derby...how can something going so good be made to go so wrong?

What have you done to derby? Are we the only nh who thought it was fine? People in my nh are now struggling to find tasks cos all the ones we get are low points. We are a fairly new nh who have won every derby do far and had a good strategic plan going.
This new update is causing friction in the group...winding people up and frankly making people have feelings that they use hd to escape from in real life!
IMO it wasn't broken so why did you try to fix?
Also I know its in another thread but that jumping task board causes trashing mistakes...very frustrating!

Yes, It appears as though the 300+ point tasks are much more difficult to get. Maybe hd needs to have more variety of tasks with different points including some high scoring ones!

For our neighbourhood, the worst thing isn't the points, but the TIME given to finish some tasks (harvesting and animal tasks). There are busy people in our NH, and they only get to play in the evening after work, a little bit in the morning maybe. So their tasks have been expiring, whereas before they used to be happy because they contributed a lot of points. Now there are a lot of frustrated people.

PS: Fully serve 2 visitors in town, 50 points, TIME: Until Derby Ends!
Collect 75 milk, 240 points, TIME: 10 hours! (If you work, study, etc., there's no way you could finish this task!)

SC, please give us more time to complete tasks! The way it was before the update...

To all the people who complained that there was no stategy, just do all 300 point tasks - i hope you are happy

my beloved derby is no longer.

The timed tasks have to go. Cannot do when you have real life.

Totally agree with OP

I normally wouldn't post this, but we think I should.

This particular derby has been so onerous for our small NH, that this morning, with a sense of sadness mixed with relief, we're pulling out of this derby and taking our champion home to enjoy life on the farm.

Our NH has had so much fun in the previous derbies. We absolutely loved them.

The original set-up was so much fun, we couldn't wait, our champion was chomping at the bit, to get started in another derby run.

This one, if we would hope to win horseshoes and have a chance at the new decos or to do well, was set up with the point system so the tasks to focus on ended up being boat and fishing tasks.
Due to time constraints and these tasks, we were filling boats that we normally would have cast off, waking during the night to make more lures, and to fish while up ... there were no good crop or animal tasks to give us breaks to make lures, restock, rest, enjoy RL... That's harmful stress - not play or fun to us.

The bouncing task board, with the resultant negative health impacts, sealed this decision for us.

We don't think of ourselves as quitters, yet, when something causes stress or negatively impacts health, that's the time for us to pack it up.

With regret and relief, we're off to farm as we did before the derby, and to use derby time to enjoy the Spring and RL.
It is our hope that the derby will be tweaked well, so that it is fun to play, again. If so, "We'll be back!"

We wish everyone successful and fun derbies!
With love from our NH to you all!:caticon::heart::heart::heart:

100% agree Hating the new Derby format

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100% agree Hating the new Derby format

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It's sad, isn't it, Hon? You have such a great sense of humor and play. I ache that you don't like it, either.
Well, SC got it right before - I have hope they can do it again:thumbsup::caticon:

Hopefully sc will put it back then you can join the derby again!

For me...I get the change in points and tasks, makes it a bit of a challenge, which is good as we have easily won each week. I'd like to see the addition of more townie tasks with 30 or 40 visitors served so they can have a higher value. Same as with other tasks... It should be easy to create a wider variety of tasks.

The issue for me is the frequency of the higher point tasks. i trashed for two hours straight and not one single high value task over 300. That's an issue. For a full nh they need 150 high tasks a derby ... That's 25 high point tasks every 24 hrs.. Or 2 per hour or 1 per refresh. Average. And that's at a minimum! I understand not flooding the board with high point tasks but the current ratios are way off!

Hold your horses missy!
Where do ya think YOURE going?

Ok. Carry on. 😃

It was a slice while it lasted wasn't it?
we are going to drag our horse across the finish line at the end and just pick a few easy tasks next time even if they do have low points.

Maybe SC will fix it because I can't quite understand their reasoning with this one. Pretty sure the jumpy screen was not what they intended either.

Hope we you come back at the end of the Derby and pick up your 🎁

Happy Farming!

The solution is simple just make every different task able to get max 300 or 325 points but make the task harder so people have a choice if they want to do a boattask or a eggtask, there are no highpoints tasks anymore for town, harvesting and animals.

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I normally wouldn't post this, but we think I should.

This particular derby has been so onerous for our small NH, that this morning, with a sense of sadness mixed with relief, we're pulling out of this derby and taking our champion home to enjoy life on the farm.

Our NH has had so much fun in the previous derbies. We absolutely loved them.

