Set Giant Bombs to Hero mode

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May 24th, 2015
thebuch4

Set Giant Bombs to Hero mode

Obviously, everyone knows dragons are ridiculously overpowered at TH7 and TH8 levels. Some people will probably try to justify it for whatever reason, but with a dragon heavy attack (and lavaloonian on their TH9s), in our current 30v30 war our clan should have 90 stars in 31 attacks (because someone two starred a TH8 with 5 dragons and a lot of hogs.. hate it when people go against the formula!). Anyway, something that bugs me is that even if you build a defense against dragons and should hold them to one star, they can just drop their hero in after and their dragons will still have cleared out half the base (except maybe an AD that held strong), and the Barb King has a free path to level the TH and they get two stars anyway.

At this point, some will probably say something like it's in the game blah blah blah, but the difference between mass air attacks and mass ground attacks that makes mass air attacks even more overpowered is that in a mass air attack, they can clear out *all* of the relevant ground defenses and clear the way completely for heros. With mass ground attacks, I tell people they're stupid if they take a dragon or something in the CC because the opponent gets seeking air mines to blow up their dragons on the spot.. On the ground side, you simply cannot take out their air traps, but air troops can clear a way that cannot stop troops too heavy for spring traps.

How can we change that? I have a couple ideas:

Set giant bombs to "heavy" or "hero" mode, in heavy mode they will do 2,000 damage but ONLY be triggered by heavy troops, so hogs, wizards, and witches will go right over them. Further, the 2,000 damage will be solely concentrated on that one heavy troop, which basically creates a ground answer for the seeking air mine.

My other, more creative alternate idea is a hero snare that immobilizes a hero and drags him to a certain place of your choosing (maybe a 5 tile range). To save the hero, a ground troop that the hero did not summon and is not a hero must come to the aid of the hero and cut him/her free. The hero can still attack from the location he's snared at, so choose the location carefully as the trap will pull the hero to the center of the trap.
May 25th, 2015
MrkSjr

so... where's the anti hog GB going?

why make a ground version of the SAM? remember, ground defenses include cannons,ATs, WTs, mortars, Xbows, inferno, Springs, bombs, GBs, skeleton traps, and walls (lots of them). ground units are vulnerable to every defense except air def, air bombs and SAMs.

defenses can beat up high hp troops while they hit walls while mortars can squash archers and witches and wiz. with lots of ground traps, this balances ground combat, not sure with thehogs, cuz they go over walls :smirk:

so why make a 'heavy' giant bomb that is only triggered by heavy troops? that would cripple almost every base under the hog rider's hammer. :smirk:
May 25th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by MrkSjr

so... where's the anti hog GB going?

why make a ground version of the SAM? remember, ground defenses include cannons,ATs, WTs, mortars, Xbows, inferno, Springs, bombs, GBs, skeleton traps, and walls (lots of them). ground units are vulnerable to every defense except air def, air bombs and SAMs.

defenses can beat up high hp troops while they hit walls while mortars can squash archers and witches and wiz. with lots of ground traps, this balances ground combat, not sure with thehogs, cuz they go over walls :smirk:

so why make a 'heavy' giant bomb that is only triggered by heavy troops? that would cripple almost every base under the hog rider's hammer. :smirk:

Well the idea is that you can either have your giant bombs in hog mode or heavy mode. Reread my original point, the purpose is that air troops can wipe out literally all of the anti ground defenses (other than bombs/giant bombs/skeleton traps, which do nothing by themselves to heros). The defenses can't beat up the heroes if dragons killed them and everything other than the last AD and the town hall.
May 25th, 2015
Allinone27

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

Well the idea is that you can either have your giant bombs in hog mode or heavy mode. Reread my original point, the purpose is that air troops can wipe out literally all of the anti ground defenses (other than bombs/giant bombs/skeleton traps, which do nothing by themselves to heros). The defenses can't beat up the heroes if dragons killed them and everything other than the last AD and the town hall.

So which one is it? A hog/heavy mode or a heavy/hero mode? :)
May 25th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by Allinone27

So which one is it? A hog/heavy mode or a heavy/hero mode? :)

Thought I was consistent, it's always hogs (deadly damage to whatever troops cross) mode or heavy/hero mode (same thing, devastating damage to one troop which is too heavy for spring traps)

It would also make base making more interesting, I think the standard would be a double giant bomb somewhere and then some set in heavy mode where you think the heroes or golems are coming from.
May 25th, 2015
Flaxor

Hero snare!!!!

