Online vs Online Competition - PVP system

Hi there, coc team.
After the new game upgrade and the <quick 5v5 competition> that published several days ago, I have some ideas of PVP system. Let me present the system as below (with apology of my poor English):

It's a concept of 「online vs online competition」(not real-time). Just like the 2 players make layout-quizzes to each other, then both compete/compare the solutions.

First of all, the diagrams/graphics explanation.

Solo
http://i.imgur.com/3L91xaT.jpg

League/Ladder/Reward
http://i.imgur.com/wW4Mp3Q.jpg

Team Game
http://i.imgur.com/0TrYiQ5.jpg





Here comes the main process flow of the new PVP system in text:

(1)Before the competition, each player design 3 layouts and 3 group-forces(armies,spells), the contents depends on the player's current development and lab-tech.

(2)Start the game searching/matching by players' strength(Search your opponent by the ladder score).

(3)After 2 players get matched by system , each player display the opponent's level and lab-tech, then player choose 1 layout (from the 3 you designed) to meet enemy. (in 30 secs)

(4)Display the layout that your opponent had chosen, then the players choose 1 group-force to attack it(from the 3 you designed). (in 30 secs)

(5)Game competition, the 2 players attack each other. (about 3 mins)

(6)Display the result, get/lose ladder score. (Win the rewards at season's end. )

In addition to the designs steps/preparation, each game takes about 4 mins to complete.



More detail rules about the PVP system:

R1. Before the competition, each player design 3 layouts and 3 group-forces.
R1-1. The 3 layouts and 3 group-forces can be design in any arrangements BUT depends on the player's development and lab-tech.
R1-2. The designs can be saved.
R1-3. Spells are included in group-forces sets.
R1-4. It doesn't take time or resources to product armies/spells from barracks/factories.

R2. Entry qualifications.
R2-1. The competition entry qualifications may take <TH8 or above><Each game participate cooling time>.
R2-2. It's an online vs online game competition and the reward doesn't according the opponent's storage, so there is no Shield-Break.

R3. The system of matching & Leagues, Ladders:
R3-1. PVP game matching is up to player's ladder score, the ladder score can be grow/reduced by winning/losing games.
R3-2. Each player start PVP in bronze league. The ladders just like current league system.
(B→S→G→C→M→C→T→L, next season will restart for 1 game played)
R3-3. When matching is done, there is no "NEXT" button and there is only one chance to attack.
R3-4. Each player have 2 type ladder score, Solo & Team. The Solo ladder and Team ladder should be separated.

R4. The 2 steps of choose layouts and group-forces.
R4-1. Step 1, when matching finished, the screen displays my opponent's level and lab-tech. Thus, I choose a layout to oppose it.
(For example,if opponent's air force tech is much stronger than ground, I may choose an anti-air layout)
R4-2. Step 2, when layouts are confirmed, the screen displays the opponent's layout. Thus, I choose a force to attack.
(For example,if opponent chose an anti-air layout, I might choose a golem+wizard group to attack.)
R4-3. Each Step of choice must be done in 30 sec or it will start in default layout/force.

R5. The disconnection.
R5-1. When the matching is done, one player disconnected from the internet, the the player will start in default layout and force, and will be 0 star in result.
R5-2. Disconnect during the battle, the force you released will continue to finishing their jobs.(much like current game-disconnect mode)

R6. Castle forces.
R6-1. The castle contents depends on the your clan members had given.
R6-2. The castle forces will be used in attack and defense at the same time. (←...unreasonable here)
R6-3. Even if the castle force is not released at attack or alive at defense, the castle force can't be take back.

R7. Heroes/Buildings in upgrading.
R7-1. Heroes are under upgrading can't go attack.
R7-2. Buildings or traps which are in developing/upgrading, they show the current level status in games.
R7-3. All defend buildings/traps are full repaired and loaded.

