Matchmaking is killing the game

I'm a nearly max TH8 with half lvl 8 walls, the rest lvl 7. Since the update this game has become horridly unplayable. Granted I can find raids a lot easier, but within 20 seconds of logging out my base will have been lightning'ed by 6 or 7 different players, before finally being given a shield by a TH9 that comes along and destroys my base with lvl 6 units at a measly 10% loss.

It means he gets 270k+ of each of my loot and over 2.3k DE while I try and save up for Golems.

I realise that Supercell wanted to make matchmaking easier, the downside is that it is benefiting a few high lvl TH9 and TH10 players while making the game unbearable for the majority of the players sitting around TH8 or so.

SOLUTION:

TH9's and TH10's have trouble finding loot, it's a fact that most bases are betweeen TH 6-8 - So why not remove the loot penalty associated with accounts if they've been AFK for MORE than 2weeks / or even a month! I mean lets face it, if they've been afk for a month, they probably only have extractors left with anything in them and they are no longer playing. It solves the issue of having to either stay logged in on a mobile game 24/7 without making searching for loot a drag.

Before people complain that this would make the game to easy on TH9's and TH 10's - there is nothing challenging about roflstomping a TH below you...regardless of upgrades or layout.

Anyway SUPERCELL​ Fix this before you alienate your casual playerbase for good.

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Originally Posted by Nazgould

I'm a nearly max TH8 with half lvl 8 walls, the rest lvl 7. Since the update this game has become horridly unplayable. Granted I can find raids a lot easier, but within 20 seconds of logging out my base will have been lightning'ed by 6 or 7 different players, before finally being given a shield by a TH9 that comes along and destroys my base with lvl 6 units at a measly 10% loss.

It means he gets 270k+ of each of my loot and over 2.3k DE while I try and save up for Golems.

I realise that Supercell wanted to make matchmaking easier, the downside is that it is benefiting a few high lvl TH9 and TH10 players while making the game unbearable for the majority of the players sitting around TH8 or so.

SOLUTION:

TH9's and TH10's have trouble finding loot, it's a fact that most bases are betweeen TH 6-8 - So why not remove the loot penalty associated with accounts if they've been AFK for MORE than 2weeks / or even a month! I mean lets face it, if they've been afk for a month, they probably only have extractors left with anything in them and they are no longer playing. It solves the issue of having to either stay logged in on a mobile game 24/7 without making searching for loot a drag.

Before people complain that this would make the game to easy on TH9's and TH 10's - there is nothing challenging about roflstomping a TH below you...regardless of upgrades or layout.

Anyway SUPERCELL​ Fix this before you alienate your casual playerbase for good.

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I like the idea of allowing afk bases to be attacked.

When you say remove the loot penalty, I assume you are referring to the 10% / 50% / 90% reductions that higher TH's receive when attacking them, and not simply allowing all their loot to be taken?

If so this is a great idea to allow higher TH's to make loot, without driving out the people that either pay for, or have recruited people who pay for the game.

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Originally Posted by Broxogar

I like the idea of allowing afk bases to be attacked.

When you say remove the loot penalty, I assume you are referring to the 10% / 50% / 90% reductions that higher TH's receive when attacking them, and not simply allowing all their loot to be taken?

If so this is a great idea to allow higher TH's to make loot, without driving out the people that either pay for, or have recruited people who pay for the game.

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Yeah this is precisely what I mean, allow the afk bases to give out their regular max loot, without any penalty for being a higher TH.

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Originally Posted by Nazgould

I'm a nearly max TH8 with half lvl 8 walls, the rest lvl 7. Since the update this game has become horridly unplayable. Granted I can find raids a lot easier, but within 20 seconds of logging out my base will have been lightning'ed by 6 or 7 different players, before finally being given a shield by a TH9 that comes along and destroys my base with lvl 6 units at a measly 10% loss.

It means he gets 270k+ of each of my loot and over 2.3k DE while I try and save up for Golems.

I realise that Supercell wanted to make matchmaking easier, the downside is that it is benefiting a few high lvl TH9 and TH10 players while making the game unbearable for the majority of the players sitting around TH8 or so.

SOLUTION:

TH9's and TH10's have trouble finding loot, it's a fact that most bases are betweeen TH 6-8 - So why not remove the loot penalty associated with accounts if they've been AFK for MORE than 2weeks / or even a month! I mean lets face it, if they've been afk for a month, they probably only have extractors left with anything in them and they are no longer playing. It solves the issue of having to either stay logged in on a mobile game 24/7 without making searching for loot a drag.

Before people complain that this would make the game to easy on TH9's and TH 10's - there is nothing challenging about roflstomping a TH below you...regardless of upgrades or layout.

Anyway SUPERCELL​ Fix this before you alienate your casual playerbase for good.

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Yes a very good idea nazgould this new match making is not working

I've got a mid th8, max th8 and a max th9. Nothing has changed except that I can raid a lot more. Everyone gets hit, not just you... There's always a bigger fish, remember that..

So you lose 250k and get a shield? Any player worry their salt should be raiding that amount many times over, if you are skipping and searching correctly and using cheap armies. You raid more than you lose in a single attack, and put your town hall outside, and you are in profit every time.

The only people this affects are casual players who can't/don't/won't raid more, and hence, play less and probably spend nothing.

Seeing as you got the game for free, and aren't the ones who fund it or enjoy it for as many minutes a day as those who do, why would SC invest money in the players who bring nothing in? Of course the game is gonna afapt to the more serious players.

There's reams of shovelware 'turn up when you feel and still progress' games on the app stores for casuals, so go play one of them.

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Originally Posted by Turnarcades

I've got a mid th8, max th8 and a max th9. Nothing has changed except that I can raid a lot more. Everyone gets hit, not just you... There's always a bigger fish, remember that..

So you lose 250k and get a shield? Any player worry their salt should be raiding that amount many times over, if you are skipping and searching correctly and using cheap armies. You raid more than you lose in a single attack, and put your town hall outside, and you are in profit every time.

The only people this affects are casual players who can't/don't/won't raid more, and hence, play less and probably spend nothing.

Seeing as you got the game for free, and aren't the ones who fund it or enjoy it for as many minutes a day as those who do, why would SC invest money in the players who bring nothing in? Of course the game is gonna afapt to the more serious players.

There's reams of shovelware 'turn up when you feel and still progress' games on the app stores for casuals, so go play one of them.

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How do you even know whether they pay or not arcades? How many people need to complain (considering the amount that will just uninstall) before you wake up?

Nazgould has not only complained but provided a solution... all you can do is the same tired (change the way u play) ♥♥♥♥ lol

Because as I hinted before, I work in video game development and marketing, and know exactly who brings in funds in a business model like this. Being able to see projections and income figures of customer base vs revenue, is how it's possible to know who spends money and who does not. Industry fact: casual players do not bring in significant income, hence why most free to play mobile games rely on pack-in advertising plug-ins. Clash Of Clans does not have pack-in advertising of any kind, and so once sponsorship money is discounted, their in-game purchase revenue will be where their profits come from, and they will know as every other person in the industry does that most of the revenue comes from regular, hooked and competitive players on a regular basis.

All this time you could have spent making your base awesome, or improving your game skills. During this time my bases, and those if all levels in my clan of varied th5-10, are doing awesome thanks to a bit of learning, appreciation of the new loot and improving their game :)

You've been offered solutions too, by me and many others who are having no problem at all and improved our misfortune by getting better at the game, not altering the game to suit you. If you were losing at football would you demand they make the opponents goal bigger and yours smaller? It's called competition, which more and more these days less people seem to be able to take.

And so the world of Clash keeps turning, with or without you.

In the interests of direct help on how to improve your game, maybe it's time we started a 'show us what you got' thread so the many many number of us who aren't struggling can give you direct pointers. I will bet the solution to most is that you simply don't play enough, bases are bad, and regardless of suggestions to get better, as most folks do, you would rather stamp your feet til the whole game is changed for you. Let's see.....

Staying logged in longer doesn't make you better at this game.

For interests sake chuck in your clan tag, I'd be interested to have a look at your base and see how pro you really are?

I think it ihas been abundantly established that those who will benefit the most are those that can stay logged in the longest. You don't work IN the gaming industry, at best you are adjacent to the gaming industry, and an outdated one as well.