The original set-up was so much fun, we couldn't wait, our champion was chomping at the bit, to get started in another derby run.

This one, if we would hope to win horseshoes and have a chance at the new decos or to do well, was set up with the point system so the tasks to focus on ended up being boat and fishing tasks.
Due to time constraints and these tasks, we were filling boats that we normally would have cast off, waking during the night to make more lures, and to fish while up ... there were no good crop or animal tasks to give us breaks to make lures, restock, rest, enjoy RL... That's harmful stress - not play or fun to us.

The bouncing task board, with the resultant negative health impacts, sealed this decision for us.

We don't think of ourselves as quitters, yet, when something causes stress or negatively impacts health, that's the time for us to pack it up.

With regret and relief, we're off to farm as we did before the derby, and to use derby time to enjoy the Spring and RL.
It is our hope that the derby will be tweaked well, so that it is fun to play, again. If so, "We'll be back!"

We wish everyone successful and fun derbies!
With love from our NH to you all!:caticon::heart::heart::heart:

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Our NH has reached the same conclusion. However, we'll try to finish this one. This will be our last derby, at least until the next update. To everyone who is still enjoying it, we hope you win the lovely new decorations! :o

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I normally wouldn't post this, but we think I should.

This particular derby has been so onerous for our small NH, that this morning, with a sense of sadness mixed with relief, we're pulling out of this derby and taking our champion home to enjoy life on the farm.

Our NH has had so much fun in the previous derbies. We absolutely loved them.

The original set-up was so much fun, we couldn't wait, our champion was chomping at the bit, to get started in another derby run.

This one, if we would hope to win horseshoes and have a chance at the new decos or to do well, was set up with the point system so the tasks to focus on ended up being boat and fishing tasks.
Due to time constraints and these tasks, we were filling boats that we normally would have cast off, waking during the night to make more lures, and to fish while up ... there were no good crop or animal tasks to give us breaks to make lures, restock, rest, enjoy RL... That's harmful stress - not play or fun to us.

The bouncing task board, with the resultant negative health impacts, sealed this decision for us.

We don't think of ourselves as quitters, yet, when something causes stress or negatively impacts health, that's the time for us to pack it up.

With regret and relief, we're off to farm as we did before the derby, and to use derby time to enjoy the Spring and RL.
It is our hope that the derby will be tweaked well, so that it is fun to play, again. If so, "We'll be back!"

We wish everyone successful and fun derbies!
With love from our NH to you all!:caticon::heart::heart::heart:

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KD -- this is TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE and TOTALLY FIXABLE (if SuperCell wishes).

In our NH we are also saddened by the lack of high or even reasonably-pointed harvest tasks without short time-limits for our folks who relied on those because their schedules allow only for infrequent game play while on brief breaks at work.

My husband is struggling with his 2nd fishing task in a row, because the harvest tasks he relied on cannot be finished in the time he has to farm.

We also agree that the Derby "fixes" have harmed the fun.

The bouncing task board CONTINUES to make me seasick, but as you eloquently posted in another thread, it is a real danger to more medically fragile folks.

SC HELP US!!!

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Hold your horses missy!
Where do ya think YOURE going?

Ok. Carry on. ��

It was a slice while it lasted wasn't it?
we are going to drag our horse across the finish line at the end and just pick a few easy tasks next time even if they do have low points.

Maybe SC will fix it because I can't quite understand their reasoning with this one. Pretty sure the jumpy screen was not what they intended either.

Hope we you come back at the end of the Derby and pick up your ��

Happy Farming!

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I love you, Sparkly!:caticon:

I'm not going far, and I'm cheering you on from the stands!
Yes, I had thought to try to do the same thing (I love the imagery of dragging your horse across the finish line.:D

I'm still here, with all my love, good wishes and delight in your goofy sense of humor:caticon:, and love for the amazing people here, SC and this wonderful game.

I've got Lassie on speed dial, and watch those flying shovels, dear heart!:caticon::heart::caticon:

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KD -- this is TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE and TOTALLY FIXABLE (if SuperCell wishes).

In our NH we are also saddened by the lack of high or even reasonably-pointed harvest tasks without short time-limits for our folks who relied on those because their schedules allow only for infrequent game play while on brief breaks at work.

My husband is struggling with his 2nd fishing task in a row, because the harvest tasks he relied on cannot be finished in the time he has to farm.

We also agree that the Derby "fixes" have harmed the fun.

The bouncing task board CONTINUES to make me seasick, but as you eloquently posted in another thread, it is a real danger to more medically fragile folks.

SC HELP US!!!