R8. Result (The comparison of 2 players/teams)
R8-1. Winning or losing are judged by the stars-earning comparison.
R8-2. According the damage percentage if the players get the same stars-earning. (Like 2stars(60%) vs 2stars(55%), the former wins)
R8-3. 3stars(100%) vs 3stars(100%), a draw game here. (or depend on the time used)

R9. Resource rewards.
R9-1. For take the skill and technique in considering, the resource rewards should NOT be taken from the opponent's storage.
R9-2. The resource rewards only be given at the ladder season's end. Higher league/ranking, more reward. (Maybe 2 weeks is a cycle)
R9-3. The Solo ladder reward and multiplayer ladder reward are separated.
(Example：My personal 1vs1 ladder score is 4360/Champion, and my multiplayer ladder score is 1430/Gold, so the reward is different)

R10. Team competition(2vs2 or 3vs3....)
R10-1. The competition can team up with your clan members, then get team-matching.
R10-2. The orders depends on the town value(in clan war system)or ladder score. Then the attacks are one by one follow the orders.
(For example, A, B two teams make a 2vs2 competition, the orders are A1vsB1 and A2vsB2, each player get only one attack chance. )

(Neglect) R11. Some unique/experimental game changes in the PVP system.
However, it's not the usual farming/resource steal system, so there are many possibilities to make some unique game changes for the PVP gameplay(for more diverse strategy). Such as new spells, extra bonus in battle/defense.

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Addition:

A1. All the rules above are modifiable.

A2. Instead of real-time competition, the both players don't have to full-time linked each other.

A3. The defense and attack are the same important. So there is no high-att/low-def gameplay method to confuse matching system.

A4. Advantages and disadvantages.
Advantages
A4-1-1. Players can practice 「Maximum Forces Attack Strategy」in usual gameplay, not only for clan wars.
A4-1-2. The attack/defend ability are much more diverse. Not only for resources catching.
A4-1-3. The new competition/ladder may cause the clan members have more intention to donate/request high-cost armies.

Disadvantages
A4-2-1. Very huge game system change.
A4-2-2. Clan wars system participation may reduce more?(Clan wars system improvment is another topic)



Thanks for your patience.

Good job! This is quite a detailed thread.
However, there are 2 noticeable problems.
A) Most people will just skip through this and not read it. Summarize!
B) You'l need to find a way to prevent exploitation ( I have heard that it is possible to copy an enemy base in a clan war, then this could be used as a tester. Then you'd know a general usable strategy against them.) This is the main reason this stuff is ruled out.

This would be really nice to add in the future. 👍

Wow, very good idea. Could you also make a competition with a clan mate?
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This is a really good idea. I like the option of another lvl of completion. It sucks when you are in a war and do well but your clan members don't pull there weight. No one to blame for a loss here but your self. Only problem that I see here is models will dominate this style of one on one battle. But I like this idea.

Thanks for your replies.

Current gameplay in COC is Online vs Offline(even the revenge), and I think it's possible to make a different (not replace or modified) online vs online competition mode.
A competition with skills/strategies, not only all about the resources.

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(A) You are right, I can show the PVP system concept in examples. Much shorter story.
(B) The game will start/finish in 4 mins. Actually you only have 30 sec to prepare your attack strategy, Maybe the short-time preparation is the method to prevent the Tester?

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Originally Posted by pixlon

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In my opinion, the 2vs2 or 3vs3 mode should be team-up with clan-mates.
In current coc system, you can't even TALK with your other friends in different clans.(Confidential layouts in clan war system )
So I think there is no chance to make a PVP team with friends in different clans, either.

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Mmmm...... PVP, clan war, sigle-player modes are all complicated systems, and they all deserve a lot of discussion.

Let me introduce the PVP system main flow in 2 examples (1vs1 and 2vs2).


PVP system example：1vs1

(1) I designed 3 layouts and and 3 forces as below：
Layout-1：Standard defend. Inferno multi, x-bow ground only.
Layout-2：Wide scope of ground defend. Inferno multi/single, x-bow ground only.
Layout-3：Anti-air defend. Inferno multi, x-bow ground/air.
Force-1：Golems+wizards+witchs group, spells are rage/heal/freeze.
Force-2：1 golem and many hogs, spells are heal.
Force-3：Lavas and ballons, spells are rage.
I can modify the contents if i want to.

(2) I start game searching(matching), then system give me an opponent. (He is online, and there is no "Next" button)

(3) The screen shows my opponent's level and lab-tech, then I choose one of my defense/design layout. In 30secs.
For example: If my opponent's air forces are full-tech, and ground-force is low-tech, I might choose an anti-air defend layout (Layout-3).
For example: If my opponent's hog riders tech are lv5, the other techs are low, I might choose an wide scope defend layout(Layout-2).

(4) The screen shows my opponent's layout , then I choose a force to attack. In 30secs.
For example: If my opponent's chosen layout is x-bow air mode , I might choose my Force-1 set to attack.
For example: If my opponent's chosen layout is x-bow ground mode, I might choose my Force3 set to attack.