The players who can play the most don't require gems, the players who can't put the time in can speed it up by paying, your friends* who say otherwise didn't crack the F2P model that clash did, and clash didn't do it by making a hardcore game, they cracked it by making a casual game.

Call people liars just cos you don't believe something? Sad...

whoever said aid pro Anyway? I said all my accounts are good enough to progress without getting pwned. My two war-only villages I rarely raid on, are lower level and are still progressing. I'm not the one complaining, so I don't need to prove anything. You're having the big problem, so post some pics and maybe you'll get help and advice relevant to you. You may not like it, but that's no one else's fault.

Time to put up or shut up I guess....? Note the layout, mid level walls and buildings, defence logs for over a week, and attack log.... Not attacked for 5 days!! And doing just fine..... wars help, and this account helps in wars....
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Having to to do these in sections cos of file size restrictions.

Can't upload any more to the thread for some reason, but you should be getting the idea. So if this and my other low account aren't struggling, and I havent attacked in 5 days there... Gaining loot instead from wars and 100% hits, just in case you were thinking they are unskilled looting (but I've hit higher than my mirror, and that's just 2 attacks in 2 days), then what's your excuse?

i don't need to say anymore... I can send reams of screenshots from my clan and you still wouldn't like the solution. You want the game made easier for you and even players who rarely play it or suck, rather than to get better at a game and find excuses as to why you can't or won't. Video games are meant to be a challenge, and you work out how to win. If everyone could play it any way they wanted and get the same results, it would be a sandbox, not a war game.

Demanding a game be made easier cos you can't beat it your way? You shouldn't be playing video games full stop. That's like being the spoiled kid in the park who cries and picks up his ball yelling "I'm taking my ball home and telling my Mom!" Cos you suck and your team is losing. Can't win? Don't play. SC won't miss you, and neither will the other players.

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Originally Posted by Turnarcades

Can't upload any more to the thread for some reason, but you should be getting the idea. So if this and my other low account aren't struggling, and I havent attacked in 5 days there... Gaining loot instead from wars and 100% hits, just in case you were thinking they are unskilled looting (but I've hit higher than my mirror, and that's just 2 attacks in 2 days), then what's your excuse?

i don't need to say anymore... I can send reams of screenshots from my clan and you still wouldn't like the solution. You want the game made easier for you and even players who rarely play it or suck, rather than to get better at a game and find excuses as to why you can't or won't. Video games are meant to be a challenge, and you work out how to win. If everyone could play it any way they wanted and get the same results, it would be a sandbox, not a war game.

Demanding a game be made easier cos you can't beat it your way? You shouldn't be playing video games full stop. That's like being the spoiled kid in the park who cries and picks up his ball yelling "I'm taking my ball home and telling my Mom!" Cos you suck and your team is losing. Can't win? Don't play. SC won't miss you, and neither will the other players.

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Umm....these attacks are from 5 days+ ago....

Your defence log has spacings of between 12-16 hours on every single attack.

Which means you are barely playing this character if at all, given that you've got less than 1.5mil gold and even less elixir it is no wonder you aren't getting attacked much on your alt that you apparently barely touch....

I fail to see how this has any relevance on the TH7's and 8's that are logging in to raid 3 / 4/ 5 / 8 times a day and when raiding before logging out, are instantly belted for more than they can take (if they have a reasonable amount of loot)

Because everyone was moaning that they were getting hit 'several times every time they log off for massive loot'. The point was to demonstrate that this base is played casual, has loot in its stirages, and isn't getting hit for 500k 3 times on every log off, it's getting sniped. The defence logs go back 5 days, and go up to present. There hasn't been an attack because it is being used in wars, and I don't raid during wars.

Point is the base is being played casually, collected on time, yet on the few raids being done and with wars thrown in, is turning a profit, and NOT getting blitzed every time a shield breaks because it is set up properly.

You really astound me. Even when you ask for evidence and its pushed in your face you have to try and reason round it. Then you're copypasting posts and making accusations that everyone must be manipulating the truth or lying about how well they're doing or suggesting they must be no-lifers to be able to raid efficiently. It's not about staying online all day, it's about using that time most efficiently - any good player will tell you that.

Maybe if you got out of silver (where everyone ran in a panic to find loot recently if you check the forums) and you and your clan didn't have open, square layouts and used compartmentalise layouts better they wouldn't look so inviting to the scrubs of all th levels low or high, all hiding in the lower leagues or searching for that bounty. You're an early th9, and everyone got hit harder at early th9, pre or post update. There are others surfacing now who are admitting it's tough, but pre-update the jump to th9 was always a tough one. Unlike other levels, before the update people were bullied relentlessly by th9's well into the level... For months in fact, cos they were getting hit by the highest level in the game - th10's. Of course the jumps to each level are tougher, every jump should be; its called a difficulty curve. In some games it spikes at points. Maybe it has been made tougher... But you either adapt to that of you don't... You don't demand the game adapts to you. I'm nearly th10 now,and when it turns im sure I'm going to get hit bad, so I will adapt or quit. My sub accounts are th8 and a new th9 just like you, both played casually, but played well so they always turn a profit. But I'm not gonna ask them to change the game to make it easier for me.

Again you're accusing folks of being non casual cos they are now th10.... The games been around for 3 years now and playing casually that's very possible. And hypocritically, saying they can't be casual cos of all their posts, yet in the last fortnight you've habitually been on here yourself to jump on every matchmaking thread, follow me around to insult me and now taking time going back through others posts to pick apart their stories like there's some kind of conspiracy.... All this time you say you don't have for the game, yet here you are instead...

The more you go on the more you appear to be a whiner, childish enough to stamp your feet and demand the game be made easier to suit you rather than get better, refuse the suggestions to help improve your game, and pick apart people to delve into their stories or find cracks to prove they MUST be lying if they are doing well.....

Sorry, but it's not only showing a bad player who can't roll with the punches, but blatant denial,hypocrisy and conspiracy paranoia puts you in the territory of flat out narcissism.

I'm done with you man, and I'd reccommend anyone else not bother with you too. You will never believe anyone else can possibly be doing it better than you, even if it's slapped round your face like a kipper.

Pool's closed man, time to go home.

not sure why everyone is complaining about the matchmaking. granted, i had my doubts in the beginning as i used to lay down 3 attacks an hr. netting 100k-250k per attack. But you just have to work a little harder for it. Barching with my TH10 troops not soo successful unles i find an inactive base with collectors full. (which is not so often) but making better troops before going out looking for loot, has netted me over 300k/ea. resource and upwards of 1-3k dk every attack. the new matchmaking is just making it where you have to work for it. i am still gaining upwards of 3-4 million a day. i find it best with farming base and TH on outside, so when you log off TH snipers come through and provide free shield until troops and spells ready to go for next victim. there may need to be some tweaks to it but overall its not too bad. most people complaining are rushed bases and trying to play catch up.

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Originally Posted by Turnarcades

Because everyone was moaning that they were getting hit 'several times every time they log off for massive loot'. The point was to demonstrate that this base is played casual, has loot in its stirages, and isn't getting hit for 500k 3 times on every log off, it's getting sniped. The defence logs go back 5 days, and go up to present. There hasn't been an attack because it is being used in wars, and I don't raid during wars.

Point is the base is being played casually, collected on time, yet on the few raids being done and with wars thrown in, is turning a profit, and NOT getting blitzed every time a shield breaks because it is set up properly.

You really astound me. Even when you ask for evidence and its pushed in your face you have to try and reason round it. Then you're copypasting posts and making accusations that everyone must be manipulating the truth or lying about how well they're doing or suggesting they must be no-lifers to be able to raid efficiently. It's not about staying online all day, it's about using that time most efficiently - any good player will tell you that.

Maybe if you got out of silver (where everyone ran in a panic to find loot recently if you check the forums) and you and your clan didn't have open, square layouts and used compartmentalise layouts better they wouldn't look so inviting to the scrubs of all th levels low or high, all hiding in the lower leagues or searching for that bounty. You're an early th9, and everyone got hit harder at early th9, pre or post update. There are others surfacing now who are admitting it's tough, but pre-update the jump to th9 was always a tough one. Unlike other levels, before the update people were bullied relentlessly by th9's well into the level... For months in fact, cos they were getting hit by the highest level in the game - th10's. Of course the jumps to each level are tougher, every jump should be; its called a difficulty curve. In some games it spikes at points. Maybe it has been made tougher... But you either adapt to that of you don't... You don't demand the game adapts to you. I'm nearly th10 now,and when it turns im sure I'm going to get hit bad, so I will adapt or quit. My sub accounts are th8 and a new th9 just like you, both played casually, but played well so they always turn a profit. But I'm not gonna ask them to change the game to make it easier for me.

