Changing the Algorithm Back

After this new update, the new match making algorithm has destroyed any chances for low TH pushers in high leagues to find any bases. This is no fun as we sit in hours of clouds just to find bases over 800 trophies below us. The old algorithm was fine as it is, but this new one has brought the death to low TH snipers.

Perhaps a compromise could be come to? Like what if it was made so that you could only attack 1-2 TH's below you but any TH level above you? Then the sniping community could be revived :o

Sorry I disagree. As a th9 base who's gone through the gold and crystal league trying to find loot, I can tell you that before the update I would burn through all my gold trying to find anyone with around 200k of each resource. Now, I've been finding people with 300 - 400k in each resource, so I'm a happy camper :D perhaps they just need to balance our the algorithm more.

Once you get to champs, its back to normal

As things get fixed, there are going to be fewer and fewer 'weird things', like less TH3s pushing to Champion League... assuming I'm reading the OP's signiture correctly.

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

As things get fixed, there are going to be fewer and fewer 'weird things', like less TH3s pushing to Champion League... assuming I'm reading the OP's signiture correctly.

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Well said - not SC's fault you are sniping to masters as a th 3

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Originally Posted by clashingswimmer

After this new update, the new match making algorithm has destroyed any chances for low TH pushers in high leagues to find any bases. This is no fun as we sit in hours of clouds just to find bases over 800 trophies below us. The old algorithm was fine as it is, but this new one has brought the death to low TH snipers.

Perhaps a compromise could be come to? Like what if it was made so that you could only attack 1-2 TH's below you but any TH level above you? Then the sniping community could be revived :o

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Something needs to change. I'm getting attacked by guys over 1400 cups below me and yet I can't see them. How does that work? Something is wrong.

This pic shows the result. I was at 3130 and he was 1689 and got me with a -59.

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Originally Posted by mtommy2597

Once you get to champs, its back to normal

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The problem is I can't find any raids to even get to champs, so...

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

As things get fixed, there are going to be fewer and fewer 'weird things', like less TH3s pushing to Champion League... assuming I'm reading the OP's signiture correctly.

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Yup, I am a TH 3 :)

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Originally Posted by Kowalski711

Well said - not SC's fault you are sniping to masters as a th 3

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Its not that it has anything to do with me being TH 3, its that the algorithm is changed and screwed up.

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Originally Posted by PelicanTacos

Something needs to change. I'm getting attacked by guys over 1400 cups below me and yet I can't see them. How does that work? Something is wrong.

This pic shows the result. I was at 3130 and he was 1689 and got me with a -59.

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This is exactly what's wrong with it, things shouldn't be like this. Nothing this weird was happening with the old algorithm.

The update moves lower th into appropriate leagues. nothing wrong with it.

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Originally Posted by Lyle44

The update moves lower th into appropriate leagues. nothing wrong with it.

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There is no set league for any TH. You can find most every type of TH in every league, but this update is preventing that, which isn't right

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Originally Posted by clashingswimmer

There is no set league for any TH. You can find most every type of TH in every league, but this update is preventing that, which isn't right

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If you are forced into a league, they need to say that's what the purpose of the update was, or at least the "unintended" purpose. They want us to progress and not snipe any more, which in turn we don't get the loot bonus.

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Originally Posted by PelicanTacos

If you are forced into a league, they need to say that's what the purpose of the update was, or at least the "unintended" purpose. They want us to progress and not snipe any more, which in turn we don't get the loot bonus.

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For me it wasn't about the bonus, it was the challenge of getting champ at low level TH. It is something that not many people have done, and so I wanted to be one of them

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Originally Posted by PelicanTacos

If you are forced into a league, they need to say that's what the purpose of the update was, or at least the "unintended" purpose. They want us to progress and not snipe any more, which in turn we don't get the loot bonus.