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Such a beautifully written post, and right on point, beloved Perky!:thumbsup:

Your husband's fishing struggle is stressful - not to be taken lightly or blown off (we understand from shared experience).

The nausea you're suffering, that I feel along with you, is harmful to your well-being.

It takes recovery time and energy to heal up from seasickness - not something that is good for you, your family members who need you; or for any similarly suffering players, to have to endure repeatedly this week.

Your shout-out to SC is clear - straight from the heart (and gut)!
Thank you, Perky!
You are a wonderful friend and advocate.

I love you so very much!:heart::heart::heart:

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Our NH has reached the same conclusion. However, we'll try to finish this one. This will be our last derby, at least until the next update. To everyone who is still enjoying it, we hope you win the lovely new decorations! :o

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Good luck, dear Spearhead!
I hope you have a chance at a beautiful new decoration at this derby's end!

I'm sad for you and your NH that this is your last derby, too, until a good fix. My heart and warmest wishes are with you all:heart:

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Thank you, Grfields, for your lovely good wishes! You're a gem!:heart:

Interesting that SC is pretty quiet about their reason for changing it. Unless I missed it somewhere.

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Good luck, dear Spearhead!
I hope you have a chance at a beautiful new decoration at this derby's end!

I'm sad for you and your NH that this is your last derby, too, until a good fix. My heart and warmest wishes are with you all:heart:

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Thank you, Grfields, for your lovely good wishes! You're a gem!:heart:

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If I do, I'll proudly display it on my farm, throw a big party and invite you to come :heart:
Hopefully, SC will fix these problems and our champions will all be back. In the meantime, they're going to take a well deserved rest :cool:

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Interesting that SC is pretty quiet about their reason for changing it. Unless I missed it somewhere.

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Maybe it's a social experiment (I love conspiracy theories!)

Couldn't agree with u more. It's ruined the buzz of the Derby in our hood. Constant trashing for repeatedly low points. Really needs to be more variety, hardly any around 260-300 points at all. Then it jumps to boats and fishing for 390/335?! It's difficult for lower level players to get any good tasks now too :thumbsdown:

SC please change it!

It is sad to hear so many great players/neighborhoods pulling out of the derby but completely understandable. Our neighborhood has been frustrated too and we had to lower our point expectations for this derby. The time limit on many tasks is also a big concern. One neighbor was upset because she just missed finishing her task by a few minutes. Upsetting because she did all the work but because the time expired was awarded no points.

Others are still on their first task of boat or fishing. We are still in first place but the derby just doesn't seem as much fun. It was fun cheering each other on as we posted that we finished all tasks.

I was under the impression the derby was added as a side game to HD and to bring about neighborhood togetherness. It has changed the game so much...a good change when it was introduced but the recent changes have brought too much stress to many.

SC, where is your response on this issue and the reasons for why the changes were made? Why so silent? I remember that the derby was made to be an even playing field so that all levels could compete fully. I am sorry but, imho, these recent changes to the tasks have made it much harder for lower levels to compete and finish tasks.

This is is still a game, right? Seems like it is becoming more of a chore...at least, from a leader's points of view, who doesn't want to let her neighbors down.

This derby for our neighbourhood has also been frustrating and no fun. Time is spent trashing tasks and players have finally given up on waiting for the exciting high point challenges as we are liable to simply run out of time whilst waiting. I would be intrigued to know why these changes have been implemented because its certainly not to make the game more fun :thumbsdown:

Yep, am thinking of quitting too, as I find is just too long to wait for tasty tasks, not got one I wanted yet this derby, compromised taking 3 others over 300 that I wasn't inclined to but did anyway... This time I am in real danger of not completing 5 in the time... yet I ordinarily do spend chunks of my time calling boats for diamonds, for gossakes. Something is pretty screwy if I am still off doing my own thing with the boats and not able to be getting any suitable derby task to rack decent points for it.

I, too, find it very frustrating. Never had such a stressfull and frustrating Hayday week as that.

We've been trashing tasks for days and days and can't provide the NH with decent tasks. Some folks can't do truck or boat orders, but there are no convenient harvest or animal tasks anymore. Even if I lower the limit to 260 points, the new time limits are a huge problem for people with a job in real life.

One member had a first task which run out of time, now everything is blocked and she can't get another one. :mad:

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For me...I get the change in points and tasks, makes it a bit of a challenge, which is good as we have easily won each week. I'd like to see the addition of more townie tasks with 30 or 40 visitors served so they can have a higher value. Same as with other tasks... It should be easy to create a wider variety of tasks.