Again you're accusing folks of being non casual cos they are now th10.... The games been around for 3 years now and playing casually that's very possible. And hypocritically, saying they can't be casual cos of all their posts, yet in the last fortnight you've habitually been on here yourself to jump on every matchmaking thread, follow me around to insult me and now taking time going back through others posts to pick apart their stories like there's some kind of conspiracy.... All this time you say you don't have for the game, yet here you are instead...

The more you go on the more you appear to be a whiner, childish enough to stamp your feet and demand the game be made easier to suit you rather than get better, refuse the suggestions to help improve your game, and pick apart people to delve into their stories or find cracks to prove they MUST be lying if they are doing well.....

Sorry, but it's not only showing a bad player who can't roll with the punches, but blatant denial,hypocrisy and conspiracy paranoia puts you in the territory of flat out narcissism.

I'm done with you man, and I'd reccommend anyone else not bother with you too. You will never believe anyone else can possibly be doing it better than you, even if it's slapped round your face like a kipper.

Pool's closed man, time to go home.

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There is something wrong with the match making system. Some people are experiencing the issues and others are not. After looking at many bases and talking with different people its has nothing to do with you, its something fundamentally wrong with match making.

The other day I got raided 6 times in five minutes after logging off. Lost 500k g/e and 3000 DE. I am mid TH8.

Now I go look at my friend who is also mid TH8 but hasn't played in a couple weeks and his base has sat untouched for over week. His collectors are full and his base is easy to attack. yet sits untouched day after day.

Something is wrong in the match making.

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Originally Posted by BunxBun

There is something wrong with the match making system. Some people are experiencing the issues and others are not. After looking at many bases and talking with different people its has nothing to do with you, its something fundamentally wrong with match making.

The other day I got raided 6 times in five minutes after logging off. Lost 500k g/e and 3000 DE. I am mid TH8.

Now I go look at my friend who is also mid TH8 but hasn't played in a couple weeks and his base has sat untouched for over week. His collectors are full and his base is easy to attack. yet sits untouched day after day.

Something is wrong in the match making.

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with the above in mind, yes it would appear something is wrong, but not what they are trying to achieve with it by matching TH levels. i know what you mean, i log off and my phone goes off instantly cause im being attacked but luckily i have farming base with TH on outside and i get a free shield most of the time. BTW im mid lvl TH10 and still get snipers and not soo many real attackers.

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Originally Posted by Turnarcades

Because everyone was moaning that they were getting hit 'several times every time they log off for massive loot'. The point was to demonstrate that this base is played casual, has loot in its stirages, and isn't getting hit for 500k 3 times on every log off, it's getting sniped. The defence logs go back 5 days, and go up to present. There hasn't been an attack because it is being used in wars, and I don't raid during wars.

Point is the base is being played casually, collected on time, yet on the few raids being done and with wars thrown in, is turning a profit, and NOT getting blitzed every time a shield breaks because it is set up properly.

You really astound me. Even when you ask for evidence and its pushed in your face you have to try and reason round it. Then you're copypasting posts and making accusations that everyone must be manipulating the truth or lying about how well they're doing or suggesting they must be no-lifers to be able to raid efficiently. It's not about staying online all day, it's about using that time most efficiently - any good player will tell you that.

Maybe if you got out of silver (where everyone ran in a panic to find loot recently if you check the forums) and you and your clan didn't have open, square layouts and used compartmentalise layouts better they wouldn't look so inviting to the scrubs of all th levels low or high, all hiding in the lower leagues or searching for that bounty. You're an early th9, and everyone got hit harder at early th9, pre or post update. There are others surfacing now who are admitting it's tough, but pre-update the jump to th9 was always a tough one. Unlike other levels, before the update people were bullied relentlessly by th9's well into the level... For months in fact, cos they were getting hit by the highest level in the game - th10's. Of course the jumps to each level are tougher, every jump should be; its called a difficulty curve. In some games it spikes at points. Maybe it has been made tougher... But you either adapt to that of you don't... You don't demand the game adapts to you. I'm nearly th10 now,and when it turns im sure I'm going to get hit bad, so I will adapt or quit. My sub accounts are th8 and a new th9 just like you, both played casually, but played well so they always turn a profit. But I'm not gonna ask them to change the game to make it easier for me.

Again you're accusing folks of being non casual cos they are now th10.... The games been around for 3 years now and playing casually that's very possible. And hypocritically, saying they can't be casual cos of all their posts, yet in the last fortnight you've habitually been on here yourself to jump on every matchmaking thread, follow me around to insult me and now taking time going back through others posts to pick apart their stories like there's some kind of conspiracy.... All this time you say you don't have for the game, yet here you are instead...

The more you go on the more you appear to be a whiner, childish enough to stamp your feet and demand the game be made easier to suit you rather than get better, refuse the suggestions to help improve your game, and pick apart people to delve into their stories or find cracks to prove they MUST be lying if they are doing well.....

Sorry, but it's not only showing a bad player who can't roll with the punches, but blatant denial,hypocrisy and conspiracy paranoia puts you in the territory of flat out narcissism.

I'm done with you man, and I'd reccommend anyone else not bother with you too. You will never believe anyone else can possibly be doing it better than you, even if it's slapped round your face like a kipper.

Pool's closed man, time to go home.

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Ok - so let me get this straight -

Before we start are you aware of how the loot system works? You need 2mil-3mil depending on your TH to give out max loot....You have less than half what is required to give out that loot.....

Let me break this down for you so that you can understand it.

Regular Casual Player: - Might log on AND raid 3 - 10 times a day.... so you are aware this BREAKS a shield - after raiding they are smashed (because they have the amount of loot required to give out max or near to) and they lose as much if not more than they gained - Giving out between 290k - 190k of each + 1.2k - 2.3k DE EACH TIME

Your TH8 alt: Is never played, shield is never broken, has less than half the loot required to give out a reasonable amount of loot....
Because of the loot penalties...a TH9 would be lucky to get 120k gold and 50k elixir....and a TH10 would get about half that again.....

Now I'll go through this slow for you again.....

WHAT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT -

They LOG IN to their character, they play, the log out and get smashed....THEY CAN'T STAY LOGGED IN due to work etc. This is being felt by Th7's to low TH9's.... YOUR MAIN - a max TH9 going up to TH10 is NOT in this category......YOUR ALT who you never play / raid on and who has no loot DOES NOT fall into this category......

Your evidence really doesn't do anything but justify what people were saying - it is the equivalent of me going and getting a TH10 and show all the TH snipes....and saying that TH7s/8s must be doing fine........


The Conspiracy

This "conspiracy" as you so put it...is anything but. As I'm sure most people have gathered...the issues are being experienced by Low TH9 OR BELOW who are casual players who can't stay logged in - 2 criteria there

1. Low TH9 or below
2. Plays when possible and can't stay logged in

Now for the objects of the "conspiracy" - of the people saying it's great they seem to fall into 3 categories

1. Xtalx - came on and told people he was a casual player and people should become part of the solution not the problem - no mention of what TH....but on a post relating to casual TH7-9's he would have to be in there right?

Instead he is a "casual" Th10....precisely the person who would think this is great...easier loot...less raids against him in favour of snipes and lower loot

Since this is specifically related to lower level players, please tell me how a casual TH10 who will be getting raided much less is in a position to tell other lower players to just "fix it"....what's the solution? All become TH10s?

2. Captainsport
Claims he's a TH8....turns out he's a TH10.....also anything but casual if the posts on the forums are anything to go by....once again I think it has been abundantly made clear that in addition to High level players..a player who can stay logged on almost indefinitely is going to be fine.....

3. You (Turnarcades)
A player who has no problem lamenting the difficulties he went through as a low TH9..... with no thought for the fact that it is now borderline impossible for people in the same situation. Apparently you are doing "fine" on your TH8...despite it then being revealed that you A...have no loot worth taking.... B never play him to break shields anyway... Your "played" character is a max TH9....