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I had to disagree. I'm a TH5 who sniped my way to crystal 1 in 3 days. Before the update, I was 800 trophies then hit 1400 on the 1st day of pushing, then 2200 on the 2nd day and finally 2400 on the 3rd day (which was the other day). Now after the update all I am matched for will only give me 3 star if I win and -33 to -37 stars if I lose. Every single match in the last 100 matches I nexted and not a single TH8 to TH10. All I saw are TH5s to TH7s who are crystal 3 or below even as low as gold 2.

This new matchmaker is clearly aimed at stopping TH sniping which has already been an integral part of the game, or say call it emergent gameplay. It's too sad that SC is now only thinking of the money. Before it was fun and people really have an incentive to trophy push for gems for those who cannot afford a 4th & 5th builder hut. Now they just screwed a whole lot of people with this new system and made the game boring and grindy in a bad way because they killed TH sniping which is part of the game.

I was only trophy pushing for the League All-star achievement in order to get the 4th and 5th builder hut. I'm pretty sure it is the same sole reason for 99% of TH hunters out there, and it has been an integral part of the game. It has a unique reward on its own. They shouldn't have let TH sniping be part of the game in the first place if it was meant to be that way all along. They didn't have to wait for 3 years to figure out a way to implement it. What an obnoxious way to end such a nice emergent gameplay. I think this matchmaking update is really stupid and it really waters down the game killing all the fun to be had with it.

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Originally Posted by Alchael

I had to disagree. I'm a TH5 who sniped my way to crystal 1 in 3 days. Before the update, I was 800 trophies then hit 1400 on the 1st day of pushing, then 2200 on the 2nd day and finally 2400 on the 3rd day (which was the other day). Now after the update all I am matched for will only give me 3 star if I win and -33 to -37 stars if I lose. Every single match in the last 100 matches I nexted and not a single TH8 to TH10. All I saw are TH5s to TH7s who are crystal 3 or below even as low as gold 2.

This new matchmaker is clearly aimed at stopping TH sniping which has already been an integral part of the game, or say call it emergent gameplay. It's too sad that SC is now only thinking of the money. Before it was fun and people really have an incentive to trophy push for gems for those who cannot afford a 4th & 5th builder hut. Now they just screwed a whole lot of people with this new system and made the game boring and grindy in a bad way because they killed TH sniping which is part of the game.

I was only trophy pushing for the League All-star achievement in order to get the 4th and 5th builder hut. I'm pretty sure it is the same sole reason for 99% of TH hunters out there, and it has been an integral part of the game. It has a unique reward on its own. They shouldn't have let TH sniping be part of the game in the first place if it was meant to be that way all along. They didn't have to wait for 3 years to figure out a way to implement it. What an obnoxious way to end such a nice emergent gameplay. I think this matchmaking update is really stupid and it really waters down the game killing all the fun to be had with it.

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That's pretty much exactly why I did it too. I know that more builders are better at higher TH's, so I wanted the builders sooner so I wouldn't need to worry about it later. That and being one of the few to make it there :)

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Originally Posted by clashingswimmer

That's pretty much exactly why I did it too. I know that more builders are better at higher TH's, so I wanted the builders sooner so I wouldn't need to worry about it later. That and being one of the few to make it there :)

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The update is really frustrating and a part of me died when I found out how it affected the game and TH sniping. Now I have no more incentive to play. How about we team up and find support from other TH hunters and make a petition to bring the old algorithm back into the game? :D

More or less, Town Hall level does fall within set Leagues. Of course there are exceptions, like the example with the OP.

However, with the new algorithm, those exceptions are in an unusual situation... with obvious effects.

So the question we should ask is, should Town Hall levels determine effective League they can be in? This new algorithm will shove people more strongly into areas where there are more people similar Town Hall levels. This will make OPs join of bucking the system and be a TH3 in Champion League extremelly hard, and make a low trophy score TH9 quickly fly back up into the high Leagues.

This will also make it hard for high Town Halls players to actually dive to sub 200 for the pool of abandoned bases down there.

