Solution to the spies problem in clan wars

So, you've fixed the ghosting and bunny issue. thats great. However one issue still remains, that is spies sent by the other team to screenshot the bases, including trap position and CC troops. i have a solution that i think both easy to implement and will make the whole wars thing much more cleaner and fair.

Make it so only the players who are directly participating in war can view traps, cc troops and any hidden base elements. That way, even if the other clan does send a spy, he won't be in the war, and wont be able to see anything beyond what the other team can see.

There are also other benefits to this idea, which i won't discuss here as the revolve around subjects that are against TOS, which i'm sure you are well aware off

Any threat of a spy is instantly stopped by setting your clan to "Closed".
If you war nonstop, you might want to consider stopping for one or two days to recruit.
If you don't, its your choice to run the risk of getting spied on.

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Originally Posted by CaptainSport

Any threat of a spy is instantly stopped by setting your clan to "Closed".
If you war nonstop, you might want to consider stopping for one or two days to recruit.
If you don't, its your choice to run the risk of getting spied on.

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This is not a solution. This is one of the measures we are FORCED to take to fight the problem.

I think it is SuperCell responsibility to provide us with a clean and fair gaming environment, not leave security holes that we should figure out how to deal with. I believe it can be solved with my idea

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Originally Posted by Dimson

This is not a solution. This is one of the measures we are FORCED to take to fight the problem.

I think it is SuperCell responsibility to provide us with a clean and fair gaming environment, not leave security holes that we should figure out how to deal with. I believe it can be solved with my idea

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It is your own responsibility to outsmart the spies.

An unnecessary solution to.a non-problem.

Many points I could make but here’s a sampler...
How does the clan defense expert, who is not participating, advice others if they can’t see everything ?

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Originally Posted by Dimson

This is not a solution. This is one of the measures we are FORCED to take to fight the problem.

I think it is SuperCell responsibility to provide us with a clean and fair gaming environment, not leave security holes that we should figure out how to deal with. I believe it can be solved with my idea

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SC has given you the tools. You just won’t accept it.
Not that CoC is in any way real.world...but how do you think countries at war handle the issue ?? They usually start by closing the borders.

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Originally Posted by OzAudi

An unnecessary solution to.a non-problem.

Many points I could make but here’s a sampler...
How does the clan defense expert, who is not participating, advice others if they can’t see everything ?

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easy
swap your farming base for your war base, takes only a second. please, make more points :smirk:

And for the record, i am a member of highly successful, non stop war clan. we already do what you suggested here, close the clan during war, recruit exclusively through forums, etc. it feels forced and interferes with other casual clan activities. it's not like we can't handle the current state of the game. but i feel theres a better solution

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Originally Posted by Dimson

So, you've fixed the ghosting and bunny issue. thats great. However one issue still remains, that is spies sent by the other team to screenshot the bases, including trap position and CC troops. i have a solution that i think both easy to implement and will make the whole wars thing much more cleaner and fair.

Make it so only the players who are directly participating in war can view traps, cc troops and any hidden base elements. That way, even if the other clan does send a spy, he won't be in the war, and wont be able to see anything beyond what the other team can see.

There are also other benefits to this idea, which i won't discuss here as the revolve around subjects that are against TOS, which i'm sure you are well aware off

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You are wrong to compare 3rd party software like the fuzzy bunny/ghosting (which many argue is not yet fixed) with something that is intentionally built into the game to be a normal part of the gameplay.

Spying is just normal gamesmanship within COC. Guys will try to out smart you and its on you to be smarter than they are.

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Originally Posted by Dimson

easy
swap your farming base for your war base, takes only a second. please, make more points :smirk:

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You really haven‘t thought this through have you. The spy sees everything my non-participant defense expert can see. A really good spy hides their alliances, doesn’t actively fight in wars and stays in the enemy camp for the duration of hostilities, reporting back using secret methods.

Do some research here. Plenty of threads discuss spies and some suggest your idea. Learn what others think.

The problem isn't the spies, its the people who can't be bothered to get off their asses and solve it themselves.
Close the clan. Solved
Dont accept people you don't know during wars. solved

Dont make supercell waste their time fixing something that wasn't broken.

Thank you, but we already have a good idea for a simple fix...
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=spying+simple
All of page 4 pretty much explains things well.
No need to reinvent the wheel, or call eachother names, and whatever everyone else does to waste time on this issue.

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Originally Posted by Dimson

This is not a solution. This is one of the measures we are FORCED to take to fight the problem.

I think it is SuperCell responsibility to provide us with a clean and fair gaming environment, not leave security holes that we should figure out how to deal with. I believe it can be solved with my idea

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Closing your clan and not letting anyone you dont know in is actually the best solution against spies.

and it's your responsibility to not let spies/suspected spies in your clan if you have a war.

