Changes are needed for joining clans

As a clan leader for almost 2 years it has been very frustrating keeping people in the clan. I have tried raising trophy requirements to get more serious established players but to no avail. I can't even engage these new members in conversation to encourage them to stay before they bail either. Now I know I can't force people to join or stay but maybe if there was a 24-48 hour cooldown/timer after joining or leaving a clan it would help. I can't field group of players for a clan war when 20-30% of my roster is leaving and being refilled and then leaving again. There just needs to be something that will make people stop and think that if they join a clan they can't just jump to another in a few hours or a day or something. Maybe the cost of time incentive will keep people from reeking havoc on public clan rosters.

Note: This would also be helpful in Boom Beach because the exact same problem occurs over there. The only plus side is I don't have to count on a roster in flux for a clan war (although I am sure those are in the near future).

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Originally Posted by HeyBlinkin

As a clan leader for almost 2 years it has been very frustrating keeping people in the clan. I have tried raising trophy requirements to get more serious established players but to no avail. I can't even engage these new members in conversation to encourage them to stay before they bail either. Now I know I can't force people to join or stay but maybe if there was a 24-48 hour cooldown/timer after joining or leaving a clan it would help. I can't field group of players for a clan war when 20-30% of my roster is leaving and being refilled and then leaving again. There just needs to be something that will make people stop and think that if they join a clan they can't just jump to another in a few hours or a day or something. Maybe the cost of time incentive will keep people from reeking havoc on public clan rosters.

Note: This would also be helpful in Boom Beach because the exact same problem occurs over there. The only plus side is I don't have to count on a roster in flux for a clan war (although I am sure those are in the near future).

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I know this answer is unpopular, but it's the truth...and that is you need to change the way your clan operates. You don't need supercell to change anything.

Here's a few things that work for us. We only recruit through forums and by referral. If you look on the forums and can identify those people looking for something you offer, send them a private message. Tell them your standards are stringent and you are looking for people of a particular caliber. Trade several messages with them. If you get a good feeling about who they are invite them to the clan.

Please keep in mind that you will get responses from maybe 10% of those you message. The good news is you have already filtered out a bunch of people who weren't going to stay in your clan anyway.

In your clan, be sure you are offering something for your clan mates that makes them want to stay. Are you great in war? Can you teach them how to improve? Do you have some funny jokes? There are thousands of clans out there...why should they want to stay in yours?

After working hard at this for a month or so you'll find that the 2 or 3 people you managed to add have invited a couple friends. And before you know it, the 2 or 3 you got originally turn into 10. And they are quality. And they are vested in your clan.

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Originally Posted by Reddigulous

I know this answer is unpopular, but it's the truth...and that is you need to change the way your clan operates. You don't need supercell to change anything.

Here's a few things that work for us. We only recruit through forums and by referral. If you look on the forums and can identify those people looking for something you offer, send them a private message. Tell them your standards are stringent and you are looking for people of a particular caliber. Trade several messages with them. If you get a good feeling about who they are invite them to the clan.

Please keep in mind that you will get responses from maybe 10% of those you message. The good news is you have already filtered out a bunch of people who weren't going to stay in your clan anyway.

In your clan, be sure you are offering something for your clan mates that makes them want to stay. Are you great in war? Can you teach them how to improve? Do you have some funny jokes? There are thousands of clans out there...why should they want to stay in yours?

After working hard at this for a month or so you'll find that the 2 or 3 people you managed to add have invited a couple friends. And before you know it, the 2 or 3 you got originally turn into 10. And they are quality. And they are vested in your clan.

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I see your point here, but this doesnt solve the OPs problem. Yea you can recruit thru forums, etc all day but in the end, PEOPLE WILL LEAVE WHEN THEY WANT, with no warning or whatever. You can have the top clan in the world with the best members and people will still leave anyway.

I see where hes coming from with this, and there needs to be something more stringent for hoppers to prevent them from jumping so often.

Your reply was a good one, mate. Your idea of filtering a lot before inviting new members is pretty good, no matter through what means, be it through the forum of through the game itself. The issue is: it's too much work and trouble to look for these people. It's like searching for a bacteria in a tick in a needle within a haystack. Plus, the "aquaintaces" that these rare, one in a million players bring to your clan, are very commonly the troublemakers that will make these golden comrades of yours to quit the clan for inumerous whatever reasons. The OP has been dealing with people on CoC long enough to know this, as so have I. Some sort of "penalty" is required for clan leavers. Make it happen after a couple "jumps" are done, I dunno, but it has to be negatively enforced somehow.

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Originally Posted by Tiranonium

Your reply was a good one, mate. Your idea of filtering a lot before inviting new members is pretty good, no matter through what means, be it through the forum of through the game itself. The issue is: it's too much work and trouble to look for these people. It's like searching for a bacteria in a tick in a needle within a haystack. Plus, the "aquaintaces" that these rare, one in a million players bring to your clan, are very commonly the troublemakers that will make these golden comrades of yours to quit the clan for inumerous whatever reasons. The OP has been dealing with people on CoC long enough to know this, as so have I. Some sort of "penalty" is required for clan leavers. Make it happen after a couple "jumps" are done, I dunno, but it has to be negatively enforced somehow.

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I agree, it's hard work finding quality people. No argument there. But the proposed solution does little to fix that. People are going to want to leave your clan. You can have the best clan in the game, but not everyone is going to like it. So consider two different scenarios.

1. A hopper joins your clan and wants to leave (who cares what the reason is, maybe it's legit, maybe it's not). But if he leaves he'd be up against the proposed penalties. So what do you think he will do? What if he decides it's better to get kicked so he doesn't have to face the penalty. So he curses and makes fun of those golden members. And worse, no leaders are online to kick him quickly. So your golden members get frustrated and leave. Is that what you would prefer to people just leaving quietly?