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Added Edit: Why would Town Hall sniping be the the main reason to play? Kind of goes against the basic intention of the game, doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by StephenGuarino

Sorry I disagree. As a th9 base who's gone through the gold and crystal league trying to find loot, I can tell you that before the update I would burn through all my gold trying to find anyone with around 200k of each resource. Now, I've been finding people with 300 - 400k in each resource, so I'm a happy camper :D perhaps they just need to balance our the algorithm more.

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Same!! Been much easier to find loot for me also!

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

More or less, Town Hall level does fall within set Leagues. Of course there are exceptions, like the example with the OP.

However, with the new algorithm, those exceptions are in an unusual situation... with obvious effects.

So the question we should ask is, should Town Hall levels determine effective League they can be in? This new algorithm will shove people more strongly into areas where there are more people similar Town Hall levels. This will make OPs join of bucking the system and be a TH3 in Champion League extremelly hard, and make a low trophy score TH9 quickly fly back up into the high Leagues.

This will also make it hard for high Town Halls players to actually dive to sub 200 for the pool of abandoned bases down there.

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Added Edit: Why would Town Hall sniping be the the main reason to play? Kind of goes against the basic intention of the game, doesn't it?

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Putting all things into consideration, I think more people will agree with me that the old matchmaker is still a LOT more fun than this 'watered down' version of an excuse to 'forcibly bring people into INTENDED trophy leagues' which is tyrannical in a way. People should not be forced into a trophy league - it should be by choice. Whether that choice be for the glory of having high trophy count with a very low TH level or for the loot bonus or whether it be for noobstomping low level bases in sub 200s and for a plethora of reasons - IT WAS THE PLAYERS' CHOICE - which made the game fun and opened up a whole new world of emergent gameplay, ei. TH sniping.

Now everybody is seemingly forced into a place where they don't feel they belong or they don't want for obvious reasons and everybody who's a tad too high or too low on trophy are getting punished or pulled into their 'proper' leagues. It needs to be back to how it is or this game is going to die for obvious reasons.

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

More or less, Town Hall level does fall within set Leagues. Of course there are exceptions, like the example with the OP.

However, with the new algorithm, those exceptions are in an unusual situation... with obvious effects.

So the question we should ask is, should Town Hall levels determine effective League they can be in? This new algorithm will shove people more strongly into areas where there are more people similar Town Hall levels. This will make OPs join of bucking the system and be a TH3 in Champion League extremelly hard, and make a low trophy score TH9 quickly fly back up into the high Leagues.

This will also make it hard for high Town Halls players to actually dive to sub 200 for the pool of abandoned bases down there.

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Added Edit: Why would Town Hall sniping be the the main reason to play? Kind of goes against the basic intention of the game, doesn't it?

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Talking about your added edit, no, sniping is not what the game is about for me. I have another account on my phone, but it is a TH 8 account I'm trying to max and grinding out skulls gets super boring. So when I got a tablet then I thought "Hey, why not challenge myself?" My brother did it and I wanted to beat him, and once I did I wanted to go all the way, just for the challenge of it.

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Originally Posted by Alchael

Putting all things into consideration, I think more people will agree with me that the old matchmaker is still a LOT more fun than this 'watered down' version of an excuse to 'forcibly bring people into INTENDED trophy leagues' which is tyrannical in a way. People should not be forced into a trophy league - it should be by choice. Whether that choice be for the glory of having high trophy count with a very low TH level or for the loot bonus or whether it be for noobstomping low level bases in sub 200s and for a plethora of reasons - IT WAS THE PLAYERS' CHOICE - which made the game fun and opened up a whole new world of emergent gameplay, ei. TH sniping.

Now everybody is seemingly forced into a place where they don't feel they belong or they don't want for obvious reasons and everybody who's a tad too high or too low on trophy are getting punished or pulled into their 'proper' leagues. It needs to be back to how it is or this game is going to die for obvious reasons.

