Nerf town hall 9

TH9 gets a huge boost, both in defending and attacking abilities. For example, they get xBows, the AQ, 20 more levels of heros, many max troops, and all the dark troops.
I think that maybe we should move some upgrades to town hall 8 or hold them back to town hall 10.
AQ: This is a game changer. However, this should stay at town hall 9 due to the lack of de at th8.
Witches: Either this should be given to town hall 8 or lava hounds moved to town hall 10. This is due to the fact that many late th8s have too much excess elixer with nowhere to spend it.
Spell factory: I'm kind of 50-50 about this...
In conclusion, Some upgrades in town hall 9 should be moved back to town hall 8 or held back to town hall 10, or else people would get too much for they're 3 mil gold.

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Originally Posted by Lavaclaw

TH9 gets a huge boost, both in defending and attacking abilities. For example, they get xBows, the AQ, 20 more levels of heros, many max troops, and all the dark troops.
I think that maybe we should move some upgrades to town hall 8 or hold them back to town hall 10.
AQ: This is a game changer. However, this should stay at town hall 9 due to the lack of de at th8.
Witches: Either this should be given to town hall 8 or lava hounds moved to town hall 10. This is due to the fact that many late th8s have too much excess elixer with nowhere to spend it.
Spell factory: I'm kind of 50-50 about this...
In conclusion, Some upgrades in town hall 9 should be moved back to town hall 8 or held back to town hall 10, or else people would get too much for they're 3 mil gold.

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100% agree I am a maxed TH9 and I am never going to upgrade to lvl10 as I can't get 3 starred by a TH8 and I destroy most TH10

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A big gap of power between TH8 and TH9. Totally agree with this

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Originally Posted by GoldRushB0ss

100% agree I am a maxed TH9 and I am never going to upgrade to lvl10 as I can't get 3 starred by a TH8 and I destroy most TH10

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out of topic: you said on an closed thread on a banned account that you are a TH10. :facepalm:

back to topic: nothing to say. I aint th9 yet

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Originally Posted by Lavaclaw

TH9 gets a huge boost, both in defending and attacking abilities. For example, they get xBows, the AQ, 20 more levels of heros, many max troops, and all the dark troops.
I think that maybe we should move some upgrades to town hall 8 or hold them back to town hall 10.
AQ: This is a game changer. However, this should stay at town hall 9 due to the lack of de at th8.
Witches: Either this should be given to town hall 8 or lava hounds moved to town hall 10. This is due to the fact that many late th8s have too much excess elixer with nowhere to spend it.
Spell factory: I'm kind of 50-50 about this...
In conclusion, Some upgrades in town hall 9 should be moved back to town hall 8 or held back to town hall 10, or else people would get too much for they're 3 mil gold.

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Gonna have to disagree with you, 10 gets enough as it is, holding some stuff off to 10 would be catastrophic for 9's. I wouldn't be too opposed to 8's getting witches, I don't think that would unbalance it too much, also could BK go to 15 for TH8? Would that be a huge imbalance?

I think th8 should get the jump spells.

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Originally Posted by itmustbeaustin

Gonna have to disagree with you, 10 gets enough as it is, holding some stuff off to 10 would be catastrophic for 9's. I wouldn't be too opposed to 8's getting witches, I don't think that would unbalance it too much, also could BK go to 15 for TH8? Would that be a huge imbalance?

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I think this is a fair compromise.

People's stupidity is expected, but this thread take them to a whole new level.

Let's nerf TH10, they have infernos and lvl 7 troops; They can destroy TH9's.

Let's nerf TH9, they have x-bows and lvl 6 troops; They can destroy TH8's.

Let's nerf TH8, they have 4 mortars and lvl 5 troops; They can destroy TH7's.


What's the point of having HIGHER TH LEVELS?

Have higher defense and offense capabilities.