The issue for me is the frequency of the higher point tasks. i trashed for two hours straight and not one single high value task over 300. That's an issue. For a full nh they need 150 high tasks a derby ... That's 25 high point tasks every 24 hrs.. Or 2 per hour or 1 per refresh. Average. And that's at a minimum! I understand not flooding the board with high point tasks but the current ratios are way off!

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Yes, the balance is way off for those nh decided on doing only tasks round 300 and above. Far too few appearing, no matter how often we rip the low point trash off the board.

We have also not been impressed with the recent task and visual design changes to the Derby.

In our opinion, the Derby Destruction was 100% self-inflicted by SuperCell tweaks, and is TOTALLY FIXABLE (if SuperCell wishes).

In our NH we are also saddened by the lack of high or even reasonably-pointed harvest tasks without short time-limits for our folks who relied on those because their schedules allow only for infrequent game play while on brief breaks at work.

My husband is struggling with his 2nd fishing task in a row, because the harvest tasks he relied on cannot be finished in the time he has to farm.

We also agree that the Derby "fixes" have harmed the fun.

The bouncing task board CONTINUES to make me seasick, but as eloquently posted in another thread, it is a real danger to more medically fragile folks.

SC HELP US!!!

Just had a board with 5 truck tasks, 3 boat tasks and 3 town tasks - impossible to do if you are either not at very high level or play all day 😁😁😁😁😁😁

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Why do we need a new thread for this when we already have so many?

As someone who loves the derby and always looked forward to the next one, I have to say the recent changes to the derby...sucks!

We're on the 4th day of the derby and the tasks board is pathetic. After ripping up tasks after tasks for days, it's the same low ones with some high fishing and boat tasks sprinkled in. We can only fish and boat so much. There is no variety anymore.

I'm looking at the other teams and everyone seems to be stagnant, whereas past derbies were filled with action. Teams were doing tasks after tasks, they were progressing. As of now, all the teams in my derby are at a standstill...hardly any movement. Why? Players are waiting for high points tasks (aside from fishing and boats) that aren't coming.

The derby is still one of my favorite aspect of the game but jeebus, what a horrible tweak.

Why fix something that wasn't broken??

My guess, and it's just a guess, is that this stems from SC's attempt to turn the 7-day derby into a 6-day derby, so people could jump NH's without losing prizes or missing a week.

Trying to quickly compress something that worked 97% beautifully into something else created a ripple effect of unforeseen, unplanned disasterous effects.

I loved the 7-day time- frame. I loved nearly everything about the original derby. That programming was probably tested and played for weeks into a beautiful little treasure of a game. Changing the parameters really threw off it's beautifully-crafted original design.

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Yes, the balance is way off for those nh decided on doing only tasks round 300 and above. Far too few appearing, no matter how often we rip the low point trash off the board.

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We have lots of players sitting around our cleared board waiting for decent point tasks! The boat task points DID need to be raised since it takes so much time & stock to complete. Fine for fishing too since cool down takes so long. The time limit is a serious issue however for a lot of the others. Give us more in the 250 to 350 range and ease up on those time limits for those of us that work and sleep! Our neighborhood loves the Derby when we are able to play.

I'm thinking of quitting because I find the whole thing to be too much like a high-school group assignment.
You have the people who work diligently, and the people who hardly show up, and yet at the end of the project we all get the same grade -_-!

I hated it in high-school and I hate it now.

AsYouWish, I'm sorry to hear that you have decided not to participate in the Derby any longer, but because of how it stresses you, I completely agree that this is the right decision for you. Anytime there is stress in one's life that can be eliminated, then it needs to be done, especially since that's not always possible.

Though I still enjoy participating in the Derby, like several of you, I am not a fan of the task board jumping to the bottom and then returning to show the tasks. We scroll through so much on the farms, I think we all know how we can scroll to the bottom of the task board to see what and how many tasks we have completed.

I took a boat task as my first one this Derby and it was brutal! I ended up having at least half of them be tough ones and/or ones I would have normally cast off. Boats #1, #3, and #5 asked for blackberry jam! Then I had a cheese and lemon curd jam in one boat, and then a butter boat! I kept having to ask my NH for help...which I don't usually do. Thankfully, my cubbymates had the ability to help me.

Thank you, AsYouWish, for speaking up for your NH and starting this thread. All of the farmers who have posted have expressed sadness that this feature of the game is no longer fun and has become downright stressful.

