Teslas to defend DE from lightning spells?

I think that Supercell should implement something to defend your DE from the people that lightning spell it. Either make it not take as much damage from lightning or make the teslas somehow deflect the lightning to somewhere else or something along those lines. Anyone else think that something like this should be added!?

zapping is a part of the game. Get over it

I will quote my self once again.

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Originally Posted by Deadtoast15

Hey guess what! I don't care if I get zapped or not! I am going to raid again later so I will just earn it back. I zap they zap me. I raid normally for de. I get zapped some more. Few raid me for real for my de. Guess what! It doesn't matter. If you raid enough you will earn it back very easily. Now quit begging for them to stop zapping and just deal with it already.

I enjoy getting zapped because it does not bother me.

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I think that if this were implemented people could place their DE storages strategically in places that might be lightning spelled making it impossibe to use lightning spells on certain areas of the base. However, if this were to only protect the storage itself then it could work. But another perspective is that you yourself could zap DE. Its not like you're the only one who's getting zapped. It's part of the game.

What if the tesla's captured & stored the Lightning? Maybe they store a certain amount depending on their level, & once full they don't attract the Lightning anymore so the rest does damage to everything else as normal?

if we are really lucky the stored lightning can be used to boost the damage it does until the stored energy is used up.

Still a bad idea. Every time. Because . . . I'll just leave this hear . . . again.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

. . . First you must understand that zapping is very inefficient for ALL players. For the amount of elixir it costs and time it takes to build all of those lightning spells you could very easily get a boatload more DE with a decent army and attack strategy. This is simple fact supported by elementary school math and years of gameplay proof. For this reason zapping is self-punitive. So why then would anybody do it? There are two basic reasons why people zap.

The first is because they are TH7 or late TH8 and have way more elixir than they can use. They also do not need heal, freeze, rage or jump spells to farm effectively. Add those two factors together and you get prime conditions for spending elixir in wasteful ways and a reason to have lightning spells ready to use at all. Add those two factors together and ANY dark elixir they can get from lightning ends up being a good use of their elixir and time. They can't do anything else with their elixir and have no practical use for spells anyway. TH9-10 on the other hand need both their elixir and a spell or two for attacking other TH9s and TH10s. All of a sudden wasting elixir, time and space on lightning spells actually hurts your gameplay. More about this later.

The second main reason people zap is good old fashion revenge. Almost the ONLY time that zapping is efficient as a TH9 or TH10 is when you have somebody on your revenge list with a full DE storage and you have excess elixir that you can justify burning. You may not want to have a full army sitting around purpose built for the moment you can revenge them so instead you continue farming and keep 3 or 4 lightning spells on hand just incase they are available to revenge. Eventually you get your sweet reward. TH7 and TH8 however have a very different reason for zapping revenge. Keeping in mind that it makes sense for them to zap in the first place, they have another factor to consider. TH9s and TH10s artificially drop trophies so that they can farm easier bases. They do this for the logical economic reasons that a cheap/fast army can get lots of loot and because there is a much lower chance of somebody strong enough to take it finding you before your TH gets sniped. That's right, as a TH9 or TH10 you get to have ALL weaker villages that have zero chance of revenging you effectively on your log AND you are surrounded by them giving you cheap shields quickly. You are INVINCIBLE!!! There's nothing those weaklings can do to stop you!!! MUAHAHAHA!!! . . . except zap the snot out of your DE.

That's right. The ONLY drawback to farming is that those puny little weaklings you have been picking on all along can zap you. It's the ONLY bad thing about farming. Without that you would be able to play completely risk free. Your loot would be safely removed from the economy because nobody could get to it. It would be AWSOME . . . except that the very concept of being invincible and able to hide all of your loot is game breaking. Nobody should ever be safe from attack and nobody should be able to hide all of their loot. Ever. Zapping is the only reason you might want to consider moving up in trophies to play where your TH9-TH10 counterparts exist without artificially dropping trophies.

Which brings us back to the "move up in trophies" response that you discredit so vehemently. Remember when I mentioned that TH9's and TH10's rarely benefit from zapping? That is why moving up in trophies works. Heck, zapping encourages you to move up in trophies. If you WANT to hang out where zapping is effective you should be zapped and often. You are choosing to sandbag so you can pick on the easy targets. I'm not saying that is a bad thing. I do it too and I should be zapped for it. I could do the "honorable" thing and move up in trophies but I choose not to for the same reason you do. Because when I log off I would rather loose 1000 DE to a zapper, or even 3000 DE to three zappers than loose 300k gold, 300k elixir and 3000 DE to the first attack that comes along. Getting zapped and snipped is VERY beneficial.

There are of course a few TH9s and TH10s who do not understand basic math and zap aggressively like they learned to do at TH7. They are their own worst enemy. Wasting their own time and resources, thus slowing their own progression. As Ron White so eloquently put it, "You can't fix stupid." Altering game play to compensate for a very small % of players who are of below average gaming ability is just bad policy at face value. They are already punishing themselves even if they don't realize it. They are certainly not a good or justifiable reason to compromise the health of the game.