(5) (5) Base on every player's layout and attack force choice. The system set the games: I attack my opponent's layout. And the opponent attack mine.
The game will be end when both players have finished his attack.

(6) Display the result. If I win the game, my 1vs1 ladder score grow up.
For example: I get 2 stars and my opponent get 1 star only, I win the game.
For example: If we both get 2 stars in result, compare the raze percentage we made.





PVP system example：2vs2

(1) My teammate(from my clan-mate) and I design 3 layouts and and 3 forces.

(2) We start game searching(matching), then we meet an opponent team. (The other team is online, and there is no "Next" button)

My team: A1 and A2 ; the opponent team: B1 and B2
And the game will be played as A1vsB1, and A2vsB2.

The order (of 1&2) depends on the town-strength or the ladder score.


Step3~5 is the same as last example.
(3) The screen shows my opponent's level and lab-tech, then I choose one of my defend/design layouts. In 30 secs.
(4) The screen shows my opponent's layout, then I choose a force to attack. In 30 secs.
(5) Base on every player's layout and attack force choice. The system set the games.

(6) Display the result. If my team win the game, my teammate & I multiplayer ladder score grow up.
For example: My team get 4 stars in total and my opponent team get 3 stars, My team win the game.
For example: If two teams both get 4 stars in total, compare the total raze percentage we made.

Good detail and description, well commended...

...and while I like the idea, this is basically a whole new game. It may be a bit too difficult to build this in with the existing app. Could be possible, would be interesting and I would definitely use it if implemented.

Thank you for joining the forum and putting a great deal of effort into your post. Our community thanks you many times over for that. Well thought out and presented. You sir win the forum for today! Well done sir.

The BIG downside to this is that (like Axion pointed out) you are changing so much that it ends up being more or less a different game. For that reason SC would be foolish to implement it. Making sweeping changes to the core game play of the #1 mobile game is an extremely risky business move. Perhaps parts of your system could be added as subtle changes but the magnitude of this is it's own worst enemy. Just too much $$$ at risk.

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Thank you for the careful consideration.

I totally realized that you mentioned "the risk of game change". Well, I want to present a new system of gameplay (not replace/modify any old one). So I take many rules-descriptions which are based on the current game mode, instead of talking a different new game. Arrange the current game modes/rules and make them more interesting are my purpose. But the new things are not easy to integrate, that's true.

Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by AxionXD

Good detail and description, well commended...

...and while I like the idea, this is basically a whole new game. It may be a bit too difficult to build this in with the existing app. Could be possible, would be interesting and I would definitly use it if implemented.

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That's true, but clan wars were a huge new part of the game that changed the whole situation too - and this idea is something similar and you still attack a base with troops which is the main part of the game. And as somebody else already had said : You can take your destiny in hands, victory or defeat.
Good luck yobbo!

I've upload the game concept diagrams/graphics.

Hope you like.


(update in the #1)

Wow! This is a really good idea! I am kind of confused with the 2v2 though do you team up with someone? And then add both of your stars to get a winner?

I think this is a really great idea, that adds depth and versatility to the game.

It is a big change and I think the feedback is valid that it would change the game drastically like clan wars did. However, unlike other people thinking that could be bad, I think that is a good thing. It gives people more options and depth from clash of clans. It will make players stay on longer, play more, and be more interested in specific parts of the game.

For example in a shoot em up games like Halo, Call of Duty, etc. there are many different game types. There are people that only play certain game types like team deathmatch, or capture the flag, or zombies in Call of Duty. Having PvP gives people more options to chose from.

Players can login and ask themselves, do I want to participate in a clan war today, go farming, try out a new attack, or play some PVP? I personally want to play some PvP!

Great suggestion yobbo!

What about ties

I applaud you for such detail and a great idea. I love reading these types of threads. I personally would love a feature like this. It is so unique I havent seen anything similar to this. This is such a Big change though that it could possibly change the game. I don't think it is so Big that it belongs in a different game but it is definitely a huge change that is a risk for the game that could be really great or a horrible disaster. All in all I like it and I support this idea.

Yobbo, one point to consider: for the part about making 3 bases and then the opponent chooses 1 of the 3 you picked, what would stop players from simply making the same base for all 3 of their bases? Or something really similar if supercell tried to program something to prevent that.

