Redoing the shield system

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Originally Posted by TheProFail

noooo
lets just say someone guards his storage's very well, and someone destroys 80% but dosent break the storages, the person who got attacked will not get a shield and lose trophies

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If they're pushing they'll be in a high enough league to get a shield anyway. If they're not pushing they probably have to trophy drop anyway.

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Originally Posted by DARWINIANS

The star system depends on how much damage you've caused in a base, not by how much loot you've stolen.

This idea would ruin the farming tactic as well as the trophy system.
Farming is a way in CoC to save up LOTS OF LOOT for further upgrades to one's base. Having this idea in the game would ruin it for everyone else.

...In what manner would farming be ruined, you might ask?
Let's just say a player named "Alex" is a farmer and has saved up 500K Gold and Elixir thanks to his farming skills. Then he goes off to take a rest. A few minutes later, somebody in a lower league comes in to attack Alex's base. He could just go and take out the Town Hall and leave but he didn't earn a star. He notices the loot and goes for it. He gets a star and leaves, with 250K Gold and Elixir stolen. Alex gets back on and sees his storages halved because of a recent attack.

...I just noticed while I was typing this down, this idea is like farming and trophy-pushing combined. Someone wants trophies and he has to steal about 150K of available loot to get a star and immediately leave.. But this strategy would be quite hard to do as farming bases have their storages inside surrounded by defenses.

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I can't take anyone's opinion seriously if they think you can get 50% of their loot stolen.

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

Since I'm suggesting something fairly radical, I ask people to view this idea as if they were creating the game in the first place and not be predisposed to shoot down any idea which is different than they've grown accustomed to. The fact that you get a shield at 40% destruction and 90% destruction is completely arbitrary and has nothing to do with what's the best way to actually allocate shields.

That said, the primary purpose of a shield is to prevent a player from losing too much loot from one attack to the next. Instead of awarding a shield based on percent of the base destroyed, why not give shields after a certain amount of loot has been stolen? Assuming the victim doesn't attack again, this would be added from attack to attack, and after the threshold has been crossed, a shield is then given for the appropriate time. Allow me to provide an example:

As a Town Hall 8, I can have a maximum of 300k of each resource stolen in one raid. For a 12 hour shield, let's divide that in half, and say I get a 12 hour shield when 150,000 resources total (gold+elixir) are stolen, and if 300,000 resources are stolen, I get a 16 hour shield. We can also choose an independent amount of DE that can be used in conjunction with the basic resources, but I'm not going to give a numerical suggestion on those, but if you get zapped bad I think you should get a shield. Anyway, so let's say the first raid hits you for 140,000 resources. If a second raid hits you for 10,000 before you attack, then you get a 12 hour shield, and a 160,000 raid would offer the 16 hour shield. This also removes people getting shields for being TH sniped.

Why do I propose this? It solves many of the problems associated with DE zapping and the revenge feature. People can never get revenge if bases are town hall sniped the second they go offline, and now to get a shield you will have to suffer an actual attack. This can then give more value to trophies, because you won't be hoping someone takes a couple sniping to give you a free shield after every attacking session, and also might encourage more attacking because it means less instant shields after signing off so people have more incentive to attack. If people want to leave their TH outside to drop trophies, that's up to them, but they'd no longer be immune to attack. Attackers can now find more loot since people won't be able to hide their loot, and all in all this would make the game more fun.

Are there any drawbacks to this idea other than people want free shields and this isn't how the game has always been done?

EDIT: To take into account loot might have on trophy pushing in higher leagues, we could include the win bonus into the formula for gold/elixir.. So if the threshold for a shield is 200k elixir and gold and someone attacked for trophies at a loss for the profit and got 100k as a league bonus that 100k would be added to the amount needed for a shield.

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Fully agree.... revenge shouldn't be guaranteed, but it needs to have improved chance. ... also more fat loot bases in the "next" queue is good, a new take on the shield would achieve both... ;)

This is very similar to an idea that I came up with last march in response to Warren's ill fated thead. The initial post I made is on page four of that thread here: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-Attacks/page4

I did flesh it out to prevent the "leave your storages out" problem and create an entirely new thread but it didn't get much traction and I am unable to bring it up in my search results now. While I can agree that something like this may be a better design in concept the big problem is . . . CoC is a HUGELY successful cash cow. Making sweeping changes to the core gameplay design mid-stream is a horrible, terrible, idiotic, stupid, crazy, foolish idea from a business perspective.

Should SC really risk hundreds of millions of dollars with sweeping changes that the community has been very vocal against just because it makes more sense, or should they continue making small additions and tweaks while releasing new content and ensuring they keep their massive revenue generator healthy? If it is my hundreds of millions of dollars I know what the answer is. Is reworking the shield/loot system good design? . . . probably. Is it a good idea? . . . 99% certainly not. Unfortunate but true. Work the new system into CoC2 or whatever game follows.

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

Yes exactly. If we don't do it this way, then you can get hit for just under the threshold over and over and lose all of your resources, which wouldn't be fun for anyone. I just think it's ridiculous that you get a 12 hour shield for being TH sniped, but I can take 400k resources out of collectors and decide to be a jerk and leave them at 39% so they get raided again for 200k right after. Who deserves the shield more? Also, this would give incentives for people trying to push to not throw all their loot away, which means more loot at all levels.

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1k below the shield will be the new 39%

If this would be real
after one day
i wake up go on clash and see
chief the village was attacked while you were gone
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