TH9 Warbase Anti-hog/LaLoon/GoWipe

I agree with what you guys have all mentioned. I've spent a lot of time retooling the base and this is what I've come up with. It's a hybrid between the anti-gowipe and the anti-hog/loon.

http://i.imgur.com/2wtKLjBh.jpg

Thanks for your input so far everyone! Again, my goal with this base is anti-3-star, but it'd be great to have it deny the 2 star on occassion

Those single giant bombs are just a little too easily triggered I feel being on the outer edge, but still better than them being outside. That bottom cannon is a free CC lure and defense kill from a single Loon, although they'll probably use two. It's a very easy jump spell into your core with almost no need to funnel properly from the North-West side to Queen Kill. That easy access to the core plus that easy a CC lure means GoVaLo would destroy that center core.

The seekers seem a little close to your red bombs, but seem like good locations for air traps to help cut off some of the back-end loons on a number of attacks.

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Originally Posted by Zilfallion

Those single giant bombs are just a little too easily triggered I feel being on the outer edge, but still better than them being outside. That bottom cannon is a free CC lure and defense kill from a single Loon, although they'll probably use two. It's a very easy jump spell into your core with almost no need to funnel properly from the North-West side to Queen Kill. That easy access to the core plus that easy a CC lure means GoVaLo would destroy that center core.

The seekers seem a little close to your red bombs, but seem like good locations for air traps to help cut off some of the back-end loons on a number of attacks.

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Thanks for your input Zilfallion.

I agree with your comments. Jump spell gives most easy access to the center compartments and CC is an easy lure with the south cannon there, but because of the general design, I don't have many other spots I could put either of these buildings. Because of the easy lure, I attempted to eliminate all other anchoring locations....Not ideal, but the best I can do in those regards.

Regarding queen kill, I would like to think she's deep enough into the base where most queen kills would require a significant resources to achieve it, however, if that's not the case, what are you suggestions there?

The air bombs...yeah, 2 of the 4 locations are set how I wanted them originally, red bombs slightly offset from seeker so they aren't wasted and yes, to prevent the back end looning as well as catch Lava hounds on the way in.

The giant bombs, though, shouldn't be able to be tripped with a single hog. Because I have the teslas a tile closer to the perimeter, Hogs will target it and the archer tower before they head towards the WT and trip the mine, right?

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Originally Posted by Roxor08

Regarding queen kill, I would like to think she's deep enough into the base where most queen kills would require a significant resources to achieve it, however, if that's not the case, what are you suggestions there?

The giant bombs, though, shouldn't be able to be tripped with a single hog. Because I have the teslas a tile closer to the perimeter, Hogs will target it and the archer tower before they head towards the WT and trip the mine, right?

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Due to the Queen's range, as soon as anything enters the core on that side, she's going to start shooting it, which is going to drag any troops that target "Any" like a magnet into her. This is incredibly hard to stop. On this design, I think it'd simply be impossible. To make it harder, you almost need to have it so she hops behind a wall when she starts shooting them so the enemy king[What often kills your queen] starts bashing on a high level wall. One thing you might be able to do is at least make them have to do a tiny bit of funneling. Take say two of your builders huts from your southern tease, and add a little buffer building on each side of that NW approach. It might pull a wizard or two off to the sides of the kill squad instead of inside the base if they do a sloppy funnel rather than a guaranteed entry into the base.

You have to remember, Hogs like an open spot to jump into, they don't path quite as cleanly as balloons do. If they deploy on your cannons to the north at a slight angle, they'll set off those bombs. The one tile spacing sort of helps on the archer towers, but without an actual deployment of hogs there, I can't tell. But a deployment of hogs would run between the gold mine and elixer collector to the cannon since it's a tile closer, and since they tend to skirt buildings they'll run along those elixer collectors and then you're looking at them jumping over the wall at the corner of the cannon and the giant bomb. There's slightly less chance on the archer towers due to the placement of the spell factory on the right side and 1-tile gap, but still probable on the left side in the gap between research factory and barracks.