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

My other, more creative alternate idea is a hero snare that immobilizes a hero and drags him to a certain place of your choosing (maybe a 5 tile range). To save the hero, a ground troop that the hero did not summon and is not a hero must come to the aid of the hero and cut him/her free. The hero can still attack from the location he's snared at, so choose the location carefully as the trap will pull the hero to the center of the trap.

That sounds really cool, and it may answer both ideas. If there was a snare or trap for "larger-than-spring-trap-troops," that would work on Heroes, Golems, and Pekkas really well. Just a 5 second snare could mean all the difference when having a golem tank up damage for some archers or wizards. Or if a hero gets caught in it just after being boosted with rage, could destroy the use of rage mode. I really like this idea. :thumbsup:
May 25th, 2015
Azenon

Hey you forgot to mention the stat scaling of two new modes.Please specify the details like damage,trigger radius,duration of ensnare etc. for each level
May 25th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by Azenon

Hey you forgot to mention the stat scaling of two new modes.Please specify the details like damage,trigger radius,duration of ensnare etc. for each level

I didn't "forget", the rules of this forum state to make your ideas more conceptual and to not worry about the exact stats. The balancing is supercell's job. We say that a ground version of the SAM (or a snare) is needed, they run their tests to figure out how to make it useful but not OP. And offenses get a freeze spell, why not a way for defenses to snare the offenses biggest troops?
May 25th, 2015
pavrl2

Stupid idea.
May 25th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by pavrl2

Stupid idea.

Why? Because air attacks aren't already overpowered? At TH7 and TH8, dragons are ridiculously overpowered. At TH9, lavaloonian is ridiculously overpowered. Want to ignore max walls at TH10? Go with air troops. So why not do something to bring balance with air and ground raids and slow the use of heroes in conjunction with already overpowered air raids? Or are you going to tell me that air rides aren't OP at most phases of the game?
May 25th, 2015
GolemSmasher

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

Obviously, everyone knows dragons are ridiculously overpowered at TH7 and TH8 levels. Some people will probably try to justify it for whatever reason, but with a dragon heavy attack (and lavaloonian on their TH9s), in our current 30v30 war our clan should have 90 stars in 31 attacks (because someone two starred a TH8 with 5 dragons and a lot of hogs.. hate it when people go against the formula!). Anyway, something that bugs me is that even if you build a defense against dragons and should hold them to one star, they can just drop their hero in after and their dragons will still have cleared out half the base (except maybe an AD that held strong), and the Barb King has a free path to level the TH and they get two stars anyway.

At this point, some will probably say something like it's in the game blah blah blah, but the difference between mass air attacks and mass ground attacks that makes mass air attacks even more overpowered is that in a mass air attack, they can clear out *all* of the relevant ground defenses and clear the way completely for heros. With mass ground attacks, I tell people they're stupid if they take a dragon or something in the CC because the opponent gets seeking air mines to blow up their dragons on the spot.. On the ground side, you simply cannot take out their air traps, but air troops can clear a way that cannot stop troops too heavy for spring traps.

How can we change that? I have a couple ideas:

Set giant bombs to "heavy" or "hero" mode, in heavy mode they will do 2,000 damage but ONLY be triggered by heavy troops, so hogs, wizards, and witches will go right over them. Further, the 2,000 damage will be solely concentrated on that one heavy troop, which basically creates a ground answer for the seeking air mine.

My other, more creative alternate idea is a hero snare that immobilizes a hero and drags him to a certain place of your choosing (maybe a 5 tile range). To save the hero, a ground troop that the hero did not summon and is not a hero must come to the aid of the hero and cut him/her free. The hero can still attack from the location he's snared at, so choose the location carefully as the trap will pull the hero to the center of the trap.

stick with the one they have now, trust me :) u dont want the past to happen again (hogs)......................
May 26th, 2015
CaptainSport

To your first point, a mid upgraded TH8 can withstand dragon attacks if they used a good base layout.
To your "hero" mode GB, you need to make a weakness to it, just like the SAM can target a balloon and waste its damage potential, this bomb should be triggered by wizards and valkyries. Plus, it wouldn't be helpful to any townhall lower than 10, because if even one GB is set to hero mode, hogs can overrun bases again.
May 26th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by GolemSmasher

stick with the one they have now, trust me :) u dont want the past to happen again (hogs)......................

Then keep them in hog/light mode to do a lot of damage to all of the troops.