Is it time to revise how long battles last?

Though I made a few comments on some other threads about this issue, I feel it is necessary to present the argument here in its own proper thread.

When battle time was set to 3 mins the highest TH was TH8, there was no 4th mortar, no 4th air defence, no air sweeper, no skeleton traps, no level 12 collectors and mines etc. So, over the course of the previous years many additions were made to the game in the form of new buildings, new traps, and increased hitpoints of existing buildings. True, the hitpoints of a few buildings were reduced, but the overall effect was definitely an increase of the total number of hitpoints of the base and of the complexity of the game.

I agree that the addition of each new feature has a minimal/negligible effect on battle time. The cumulative effect of all of them, however, is now noticeable. 3 mins used to be a very comfortable length of time to destroy a base completely, provided you had a sound strategy, but not any more.

Is it not time SC increased battle time to 3min 30 sec or something? Yes, I know that many of you think that whoever fails to 3 star a base within the window of time allowed should have come up with a better strategy, but that is not my point here. My point is that bases have gotten bigger and stronger, and it should be as comfortable timewise to destroy a base today as it was two years ago.

What do you think?

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Originally Posted by kdrakakis

Though I made a few comments on some other threads about this issue, I feel it is necessary to present the argument here in its own proper thread.

When battle time was set to 3 mins the highest TH was TH8, there was no 4th mortar, no 4th air defence, no air sweeper, no skeleton traps, no level 12 collectors and mines etc. So, over the course of the previous years many additions were made to the game in the form of new buildings, new traps, and increased hitpoints of existing buildings. True, the hitpoints of a few buildings were reduced, but the overall effect was definitely an increase of the total number of hitpoints of the base and of the complexity of the game.

I agree that the addition of each new feature has a minimal/negligible effect on battle time. The cumulative effect of all of them, however, is now noticeable. 3 mins used to be a very comfortable length of time to destroy a base completely, provided you had a sound strategy, but not any more.

Is it not time SC increased battle time to 3min 30 sec or something? Yes, I know that many of you think that whoever fails to 3 star a base within the window of time allowed should have come up with a better strategy, but that is not my point here. My point is that bases have gotten bigger and stronger, and it should be as comfortable timewise to destroy a base today as it was two years ago.

What do you think?

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I vote no, there have been no additonal walls so realistically those additional buildings are outside of walls although obviously the defences are behind walls but something would have to come out to be put in it's place. The map hasn't been enlarged, it is still possible to either 3 star within the time or your army to get wiped out within 3 minutes so nothing has much changed in the grand scheme of things don't forget we have had new troops and troop upgrade levels as well in the space of these updates.

If you really read those other threads, you would have seen posts that also mentioned troops and spells. Along with the increase in defensive capabilities, there has been a corresponding increase in offensive capabilities with each th expansion in the form of new troops and spells, higher level troops and spells, larger cc and larger camps.

Adding to increased offensive capabilities at a given th, there are many lower th that routinely defeat higher th. So the argument that bases are bigger therefore we need more time, simply does not hold water.

Sure sometimes things get pear shaped and attacks fail. But there are far more times when people complete a three star attack well within the allocated time.

No. There is no need to increase battle time.

I am not sure I agree with this statement. For example, the introduction of the air sweeper or the skeleton traps was certainly not followed by any increase in offensive power.

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Originally Posted by kdrakakis

I am not sure I agree with this statement. For example, the introduction of the air sweeper or the skeleton traps was certainly not followed by any increase in offensive power.

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Actually the air sweeper was brought in AFTER troop changes. You have looked at from the offense pov not defense.

Very minor compared to your initial comparison of increased th levels.
A few people already have surviving pumpkin bombs and santa surprise too. But these are also minor.

Healers are immune to air bombs now. All manner of troops have been buffed and nerfed. Some like hounds have been added to th9.

SC clearly wants to juggle buildings and troops in preference to altering time allocation.

I find it a good idea, and very logical but 30 seconds is too much, they should add 5 or 10 seconds to compensate new building like new morter etc..

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Originally Posted by kdrakakis

I am not sure I agree with this statement. For example, the introduction of the air sweeper or the skeleton traps was certainly not followed by any increase in offensive power.

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Before they introduced the air sweeper, I routinely saw sub 2 minute 3 stars on TH9's with lavaloon. We now do a cc pull, use barbs to pull cc troops to corner, bloon drop on the troops, and then lavaloon with plenty of time within the 3 minute mark on TH9's. TH10's have it a bit harder, but our main 3 star option against TH10's is shattered laloon and if it goes right there's plenty of time. If it goes wrong, the amount of time means nothing, so no the time should not be increased. If you want to argue that the 3 minute time was originally set for the game when TH8 was maxed and now there are new buildings/defenses, also consider that there is an archer queen and heroes go to 40 now which is plenty of increase to offensive dps to compensate for anything added since the days of TH8's ruling the game.

I would think its ok to add time, but do it based on Townhall level, and only in war. Add 10 seconds to TH9, 20 seconds (total of 3:20) to TH10. TH8 I think is fine as is. I've got a few 99% as a TH8, and I wished there was more time, but I see a need to keep it balanced.

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Originally Posted by kdrakakis

Though I made a few comments on some other threads about this issue, I feel it is necessary to present the argument here in its own proper thread.

When battle time was set to 3 mins the highest TH was TH8, there was no 4th mortar, no 4th air defence, no air sweeper, no skeleton traps, no level 12 collectors and mines etc. So, over the course of the previous years many additions were made to the game in the form of new buildings, new traps, and increased hitpoints of existing buildings. True, the hitpoints of a few buildings were reduced, but the overall effect was definitely an increase of the total number of hitpoints of the base and of the complexity of the game.

I agree that the addition of each new feature has a minimal/negligible effect on battle time. The cumulative effect of all of them, however, is now noticeable. 3 mins used to be a very comfortable length of time to destroy a base completely, provided you had a sound strategy, but not any more.

Is it not time SC increased battle time to 3min 30 sec or something? Yes, I know that many of you think that whoever fails to 3 star a base within the window of time allowed should have come up with a better strategy, but that is not my point here. My point is that bases have gotten bigger and stronger, and it should be as comfortable timewise to destroy a base today as it was two years ago.

What do you think?

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Are you suggesting that Supercell should have come up with a counter-balance to all these new defensive structures and levels of structures, traps, and walls since TH8? Such as new heroes, higher army camp/cc capacity, more/new spells and stronger/higher level troops to go along with them? Because I agree!

I'm tired of having to use my TH10 with 200 camp space, 3 spells, no AQ and L5 elixir troops to only be able to 1 or 2-star TH9s due to timing out at the end!
/sarcasm

Seriously? Our GoHoggers finish maxed out TH9 bases in 2 minutes flat, in fact our #10 in war (a mid-level TH9) just 3-starred their #4 (the top TH9 in their clan) w/ 10 seconds to spare using dragons, 3 heals/1 rage and a cc of balloons. Dragons, dude. Dragons. Come on. You cannot possible think that there is any issue with the current system. I have yet to consistently 3-star maxed/near maxed TH10s, but it hasn't been due to time alone yet, but instead amateur troop/spell deployment & timing on my part.

Like others said above I only agree with this in war, because when the time was set it was set before war, the time for raiding is fine but the difference between a war and raid base is the protection of defenses/resources, in a raid base your resource are protected and the defenses can be dealt with in the time allotted, but in war the resources don't matter so they are not protected and take up troops time trying to attack them while defenses crush them. So maybe supercell should look at changing the war battle time limit for that reason and not because of the buildings they've added to the game