I can kinda see where you're coming from, but I think this is more of a "this is where I'm at and it's not fair!" than a "this would be good for the game" thread. As someone else said, TH10's defensive upgrades are insane, and moving anything from TH9 to 10 just makes it that much harder than it already is for a TH9 to attack one.


Personally, I was routinely 2 starring TH9s at TH8, and even occasionally 2 starring a TH9 at TH7. Now I'm late stage TH9, and finally getting to the point that I have a shot at 2 starring decent TH10s. From my perspective, and several others' on this forum, TH9 should actually be getting level 4 PEKKA and dragon (perhaps with a slight nerf), because those 2 troops don't get upgrades at TH9, and become basically useless against other TH9s, and certainly TH10s.

On the flip side, TH10s, assuming they're decent attackers, can still 3 star my base without too much trouble. What I have noticed though, both from myself and other members in my clan, is that early to mid TH9s have more trouble 3 starring a well designed max TH8 than any TH8 has 3 starring a max TH7. And certainly it's easier for a TH8 to 3 star a TH8 than it is for a TH9 to 3 star a TH9. It also takes a lot longer for a TH9 to become capable of 2 starring a TH10 than it does for a TH8 to become capable of 2 starring a TH9. But all this is pretty much how it should be, and I'm guessing you're just at the stage where you're getting smashed a lot by TH9s and don't like it. Supercell spent a long time trying to figure out the balance though. My advice would be sit in crystal 3, put your TH out and tough it out.

Anyway, here are my responses to the suggestions:

AQ has to stay at TH9, but I always thought letting TH9 go all the way up to 30 was insane. Maybe 20 or 25 would be better, but really, how many TH9s do you actually see with maxed heroes, or even level 25?

BK could go to 15 at TH8 and I don't think that would be a huge deal, especially since TH8 has 2 drills now. I'd probably leave it at level 30 for TH9 though. And I really think TH9 should get the 3rd drill, as it uses way more DE than TH7 or 8.

Spell Factory: I wouldn't mind seeing TH8s have jump, just as I would love to have access to freeze at TH9 so I have a better shot at TH10s (especially those w leveled up infernos), but the real issue is the spell spots. Giving TH8s 4 spell spots or TH9s 5 would be OP.

Witches: I wouldn't be opposed to moving them down to TH8, but they might need a slight nerf (4-5 skeletons at a time instead of 6?). It would also take the load off TH9 and 10 when the higher level dark troops come out.

Lava Hounds: I actually thought for a while that they should make hounds the 5th troop unlocked in the DB, give them to TH8, and possibly move valks down to TH7. This would make balloons a more viable option at TH8, but the hounds would probably have to be nerfed some so they're not OP. TH8s can already 3 star max TH8s with dragaloon though, so it isn't really necessary. As for moving them to TH10, that is a non-starter. They were given to TH9 because TH9s don't get a drag upgrade, level 3 drags are too weak at TH9 to be of much use, and max balloonion is only a 2 star strategy as well. Excess elixir? Not a problem. Make stronger armies, put it out with your TH, or move to TH9.

♥♥♥♥... I meant to make a new thread.

I just came up with a way to largely if not entirely deal with the "problem" of zapping and all the complaints about it.


Instead of lightning, TH5 would get the heal spell.
Then TH6 would get rage.
TH 7 would get jump.
TH 9 would get freeze.

Lightning would not be available until TH10. Either that or it would be gotten rid of entirely for something that is more useful. (Say a spell that adds time to the battle?)

Maybe the numbers are off, but town hall 8 isn't getting updates that are good for the TH level.
Perhaps holding off upgrades to town hall 10 would be disastrous, but if you think about it, the lower town hall levels get less time for upgrades, while town hall 9 and 10 get the new toys.
It was just a lot of luck for the air sweeper, but that was all the way from TH6 up.
At the very least, town hall 8 should get SOME boost in the next update.
If you're thinking: "Why would I stay at TH8 then?" some answers are:
"I want to live the game to it's fullest (sorry rushers, hope you know what I mean)"
"I think maxing out would be better for me"
etc.