In sort, if SC made it possible for you to get all the loot you wanted with no risk of loss they would call the game Hay Day. In a game like CoC nobody should be safe beyond their shield. Ever. Zapping is the only thing that makes danger at every level possible. It is good for the health of the game BECAUSE you don't like it. . .

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But also by that logic shields shouldn't exist either as it lets players accumulate resources without fear of attack for 12+ hours when all they did was left their Th undefended so they can get a long shield.

everything in the game seems to have a counter against it except for the Lightning spell.

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Originally Posted by FairlyBad

But also by that logic shields shouldn't exist either as it lets players accumulate resources without fear of attack for 12+ hours when all they did was left their Th undefended so they can get a long shield.

everything in the game seems to have a counter against it except for the Lightning spell.

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Two things break the CoC game model. 1) not enough resources to loot, 2) loosing multiple hours of game play as soon as you log off. Shields must exist to keep #2 in check. Bases must be vulnerable for the economy to exist. They are counterpoints to the same dynamic that need to be kept in balance. Just like zapping is the counterpoint to drop-n-farm. It is the ONLY counterpoint to drop-n-farm and since farming is still such a good idea one could argue that zapping is not effective enough.

Just make an anti-zap base.

loving the poll results XD

I launched the same concept a few days ago. With more detail. You should read it...

Although it is a good idea, it probably won't make it into the game... I don't care.

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Originally Posted by hawdog

loving the poll results XD

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lol. And btw, how do you add the little information at the bottom of your post, where it says your clan description? where you put kimchi, co-leader of Infamous MUSCLE | TH10 | Lvl139

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Originally Posted by Victor1234567890

lol. And btw, how do you add the little information at the bottom of your post, where it says your clan description? where you put kimchi, co-leader of Infamous MUSCLE | TH10 | Lvl139

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Then add your signature.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

zapping is not effective enough.

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CONFIRMED: Lightning Buff in the next update.

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Originally Posted by AxionXD

CONFIRMED: Lightning Buff in the next update.

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At least somebody noticed.:thumbsup:

I would revenge someone if they drop lightning spells on my de. No point for SC to fix this.

Zapping is part of the game. There's nothing wrong with it.

I always revenge when somebody zapp my DE. But its part of the game so i dont think they will change it

It's not that there's anything wrong with zapping, it's that it appears to be the one attack that doesn't have a counter. All the toons have a weakness so the really tough ones take extra damage from a certain defence etc yet the lightning bolt has no counter.

2100 de available when they raid me. (yikes)
They zap and get 700(ish) whew glad they didn't attack for real (noobs)
They take my th too (yeah I get a free shield for 12 hrs)
My collectors make 1080 de in 12 hours (I'm 300 ahead now from where I was) (L3 de elixer drills Im a th8)
My shield expires..
I build a cool army and waste their base. You know how many times I've got 1500 or 2k de on a revenge like this? Lots lately.

Leave the system as it is! LOL. I have 62K de right now and am ready to upgrade Golems to L2. What exactly is the problem here? I voted NO.

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Originally Posted by AxionXD

CONFIRMED: Lightning Buff in the next update.

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What do you mean?

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Just make an anti-zap base.

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this post made my day, thank you, Goobers !!!

Have Fun
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Originally Posted by FairlyBad

What if the tesla's captured & stored the Lightning? Maybe they store a certain amount depending on their level, & once full they don't attract the Lightning anymore so the rest does damage to everything else as normal?

if we are really lucky the stored lightning can be used to boost the damage it does until the stored energy is used up.

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Or it could blow up

True. Sacrifice the tesla rather than de etc.,would possibly alter the attack of the base in that players drop lightning bolts to draw out & possibly overcharge the tesla so it explodes then they can dump troops in that direction.

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Originally Posted by alicevirgin

or it could blow up

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allahu akbar!!

It's not true that zapping is self-punitive. At my level mid-TH9 cooking four lightning spells costs 80k elixir. I have about 35k dark elixir in my storage that I don't consider to be much. I got zapped for 940 units of de. For 10k units of elixir this zapper was able to "buy" ~118 units of de. Maxed out elixir collectors produce total of 21k elixir per hour and maxed out drills yield 200 de per hour, a "natural" ratio of 95 dark elixir to 10k elixir. Zapping has a higher ratio of 118 (in this particular case) compared to the "natural" ratio of 95.

The zapper did leave 1036 units of de, so he didn't get even half of the potential, with a good attack there would have been a good chance of getting it all, but that is risky and risks are part of the game. The problem with zapping is that it is what economists would call an arbitrage - yield with ZERO RISK.

No problem, the zapper was a looser with a weaker base and I would have been absolutely delighted to take a revenge - fair and square! ..BUT! Out of all the 37 defences in my log 29 had active shield, 7 were online and only ONE was attackable, and that one was not the zapper :-(

The rational thing to do would be to start zapping myself, but I do not want to spread this plaque!

Maybe we should all just leave our Th undefended, zap attack &/or just drop 1 or 2 toons every battle. I.e join the majority of players

those that say zapping is part of the game & people should just suck it up are also the ones who protest vehemently on any thread suggesting lowering the shields or allowing revenge attacks to bypass the shields.

