Make Revenge Realistic

One thing that drives me insane, and I would love to see changed is the "Revenge" button, the amount of times I want to revenge someone but they have shield, or are online, it makes this feature really a non-realistic issue

SuGGEstion

Revenge is ALWAYS allowed, if you have a shield, if your online. It would give more fear to people, the amount of times low level come and drop lightning on my DE storage, but I don't get revenge because I'm not going to wait 12 hours for shields is maddening.

Sorry if this has been suggested before..

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Originally Posted by Muggatu32

One thing that drives me insane, and I would love to see changed is the "Revenge" button, the amount of times I want to revenge someone but they have shield, or are online, it makes this feature really a non-realistic issue

SuGGEstion

Revenge is ALWAYS allowed, if you have a shield, if your online. It would give more fear to people, the amount of times low level come and drop lightning on my DE storage, but I don't get revenge because I'm not going to wait 12 hours for shields is maddening.

Sorry if this has been suggested before..

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Then why even start a thread that's duplicating many others if you knew it had been suggested before?

Anyways, this would ruin the whole purpose of the shield system.

So I do a trophy push, barching for a couple hours lets say one attack every 5 minutes (24 attacks). I could be hit 25 times when I log out. That would completely wreck anybody trying to save. Zapping would get much worse since everybody you attack could then zap you at will.

If I logged on and saw I had lost 25-50k DE through a shield I would quit right then.

I always try to revenge any player that takes more than I deem required i.e. Town Hall Snipers that carry on to take loot.

However the Revenge button wastes so much of my time, why don't they simply have a button that clearly indicates a revenge that is possible rather than having to go through every single one time and time again?

This would make attacking more frequent and no doubt generate more revenue for Supercell on completing spells or boosting spells and troops.

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Originally Posted by webbie

So I do a trophy push, barching for a couple hours lets say one attack every 5 minutes (24 attacks). I could be hit 25 times when I log out. That would completely wreck anybody trying to save. Zapping would get much worse since everybody you attack could then zap you at will.

If I logged on and saw I had lost 25-50k DE through a shield I would quit right then.

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Bingo.

It still blows my mind that people don't get this.

As frustrated as you may get, imagine how many are frustrated with you!

Current revenge system protects you as much as it protects them.

I don't get revenged often, but when I do, I get absolutely WRECKED. No thank you.

I agree. I actually had a thread suggesting 2 tiers of shields. If you get attacked & earn a shield it is a full shield against all attacks except revenge attacks. Trying to save? Don't attack & that way you will get attacked once per shield. Trying to raid your way to the next upgrade? Better stay online until you earn enough otherwise everyone that you raided will have the chance to raid you back. Want a permanent shield that blocks everything? Spend gems on the next tier shield that stops all attacks whether normal or revenge.

everyone complains that it will limit the elixir & gold economy when in fact it increases it as there will no longer be as many people hiding behind shields after raiding.

Revenge is possible. The people complaining about how it’s all too hard to get revenge, have little or no understanding of intermediate mathematics.

Most issues would br resolved if SC just did away with it. The desire for revenge in this game is ego driven. Get over it and pick on another player instead.

Have the best idea for this,

Being able to tag a limited amount of specific battles in your battle log, that you want to revenge.. And as soon as they either have no shield, the game prompts you by a little (!) on your battle log tab. Meanwhile you prepare by building your lightning spells and then go and revenge those de stealing low lifes!! Or just those pesky goblins that get on your nerves. This solution is not going around anyones protection shield, only enhancing the revenge option in a non drematic way.

The main issue is the combination of the length of time of the shield & the Timezone differences. Eg I get attacked overnight. Before I wake they have been attacked & have a shield that effectively lasts the 16hrs I'm able to access the game. I get to actually revenge about 5% of the people that attack me. So the solution is to make revenge realistic & actionable or just do away with it as was suggested above.

I also notice that most people against have revenge bypass shields are people that say we should just go & attack other players. Thing is, if it is ok to attack other players why isn't it ok to attack them back?