To require a fix, there needs to be a problem, and as many "spy" threads go up, based on the responses though, it seems that most people don't view spying really as a problem. I think a poll should go up, because we are bombarded with threads from people asking for spy defense, but (by my estimate) 80-90% of the people responding to it say it isn't a problem...

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Originally Posted by ShaneHed13

To require a fix, there needs to be a problem, and as many "spy" threads go up, based on the responses though, it seems that most people don't view spying really as a problem. I think a poll should go up, because we are bombarded with threads from people asking for spy defense, but (by my estimate) 80-90% of the people responding to it say it isn't a problem...

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Supercell had to respond...
http://supercell.helpshift.com/a/cla...829;♥ing

So it is a problem. The first link I posted explained this.

Added Edit: Damn forum censor. put in the missing c h e a t word in the URL.

The first link you posted takes us to another thread about spying, where the community is divided. Not sure how to access your second link then, tried replacing the heard with ♥♥♥♥♥ but to no avail.

Found it, this is what SC says about it:

An opponent is spying on our clan! Isn't that ♥♥♥♥♥ing?

While spying on your opponent's clan isn't what we would call sportsmanlike, it's not a breach of any rules in Clash of Clans.


It's understandable if you feel upset about players doing this, but Clan Wars is serious business. Some clans are prepared to go to surprising lengths for victory. Be careful about who you let into your clan because, as the saying goes, everything is fair in love and war. You can keep unwanted members out by setting your clan to 'Invite only' or 'Closed'.



Not sure how is equates a problem that needs fixing, they say it isn't a breach of rules and is unsportsmanlike and for people to be careful about who they let in their clan...

But spying is part of the game! It's part of wars. You don't go to war and then open your borders to anyone. If you're careless enough to unknowingly let spies in then it's your fault. The game has measures to prevent this and it is your responsibility to use them.

I got curious about SCs position and did follow one of Warren's directions to SCs comments previously. He had gotten into it with another forum member and it was several pages of arguments both ways that had gotten so personal I felt the need to do something to bring myself back to what the point was. Below is what I found. They stated that they think it is "fair" and "not a breach of the rules". They instead suggest folks take it on their own selves to not get outsmarted and offer suggestions along those lines.

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When I went looking for this I was still interested in the debate as an open issue. But having seen that SC has taken this stance I now think this is asked and answered and that further noise on it is just spam. The guys still calling it 'a problem to be fixed' are just trying to get someone else to cover their own ineffectiveness for them. I think the lot of them should dry their eyes and move on because all they are doing is wasting forum space (over and over again) that could in fact be used for good new ideas that are for the betterment of the game. This one has turned into a dead horse not needing further beating.

Trying to get community feedback on players views on Spying as it currently stands. Little Poll going on if ya'll want to vote.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ying-a-Problem

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Originally Posted by ShaneHed13

The first link you posted takes us to another thread about spying, where the community is divided. Not sure how to access your second link then, tried replacing the heard with ♥♥♥♥♥ but to no avail.

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Fine...
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post4446399

I'm not quoting, I'm not going to spam the thread with words people will read, but yet not 'read', so I'm just posting a link.

If you need help even with that. Sorry, can't think for you.

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Originally Posted by ShaneHed13

Found it, this is what SC says about it:

An opponent is spying on our clan! Isn't that ♥♥♥♥♥ing?

While spying on your opponent's clan isn't what we would call sportsmanlike, it's not a breach of any rules in Clash of Clans.


It's understandable if you feel upset about players doing this, but Clan Wars is serious business. Some clans are prepared to go to surprising lengths for victory. Be careful about who you let into your clan because, as the saying goes, everything is fair in love and war. You can keep unwanted members out by setting your clan to 'Invite only' or 'Closed'.



Not sure how is equates a problem that needs fixing, they say it isn't a breach of rules and is unsportsmanlike and for people to be careful about who they let in their clan...

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Supercell had to respond to it, so it is a big enough problem to make a FAQ for, because as you know, FAQ means Frequently asked questions. Plus it spams the forum. As I said before, even if spying is not effective, it is seen as a problem by players, and they react accordingly.

So, make some public announcement that they may or may not read, or spend a bit of time to do said fix I've ran into.

This should be a no-brainer... should.. But I guess it requires a brain still.

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

Fine...
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post4446399

I'm not quoting, I'm not going to spam the thread with words people will read, but yet not 'read', so I'm just posting a link.

If you need help even with that. Sorry, can't think for you.



Supercell had to respond to it, so it is a big enough problem to make a FAQ for, because as you know, FAQ means Frequently asked questions. Plus it spams the forum. As I said before, even if spying is not effective, it is seen as a problem by players, and they react accordingly.

So, make some public announcement that they may or may not read, or spend a bit of time to do said fix I've ran into.