You keep talking about rising to the challenge and getting better....Remind me again what challenges there are as a max TH9 who gets sniped and can barch lower level players over and over with the new update?


Now here's the question....you seem to state that everyone else already had to level and it was hard and they earned their stripes leveling..... I don't know if you've actually read anything here but I don't see a SINGLE person asking for some sort of handout....

Since most people on here are simply asking for a RETURN to the matchmaking system that you leveled under....I'm confused....was it difficult for you? Or was it to easy?

Seems like your only solutions are be a higher level..... have less loot.... or don't play..... You're a thinker ;)

The 3 brand new th9's in my clan I showed, many on global I mentioned this to, the brand new th8's in my clan that I'd already mentioned aren't struggling in a previous post you chose to ignore, and I'm sure too the new th9's you've chosen to overlook who've posted they aren't having problems in the many matchmaking threads you have spammed, are all cracking up right now at your words. Even saying I know I'm gonna get my butt handed to me at th10 in a few days and I accept it will be more difficult and I'll have to adjust, you selectively ignored too.

Ha ha ha, I'm done man, you'll never get better and always wonder why. I'd invite you to come to our clan to show you how it's done, but you'd be laughed out the door for your endless excuses. We've got 14 year olds upgrading better than you, a schoolteacher, and a guy who works 70 hour weeks as a lone parent to support his kids levelling up, doing great and never complained once about the challenge.

Blame everyone but yourself, that's your bag and I guess you'll never work it out. Last words to you ever I suppose and they were some of my first too.... Quit this like you and your kin keep saying, and go quietly, you won't be missed. Better yet quit all video games, they clearly ain't right for people like you. :facepalm:

We we will all go back to our games now and continue to work better at them, whatever they throw at us. There's always a way and we will improve our own skills to do it. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Turnarcades

The 3 brand new th9's in my clan I showed, many on global I mentioned this to, the brand new th8's in my clan that I'd already mentioned aren't struggling in a previous post you chose to ignore, and I'm sure too the new th9's you've chosen to overlook who've posted they aren't having problems in the many matchmaking threads you have spammed, are all cracking up right now at your words. Even saying I know I'm gonna get my butt handed to me at th10 in a few days and I accept it will be more difficult and I'll have to adjust, you selectively ignored too.

Ha ha ha, I'm done man, you'll never get better and always wonder why. I'd invite you to come to our clan to show you how it's done, but you'd be laughed out the door for your endless excuses. We've got 14 year olds upgrading better than you, a schoolteacher, and a guy who works 70 hour weeks as a lone parent to support his kids levelling up, doing great and never complained once about the challenge.

Blame everyone but yourself, that's your bag and I guess you'll never work it out. Last words to you ever I suppose and they were some of my first too.... Quit this like you and your kin keep saying, and go quietly, you won't be missed. Better yet quit all video games, they clearly ain't right for people like you. :facepalm:

We we will all go back to our games now and continue to work better at them, whatever they throw at us. There's always a way and we will improve our own skills to do it. :thumbsup:

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Fact: Some players are loving the update....I don't think a single person here has denied that....

Those 2 categories are:

People who pay in uninterrupted blocks
People who were already extensively upgraded.

IF your clan and the other players saying they haven't had issues are in these categories then.... yes of course they are going to love it.

What you seem to be failing to comprehend is that is a certain percentage of the population. I'd venture an estimate at small.

To your next point.....I haven't selectively ignored anything.

You keep talking about how hard the game was for you, is going to be for you... I keep pointing out that the game has been made infinitely easier for you.... A max TH9 hitting TH10 WOULD have had trouble before the update....Who is going to bother attacking a Max TH9 now when they can easily find lower Th9's or Th8's with a few extra clicks....ones that are much easier to defeat and much more efficient.

Essentially IF you think low TH9 was hard when you did it, and IF you think low Th10 is going to be hard...it is nothing in comparison to what some people are experiencing.

I keep pointing out to you how much EASIER the game has been made for you, and you keep selectively talking about how you've "risen to the challenge" of the game. One of us is being selective here :)

Another part of your selective thought process is to keep saying that I'm bad at the game, on numerous occassions I've said that this hasn't affected me to the same extent it has effected others. I DID say at the start that my base was getting belted by TH10's and that the OP changing his base wouldn't change a thing BUT I also said that I was a mid to end lvl TH9.....

That my main concern was over new TH9's and lower TH8's who are casual players....and how they are just as important if not more important to this game than people who stay logged in all day. If not individually, then by the proportion of the playerbase they make up.

What I also find really really laughable is you keep talking about your skill and perseverance at this game...yet you barch... as you've said...it is a cheap, fast and efficient troop composition.... BUT if you are getting 200-300k raids with it then you aren't attacking a base that is even remotely difficult.

Now you've made a statement about inviting me to your clan and being laughed out. Funny considering you literally have no idea what my capabilities are in this game, except for having the ability to look beyond my own experiences :P

Just so you are aware, my clan is a warring clan - I am in the top 5 of my clan and I'm the leader and since starting in November (when i started the game) we have one 49 wars.... lost 2. With a longest win streak of 19.... that is versing Th10's and the like.

Now I know you might think your ability to play and barch low level TH's is a good indication of skill, and that is your opinion. To me though a better indication of skill would be how you can go against in a war environment where all traps are up, all troops are in...and people are maximising their defences and base layout....

But then again maybe I'm wrong and the true test of skill is staying logged in and launching barbarians at TH's 2 levels lower :)

TO BE CLEAR:

I have maintained that this update has absolutely NOTHING to do with skill, instead takes skill out of the game by disadvantaging lower levels. I only mention it now because you keep harping on about how skilled you are, and how anyone complaining mustn't be....

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Originally Posted by Turnarcades

I've got a mid th8, max th8 and a max th9. Nothing has changed except that I can raid a lot more. Everyone gets hit, not just you... There's always a bigger fish, remember that..

So you lose 250k and get a shield? Any player worry their salt should be raiding that amount many times over, if you are skipping and searching correctly and using cheap armies. You raid more than you lose in a single attack, and put your town hall outside, and you are in profit every time.

The only people this affects are casual players who can't/don't/won't raid more, and hence, play less and probably spend nothing.

Seeing as you got the game for free, and aren't the ones who fund it or enjoy it for as many minutes a day as those who do, why would SC invest money in the players who bring nothing in? Of course the game is gonna afapt to the more serious players.

There's reams of shovelware 'turn up when you feel and still progress' games on the app stores for casuals, so go play one of them.

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So let me get this straight... you are ALL FOR an update that benefits a small number of players compared with others.

When I provide a solution that has the same practical effect while allowing players to keep enjoying the game they have paid for and have just as much right to play as you --- you tell them to quit?

As people have pointed out, you aren't skilled if you're barching people.... Get over yourself

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Originally Posted by Nazgould

So let me get this straight... you are ALL FOR an update that benefits a small number of players compared with others.

When I provide a solution that has the same practical effect while allowing players to keep enjoying the game they have paid for and have just as much right to play as you --- you tell them to quit?

As people have pointed out, you aren't skilled if you're barching people.... Get over yourself

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DW his skill only goes as far as barching. He doesn't do particularly well anywhere else. For everyone else not getting a free ride as a TH9+ i hope this gets fixed

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Originally Posted by Turnarcades

The 3 brand new th9's in my clan I showed, many on global I mentioned this to, the brand new th8's in my clan that I'd already mentioned aren't struggling in a previous post you chose to ignore, and I'm sure too the new th9's you've chosen to overlook who've posted they aren't having problems in the many matchmaking threads you have spammed, are all cracking up right now at your words. Even saying I know I'm gonna get my butt handed to me at th10 in a few days and I accept it will be more difficult and I'll have to adjust, you selectively ignored too.

Ha ha ha, I'm done man, you'll never get better and always wonder why. I'd invite you to come to our clan to show you how it's done, but you'd be laughed out the door for your endless excuses. We've got 14 year olds upgrading better than you, a schoolteacher, and a guy who works 70 hour weeks as a lone parent to support his kids levelling up, doing great and never complained once about the challenge.