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Originally Posted by Lavaclaw

Maybe the numbers are off, but town hall 8 isn't getting updates that are good for the TH level.
Perhaps holding off upgrades to town hall 10 would be disastrous, but if you think about it, the lower town hall levels get less time for upgrades, while town hall 9 and 10 get the new toys.
It was just a lot of luck for the air sweeper, but that was all the way from TH6 up.
At the very least, town hall 8 should get SOME boost in the next update.
If you're thinking: "Why would I stay at TH8 then?" some answers are:
"I want to live the game to it's fullest (sorry rushers, hope you know what I mean)"
"I think maxing out would be better for me"
etc.

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I think there are only two things that need to be added at TH8 and that is 5 more levels of Barb King and Level 3 Golems this is is primarily to help them raid at TH9 level.
TH 8 is an interesting level because they can be effectively raided by th7s and they can be decimated by TH9s the only difference unless using full on gowipe with the help of a max level pekka a TH8 stands very little chance of taking on a TH9.

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Originally Posted by awesomness2016

♥♥♥♥... I meant to make a new thread.

I just came up with a way to largely if not entirely deal with the "problem" of zapping and all the complaints about it.


Instead of lightning, TH5 would get the heal spell.
Then TH6 would get rage.
TH 7 would get jump.
TH 9 would get freeze.

Lightning would not be available until TH10. Either that or it would be gotten rid of entirely for something that is more useful. (Say a spell that adds time to the battle?)

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so basically a spell that isnt much use at th10 only gets unlocked at th10? this isn't even worth arguing about, i have no problem with zapping, and the complaints will go away when you stop moaning about it

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Originally Posted by Lavaclaw

Maybe the numbers are off, but town hall 8 isn't getting updates that are good for the TH level.
Perhaps holding off upgrades to town hall 10 would be disastrous, but if you think about it, the lower town hall levels get less time for upgrades, while town hall 9 and 10 get the new toys.
It was just a lot of luck for the air sweeper, but that was all the way from TH6 up.
At the very least, town hall 8 should get SOME boost in the next update.
If you're thinking: "Why would I stay at TH8 then?" some answers are:
"I want to live the game to it's fullest (sorry rushers, hope you know what I mean)"
"I think maxing out would be better for me"
etc.

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New offensive toys you get at each TH level:

TH7, Rage, BK, Minions, Hogs, Dragon
TH8, Pekka, Valks, Golems (and a ridiculously long lab time if you max TH8 lab)
TH9, Jump, AQ, Witches, Hound
TH10, Freeze (with some of those empty slots to be TH10 troops I am guessing)

New toys in some of the recent updates off the top of my head:

TH6: Air Blower
TH7: DE drill
TH8: skeleton trap, extra collector and mine level, additional DE drill (you could argue the additional DE drill is from TH7 but then that ignores the fact that TH9 and TH10 didn't get an additional one)
TH9: Hound
TH10: extra level on cannon, archer tower and tesla

Point is whether you state lower TH levels get no love from SC, this shows there is plenty of stuff offensively for TH8 and there is some new content which benefits the lower TH levels. It also shows that gains troops/heroes/spells wise from TH9-10 is numerically smaller, than what you receive at TH7 and TH8. The figure stands at 5 for TH9 & TH10 combined vs 8 for Th7 and TH8.

With regards to content from new updates: whilst TH9 received a hound and TH10 received an extra level on 3 existing defences, TH6 receives a new defence, TH7 receives a drill, TH8 receives skeleton trap and new level on collectors and mine and a new drill (4 things!!).

Still think SC shows no love to TH8?

