New Co Leader Role- ENFORCER

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June 5th, 2015
kingbeezy1988

New Co Leader Role- ENFORCER

Ok, we recently had some issues in our clan with a couple of rotten apples. A guy who is a good friend of ours and has played with us for a year or so brought a couple of clashers to join (very high lvl; 120+). These new guys didnt seem half bad (even brought their second accounts to the clan) and warred with us a few times with no issues whatsoever. They had nice donation ratios and were loyal to the cause, so they were promoted to Co Leader. Keep in mind we were a 50 person clan with a very solid core of people we trusted thru loyalty.

WAR STARTED THIS MORNING

Low and behold, this morning, while leaving my job to come home I got 3 back to back clan mails, all within a couple minutes of each other. I log on to find that these two guys have began kicking members and elders (even those in war) out of the clan. They were also changing the clan settings and adding offensive language to the description. Opened up the clan to ANYONE CAN JOIN and our clan became flooded with newbies instantly.

Now, me being a co leader I was safe from being kicked, but I was powerless against the two co leaders who could do what they wanted. It became a war of opening and closing the clan, kicking and having people rejoin instantly. I eventually had to contact the leader thru facebook, whom at the time was at his job. He came online and handled the culprits and the clan was smooth again.

BUT, I said all that to suggest this idea.

There should be a new ENFORCER position, whereas a co leader whom the LEADER trusts the most or whom the leader can deem as the most active member, can empower this co leader with the ability to act as the leader in his/her absence. Can kick or demote other co leaders, etc.

Kinda sad that I had to sit and watch these clowns destroy my clan during war day, while waiting a very long time for my leader to get online because he has a life.
June 5th, 2015
CaptainSport

Then the enforcer will kick all the co leaders and then you will need a head enforcer, right?
June 5th, 2015
kingbeezy1988

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Originally Posted by CaptainSport

Then the enforcer will kick all the co leaders and then you will need a head enforcer, right?

You sir missed the entire point of what the role was comprised of. I stated that the LEADER would give the role to a CO LEADER HE TRUSTED ABOVE ANYONE ELSE IN THE CLAN. So obviously this person wouldnt do that.
June 5th, 2015
LukeNQ

Life lesson. Don't give coleader to anyone you don't trust 100%
June 5th, 2015
kingbeezy1988

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Originally Posted by LukeNQ

Life lesson. Don't give coleader to anyone you don't trust 100%

Life lesson: Understand the problem before you try to give a solution.

As a player in a clan, you have no control over what another person does. A trusted co leader thats been in the clan for a while might be having a bad day, week, etc. He may have some type of mental or emotional problem that causes him to have outbursts of rage. Like I said initially these guys were good loyal, high lvl players whom were brought to the clan by another VERY TRUSTED co leader.

Im saying, there should be a role where A DESIGNATED CO LEADER CAN ACT IN THE PLACE OF THE LEADER, if the leader say is at work, on vacation, etc. The leader shouldnt have to always be on to handle things like this.
June 5th, 2015
CaptainSport

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Originally Posted by kingbeezy1988

You sir missed the entire point of what the role was comprised of. I stated that the LEADER would give the role to a CO LEADER HE TRUSTED ABOVE ANYONE ELSE IN THE CLAN. So obviously this person wouldnt do that.

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Originally Posted by kingbeezy1988

Life lesson: Understand the problem before you try to give a solution.

As a player in a clan, you have no control over what another person does. A trusted co leader thats been in the clan for a while might be having a bad day, week, etc. He may have some type of mental or emotional problem that causes him to have outbursts of rage. Like I said initially these guys were good loyal, high lvl players whom were brought to the clan by another VERY TRUSTED co leader.

Im saying, there should be a role where A DESIGNATED CO LEADER CAN ACT IN THE PLACE OF THE LEADER, if the leader say is at work, on vacation, etc. The leader shouldnt have to always be on to handle things like this.

What if the trusted enforcer had "some type of mental or emotional problem that causes him to have outbursts of rage"?
June 6th, 2015
kingbeezy1988

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Originally Posted by CaptainSport

What if the trusted enforcer had "some type of mental or emotional problem that causes him to have outbursts of rage"?

You are journeying into the realm of just being annoying now.

THERE IS ALWAYS GONNA BE A WHAT IF IN ANY SCENARIO. Im just saying that my leader shouldnt have to stop his business at work to fix a problem that could be fixed by a person he trusted with handling it for him.
June 6th, 2015
MirkwoodArcher

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Originally Posted by kingbeezy1988

Life lesson: Understand the problem before you try to give a solution.

As a player in a clan, you have no control over what another person does. A trusted co leader thats been in the clan for a while might be having a bad day, week, etc. He may have some type of mental or emotional problem that causes him to have outbursts of rage. Like I said initially these guys were good loyal, high lvl players whom were brought to the clan by another VERY TRUSTED co leader.