Blame everyone but yourself, that's your bag and I guess you'll never work it out. Last words to you ever I suppose and they were some of my first too.... Quit this like you and your kin keep saying, and go quietly, you won't be missed. Better yet quit all video games, they clearly ain't right for people like you. :facepalm:

We we will all go back to our games now and continue to work better at them, whatever they throw at us. There's always a way and we will improve our own skills to do it. :thumbsup:

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You ignored my post and ignore other valid points. I'm glad you are leaving the discussion as you are offering nothing of value.

matchmaking fine to me

early th9 in crystal 2/3

put your th out , untrapped, ALWAYS = instant shield when log off.

never break your own shield if you cant commit to at least 1 hr,
3 attacks (20 min army train time)

I agree with Turnarcades with pretty much everything. My clan is mostly mid-level TH8s and none of them are having any problems.

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Originally Posted by arpz2004

I agree with Turnarcades with pretty much everything. My clan is mostly mid-level TH8s and none of them are having any problems.

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If you agree with turnarcades there's a good chance you've barely read the thread. If your TH8s are doing fine it means they are able to stay logged in for hours on end. Which is sort of irrelevant to what people have been saying here.

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Originally Posted by Broxogar

If you agree with turnarcades there's a good chance you've barely read the thread. If your TH8s are doing fine it means they are able to stay logged in for hours on end. Which is sort of irrelevant to what people have been saying here.

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I read every word of every post on this thread before I commented on this. A lot of the th8s in my clan I don't see very much and don't play for long periods of time. They said that they didn't have a problem with the new matchmaking system.

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Originally Posted by arpz2004

I read every word of every post on this thread before I commented on this. A lot of the th8s in my clan I don't see very much and don't play for long periods of time. They said that they didn't have a problem with the new matchmaking system.

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So they are or aren't attacked immediately after logging out? I had a look at your clan, they are around the same trophy range as many of the people in my clan. I know that I am attacked within 20 seconds of logging out, albeit most of those attacks fail horribly.

In contrast the TH8's are being attacked by similar people and they have no chance of defending.

Since a TH8 has no chance against a TH9 or TH10 I'm interested to know what the apparent secret is? Moving the TH out can't be one since everyone here already does that.

It's been established that mid -max TH9's and Th10's love this. I know you are a TH9, but as you are speaking for TH8's (apparently)... there is a good chance they fit into the category of playing for extended periods (Which you say they havent)....don't play at all except to collect from extractors (Like Turnarcades alt) - therefore never breaking shield or having enough to be attacked..... OR simply don't have enough to be attacked

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Originally Posted by Broxogar

So they are or aren't attacked immediately after logging out? I had a look at your clan, they are around the same trophy range as many of the people in my clan. I know that I am attacked within 20 seconds of logging out, albeit most of those attacks fail horribly.

In contrast the TH8's are being attacked by similar people and they have no chance of defending.

Since a TH8 has no chance against a TH9 or TH10 I'm interested to know what the apparent secret is? Moving the TH out can't be one since everyone here already does that.

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Try a different league. Everyone comes to silver because of the new matchmaking update. Lots of zappers in silver and lower. Either you pretty much have to deal with it or move up. Clash With Cam did a segment of this in one of his videos. What clan are you in? Some of them farm hard, while some of them spend all their loot while they log off so no one attacks them.


I also agree with everything Turnarcades just said :)

Also you stated that you read Turnarcades posts and every word of the thread before saying that you agreed with him.

I'm interested to know what you agreed with? - The thread regarded people who couldn't stay logged in, who had loot worth taking and who were either very new TH9's or lower.....

Turnarcades advice had 3 potential solutions....
1. Be a higher level (umm lol)
2. Stay logged on more (lol again considering the posts in here)
3. Don't ever break a shield just collect from extractors and war loot (only really relevant for an alt).

So which part of what Turnarcades said were you agreeing with in particular? The be a higher level one?

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Originally Posted by PaulYEAH

Try a different league. Everyone comes to silver because of the new matchmaking update. Lots of zappers in silver and lower. Either you pretty much have to deal with it or move up. Clash With Cam did a segment of this in one of his videos. What clan are you in? Some of them farm hard, while some of them spend all their loot while they log off so no one attacks them.


I also agree with everything Turnarcades just said :)

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How is moving leagues a solution? If everyone moves to crystal then everyone will experience the same problem. If all the Th8's move up, the TH9's smashing them will move up, if the Th8's move down...the TH's smashing them will move down.

As I said to the previous guy, what part of what turnarcades said do you agree with?

He didn't have much to say except be a higher level, or don't log out.... both LOL suggestions for the majority of CoC playerbase...

Although I'm assuming you "agreeing" is saying "this is great I get to belt people nonstop as long as i don't log out :)"

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Originally Posted by Broxogar

How is moving leagues a solution? If everyone moves to crystal then everyone will experience the same problem. If all the Th8's move up, the TH9's smashing them will move up, if the Th8's move down...the TH's smashing them will move down.

As I said to the previous guy, what part of what turnarcades said do you agree with?

He didn't have much to say except be a higher level, or don't log out.... both LOL suggestions for the majority of CoC playerbase...

Although I'm assuming you "agreeing" is saying "this is great I get to belt people nonstop as long as i don't log out :)"

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Nah, I'm not going to belt people. Don't get mad, bro. Everyone stays in silver since all the loot is there, what do you not understand? Calm down, in the end it is a game. Like arpz said our TH8's are not experiencing any problem, and they don't complain about it. Spend loot as much as possible so people don't raid it!

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Originally Posted by PaulYEAH

Nah, I'm not going to belt people. Don't get mad, bro. Everyone stays in silver since all the loot is there, what do you not understand? Calm down, in the end it is a game. Like arpz said our TH8's are not experiencing any problem, and they don't complain about it. Spend loot as much as possible so people don't raid it!

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Nobody is mad :)

It's great if you guys aren't getting hit and you either have cheap enough things to spend before logging off OR are able to stay on long enough to afford the expensive things before logging off.

If you like this update due to your gameplay or it's just inconvenient for you but not to the point of complaining...then that is of course great for you. This isn't dealing with you guys particularly, legit happy you guys are going well in it. The concern is for those who can't do what you guys are doing.

Not everyone can go to crystal, not everyone can earn enough to spend their loot (unless they ignore defences/units and do walls). If you guys are at the stage where most stuff is maxxed for your level and you can just drop gold on walls then that's awesome.

Other people aren't in this same situation. Many will just vote with their feet, the more people that move to crystal, the more lucrative it will be to attack people in crystal rather than Silver.

The loot is in Silver atm because that is where it was less competitive, making it competitive there will either
A. Drive people out of Silver as you said (Simply move the issue around without solving it) OR
B. Make people quit.

Anyone who thinks people quitting this game is a good idea needs to rethink what is in the best interest of the game and NOT their own hardcore views on gaming survival (or whatever else it was Turn said)

Nazgould had a great solution at the start, without simply saying "GET RID OF THIS"

Unfortunately because of how particularly dense Turnarcades is that part of this post has been largely forgotten in favour of "No its Great!! versus No it Sucks!! - arguments"

So far it seems any solution folks try - or carrying on the way they were - is working better than endless insufferable whining, jumping on and quoting every person who disagrees with you and posting on every thread I do on the forums just to disagree with any word I say on any subject. Again, wasn't part of your big argument you (and others) had better things to do than stay online to play your game?

And yet these people, and ironically you most of all, are spending tons of time multi posting essay-length complaints on here, backtracking people's posts to quote them, sending your moaning minions to their clans to look for holes, and still challenging that people doing well MUST be high level, living online or one of many other excuses you like to cook up.

If you can't see the hypocrisy by now of spending all this time trolling and complaining, and still people coming forward saying entire clans aren't struggling that you accuse MUST live online on their game, then you are beyond reason. The irony of all this time spent investigating and spam posting over and over different excuses and challenging everyone who posts on these threads, yet saying you only have the time or inclination to play casually, is very obvious to others, if not to you.

Even the ones who've started these threads haven't showed as many return posts or butthurt as you, even though you claim you are 'speaking for all the casual th8's out there and making these complaints'. So why can't you give it a rest?

Oh yeah, cos your objective is to complain til you're blue in the face and get your own way. Or as you might reason it: liberate these oppressed people you say you're arguing it for.

Want to play a game occasionally and casually but seemingly endless time to whine and whine and whine? Maybe give it a rest here and go back to the game you ain't got time for?