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Originally Posted by erantala

It's not true that zapping is self-punitive. At my level mid-TH9 cooking four lightning spells costs 80k elixir. I have about 35k dark elixir in my storage that I don't consider to be much. I got zapped for 940 units of de. For 10k units of elixir this zapper was able to "buy" ~118 units of de. Maxed out elixir collectors produce total of 21k elixir per hour and maxed out drills yield 200 de per hour, a "natural" ratio of 95 dark elixir to 10k elixir. Zapping has a higher ratio of 118 (in this particular case) compared to the "natural" ratio of 95.

The zapper did leave 1036 units of de, so he didn't get even half of the potential, with a good attack there would have been a good chance of getting it all, but that is risky and risks are part of the game. The problem with zapping is that it is what economists would call an arbitrage - yield with ZERO RISK.

No problem, the zapper was a looser with a weaker base and I would have been absolutely delighted to take a revenge - fair and square! ..BUT! Out of all the 37 defences in my log 29 had active shield, 7 were online and only ONE was attackable, and that one was not the zapper :-(

The rational thing to do would be to start zapping myself, but I do not want to spread this plaque!

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Using the passive generation rate of collectors isn't the only way to look at if it's worth it though. Gold and elixir produce at the same rate. As an established TH7/8, would you consider two exact same TH8 bases (in layout and defense level), one offering 300k/100k in storages and the other offering 100k/300k in storages, to be equally appealing? No, b/c you're totally capped out on elixir and even if you're not, you have no need for it at this point while gold is a desired resource. Heck, you'd still take a base with 200k/100k over one with 100k/300k as it has 100k more of the resource you strongly prefer over the other.

Now this can still work to make zapping "worth it" to the attacker, such as in my case as a TH10. I farm in champs with GoArch, and I need only to make lightning spells to ensure I get the 50% if my GoArch or backup heroes can't get it. Sometimes oil storages are placed only one layer in, and I can get them with good GoArch and hero placement and still get the 50%, but other times there's one offering 3k and it's packed in the core, but the base is an easy 50% and the gold/elixir storages are in areas I can nab or collectors are 1/4th full or something profitable. Well then I'll dump all my lightning on the oil storage as I don't have any use for elixir other than walls at the moment (which I personally don't care about), and my spell factory and hero altars are boosted so I'll have 2, possibly 3 lightning spells ready to go in 22-25 min for my next GoArch attack.

Thought I'd play devil's advocate, showing how zapping isn't totally non-profitable in some situations, but also wanted to make sure that using the natural generation of resources is not the way to compare if things are "worth it or not, end of discussion."

the poll is pretty clear, might be different if people used one post for all the zapper posts instead of just making a new one EVERY BLOOMIN DAY!!!!!!!

Here's an idea: if the teslas take the zap, there's a 75% chance that the tesla explodes and gives your attacker ALL of your DE?

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Using the passive generation rate of collectors isn't the only way to look at if it's worth it though. Gold and elixir produce at the same rate. As an established TH7/8, would you consider two exact same TH8 bases (in layout and defense level), one offering 300k/100k in storages and the other offering 100k/300k in storages, to be equally appealing? No, b/c you're totally capped out on elixir and even if you're not, you have no need for it at this point while gold is a desired resource. Heck, you'd still take a base with 200k/100k over one with 100k/300k as it has 100k more of the resource you strongly prefer over the other.

Now this can still work to make zapping "worth it" to the attacker, such as in my case as a TH10. I farm in champs with GoArch, and I need only to make lightning spells to ensure I get the 50% if my GoArch or backup heroes can't get it. Sometimes oil storages are placed only one layer in, and I can get them with good GoArch and hero placement and still get the 50%, but other times there's one offering 3k and it's packed in the core, but the base is an easy 50% and the gold/elixir storages are in areas I can nab or collectors are 1/4th full or something profitable. Well then I'll dump all my lightning on the oil storage as I don't have any use for elixir other than walls at the moment (which I personally don't care about), and my spell factory and hero altars are boosted so I'll have 2, possibly 3 lightning spells ready to go in 22-25 min for my next GoArch attack.

Thought I'd play devil's advocate, showing how zapping isn't totally non-profitable in some situations, but also wanted to make sure that using the natural generation of resources is not the way to compare if things are "worth it or not, end of discussion."

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ima goarch me some resources now, thanks for the tip. In the words of that guy in The Great Escape - "it's so stupid it's positively brilliant"

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Originally Posted by Goobers

Just make an anti-zap base.

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this post made my day, thank you, Goobers !!!

Have Fun
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Glad I could get at least one chuckle out of it :D

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Originally Posted by ironagedave

ima goarch me some resources now, thanks for the tip. In the words of that guy in The Great Escape - "it's so stupid it's positively brilliant"

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Yo, read these threads if you're not privy to the GoArch strategy so that you're attacking ever 22-25 min. You'll need a buddy or a mini account to donate you the other Golem each time. Best of luck!

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...oArch-Strategy
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-Loot-Analysis