2. What if I join a clan who turn out to be a bunch of turds? What if they pepper chat with racist remarks and belittle me when I mess up an attack? I should be forced to face a penalty to leave a bad situation?

I know the pains of recruiting. I'm not arguing with you on that. But I stand by my original statements. If you make your clan worthwhile and refuse to settle for less than ideal clan mates you will begin to attract quality members....some of whom will still leave, but if you are quality they usually come back.

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Originally Posted by kingbeezy1988

I see your point here, but this doesnt solve the OPs problem. Yea you can recruit thru forums, etc all day but in the end, PEOPLE WILL LEAVE WHEN THEY WANT, with no warning or whatever. You can have the top clan in the world with the best members and people will still leave anyway.

I see where hes coming from with this, and there needs to be something more stringent for hoppers to prevent them from jumping so often.

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I agree, people will leave when they want. Why is what they want (to leave your clan) any less valid than what you want (for them to stay)?

I got your point now as well. Indeed, the chances of a player joining a thrashy clan are pretty high as well. Luckily, I have just read a better proposition in another thread. Making a player rep sheet, be it invisible or not, in order to allow clans to do a advanced player search, just like players are allowed to do a advanced clan search. Clans would then prefer to invite low abandonment-rate players instead of handpicking those golden members that show up once every century.

PS: if you like your golden players enough, they'd all have promotions.

why are people posting that things need to change to keep people in a clan?

why do people come on here and say things like you need to get a better class of player in your clan, like players on clash go to clash school, and come from well off clash families.

players that are born in to clash royalty and are elected clash president.

players will only hang around for as long as they feel like, and that depends on what they want, the farmer might be content with a clan that is quiet where people dont talk much. that player probably won't hang round a war orientated clan long.

hard core war players wont hang round a farming clan that does not war often.

some players just want a fun clan where they can chat to people make jokes that kind of thing

fact is it's not world of warcraft, you dont have several characters doing different things that you can team up with, you can't have a clan that does everything well, you are either

1. war, you live for war.

2. farm, you live to farm as much loot as possible for upgrades.

3. sim, you are more social, than player, mostly inactive bearly raid, and join a clan so you can get clan castle troops to protect the loot you get from collectors.

4. pusher, you just want to get the most trophys and want to be the best on the game

you can be a few of these together, but not effectively as they are different from each other

a war person will always be going for the big hit with the best troops, spending time scouting bases so he can get the right team, does not attack often as he makes his living off war. the serious war clans always have the best troops in clan castles and work as a team, they dont like poot troops being donated to war castles and have no time for players that don't take that seriously.

a farmer will use many attacks using cheap troops to collect from rich bases, they will lose trophys and also gain them so they stay around the level that all the loot is at, they are the one star raiders, the clans that offer to surrender if you put town halls outside bases so they can snipe with minimum troops, the tows that have town hall accessible to snipe, but hold back just enough to scare you off from anything else

a simmer wont want to waste elixir on troops as he wants to save it, so he wont attack anyone, usually its the guy with no shield and the high request amount, usually rushed, unable to work with experience players and unaware of how clan castles and priority target troops work. and often don't even know they have a separate war base

Pusher, the always online player, the gemmer of troops so he doesn't have to wait, the player that will next till he get the right base no matter how much gold he uses, only attacks with the right troops for the base as well, the champion league guys. cos they are not there to pick up loot they put resource storage outside to tempt people in.

you can not be more than one of these at a time regardless of what you think you can do, yes farmers can sim, and pushers can be great war opponents, but you are almost primarily one of them before anything else, it may change depending on circumstances, but a pusher isn't going to try farming as it makes them more of a target, and they need those trophy's, a farmer wont try pushing too far as it makes their loot more vulnerable to attack, they want the town hall sniped so that they get a shield. the simmer is usually outraged that someone took 300k resources from them, so they never break shield unless they have to, this can lead to them joining in wars, but they are never really serious about them, they are the ones you watch dump 15 giants in the path of a clan castle full of wizards.

even if you aim for a war clan, or a farming clan players will change what they want to do from time to time, a farmer might try to push one he maxes out his th9 before he upgrades to th10. or a pusher may decide he wants to devote time to war for a while, if your clan does not war often enough is he goina stay around or is he goina find a clan that wars constantly?

you dont always have the answer so dont think this is a problem that needs solving.

M8, being a golden player doesn't necessarily have anything to do with your skills in the game itself, but rather it's about social relations. It's a social game after all, so I'd be more concerned about getting along with my members than demanding of them being flawless at the game. You probably have never led a clan before or has little experience at it, so you wouldn't know what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by Tiranonium

M8, being a golden player doesn't necessarily have anything to do with your skills in the game itself, but rather it's about social relations. It's a social game after all, so I'd be more concerned about getting along with my members than demanding of them being flawless at the game. You probably have never led a clan before or has little experience at it, so you wouldn't know what I'm talking about.

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Right into the "you don't agree with me so you are wrong" tirade? I don't know who this is aimed at but it sounds like the person hit a nerve here, it's not really social, you can be social and make friends but its not really a game for that, it's just another mobile game really. a very addictive one at that.

me I'm a fan of war, ive left loads of clans because they dont war often enough, was very social in those clans made some friends, but they didnt war so i left, i now have my own clan and we war when i want to war which is often. we are level 5 and players join who dont like war, but they still wanna stay, and within a week they are gone because they realise they dont wanna be in a war clan.