Honestly, I feel sorry for anyone joining a clan if you are all moaning this much. I been a war guest in many clans recently with plenty of low level casual kids who can only raid at odd times and I've never so much as seen a single complaint even when the subject comes up they are praising it.

Just what is this obsession you got? Others can speak for themselves if they are that bothered, so if you go on about it and continue to stalk me or snipe at others saying they're having no problems with accusations, it's purely for your own needs and your need to get your own way.

No one cares, get on with your game like everyone else has, even the ones who have complained. Or not, whatever, just stop crapposting the forum eh?

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So far it seems any solution folks try - or carrying on the way they were - is working better than endless insufferable whining, jumping on and quoting every person who disagrees with you and posting on every thread I do on the forums just to disagree with any word I say on any subject. Again, wasn't part of your big argument you (and others) had better things to do than stay online to play your game?

And yet these people, and ironically you most of all, are spending tons of time multi posting essay-length complaints on here, backtracking people's posts to quote them, sending your moaning minions to their clans to look for holes, and still challenging that people doing well MUST be high level, living online or one of many other excuses you like to cook up.

If you can't see the hypocrisy by now of spending all this time trolling and complaining, and still people coming forward saying entire clans aren't struggling that you accuse MUST live online on their game, then you are beyond reason. The irony of all this time spent investigating and spam posting over and over different excuses and challenging everyone who posts on these threads, yet saying you only have the time or inclination to play casually, is very obvious to others, if not to you.

Even the ones who've started these threads haven't showed as many return posts or butthurt as you, even though you claim you are 'speaking for all the casual th8's out there and making these complaints'. So why can't you give it a rest?

Oh yeah, cos your objective is to complain til you're blue in the face and get your own way. Or as you might reason it: liberate these oppressed people you say you're arguing it for.

Want to play a game occasionally and casually but seemingly endless time to whine and whine and whine? Maybe give it a rest here and go back to the game you ain't got time for?

Honestly, I feel sorry for anyone joining a clan if you are all moaning this much. I been a war guest in many clans recently with plenty of low level casual kids who can only raid at odd times and I've never so much as seen a single complaint even when the subject comes up they are praising it.

Just what is this obsession you got? Others can speak for themselves if they are that bothered, so if you go on about it and continue to stalk me or snipe at others saying they're having no problems with accusations, it's purely for your own needs and your need to get your own way.

No one cares, get on with your game like everyone else has, even the ones who have complained. Or not, whatever, just stop crapposting the forum eh?

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Someone is a little paranoid, but to clarify my position -

1. I DO think you're particularly dense. I think I've stated that before.

2. I didn't send any 'minions' to your clan. I was laughing with the guys in my clan about you, and one of them decided to go and have a look at your clan (courtesy of your screenshot that he saw).... We did have a good laugh at the screenshots he took though. Seems your skill extends to barching only :P

3. I have no particular interest in stalking you, I may post on things you've posted on (didn't realise you had exclusive rights to them) AND often I'll disagree with you, but that's usually because you're wrong - see point 1.

4. If anyone was to stop crapposting I'd hope it was you, I thought you'd left this discussion?

5. I have never said I was a casual player, in fact I said I would be considered a "hardcore" player in comparison to most. I DID however also say that I have many casual friends, many of which don't have the patience to deal with the particularly dense people like yourself :)

6. I'm more than happy to speak for those people, it is part of my job IRL to speak for people, and writing a response (taking previous posts etc) to either validate or discredit something isn't some sort of conspiracy, although I can see why someone like you would think that :)

7. For someone who DOESN'T care what gets changed in a game and who seems to state they will go with any change and become better (lol see 2) you seem to whine endlessly about any potential change that someone might agree with.

8. The reason the matchmaking system was changed was because people complained - IF people are leaving it is bad for the game (once again I know your position on this) - and the people coming up with solutions to keep players here are more valuable to this game than the people who want them to quit because they aren't "hardcore" enough.
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Good to see you back on here Turnarcades, your posts are a particular blend of stubbornness, misinformation, misunderstanding and misguided belief in your own knowledge... that comes together so perfectly that is difficult to replicate :)

I had left the discussion, hence clearly not crapposting... It keeps going to the top because of your endless posts here. And yes, to see a disproportionate amount of replies from one member on posts I make to contradict me, is evident trolling. Also, I didn't come here to whine, I came to say there was nothing wrong and tell people to stop whining. When people like yourself turned up, I stopped commenting on it, but you seem to be shoving the same topic in everyone's face, and you do have a problem you want changed to suit you - remember I'm not the one complaining my game is suffering, you are. While we are on the subject, if someone is able to successfully raid high bases with a low level army, that shows a higher level of skill, you complete idiot. What your friend didn't do was observe the war we just won, where the big guns are really needed to be broken out to beat folks, and where I crushed the top two players on their clan. Convenient that huh? But no amount of evidence shoved in your face would do it, so why waste my time? I'm too busy playing my game, where you should be. You came on here to moan you had no time, not me. Im here cos my game is going great and I'm commenting real help to other people,

bottom line one is you came to complain about the game to be changed for you because of a lack of time, and yet you spend tons of time here, complaining about it. Hence, your are a hypocrite, and an idiot, when the irony of your time presence here complaining about lack of time, is exactly why you aren't spending enough time on your game. And now I will return to business as usual, not complaining a game ain't fair and it be changed for me, and not replying a disproportionate amount of replies on threads you post in.

Obvious troll is obvious. If it weren't the unmoderated mess it is, you would have been banned by now by any other forum. I shan't comment any further on this subject. Suffice to say every time you quote a long post to challenge it (bad forum etiquette by the way, attention seeker), every time you immediately follow a post of mine, or every time you mention me by name in reference to someone else's post as you have been, as if to try and scapegoat somehow, you will multiply your apparent idiot factor tenfold to anyone who has read this thread.

I know I've said you were dense before - but this is just getting ridiculous....

First of ALL - I JUST said in the previous post that I DO spend a lot of time on this game. That OTHERS cannot. Phew now that we've got that out of the way.

Here is your BIGGEST problem.... YOUR GAME isn't suffering, therefore nobodies is..... what is good for you is good for the game right? This is the difference between you and I, you can only see as far ahead as yourself.

To your next point which was "if someone is able to successfully raid high bases with a low level army, that shows a higher level of skill, you complete idiot."
===Haha I was having a laugh at you when I said you might think barching is skillful - It's even funnier to see that you ACTUALLY think that hahaha

You are NOT raiding high level bases successfully with only barbarians and archers....haha if you think you are successful at it you are either

A. Not raiding high level bases (TH8 might seem high to a TH7 but not to a TH9)
OR
B. You aren't being successful at anything other than an afk higher base which is the ol - circle n pray on extractors raid.

Neither of these have any skill - though you are more than happy to keep going on about it.

Barch doesn't take coordination or timing, it's blob barbarians (maybe healing potion), spread archers.... rinse n repeat.

High Skill players may take a composition of healers / giants / wb / loons / hogs / or whatever else.

ALSO - your name was mentioned PURELY because the person I was replying to mentioned your name.... I mean come on, how dense are you really?

FINALLY:

You keep going on and on about how skillful you are, or how unskillful everyone else mustn't be...but like I said...you barch - the screenshots from your clan show your lack of skill in wars, including your defensive layout. The ONLY thing you have going for you is that you are a TH9 with mainly lvl 9 walls...thereby making you less likely to get attacked since the update.

I am also doing fine in this game, and have REPEATEDLY stated that this update has even been beneficial to me but it isn't for others. The difference is I'm concerned for what makes this game great (a large social game that many people play and pay for)...and you're only concerned with being a hardnut :P

Finally - if you want to come on and argue that you are more skillful than me, make sure you can back it up. Someone from my clan joined, was polite and had a look - your clan wins MAYBE half the time, and your attacked are lackluster, (barely 2 starring on lvl 5 and 6 Anti air with lvl 2 lava and lvl 6 loons) -

When you asked him what he was there for he was honest, he said

"a mate of mine said you were a tard and I wanted to see if you were any good, looks like you aren't" -

You kicked him - so don't act as though he could have stayed and seen anymore of your war attacks - after he showed me your base and your war attacks / war log... I actually sorta felt sorry for you.