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Exactly, that's what made Clash great. You got to choose your league among other things, but now we can't. At this point it's kinda now about how the algorithm is screwed up, not just for snipers, although that is influential too.

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Originally Posted by Alchael

The update is really frustrating and a part of me died when I found out how it affected the game and TH sniping. Now I have no more incentive to play. How about we team up and find support from other TH hunters and make a petition to bring the old algorithm back into the game? :D

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Honestly we wouldn't have to bring the old alg back into the game, even though it wasn't too bad, to me at least. Like the one i first posted, a balance could be made. What if the upper limit of your attack was limitless? Like a TH 4 could attack all the way up to a TH 10 if they choose, but at the same time you could only attack down 1-2 TH levels, like a TH 9 could only attack a TH 7. That would bring more happiness to the sniper community and still satisfy SC's goal of stopping low TH's from getting wrecked by high TH's with strong armies.

♥♥♥♥♥ the point is to limit beating down on smaller based that shouldn't really be th sniping anyways. This way U can better your ATTACK skill and strategy on bases and th similar to your own

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Originally Posted by StephenGuarino

Sorry I disagree. As a th9 base who's gone through the gold and crystal league trying to find loot, I can tell you that before the update I would burn through all my gold trying to find anyone with around 200k of each resource. Now, I've been finding people with 300 - 400k in each resource, so I'm a happy camper :D perhaps they just need to balance our the algorithm more.

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True story bro- the loot has been exemplary, unfortunately its also a double edged sword. Free shields are less common and I get screwed by more farmers more often

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Originally Posted by Jules957

♥♥♥♥♥ the point is to limit beating down on smaller based that shouldn't really be th sniping anyways. This way U can better your ATTACK skill and strategy on bases and th similar to your own

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True, but what if there are no TH's in your league? Then it is fair for them to sit there trying to find a TH like themselves? They should be allowed to attack TH's above them, who are stronger than them. Like as a TH 3 I should be allowed to attack TH 3,4,5,6,7,8,9, and 10, there's no point for me being stuck at just TH 3 and 4 and maybe 5.

On the flip side, a TH 10 should not be allowed to attack down so low, like a TH 5, that is what they wanted with the new update, but limiting the upper limit is pointless.

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Originally Posted by clashingswimmer

Honestly we wouldn't have to bring the old alg back into the game, even though it wasn't too bad, to me at least. Like the one i first posted, a balance could be made. What if the upper limit of your attack was limitless? Like a TH 4 could attack all the way up to a TH 10 if they choose, but at the same time you could only attack down 1-2 TH levels, like a TH 9 could only attack a TH 7. That would bring more happiness to the sniper community and still satisfy SC's goal of stopping low TH's from getting wrecked by high TH's with strong armies.

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I totally agree that a balance like this could be implemented in order to save the sniping community. However, I also cannot deny the fact that some people really love watching their bases get raped and torn apart by high level players once in a while... and it could be the secret reason why the majority of players are enticed or motivated to keep playing the game in order to get stronger like those players who raped their bases. Now if you cannot feel the crushing defeat of being raped liked this, there is no more excitement like in the old times. I think this will mostly affect new players who haven't had a taste of the old matchmaker.

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Originally Posted by clashingswimmer

True, but what if there are no TH's in your league? Then it is fair for them to sit there trying to find a TH like themselves? They should be allowed to attack TH's above them, who are stronger than them. Like as a TH 3 I should be allowed to attack TH 3,4,5,6,7,8,9, and 10, there's no point for me being stuck at just TH 3 and 4 and maybe 5.

On the flip side, a TH 10 should not be allowed to attack down so low, like a TH 5, that is what they wanted with the new update, but limiting the upper limit is pointless.