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Originally Posted by JKL2207

New offensive toys you get at each TH level:

TH7, Rage, BK, Minions, Hogs, Dragon
TH8, Pekka, Valks, Golems (and a ridiculously long lab time if you max TH8 lab)
TH9, Jump, AQ, Witches, Hound
TH10, Freeze (with some of those empty slots to be TH10 troops I am guessing)

New toys in some of the recent updates off the top of my head:

TH6: Air Blower
TH7: DE drill
TH8: skeleton trap, extra collector and mine level, additional DE drill (you could argue the additional DE drill is from TH7 but then that ignores the fact that TH9 and TH10 didn't get an additional one)
TH9: Hound
TH10: extra level on cannon, archer tower and tesla

Point is whether you state lower TH levels get no love from SC, this shows there is plenty of stuff offensively for TH8 and there is some new content which benefits the lower TH levels. It also shows that gains troops/heroes/spells wise from TH9-10 is numerically smaller, than what you receive at TH7 and TH8. The figure stands at 5 for TH9 & TH10 combined vs 8 for Th7 and TH8.

With regards to content from new updates: whilst TH9 received a hound and TH10 received an extra level on 3 existing defences, TH6 receives a new defence, TH7 receives a drill, TH8 receives skeleton trap and new level on collectors and mine and a new drill (4 things!!).

Still think SC shows no love to TH8?

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Whilst all this is true TH8 gets a lot less new troops and more importantly a lot less levels the extra collectors and drills are just another item that needs protecting it was hard enough to make a decent defence when they added the 4th mortar - which I am still trying to work out if it was an advantage or not. Now with the airsweeper and no extra walls I would say yes they are giving some new "toys" but not necessarily to the benefit of the town hall as a whole.

And considering these new toys are available to higher town halls (aswell) and with no new troops or troop levels for TH8 - I would say that actually the town hall level has been dealt quite a short hand.

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Originally Posted by Lavaclaw

TH9 gets a huge boost, both in defending and attacking abilities. For example, they get xBows, the AQ, 20 more levels of heros, many max troops, and all the dark troops.
I think that maybe we should move some upgrades to town hall 8 or hold them back to town hall 10.
AQ: This is a game changer. However, this should stay at town hall 9 due to the lack of de at th8.
Witches: Either this should be given to town hall 8 or lava hounds moved to town hall 10. This is due to the fact that many late th8s have too much excess elixer with nowhere to spend it.
Spell factory: I'm kind of 50-50 about this...
In conclusion, Some upgrades in town hall 9 should be moved back to town hall 8 or held back to town hall 10, or else people would get too much for they're 3 mil gold.

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I guess your th8? As a max th9 (excluding a few traps, 11 BK lvls and 10 AQ levels, and I have only 22 lavas I think), I can see your pain. But let me tell you, life as th8 is already much easier than as th9. Th10 aren't a pain, because of the loot penalty, hardly any th8 farming army obliterates another th8, etc. Also, to your point "why should I stay th8" think "why should I upgrade my th" if all the toys were given to th8.

As for moving troops for lower town hall levels, that's not something to be considered.
You get 2 dark troops every th lvl from 7 above (th7: minion, hog, th8: valkyrie, golem, th9:witch, hound, th10: the two remaining spots) so moving them would break the balance regarding dark barrack upgrades /dark troop upgrades @th levels

Spells: If you give jump for th8, what advantage would that give when upgrading to th9? You'd have to give freeze to th9s, which th10s would be unsatisfied with as they'd lose the advantage. Just adding more trouble.

As for Xbows being a major buff to defence, they're merely two extra archer towers when regarding damage. And think for th7 how hard it is to attack a maxed th8? Th8s can perform as decent or even more capable attacks to th9s as it stands than th7s to th8s.

You have to keep the hierarchy balanced: a more advanced 'predator' will kill smaller ones. That's how it's goes.

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Originally Posted by Ectar

so basically a spell that isnt much use at th10 only gets unlocked at th10? this isn't even worth arguing about, i have no problem with zapping, and the complaints will go away when you stop moaning about it

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The suggestion should have been in sartalics. It was a joke.