In comparison my clan has won 50 and lost 2.... Like I said earlier I wasn't here to get into a "I'm better than you, or my clan is better than yours" argument - but you seem intent on going that way.... problem is you AREN'T skilled at this game and your clan ISN'T a good war clan. -

In comparison my clan IS a successful war clan and we ARE skilled players, and you wouldn't get a spot in the war team with your skills :) . So please, for everyone's sake leave your rhetoric about skill at the door please :)

I did find it funny though when my mate linked a screenshot of you saying "I've got that guys number" haha - like you are even on the same page :P

OP what league are you in? Seems to me that might be your problem. I'm a maxed TH8 in crystal league with a farming base. I don't ever get zapped. even by people with lighting in their pocket. They just snipe the TH for bonus loot.

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OP what league are you in? Seems to me that might be your problem. I'm a maxed TH8 in crystal league with a farming base. I don't ever get zapped. even by people with lighting in their pocket. They just snipe the TH for bonus loot.

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At the moment I'm in Gold 3 - I've been to Crystal, and honestly it was boring as. Snipes for loot bonus was fun for a bit, but when I could only really do the same in return it was a little ridiculous. Also once I got a reasonable amount of loot (saving for golems or pekkas / wiz towers) - I'd get roflstomped by TH10's -

It might alleviate what is going on at the moment to be in Crystal, but as Brox said earlier, if everyone moves to Crystal then crystal will be the new silver / gold and the issue will have just moved with it.

Some people hated the trophy system, but being able to choose your choice of gameplay instead of being forced into crystal / master like conditions was one of the things I liked about this game.

That's why I have my solution on the first page. Something that will allow people to play the way we want (as I've done for the past year) and also gives higher TH's the loot they need to stay interested.

I wrote a big reply to this and then deleted it. You are right oh narcissist Prince, and it's too much effort to itemise through the reams of ♥♥ and contradictions from your other posts now. So you and your clan sockpuppets (yes the name does kinda give it away) can continue sh*tposting in your collective hugbox you're creating here in the hopes the game will change, cos you want it to. If it ain't for you as you claim, why open your mouth and ram it down everyone's throats? That speaks volumes about who you are.

I got a game to play, however it stands, and I'd rather go play it than be a keyboard hero.

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I wrote a big reply to this and then deleted it. You are right oh narcissist Prince, and it's too much effort to itemise through the reams of ♥♥ and contradictions from your other posts now. So you and your clan sockpuppets (yes the name does kinda give it away) can continue sh*tposting in your collective hugbox you're creating here in the hopes the game will change, cos you want it to. If it ain't for you as you claim, why open your mouth and ram it down everyone's throats? That speaks volumes about who you are.

I got a game to play, however it stands, and I'd rather go play it than be a keyboard hero.

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"doesn't want to be a keyboard hero / replies with insults to say he's not replying :)" - turnlogic

Good idea, I wouldn't want you to give yourself a brain aneurysm, putting together logical arguments can be difficult :)

Anyway catchya Turnarcades, don't let the door hit you on the way out, goodluck with your barching :)

Good luck with your campaign to change the game. I suck so hard apparently, as does everyone else who welcomes change, yet we want the game to stay the way it is. Yeah cos we enjoy losing, and we are the ones complaining the game has got harder and being picked on, and finding excuses in the face of many not happy with the change. Yeah that makes sense. Oh no I got that the wrong way round didn't I?

Wish for it in one hand, sh*t in the other, see which one fills up first. I ain't going nowhere, you were the kid threatening to quit if it didn't go your way. So do it, like a spoilt child. You can come back at me when you have successfully changed the game, Che Guevara. Lead your oppressed brothers to the revolution!

If only you had more hugs as a child eh? Wouldn't be so inclined to have the last word. Whatever happens, you are the personification of FAIL.

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Good luck with your campaign to change the game. I suck so hard apparently, as does everyone else who welcomes change, yet we want the game to stay the way it is. Yeah cos we enjoy losing, and we are the ones complaining the game has got harder and being picked on, and finding excuses in the face of many not happy with the change. Yeah that makes sense. Oh no I got that the wrong way round didn't I?

Wish for it in one hand, sh*t in the other, see which one fills up first. I ain't going nowhere, you were the kid threatening to quit if it didn't go your way. So do it, like a spoilt child. You can come back at me when you have successfully changed the game, Che Guevara. Lead your oppressed brothers to the revolution!

If only you had more hugs as a child eh? Wouldn't be so inclined to have the last word. Whatever happens, you are the personification of FAIL.

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"Insults someone for having the last word.... while having the last word" - Turnlogic

You being fortunate enough to be a TH9 when the update came in is the only reason you are able to raid effectively...that and you staying on for hours at a time.... not your "skill"..... Once again i can see why you're confused. I mean it's only been said to you about 10 times. Though id honestly be surprised if you understood that any quicker :p

I mean i know its a difficult concept to grasp...

Dealing with people like you though actually makes me relieved. When i see this is what the other side of the argument has to offer its reassuring :)

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At the moment I'm in Gold 3 - I've been to Crystal, and honestly it was boring as. Snipes for loot bonus was fun for a bit, but when I could only really do the same in return it was a little ridiculous. Also once I got a reasonable amount of loot (saving for golems or pekkas / wiz towers) - I'd get roflstomped by TH10's -

It might alleviate what is going on at the moment to be in Crystal, but as Brox said earlier, if everyone moves to Crystal then crystal will be the new silver / gold and the issue will have just moved with it.

Some people hated the trophy system, but being able to choose your choice of gameplay instead of being forced into crystal / master like conditions was one of the things I liked about this game.

That's why I have my solution on the first page. Something that will allow people to play the way we want (as I've done for the past year) and also gives higher TH's the loot they need to stay interested.

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Are you using a trophy base or farming base?

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So far it seems any solution folks try - or carrying on the way they were - is working better than endless insufferable whining, jumping on and quoting every person who disagrees with you and posting on every thread I do on the forums just to disagree with any word I say on any subject. Again, wasn't part of your big argument you (and others) had better things to do than stay online to play your game?

And yet these people, and ironically you most of all, are spending tons of time multi posting essay-length complaints on here, backtracking people's posts to quote them, sending your moaning minions to their clans to look for holes, and still challenging that people doing well MUST be high level, living online or one of many other excuses you like to cook up.

If you can't see the hypocrisy by now of spending all this time trolling and complaining, and still people coming forward saying entire clans aren't struggling that you accuse MUST live online on their game, then you are beyond reason. The irony of all this time spent investigating and spam posting over and over different excuses and challenging everyone who posts on these threads, yet saying you only have the time or inclination to play casually, is very obvious to others, if not to you.

Even the ones who've started these threads haven't showed as many return posts or butthurt as you, even though you claim you are 'speaking for all the casual th8's out there and making these complaints'. So why can't you give it a rest?

Oh yeah, cos your objective is to complain til you're blue in the face and get your own way. Or as you might reason it: liberate these oppressed people you say you're arguing it for.

Want to play a game occasionally and casually but seemingly endless time to whine and whine and whine? Maybe give it a rest here and go back to the game you ain't got time for?

Honestly, I feel sorry for anyone joining a clan if you are all moaning this much. I been a war guest in many clans recently with plenty of low level casual kids who can only raid at odd times and I've never so much as seen a single complaint even when the subject comes up they are praising it.

Just what is this obsession you got? Others can speak for themselves if they are that bothered, so if you go on about it and continue to stalk me or snipe at others saying they're having no problems with accusations, it's purely for your own needs and your need to get your own way.

No one cares, get on with your game like everyone else has, even the ones who have complained. Or not, whatever, just stop crapposting the forum eh?

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And yet you yourself are choosing to still ignore valid points.

Who's the hypocrite here?

I see people saying that , they have no problms with this new matchmaking ...well , first i'm sorry for my horrible english , however i would like to leave here my opinion about people saying that they have no problem's with matchmaking and posting screenshot's and rude comments , in this game there is two types of player's , people farming and people always attaking to loot , now SuperCell updated CoC with this new patch i dont know why they did this , all the people that is trying to save Gold , Elixir or Dark Elixir , can't save anymore because people with more 20 levels ahead will attack you and take you 8 hour's of resources. So don't ask for printscreen's , and stop calling people liar just because ur not attacked YET . I'm sure you guys are not different...:o

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I've got a mid th8, max th8 and a max th9. Nothing has changed except that I can raid a lot more. Everyone gets hit, not just you... There's always a bigger fish, remember that..

