Prevent war spies

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Because limiting gameplay to restrict a few players who aren't really causing a problem restricts how the rest of us can play. Especially the most helpful players in the game who move between clans daily visiting friends, helping feeder/sister clans, sharing gameplay knowledge and donating troops they otherwise would not otherwise have access too. The reason we are opposed to it is because it fixes a problem that doesn't need fixing. Fixing things that aren't broken is a good way to break them.

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If you slog through the thread from near the start, you'll see a simple fix that barely restricts anyone.

And it does need fixing. We can't go around telling people that spying is not reliable, because the common perception of it that it is, they feel violated, and the current methods of blocking it aren't to easy for new players to fully take advantage of right off the bat.

Much of the game is designed to be easy to use and understand without needing manuals or instructions. This spy issue is not easy to understand for a newbie. Not saying it is hard, let alone impossible, to understand and compensate for, but it goes against the standard flow of the game.

As someone with some familiarity with computer coding (enough to be dangerous), the work required to fix this is disgustingly easy.

Yet, people go on and on, and put in more effort arguing over it than it would take a SC coder to block it, and with insignificant consequences. I bet you the regular forum goers here individual, have put in 100x more effort frivolously arguing over this, than it would take a SC coder to put in the simple block.

Put in the block and kill this damn drama already.

i think this is a great idea and i think it helps out. our clan is growing slowly but surely but not accepting members during war is slowing down growth.

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

If you slog through the thread from near the start, you'll see a simple fix that barely restricts anyone. . .

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I did only skim through it and saw the normal complaints, normal answers, and normal temper tantrum style refusal to accept that those answers do work every day for most successful clans. So I quickly skimmed through to the last page. If there is a good functional/original idea that does not punish me for having friends then I am all for it. My only hesitation would be spending developer time on something that can already be handled instead of updates that are long overdue that would benefit us all. Until then the OP really can do what the rest of us do with great success.

Thumbs up if there is an original functional idea buried in here.

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Originally Posted by GameSketcher

I think it's a part of clan's tactics etc... and if the clan leaders are smart, they will not accept the player.

But if these changes... :
War spectators with status "new" can't see war base traps, CC troops... but "new" members participating in CW can see it.
Then it should work :)

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I quoted this before, and had a ":facepalm: Ahh! Of course!" moment. (or I came up/across it before and forgot it horribly... but doubt it)

Before I was thinking some stat or flag had to be added, but there is already a stat for 'new' members.

Clan hoppers, new clan members, and new clans will have some hang ups with this, but the vast majority will never have any problem with this.

'New' status goes away after a given time; and if the coder wants to be 'fancy', they can shorten the anti-spy blocking time to 12-24 hours (or even 2-6 hours) by making the function look at the 'New' status' time stamp. There has to be time related variable in the New status, either a time/date stamp, or a simple count down timer. It isn't hard to make a function call up what that data is, and if it is past a set value, the anti-spy blocking feature expires.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

I did only skim through it and saw the normal complaints, normal answers, and normal temper tantrum style refusal to accept that those answers do work every day for most successful clans. So I quickly skimmed through to the last page. If there is a good functional/original idea that does not punish me for having friends then I am all for it. My only hesitation would be spending developer time on something that can already be handled instead of updates that are long overdue that would benefit us all. Until then the OP really can do what the rest of us do with great success.

Thumbs up if there is an original functional idea buried in here.

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There are many simple solutions that don't hinder others.
Any with a 'new' flag cannot see the hidden structures. All elders can. That would allow leaders to promote a new member to bypass the 'new' flag, if they want to bypass it.
Or, let each player decide for themselves in their war base if their structures will be visible to others in the clan.

In my opinion, we are being hindered now, closing clans, limiting recruitment to certain times and certain channels only. Also, there is no way to say how much impact the spying has, and how well the proposed 'solutions' work. Wars are won or lost. Who can say if the outcome would have been different if spying was harder or impossible. I can't. Neither can anybody else, unless they happen to be in an undefeated clan.

The recent update limited this very information (teslas, cc troops, traps) to prevent their use in sandbox. Obviously, somebody believes this information is worth protecting. Soon, the mods will be changed so sandboxers can enter this information themselves, so spying will be more prevalent.

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

'New' status goes away after a given time; and if the coder wants to be 'fancy', they can shorten the anti-spy blocking time to 12-24 hours (or even 2-6 hours) by making the function look at the 'New' status' time stamp. There has to be time related variable in the New status, either a time/date stamp, or a simple count down timer. It isn't hard to make a function call up what that data is, and if it is past a set value, the anti-spy blocking feature expires.

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True enough. It can already easily be removed prematurely by making them elder then demoting them back again. Simple, elegant, works on existing game structure, and doesn't limit existing game play. Almost everything that a perfect idea needs. All it is lacking is urgency because . . . it can be handled already in the vast majority of scenarios. It is a good idea and I see no reason it should not be added. I just don't see it as any sort of priority.

If this is a no-brainer fix, as what iceageg is suggesting as well, should it be added to the Petition suggestions for a new thread (data gathering) thread so it can be in the batch petition thread?

Now that the update is out and a brand new update phase is underway, it would be a good time to get this batch petition up and going, so support and magnitude of support, can be matched up and compared.

I do like this idea, but I'd rather Supercell work on different aspects of the game which would benefit everyone instead of the minority of people with this issue.

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Originally Posted by TheScavenger350

I do like this idea, but I'd rather Supercell work on different aspects of the game which would benefit everyone instead of the minority of people with this issue.

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Yea. Compare it to "no default troop when nexting" . . . it couldn't be a more obvious fix but it has been on the list for over a year, possibly because there are bigger fish to fry. This being simple and elegant could fall victim to the same. Maybe it should. Both seem like an easy win though.

My first real petition thread [Petition] No Default Troop Selected Upon Entering Battle is still active, but it won't be for long; as I put in a set period for the poll (used as a signiture list) to stay open before it closes for good. I wanted to keep the petition list relavent to a set time period, and not be some overgrown mutant that is several month or a year old, with people's names that may not be even on the forum anymore.

If someone can make an elegant description for this anti-spy feature, then I'll put it in the batch of other small and easy to put in ideas.