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Originally Posted by Zilfallion

Due to the Queen's range, as soon as anything enters the core on that side, she's going to start shooting it, which is going to drag any troops that target "Any" like a magnet into her. This is incredibly hard to stop. On this design, I think it'd simply be impossible. To make it harder, you almost need to have it so she hops behind a wall when she starts shooting them so the enemy king[What often kills your queen] starts bashing on a high level wall. One thing you might be able to do is at least make them have to do a tiny bit of funneling. Take say two of your builders huts from your southern tease, and add a little buffer building on each side of that NW approach. It might pull a wizard or two off to the sides of the kill squad instead of inside the base if they do a sloppy funnel rather than a guaranteed entry into the base.

You have to remember, Hogs like an open spot to jump into, they don't path quite as cleanly as balloons do. If they deploy on your cannons to the north at a slight angle, they'll set off those bombs. The one tile spacing sort of helps on the archer towers, but without an actual deployment of hogs there, I can't tell. But a deployment of hogs would run between the gold mine and elixer collector to the cannon since it's a tile closer, and since they tend to skirt buildings they'll run along those elixer collectors and then you're looking at them jumping over the wall at the corner of the cannon and the giant bomb. There's slightly less chance on the archer towers due to the placement of the spell factory on the right side and 1-tile gap, but still probable on the left side in the gap between research factory and barracks.

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http://i.imgur.com/OL83UIU.jpg

Okay, I think I was able to address your point about hogs tripping the GB on the WT compartments on the NE and NW sides by shifting the AT that are adjacent to those compartments slightly forward. This actually has allowed me to change the positioning of the red air mines so they don't get tripped by a single loon.

Other notable changes:

• I moved AQ to the East of the TH, just cause....
• I moved 2 builders huts to the NE to heed your advice about preventing the wizard funnel kill squad from being so clean.
• I also moved the east most AT within the southern tease to add spacing between it an the nearest AD to promote any defense targeting units preferentially leaving the tease to retreat to destroy the tesla.
• Still don't know quite what to do about the CC pull with the cannon on the south...

Thanks again for your input, it's great to have such helpful constructive criticism.

For the Builder's huts, I was talking more one to each side, to make it wide. If you tuck one in closer to the cannon on that side, and another by that army camp near the tesla and cannon combos is what I was thinking. I'm not sure that's actually the better route compared to what you've done since there's no buffer buildings it could then lead to on the top side of the base, That tesla is a little too far back to pop and take out whatever comes that way, and the cannon would be locked on the golem. You're probably right trying to lead them off to the right and down to where that free archer tower could shoot them.

As for the CC lure, I don't think you can really do much. If you put a Seeker there, you can cost them a balloon, but at the same time if they use a small hog squad to kill is and then trigger any traps on the way to the archer towers, and then use loons later, you've lost a seeker mine.

While you've make the giant bomb trip less likely giving the hogs an option to split towards the Archer Tower if they're too far over, I'm still slightly worried it's there, but I doubt many will try a single hog trip on the first attack. I'd be more worried about the second attack once they know the bombs are there for sure. Just something to consider when you eventually get around to a new base and putting your bombs slightly deeper in the base.

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Originally Posted by Zilfallion

For the Builder's huts, I was talking more one to each side, to make it wide. If you tuck one in closer to the cannon on that side, and another by that army camp near the tesla and cannon combos is what I was thinking. I'm not sure that's actually the better route compared to what you've done since there's no buffer buildings it could then lead to on the top side of the base, That tesla is a little too far back to pop and take out whatever comes that way, and the cannon would be locked on the golem. You're probably right trying to lead them off to the right and down to where that free archer tower could shoot them.

As for the CC lure, I don't think you can really do much. If you put a Seeker there, you can cost them a balloon, but at the same time if they use a small hog squad to kill is and then trigger any traps on the way to the archer towers, and then use loons later, you've lost a seeker mine.

While you've make the giant bomb trip less likely giving the hogs an option to split towards the Archer Tower if they're too far over, I'm still slightly worried it's there, but I doubt many will try a single hog trip on the first attack. I'd be more worried about the second attack once they know the bombs are there for sure. Just something to consider when you eventually get around to a new base and putting your bombs slightly deeper in the base.

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Thanks again for your input Zilfallion.

After some more tinkering, I actually have had some good results from the last few wars with this base:
http://i.imgur.com/SJAo0yr.png

I am yet to be 3 starred, and was able to stuff a Lavaloon attack from a TH10 even! He brought 3 level 3 hounds in conjunction with a level 4 dragon in his clan castle and only achieved 49% 1 star because of the dragon. I wish I knew how to share a video....

Let me know what you think!