So you lose 250k and get a shield? Any player worry their salt should be raiding that amount many times over, if you are skipping and searching correctly and using cheap armies. You raid more than you lose in a single attack, and put your town hall outside, and you are in profit every time.

The only people this affects are casual players who can't/don't/won't raid more, and hence, play less and probably spend nothing.

Seeing as you got the game for free, and aren't the ones who fund it or enjoy it for as many minutes a day as those who do, why would SC invest money in the players who bring nothing in? Of course the game is gonna afapt to the more serious players.

There's reams of shovelware 'turn up when you feel and still progress' games on the app stores for casuals, so go play one of them.

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I could not say this any better myself. Personally, this is how the game was meant to be played. Just because it negatively affects you, doesn't mean it negatively affects everyone. If you are one of those people with the philosophy that not raiding is a good idea, you have no clue how much profit one can have in a few hours of raiding with a relatively quick cooking army. I typically use 20 loons, 60 minions and I can farm almost any base. Barch works great too, all archers even. Idk why you complain, YOUR play style is negatively affecting you, so change it, don't ask supercell to change the game.

@Vanzard

We all are being hit with lvl 20+ heros bud. Thats how it is up in higher leagues. All you guys on your high pedestals need to realize that us th 10's are 3 stared ALL the time. Its not unusual. Putting your th outside should help 90% of the time if you have your collectors inside. This update was a fantastic idea because it spread activity throughout the leagues. Bronze is no longer that inactive, and neither is Silver. We need to keep things the way they are. Its how it should work. Heck, a few days ago I was hit with Max heros. Did I go and cry to supercell, no. I accepted it because its normal! Thats how the game works, you should have to raid more than you lose in order to profit, whether its trophies or loot your hunting for. I say get over it, and get to farming man.

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SOLUTION:

TH9's and TH10's have trouble finding loot, it's a fact that most bases are betweeen TH 6-8 - So why not remove the loot penalty associated with accounts if they've been AFK for MORE than 2weeks / or even a month! I mean lets face it, if they've been afk for a month, they probably only have extractors left with anything in them and they are no longer playing. It solves the issue of having to either stay logged in on a mobile game 24/7 without making searching for loot a drag.

Before people complain that this would make the game to easy on TH9's and TH 10's - there is nothing challenging about roflstomping a TH below you...regardless of upgrades or layout.

Anyway SUPERCELL​ Fix this before you alienate your casual playerbase for good.

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Not sure exactly what you're trying to suggest here.

Are you suggesting that the loot penalty be removed for these bases and revert back to the old matchmaking? Or are you suggesting that the new matchmaking remain in place, but in addition, remove the loot penalty on these bases so that they're seen as more valuable targets and your base is not attacked as often?

Changes to the game come with both pros and cons. The new matchmaking has solved some major issues, whether you believe it or not.

Last year, the forum was flooded with "bad loot" threads and posts. When loot was bad, not as many players were getting raided for a lot of loot.

SC started addressing this issue when they increased league bonuses. But this wasn't enough to fix the issue. Then they added level 12 collectors and removed elixir for lower level walls. The removal of elixir for those walls helped a lot, and the economy began to improve. But many TH10s were still stuck farming league bonuses exclusively because of the sheer amount of lower town halls protected by the loot penalty that would have to be nexted through.

Then came the matchmaking change. This was the true game changer. No more nexting through hundreds/thousands of low town halls that aren't worth attacking because of the loot penalties. The loot issues for higher town halls are finally solved.

But the thing is, when loot is good, more players get raided for more loot.

Hate to break it to you, but you're one of those players contributing to the good loot. But the good news is that since loot is good, you can raid more than you lose if you adapt to the change. Just like we all had to adapt when loot was bad, you're going to have to adapt now that loot is good.

If you're asking them to revert the change, you're wasting your time. Not gonna happen.

I am almost a maxed town hall 9 and the new matchmaking made it almost impossible for me to farm in any trophy range, not because I can't find resources, but because TH10's raid me with level 35+ queens and kings as well as max troops

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Not sure exactly what you're trying to suggest here.

Are you suggesting that the loot penalty be removed for these bases and revert back to the old matchmaking? Or are you suggesting that the new matchmaking remain in place, but in addition, remove the loot penalty on these bases so that they're seen as more valuable targets and your base is not attacked as often?

Changes to the game come with both pros and cons. The new matchmaking has solved some major issues, whether you believe it or not.

Last year, the forum was flooded with "bad loot" threads and posts. When loot was bad, not as many players were getting raided for a lot of loot.

SC started addressing this issue when they increased league bonuses. But this wasn't enough to fix the issue. Then they added level 12 collectors and removed elixir for lower level walls. The removal of elixir for those walls helped a lot, and the economy began to improve. But many TH10s were still stuck farming league bonuses exclusively because of the sheer amount of lower town halls protected by the loot penalty that would have to be nexted through.

Then came the matchmaking change. This was the true game changer. No more nexting through hundreds/thousands of low town halls that aren't worth attacking because of the loot penalties. The loot issues for higher town halls are finally solved.

But the thing is, when loot is good, more players get raided for more loot.

Hate to break it to you, but you're one of those players contributing to the good loot. But the good news is that since loot is good, you can raid more than you lose if you adapt to the change. Just like we all had to adapt when loot was bad, you're going to have to adapt now that loot is good.

If you're asking them to revert the change, you're wasting your time. Not gonna happen.

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Yes, as far as I'm aware Nazgould was hoping to revert the change. I think he's already aware of the problems with finding loot, the nexting through 100's of bases was an issue. With Nazgould's idea you wouldn't have to next through quite so many bases because the multitudes of AFK bases that can only be attacked by TH6's (effectively) would be able to be attacked by TH8-10's.

Yes players like Nazgould are contributing to the good loot, I know plenty of TH8's are contributing to the good loot.

Us TH9's are having a great old time at the expense of anyone lower than us and my concern is the negative way that will impact the game.

Anyway - it should be changed IMO though, disadvantaging the many at the benefit of the few is not a good idea for this game :)

Hopefully SC gets the message, if not...oh well.

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And yet you yourself are choosing to still ignore valid points.

Who's the hypocrite here?

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BunxBun - this is what I now like to refer to as "Turnlogic"

The sort of mindless hypocritical approach to everything :P

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Yes, as far as I'm aware Nazgould was hoping to revert the change. I think he's already aware of the problems with finding loot, the nexting through 100's of bases was an issue. With Nazgould's idea you wouldn't have to next through quite so many bases because the multitudes of AFK bases that can only be attacked by TH6's (effectively) would be able to be attacked by TH8-10's.

Yes players like Nazgould are contributing to the good loot, I know plenty of TH8's are contributing to the good loot.

Us TH9's are having a great old time at the expense of anyone lower than us and my concern is the negative way that will impact the game.

Anyway - it should be changed IMO though, disadvantaging the many at the benefit of the few is not a good idea for this game :)

Hopefully SC gets the message, if not...oh well.

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People have been asking them to stop pushing inactives back in the queue as well as multiple variations on removing loot penalties on inactives or their collectors for well over a year now. It's not a new idea by any means - there are thousands of posts about this. It's extremely unlikely that they would do this now. Just like it's extremely unlikely that they'll revert the matchmaking change.

They may eventually adjust it like they did with the elixir for walls, but as for a complete reversion - I highly doubt it. People will adapt and move on.

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People have been asking them to stop pushing inactives back in the queue as well as multiple variations on removing loot penalties on inactives or their collectors for well over a year now. It's not a new idea by any means - there are thousands of posts about this. It's extremely unlikely that they would do this now. Just like it's extremely unlikely that they'll revert the matchmaking change.

They may eventually adjust it like they did with the elixir for walls, but as for a complete reversion - I highly doubt it. People will adapt and move on.

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Unfortunately the people who will adapt are the ones whove been playing the longest. Those newer players that are getting annihilated wont invest the extra time or money into the game. I do hope a solution is found :)

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Unfortunately the people who will adapt are the ones whove been playing the longest. Those newer players that are getting annihilated wont invest the extra time or money into the game. I do hope a solution is found :)

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This is still an issue. Most players aren't going to take the time to log on and make a post for a mobile phone game. Heck most people won't do it for an MMO.

I hope SuperCell is keeping an eye on how this is affecting the game and whether or not people are leaving.