That is one point to consider. People could make 3 different bases but that gives the attacker the option to chose one they have seen before or feel more confident about. I can see people only putting the same defense three times, but maybe that is okay too. Some people could do that or throw in variation and have 3 different bases

Nice idea bro :)

Sorry of reply late, busy working these days.

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Yes. Just like the clan wars, it also sum up the stars as a result. Thanks for reply.

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Originally Posted by mattattam

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Many thanks, and perhaps some issues are not yet considered.

And you mentioned the picking of 3 bases.
My opponent will not pick my base, on the contrary, I pick my own base.

Let me show the steps as below.
(1) I see the opponent's level & lab-tech, the opponent see my level & lab-tech.
(2) I pick one of my designed layouts, the opponent' pick one of his designed layouts.
(3) I pick one of my designed forces, the opponent's pick one of his designed forces.
(4) My force attack opponent's layout, opponent's force attack my layout.

Thanks for reply.

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Originally Posted by Killercark

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"ties"? sorry I don't kown what they mean. Neckties?

If you mean the connection of games, please read the PVP game process flow and
"Instead of real-time competition, the both players don't have to full-time linked each other."
The PVP game is two players/teams compete at the same time, but it's not a real-time-strategy gameplay.

If you mean the communication with teammate, maybe so far the clan talk system is so far useful.
Each game will end within four minutes, maybe not much time to chat.

Thanks for reply.

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Yes, a huge change means a huge risk. Thanks for reply.

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Originally Posted by SimonTheEpic

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Many thanks bro.

I would love if they added this to the game!

ties = draws.

Nice idea too good job:thumbsup:

Wow this is awesome! And pics too! :caticon:

Glad to see someone who puts effort into good ideas.

Imo tho, there are so many rules and new features that might confuse the average player. I think a simplified model of what you are proposing would be better.

GL!

I think we don't needs such these things
we already have a clan vs clan feature
now i think we need a clan vs COM
not another point of view of the classic CW

These graphics are awesome! I totally support this idea! Hope this thread gets more and more attention!

Add this to the game! Plzz supercell! This would make the game better!

Much better version of my idea of my Troop Vs. Troop Clan War Idea

What's the point?

We already have Clan Wars and PvP AND a single player mode. This seems a bit overrated imho.

I will rate this 4 stars for good effort though.

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Yeah, I love it.
It needs a lot of evaluation.
Many thanks for your reply.

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Originally Posted by LachlanS

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Thanks for the explanation. (my poor English...)
Game draws means the both players get the same attack result (same stars and same raze %).
If game draws, the ladder score will not add/reduce.

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The dark-red texts are the main process of PVP system, the others are details of explanation.
(The pics are easy ways to realize what I am talking, thanks)
Mmmm..., there are also many rules on current game mode(s), and we are accustomed to them.
There goes many rule explanations because I want the frame of PVP system much more reasonable(help so).
Not only few words for a shout.
Many thanks for your reply.

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Current game mode means PVE (player vs offline palyers), and most players start game-search only for resources.
That's why I suggest a technology platform - PVP system (online player vs online player competition).
Clan vs COM also means PVE, too.
Clan vs Clan system is good, I love it, too. But the Clan vs Clan system (improve or adjust) is another topic, I just provided an idea of PVP.
Many thanks for your reply.

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Many thanks for your kindly support.

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You are cool !

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COC now have great game systems (play methods) :

0. Farming.(Happy farmers, AFK players, resource gaining)

1. Single player (PVE for new players, suitable for TH1~8 players, resource gaining)

2. Multiplayer (in most situation→PVE, online player vs offline players's base, suitable for LV6~10 players. Most people play for resource gaining, high-end players play for high trophies/leagues)
(maybe multiplayer mode + revenge = PVP? lol)

3. Clan vs Clan (CVC, close to PVP, all TH players, technical, Clan members only)←I still like it.

This topic provided an idea of PVP system.
Many thanks for your reply.

Update some descriptions/pics that post 2 years ago. :)

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Update some descriptions/pics that post 2 years ago. :)

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you necro'd a 2 year old thread just to critique its presentation? Interesting choice.

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you necro'd a 2 year old thread just to critique its presentation? Interesting choice.

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He said he updated it, its his thread.

Ah, I counted the wrong one as the OP.

Awesome efforts, awesome details i love the way u explained. Appreciate Buddy

Nice plan I like it

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