Im saying, there should be a role where A DESIGNATED CO LEADER CAN ACT IN THE PLACE OF THE LEADER, if the leader say is at work, on vacation, etc. The leader shouldnt have to always be on to handle things like this.

Not a bad idea, but for extended periods of absence (i.e. vacation) promoting said trusted CO to leader temporarily would work.
June 6th, 2015
LukeNQ

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Originally Posted by kingbeezy1988

Life lesson: Understand the problem before you try to give a solution.

As a player in a clan, you have no control over what another person does. A trusted co leader thats been in the clan for a while might be having a bad day, week, etc. He may have some type of mental or emotional problem that causes him to have outbursts of rage. Like I said initially these guys were good loyal, high lvl players whom were brought to the clan by another VERY TRUSTED co leader.

Im saying, there should be a role where A DESIGNATED CO LEADER CAN ACT IN THE PLACE OF THE LEADER, if the leader say is at work, on vacation, etc. The leader shouldnt have to always be on to handle things like this.

Completely understood the issue. In rare cases I am sure someone's mental instability may have caused an issue in a clan. But I don't think another rank can solve the issue any better than limiting coleaders to very trusted individuals. And only allowing the leader to promote players to coleader. Bad things will still happen. But supercell doesn't need to add another rank to stop trolls/mental issues. Coleader works just fine within a well organized clan.

ENFORCERS AS YOU SUGGEST COULD STILL RUIN THINGS. SO WHAT THEN? HIGH CHIEF, Lt. GENERAL?

So hopefully we understand each other now. Best of luck rebuilding your clan.
June 6th, 2015
kingbeezy1988

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Originally Posted by MirkwoodArcher

Not a bad idea, but for extended periods of absence (i.e. vacation) promoting said trusted CO to leader temporarily would work.

Yea that could be a possibility but that would not be the case if this new role was implemented. No switchings of power would be needed. The leader could be gone without everyone having to know that hes gone.
June 6th, 2015
CaptainSport

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Originally Posted by LukeNQ

Completely understood the issue. In rare cases I am sure someone's mental instability may have caused an issue in a clan. But I don't think another rank can solve the issue any better than limiting coleaders to very trusted individuals. And only allowing the leader to promote players to coleader. Bad things will still happen. But supercell doesn't need to add another rank to stop trolls/mental issues. Coleader works just fine within a well organized clan.

ENFORECERS AS YOU SUGGEST COULD STILL RUIN THINGS. SO WHAT THEN? HIGH CHIEF, Lt. GENERAL?

So hopefully we understand each other now. Best of luck rebuilding your clan.

This is what I mean.
You are saying "Co leaders can ruin things, so let us have a new rank that can ruin things even more!"
I'm not being so-called "annoying", heck, I even quoted you, only replacing the words "co-leader" with "enforcer". If you still won't accept the fact, fine, go on. But there is no point.
June 6th, 2015
kingbeezy1988

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Originally Posted by CaptainSport

This is what I mean.
You are saying "Co leaders can ruin things, so let us have a new rank that can ruin things even more!"
I'm not being so-called "annoying", heck, I even quoted you, only replacing the words "co-leader" with "enforcer". If you still won't accept the fact, fine, go on. But there is no point.

EVERYTHING you said has NOTHING to do with what I suggested. This point of this role is for there to be a CO LEADER, ONE CO LEADER, WHOM THE LEADER TRUSTS that will act with maturity and will NOT sabotage the clan. That will act in accordance with the rules in fairness to everyone else in the clan.

Like I say, me and the leader know each other in real life. I believe he would entrust me or a chosen few others to have this position. Me being as active as I am, and seeing the destruction of our clan in real time, could have easily kicked/demoted these players without having to DISTURB someone at work or vacation. OR WHATEVER ELSE THEY WANNA DO. Maybe hes sleep.
June 6th, 2015
CaptainSport

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Originally Posted by kingbeezy1988

EVERYTHING you said has NOTHING to do with what I suggested. This point of this role is for there to be a CO LEADER, ONE CO LEADER, WHOM THE LEADER TRUSTS that will act with maturity and will NOT sabotage the clan. That will act in accordance with the rules in fairness to everyone else in the clan.

Like I say, me and the leader know each other in real life. I believe he would entrust me or a chosen few others to have this position. Me being as active as I am, and seeing the destruction of our clan in real time, could have easily kicked/demoted these players without having to DISTURB someone at work or vacation. OR WHATEVER ELSE THEY WANNA DO. Maybe hes sleep.

So you trust one person. Is there a problem with having one co-leader or something? What if both the enforcer and the leader are offline during a sabotage? This idea won't fix any of the issues you are experiencing...
June 6th, 2015
LukeNQ

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Originally Posted by CaptainSport

So you trust one person. Is there a problem with having one co-leader or something? What if both the enforcer and the leader are offline during a sabotage? This idea won't fix any of the issues you are experiencing...

Ninja'd me.

Often the easiest solution is the one smacking you in the face.
One ENFORCER= One CO LEADER.