This should be a no-brainer... should.. But I guess it requires a brain still.

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You can come off as a pompous ♥♥♥♥♥ sometimes there Warren. Yeah, SC responded to the community by saying, "Be more careful who you let in your clans" and you AGAIN make the (potentially) wrong assumption that the majority of players view it is a problem. Yeah, it is brought up a ton, but the overwhelming response in the feedback is that isn't a problem. You could watch the news every day and come to the conclusion that 90% of children get abducted or you could realize that the the few with the biggest voice has skewed your opinion on whether or not it really is a problem to dwell over.

Go Vote, not a problem is winning

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ying-a-Problem

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Originally Posted by ShaneHed13

You can come off as a pompous ♥♥♥♥♥ sometimes there Warren. Yeah, SC responded to the community by saying, "Be more careful who you let in your clans" and you AGAIN make the (potentially) wrong assumption that the majority of players view it is a problem. Yeah, it is brought up a ton, but the overwhelming response in the feedback is that isn't a problem. You could watch the news every day and come to the conclusion that 90% of children get abducted or you could realize that the the few with the biggest voice has skewed your opinion on whether or not it really is a problem to dwell over.

Go Vote, not a problem is winning

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ying-a-Problem

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Sometimes, after tiptoeing around and being Mr. Nice Guy, you just have to be blunt, and not overly worry about stepping on people's toes.

Did I say "the majority"? No. Does it have to involve 51% or greater of the playerbase before a fix should be done? Apparently people think so. So Supercell will let gameplay suffer from this issue, because it isn't a majority vote. :facepalm:

I know very well the difference between the news reporting skew. Check the death differences between shark attacks and auto accidents. Unless it is something spectacular, like spontaneously combusting Ford trucks, or metal shrapnel from air bags, those horrible, but boring, deaths get under reported.

And the poll just started. Wait a week or two and then brag about the results.. if you can. Also, I was the first one to vote, if you couldn't tell.

I don't see a problem with adding a few lines of code that inconveniences barely anyone, to help reduce drama in game. It will shut people up and get them on more important things.

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Originally Posted by ShaneHed13

You can come off as a pompous ♥♥♥♥♥ sometimes there Warren. . .

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You should see some of my posts. I REALLY try to make sure there are at least 200-300 posts between meltdowns but it's like Gallagher taught us. Sometimes, "You have to point out ignorance and stupidity wherever you find it . . . and fight it with ignorance and stupidity!" Trolls speak trollish and children speak childish. Sometimes you just have to speak at their level with snarky/snide/sarcastic or otherwise intellectually devoid commentary just so they will understand.

I'm not talking specifically about this thread. I have already admitted to not reading through it. Just speaking in general terms of human communication (particularly on the interwebz). Most of the regulars have some real jewels buried in the forum archives. Somebody should create a thread with just those posts (not the entire threads) simply so we can re-read them on a rainy night drinking a beer.

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

Did I say "the majority"? No. Does it have to involve 51% or greater of the playerbase before a fix should be done? Apparently people think so. So Supercell will let gameplay suffer from this issue, because it isn't a majority vote. :facepalm:.

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I guess my thoughts are that thousands of "problems" are brought up on the forums every single day, how do we determine which ones are actual problems and which ones are not? Why isn't hoppers a problem that requires fixing? If we give credence to every problem that is presented here, it would be ridiculous. I understand that it isn't a democracy and SC is going to decide what they decide, but in their addressing of the problem they state, "All is fair in love and war" which to me indicates that they don't view it as a problem.

So now, we have a community which may well be over 50% saying it isn't a problem, and the developers saying, "Don't let people in you don't trust" and "All is fair" yet somehow, for some reason I have yet to understand, this is a topic that demands fixing?

How do we determine what needs to be fixed and what doesn't? I prefer to lean towards a majority rules type of thinking with the understanding that it isn't a democracy, but you seem to operate under the, "I view this as a problem, so it needs fixing" standpoint despite what other people may think.

A spy is a member of the enemy clan, often times a member who is not in the current war. They request to join your clan and pretend to be genuinely interested in your clan. Meanwhile, they snap pics of all your clan's war bases and post them online for all the enemy clan to see.

Lets set set aside the discussion of whether this should be permitted in war. As leader of my clan, I don't want to give new members full access to my war base. Give me the power to promote a member to elder, at which point they can have visit my base and see trap placement.

We really just want to protect from new members having the ability to spy. So let's have it so new members can't see the bomb placements. If I make you elder in the clan, u are a trusted member and I have no problems with you seeing my whole base. But if I let you in the clan 5 mins ago, why do you get to see my whole war base? Let's fix that!


Please add a feature that allows me to keep my war base private, or simply make it so you have to become a trusted member of the clan, an elder, in order to have full access to my war base