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Originally Posted by ironagedave

I think there are only two things that need to be added at TH8 and that is 5 more levels of Barb King and Level 3 Golems this is is primarily to help them raid at TH9 level.
TH 8 is an interesting level because they can be effectively raided by th7s and they can be decimated by TH9s the only difference unless using full on gowipe with the help of a max level pekka a TH8 stands very little chance of taking on a TH9.

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I agree that 5 more levels of barb king and level 3 golems would be reasonable for TH8. I'd even go as far as to give valks to TH7 with 1 upgrade, and let TH8 have level 3 valks. Possibly even TH8 witches, but maybe with a nerf, not sure.

As for the rest, I don't really see it that way. At TH8, I was routinely raiding low to mid TH9s for 2 stars and 2/3 to 3/4 of their loot with a giant/wiz/healer army, and that was when healers were still susceptible to air bombs and mines. My gf would do the same, and also 2 star even high level TH9s with mass level 3 drags if she found the right base. I attacked TH9s with max TH8 GoWiPe too, but it was still a 2 star strategy unless it was a rushed or poorly designed base, so it didn't much matter which army I was using.



...as for new toys, so TH8 doesn't really get any exciting new defenses (unless you count the skeleton trap), but it does get an extra mortar, extra wizard tower, extra tesla, extra air defense, extra archer tower, and a lot more traps. Plus the upgrades are much more substantial...2 levels on the wizard towers, and the jump from 5 to 6 is twice as big as any of the previous ones. 3 levels on the teslas. 2 levels on the archer towers and cannons...so anyone complaining that the TH8s don't have enough defense to successfully defend TH9 attacks needs to think about TH7s trying to attack them. The reality is they sit pretty much right in the middle.

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Originally Posted by GoldRushB0ss

100% agree I am a maxed TH9 and I am never going to upgrade to lvl10 as I can't get 3 starred by a TH8 and I destroy most TH10

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Im not saying i cant destroy th10s but you say it like its soo simple. U da man! Hu da man? U da man!

Anyway, i disagree with the OP, decent th10s are way too strong to be fairly raidable by th9s unless they remain as they are. About the dark barracks, nothing shud be moved as we expect 4 more troops from that barrack in the future. Cant say how long but the next troop to come out will be a dark troop for th10. So let it stay as it is.

And besides, th10s are supposed to be stronger than th9s.

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Originally Posted by FlyMolo23

Im not saying i cant destroy th10s but you say it like its soo simple. U da man! Hu da man? U da man!

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Right? It takes forever to get the troops at TH9 to be able to attack a decent TH10. I'm finally getting golem 4. It's my last troop other than valks. My heroes are just now both level 10 and I've been at TH9 about 6 months. I'm just starting to be able to 2 star the kinds of TH10s my clan usually sees in war, but in most cases I wouldn't gamble on it.

As for my point "Why should I stay at town hall 8?" you do know many peeps are rushing to th 9 right?
Also, the things I suggested might be bad, but nevertheless, town hall 8 and 9 have such a big difference.
TBH, I AM a town hall 8, so I don't know if town hall 9 is brutal or something. I just looked at the number of things they got and thought it was OP.

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Originally Posted by Lavaclaw

TH9 gets a huge boost, both in defending and attacking abilities. For example, they get xBows, the AQ, 20 more levels of heros, many max troops, and all the dark troops.
I think that maybe we should move some upgrades to town hall 8 or hold them back to town hall 10.
AQ: This is a game changer. However, this should stay at town hall 9 due to the lack of de at th8.
Witches: Either this should be given to town hall 8 or lava hounds moved to town hall 10. This is due to the fact that many late th8s have too much excess elixer with nowhere to spend it.
Spell factory: I'm kind of 50-50 about this...
In conclusion, Some upgrades in town hall 9 should be moved back to town hall 8 or held back to town hall 10, or else people would get too much for they're 3 mil gold.

