3 stars on a th10, an it is. 230 would probably be pretty much the minimum time needed. BUT my overall point still stands. As hitpoints have gone up, so has dps. Therefore the time needed has stayed the same. There is no need to add time (or subtract time) from the timer.

Dont take 1 part of my post and blow it all out of proportion. I simply said that it should be decreased in order to reinforce the idea that the game has remained balanced dps/hp/time wise. Im sure you could figure it out with math to see if this is, in fact, the case; but it certainly feels balanced. I dont think i have run out of time in a very long time. Some people in my clan do. Generally because theykill the cc troops or deploy their troops too slowly. (It sounds like you fall in this category).

You could go to the wiki and see if dps has risen proportional to hp. If it has, we dont need more time. If it hasnt, then maybe we need a rebalance or time added. You are the one requesting more time, so you need to provide the proof. The op is just wild speculation without hard numbers.

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I'm not tryin to blow your post out of proportion, I'm just tryin to believe that you say you can take out a maxed th9 in under 2:30 in war. I totally believe it in raids because I can do that, but I don't believe under 2:30 in war

Don't consider everybody thinks the only reason we need time is due to increased defenses. My point to this conversation is dealing with war attacks only, and that very high hp resource storages make no difference in war and need absolutely no protection unlike in normal battles(this is my proof there is no penalty if they are destroyed in war), which changes the way you set up defense and the way you have to attack, and time should be accounted for ONLY IN WAR. I have absolutely no problem taking out a maxed or near maxed th9 in raid battles, but war is where the problem is at.

It would b nice but I don't find it nessary for more time just need a better attack strat even most maxed th10 can b 3* if useing the right troop composition with spells. Just better planing and deployment is needed. Not to rain on anyone's parade. Just my thoughts

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Originally Posted by Jrod2423

I'm not tryin to blow your post out of proportion, I'm just tryin to believe that you say you can take out a maxed th9 in under 2:30 in war. I totally believe it in raids because I can do that, but I don't believe under 2:30 in war

Don't consider everybody thinks the only reason we need time is due to increased defenses. My point to this conversation is dealing with war attacks only, and that very high hp resource storages make no difference in war and need absolutely no protection unlike in normal battles(this is my proof there is no penalty if they are destroyed in war), which changes the way you set up defense and the way you have to attack, and time should be accounted for ONLY IN WAR. I have absolutely no problem taking out a maxed or near maxed th9 in raid battles, but war is where the problem is at.

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A three star is a three star on both war bases and non-war bases. Both have the same amount of hitpoints... More time won't help you at all. You can't say that the warbase have more hp so they take longer, that is dumb. People generally put more thought into their warbase, and you need to put more thought into your attack. If I can do it in under 3 minutes, there is no reason you can't.... Also, there are relatively new videos on yt that are sub-2 minute th10 kills...in war. There is one mass witch war attack that happens in 1:47. Sure, you can pick it apart, but MANY people!e are three staring th9s and 10s in war. If people weren't, I would be right there with you, bit they are.

You should definitely be using those high hp storages to your advantage on your warbase. Troops take a long time to destroy them and if you have a lot of defenses in range, you can take out a lot of troops.

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Originally Posted by herranton

Troops take a long time to destroy them and if you have a lot of defenses in range, you can take out a lot of troops.

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No really? You don't say.

This is exactly the point I'm trying to make. If you have the extra time to pull the cc troops, and then deal with the storages with a couple of troops compared to just dumping them all at once and letting the defenses pick them off while they try to complete both of these tasks at the same time then you will have a better set up to take a base, although it's still not a guarantee that you'll get three stars but it's a better chance then just dumping a bunch of units and hoping they don't get picked off

The problem with changing the time is that the game would be severely altered giving an advantage to attackers. Every time Supercell updates they take into account the time limit and how a new building, new troop, new upgrade or whatever it is will affect a battle outcome. Timing is just as important to a 3 star as the troops used. If you look at a majority of the most powerful troops in the game such as dragons, golems, pekkas, giants, (basically whatever has high hit points and can do damage in groups) they are all fairly slow movement wise or attack slowly. Why? Because a mass army of these can do serious damage. Look at lower TH levels who use all giants and healers. They can easily wipe out all the defenses but anyone who uses all giants has a very hard time 3 starring because the time limit will run out before the horde of giants can finish the base. This is just a small scale example and I'm sure you can all picture the bigger examples. The point is the time limit is strategy driven and of that is altered at all the whole game strategy will be altered. It may be something to look at in the future but understand with more time there would be more defenses in future updates. Everything has an effect and so would this.

The last 30 seconds reduction in attack has been an advantage for "average" players.
Now Supercell provides the same stars with 50% destruction included the town hall (because you were lucky) than a 98% destruction because of lack of time and there is a big difference: strategy in the second exemple was well achieved.
I am a th9 and fighting against other th9 these 30 seconds are the difference between a good strategy and luck.

I really think that Supercell should award players who are able to settle a good strategy in the game (it could be not perfect, but a good one) in front of these whose strategy was not correct.

Please, go again to the 3:30 in attacks

Oh please do not give in for these players screaming about 30 sec more in attacks. No TH9 or below need the ekstra 30 sec, It's just bad planing if they cant end the attack within the 3 minutes.