An easy fix is that once you are committed to war, you cannot leave your clan until you have used both attacks in war! Easy fix! Post if you agree!
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An easy fix is that once you are committed to war, you cannot leave your clan until you have used both attacks in war! Easy fix! Post if you agree!
what if you don't use your attacks but don't leave the clan either
Well then that just sticks anyways, and there is no way to fix that. But this idea would help reinforce the use of the opt in/out feature!Quote:
Originally Posted by sr55651
Also it does not make sense for a person to go into a war and then not attack/leave. Waste of 48 hours and also screws over the clan too, lose lose scenario.
I'll let Iceageg handle this, but it's a TERRIBLE idea. (and yes, it's been proposed plenty of times before). Hey, let's FORCE people who don't want to be in our clan to stay! Nothing bad could come of that, right? Except I couldn't go to my friend's clan and get max balloons when I need them, and that guy who wanted to leave certainly won't fill everyone's requests with goblins.
How about instead you don't go to war with players you're not sure are loyal?
Thats why theres an opt in/out feature. They need to change it so if you are opted out, you cant be put in war at all. No one would be forcing you to stay lol and why would you go to war and then desert? That probably the most disrespectful thing you can do in this game and if you want to leave, then opt out and leave!Quote:
Originally Posted by awesomness2016
If you dont want to be in the clan, why would you make a 48 hour team commitment?? Just opt out and leave, very easy fix (would require that when opted out, the selector of the roster cant force you in if you say opt out)
Yay I want to force a player to stay in my clan so he can give goblin/giant to everyone and every war castle. When you request yay full of giant now you have to wait an other 20 min or spend gem to request again. Type random obscenity/spam in the chat so we can't have legitimate chat. make troll war base if he happen to be stuck during prep day. Have his 2 war attack surrender so he give zero start.
Being the biggest pain in the ♥♥♥ until the leader kick him so he can get out of the clan.
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Originally Posted by Arsenal14
No they don't. It works the way it is for a reason...clan members aren't always around, but I generally know as a leader who I can probably count on if I opt them in when they're opted out, and sometimes I need 1 or 2 more players to do a bigger war because I don't want to leave out players who are opted in. And if they don't do their battles in that case, I don't penalize them, because it's on me for opting them in.
The second part I agree with though, which is why my clan is full of adults who understand that being counted in and then not battling affects the entire clan, and we don't just put anyone in war until we've vetted them, which is the easiest way to deal with this problem.
Would you rather have undefined or 0 at the very worst? Also you can remove troops from your war castle so thats not a problem but when you request for your clan castle that would be a problem. But also would you take someone to war who donates goblins to your castle? No, youd kick them in a heartbeat before even selecting them in the rosterQuote:
Originally Posted by DanyBoy
Yeah true about needing the extra player for a bigger war and what not, ive done the same as well in certain cases. Last war we also did take only our most active 20 and murdered the other clan with all but 3 attacks used so i also agree that part of it is down to selection, but also aprt of it is up to the player to know if they have the time to war or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by awesomness2016
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Originally Posted by Arsenal14
What you propose is to force people to stay in the clan if they are in the war. That mean you opt him in the war in the first place. It mean he has a proper behavior before deserting. Now what you want to prevent is someone who has a proper behavior before the war then suddenly leave after the war start.
Now instead of being able to leave he will have to be kick so he will do everything he can to be kick and we simply don't want that kind of player stuck in our clan. If the leader he offline then he decide to spam the chat until he get kick that very annoying just let him leave. You cannot force someone to behave if he is unconsiderate enough to leave in the middle of the war there is a high change that he will not be the most considerate person when he find that he is stuck somewhere he don't want to be in.
I only think that people who have chosen/agreed to making the commitment to go to war should not be able to back out of it. Simple as that. By making a troll base, they are also screwing themselves. Donating gobs and stuff to war castle defense is an easy fix, you just remove them from your castle. However, if someone requests troops to your clan castle and gives you goblins, then thats annoying because you have to wait 15 minutes to request again. Thats not fixable regardless tho cause people can do that anytime.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanyBoy
Once someone deserts to join another clan, they have to wait the allotted time before they can war again so it makes no sense when people do that because there is 0 benefit all around
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Originally Posted by Arsenal14
Forcing people to to stay would more likely create more problems than it would solve. I'd suggest not allowing any members with the "new" designation to participate.
Interesting idea. Sort have a 'grace' period before people are eligible for war? Or even make a donation threshold before they are eligible?Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeNQ
Possibly. I'm sure there would be something to provide a workaround. But as I said earlier any attempt to force players to stay would make things worse. EX: goblins in cc, waste attacks anyway, talk trash in clan chat forcing a kick, etc, etc. In my clan I just opt out anyone with the new designation. Seems to work well enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal14
Terrible idea as others have pointed out. If you have such people in your war, you clan will be much better off the sooner they leave. The sooner they leave the sooner your clan can try to cover the deserter's attacks.
If the deserter were forced to stay they could either choose not to attack or to launch an attack that wouldn't benefit the clan at all (TH snipe, attack and quit, barch for 1 star on a base which has been starred previously) and this would hurt your clan mates even more if you were all counting on those attack(s) for the win/draw.
You ask whats the point in wasting two days? Well there is just too many evil people in the world. Hoppers and deserters dont care about the time, the reports or any consequences. They just want to annoy you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal14
Personally i do not agree with this idea. Ive been in these forums for a while now, longer than my membership. Ive seen this topic discussed by many people and have seen the pros and the many, many cons.
The best way that has been settled so far is prevention rather than cure. Good leadership trumps hoppers every time. You say there is no sense in creating chaos in a clan by these deserters, yes i agree that it makes no sense, but to them it perfectly makes one.
I suggest the OP read a few topics about this using the search function. You'll gain a whole lot more insight in this topic from previous discussions.
So you'd rather force them to drop a barbarian on two different bases? Because That's all they would need to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal14
Terrible idea and completely unnecessary. Grow your clan slowly and war with those that have earned your trust.
There are reasons why they leave your clan. I can give two, since I only know 2 of them.
- Because your clan isn't that good enough and the "deserter" wants a stronger one.
- Because your clan is inactive.
Locking them in the clan during the War (especially when they're part of it) will simply force them to donate Goblins, Wall Breakers or low-leveled troops to everyone's War CC until they get kicked. The Opt In/Out feature is rarely used by people and are only used by those who know the game and its updates well.