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Originally Posted by FairlyBad

The main issue is the combination of the length of time of the shield & the Timezone differences. Eg I get attacked overnight. Before I wake they have been attacked & have a shield that effectively lasts the 16hrs I'm able to access the game. I get to actually revenge about 5% of the people that attack me. So the solution is to make revenge realistic & actionable or just do away with it as was suggested above.

I also notice vice that most people against have revenge bypass shields are people that say we should just go & attack other players. Thing is, if it is ok to attack other players why isn't it ok to attack them back?

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The issue isnt the time of the shield or the timezone, it is the inability to revenge anyone due to the timeframe between someone logging out and then someone eles attacking him, giving him a shield is like less than 5 minutes. thus taking away the option to revenge. So even if they did include a system like the one i suggested, the chance of you even being able to revenge is still unlikely. However, the system to date is completely up to luck whether you get an opportunity and thus giving you no chance to plan accordingly.

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Originally Posted by JollyRogdawg

The issue isnt the time of the shield or the timezone, it is the inability to revenge anyone due to the timeframe between someone logging out and then someone eles attacking him, giving him a shield is like less than 5 minutes. thus taking away the option to revenge. So even if they did include a system like the one i suggested, the chance of you even being able to revenge is still unlikely. However, the system to date is completely up to luck whether you get an opportunity and thus giving you no chance to plan accordingly.

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I think we should revenge even if he has shield or is online.

How about 5 minutes for revenges prior to regular attacks are done so people can actually revenge?

This also makes buying a shield useless and makes having defenses useless because I didn't get to rearm my traps.

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Originally Posted by SteveGreat

I always try to revenge any player that takes more than I deem required i.e. Town Hall Snipers that carry on to take loot.

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So kind of you to only do that if they attack a little more. Not for me though. I'm heartless. I'm an almost maxed th8 and I completely wreck any base that snipes my th (unless their th9/10 and I can't wreck them.) I've got a bucket load of trophies and millions of elixer/gold de from bases that came and did nothing but sniped my th. Love revenge :)

Free shield and tons of loot... keep the th snipers coming.

Ok yeah... this didn't really add to the conversation. I just couldn't resist replying to the above.

The discussion around shields/revenge would be helped if supercell could provide stats on how many shields are triggered by Th farmers (if it can be done, maybe how many shields are triggered with 1 star attacks?). From my own experience I suspect that a very large percentage of shields are given to players who leave the Th undefended & then have them destroyed by 2-4 toons. Significantly lowering the length of shield given for destroying the TH would help balance the situation & open players up to more attacks, or encourage them to get online more often.

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Originally Posted by AxionXD

Bingo.

It still blows my mind that people don't get this.

As frustrated as you may get, imagine how many are frustrated with you!

Current revenge system protects you as much as it protects them.

I don't get revenged often, but when I do, I get absolutely WRECKED. No thank you.

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I think the best way to limit this would be by loot, so that you can only revenge players that take a lot of loot from you, but you can revenge even if the other player has a shield. That would reduce the number of attacks, and the amount of loot that has to be stolen for you to be able to revenge should be based on TH or storage level.

The problem lies more with how easy it is to get a shield. I have my th outside of my walls, get attacked within 5 minutes the moment i log off. So that's a 5 minute window for someone to revenge me.
In my opinion supercell should focus on a way to make people want to protect their th. I still swear by a lootbonus for succesfull defences.

Agree totally. If the 'idea' of the game is to build up a big strong village then there needs to be a penalty for losing your Th instead of the current benefit. Lower the shield to 1hr maximum for the townhall, or use it as a multiplier for any shield earnt e.g. 2x, so if you get wrecked you get 9hrs & if the Th is wrecked as well then it becomes 2x9=18hrs, or better yet an increasing multiplier based on tiers of damage received or tiers of damage done to the enemy (they already track damage done against each individual toon so it's just a matter of adding that to a running total).

lowering the shield given for the Th while rebalancing to ensure that the full shield is still available when you have been trashed will alter the way revenge currently works (or doesn't work in this case) & encourage people to be online more often to keep collecting & spending. It encourages more attacks as people will be able to actually revenge those that attacked them as well as attack new people.

now to watch as everyone that likes to attack but not be attacked complain that zapping & shields are a valid tactic & we should just suck it up.......