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Well obviously a lot of people play this so there will constantly be a person of th range within your league. They wouldn't have added this idea without doing the calculations first. Besides then TH10's wouldn't have anyone but TH10's to ATTACK making them stronger and well more OP to lower bases trying to ATTACK them. They have no one above them to ATTACK. (Ugh I hate auto correct and the caps) either way I doubt SC will change it back unless a large attention/ post thread was created to catch their eyes

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Originally Posted by Jules957

Well obviously a lot of people play this so there will constantly be a person of th range within your league. They wouldn't have added this idea without doing the calculations first. Besides then TH10's wouldn't have anyone but TH10's to ATTACK making them stronger and well more OP to lower bases trying to ATTACK them. They have no one above them to ATTACK. (Ugh I hate auto correct and the caps) either way I doubt SC will change it back unless a large attention/ post thread was created to catch their eyes

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Nah, not really for me. See before the update I was fine since I could attack anyone and I was good since there was no one like me in my league. But now everything is screwed up and I'm getting matched with TH 6's in crystal 3, after 5+ minutes of clouds.

Even my brother, a TH 10 in master 1 found some guy down in crystal 1, and there should be plenty of TH 10's for him to find. Something is wrong here....:confused:

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Originally Posted by clashingswimmer

Talking about your added edit, no, sniping is not what the game is about for me. I have another account on my phone, but it is a TH 8 account I'm trying to max and grinding out skulls gets super boring. So when I got a tablet then I thought "Hey, why not challenge myself?" My brother did it and I wanted to beat him, and once I did I wanted to go all the way, just for the challenge of it.

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Been trying to attack the boring grind problem with a few ideas. Not as much as my attack on the problems with the gameplay on the defence side, but if the defence issue is fixed, it would make things more interesting and engaging too.

A couple threads I made specific to address the boring grind.
Hunt for Weak Village? How about smaller army size? (Note: Crazy idea, and half developed... or just half baked)
Encourage Higher Risk Raids (Increased rewards to make daring raids more common)

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

Been trying to attack the boring grind problem with a few ideas. Not as much as my attack on the problems with the gameplay on the defence side, but if the defence issue is fixed, it would make things more interesting and engaging too.

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Skull grinding is boring, but it's also just so bland. Like while I'm sniping, I just sit there and do other work and stuff while clicking Clash every so often, but for grinding walls I have to pay attention and see if it's a good raid or not and all this stuff.
That's why I made my other account on the tablet, to have something where I could play on the side but still be more exciting (more than grinding walls anyway). But now that sniping is being eradicated, it's just devastating, and seemingly like a pointless part of the update.

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Originally Posted by clashingswimmer

Skull grinding is boring, but it's also just so bland. Like while I'm sniping, I just sit there and do other work and stuff while clicking Clash every so often, but for grinding walls I have to pay attention and see if it's a good raid or not and all this stuff.
That's why I made my other account on the tablet, to have something where I could play on the side but still be more exciting (more than grinding walls anyway). But now that sniping is being eradicated, it's just devastating, and seemingly like a pointless part of the update.

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Call that pure tyranny. SC wants to put people into 'their proper leagues' without thinking why people wanted to be on a particular league at any given TH level. A whole world of emergent gameplay died with this unbelievably stupid update. Next thing we will know, they will remove trophies altogether because it's pointless anyway to keep trophies when you cannot be matched with people on the same trophy league but rather with people on same TH levels even if trophy differences are 800+. This is the most game breaking update ever IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Alchael

Call that pure tyranny. SC wants to put people into 'their proper leagues' without thinking why people wanted to be on a particular league at any given TH level. A whole world of emergent gameplay died with this unbelievably stupid update. Next thing we will know, they will remove trophies altogether because it's pointless anyway to keep trophies when you cannot be matched with people on the same trophy league but rather with people on same TH levels even if trophy differences are 800+. This is the most game breaking update ever IMHO.

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I'm really hoping its not game breaking, but I don't think it will be. It honestly is tyranny too much, it's just forcing people into designated leagues, which is dumb, and I guess somewhat controlling of what we do. It was better when we could control the league we were in ourselves