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the idea for every townhall offensively is to have a chance to 1-2 star against the next townhall level and completely dominate the previous, the second should not take very long either given that a person should be able to 3 star their current level before moving up one. As a newly acquired th9, I could 3 star th8s as long as my raid didn't fail when I was th8. Before upgrading my town hall I maxed everything. I feel as though now that I am a th9, there are upgrades that I am surprised aren't at th9. How is it that there are no PEKKA upgrades for th9. I also feel like level 4 dragons are wasted at th10, because how often they are not used above th8. Witches/hounds are fine at th9.
If anything should be moved it should be some hero levels, like 10-15 of barb king or 1-5 of Archer queen. currently, there is 5 levels for th7, 5 for th8 and a combined 50 for th9. leaving 20 left for th10.
Another idea would be to allow the ability to upgrade level 8 walls with elixir, because of the excess of elixir th8s have at the end.
And if you think it is bad going up against th9s, try looking at a th10 with a 3rd xbow and 2 inferno towers.
as a th8 you should have a chance to get 2 stars on th9s which in wars is a very successful attack even for other th9s. If your clan is losing your th9s should try 3 starring all the 8s and the th8s with strong gowipe 2 star th9s. Basically, at th8 mass dragons is better to use against another th8, where as go wipe is better to use as a th8 attacking a th9.

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Originally Posted by Lavaclaw

As for my point "Why should I stay at town hall 8?" you do know many peeps are rushing to th 9 right?
Also, the things I suggested might be bad, but nevertheless, town hall 8 and 9 have such a big difference.
TBH, I AM a town hall 8, so I don't know if town hall 9 is brutal or something. I just looked at the number of things they got and thought it was OP.

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Loot penalties.... At th8 you can max so many troops and some spells out before going to th9. there are so many things to upgrade at th9, why add more by rushing? Also at th9 you are more likely to get attacked by a th10 who has all maxed troops, because they are less likely to attack a th8 due to loot penalties.

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Originally Posted by Lavaclaw

TH9 gets a huge boost, both in defending and attacking abilities. For example, they get xBows, the AQ, 20 more levels of heros, many max troops, and all the dark troops.
I think that maybe we should move some upgrades to town hall 8 or hold them back to town hall 10.
AQ: This is a game changer. However, this should stay at town hall 9 due to the lack of de at th8.
Witches: Either this should be given to town hall 8 or lava hounds moved to town hall 10. This is due to the fact that many late th8s have too much excess elixer with nowhere to spend it.
Spell factory: I'm kind of 50-50 about this...
In conclusion, Some upgrades in town hall 9 should be moved back to town hall 8 or held back to town hall 10, or else people would get too much for they're 3 mil gold.

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True, this can also prevent town hall rushers, so they don't instantly rush to TH9 :P

Just gonna say this...
maxed town hall 8 almost can't 2 star a mid town hall 9..
just sayin

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Originally Posted by Lavaclaw

Just gonna say this...
maxed town hall 8 almost can't 2 star a mid town hall 9..
just sayin

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you might be doing it wrong

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Originally Posted by Lavaclaw

Just gonna say this...
maxed town hall 8 almost can't 2 star a mid town hall 9..
just sayin

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With barch, no.
With maxed TH8 gowipe, what are you talking about?

yeah im not an good attacker.. but my friends did the same thing. I did a gowipe on a town hall 9 and got 1 star because there were too many buildings so my troops didn't target the town hall, WHEN THEY WERE RIGHT NEXT TO IT!!!

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Originally Posted by sven986

you might be doing it wrong

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I'd say he is doing it wrong or that he is unlucky how the pekkas go. That is usually the deciding factor. I have always, so far, 2*d th9s. That being said I doubt I could, if they had maxed walls etc but that is proportional to th levels I.E. closer to TH10. All the ones i have come accross and attacked with heavy defences (eg xbows level 3) I have managed it.