Our neighborhood derby discussion hasn't reached the point where we would consider not participating, but our Fearless Leader did the math to figure out a reasonable minimum 'point' point so that we don't have to always pick the max-point task. We have our five horseshoes for this derby and are currently in first place--with a very close competitor. Personally, if it weren't for the 'carrot' (new decorations as prizes) being dangled in front of me, I would be slacking off after I launch my tenth boat in a couple of hours.

The boat tasks have become particularly stressful, and at some middle-of-the-night moment when I was sending Tom off for something a boat needed, I realized that although I'm not spending diamonds for a sixth task, that would be cheaper than all the diamonds I'm spending hiring Tom in order to keep up with derby task boats and mining equipment.

I've looked this gift horse in the mouth and, for me, it's no fun anymore. Two tasks to go. Sigh.

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KD -- this is TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE and TOTALLY FIXABLE (if SuperCell wishes).

In our NH we are also saddened by the lack of high or even reasonably-pointed harvest tasks without short time-limits for our folks who relied on those because their schedules allow only for infrequent game play while on brief breaks at work.

My husband is struggling with his 2nd fishing task in a row, because the harvest tasks he relied on cannot be finished in the time he has to farm.

We also agree that the Derby "fixes" have harmed the fun.

The bouncing task board CONTINUES to make me seasick, but as you eloquently posted in another thread, it is a real danger to more medically fragile folks.

SC HELP US!!!

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so sorry you are retiring from the Derby As You Wish and I fully agree with Perky. Here it is Saturday morning and I have just started my third task. All we seem to do is delete tasks and the time constraints have become onerous. Everyone has other committments in their "real life".
The bouncing board is just totally unnecessary in my view.
i hope SC fixes these issues and you can return soon😀

Might I point out, because nobody seems to have mentioned this, but not only did the reduce the points value of the crop and mining tasks and reduce the amount of time to do other tasks, but they increased the number of points needed to reach each goal and win the column prizes.

I loathed the Derby before the update, I absolutely detest it now. That jumping board is the worst thing ever!

I fully support those Neighbourhoods who have decided to quit.

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Yes, the balance is way off for those nh decided on doing only tasks round 300 and above. Far too few appearing, no matter how often we rip the low point trash off the board.

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Exactly the same for us😠

i only did the mining tasks because they were the ones easily above 300 points, and fast too. only thing is you need lots of mining tools but thats ok i got tom to fetch and people love buying ores. i actually wanted to stop participating in the derby before the update but seeing how there are new decors, i intend to win them all before stopping. im only doing the derby for those decors, otherwise i really find the rat race to be pretty meaningless.

maybe the derby should have been made to be an event instead of a constant grind. they were really fun at first, but now seem monotonous. In rotation with boats, fishing, visitor, or truck events would break the monotony. then SC could reward awesome prizes instead of the 5 diamond rewards that are becoming monotonous as well. Just a thought.

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My guess, and it's just a guess, is that this stems from SC's attempt to turn the 7-day derby into a 6-day derby, so people could jump NH's without losing prizes or missing a week.

Trying to quickly compress something that worked 97% beautifully into something else created a ripple effect of unforeseen, unplanned disasterous effects.

I loved the 7-day time- frame. I loved nearly everything about the original derby. That programming was probably tested and played for weeks into a beautiful little treasure of a game. Changing the parameters really threw off it's beautifully-crafted original design.

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You might have hit the nail on the head. It's also possible that they heard those folks who thought the derby was too long because they had finished all their tasks by the second day. I always say, be careful what you wish for.

While I think everyone is entitled to their opinions, I think that sometimes people are too quick to complain about something new. It happens every time there is an update. For the months before, people are all clamoring for a new update. In the week before everyone is demanding it happen sooner. Then within hours of each update, before they can get used to the newness, people are complaining about the update content that they demanded just weeks earlier (and I am not talking about the technical glitches). When the company makes changes that some asked for, others complain about the changes almost immediately. No one seems to get that each change has repercussions down the road.

No I am not saying, that these changes are good. I am just saying that we should CALMLY give them detailed feedback and give them time to work through things. I wish I had a nickel for every new member who joined just to complain within hours of the update only to disappear before anyone has time to respond or before SC has time to tweak things. Keep in mind that many of the mods play this game. They see what we see and I imagine that they are probably busy in meetings trying to figure things out. When they know something, they will tell us. I do know one thing. Screaming and threatening is not going to get anyone heard. Threatening to quit isn't going to get anyone what they want. If someone quits, it's likely because they were looking for a reason to anyway. Feedback that just screams, FIX IT doesn't help. If you have detailed suggestions, who knows. Maybe in a few weeks, you can say. Hey, That was my idea!
I for one am going to wait and see. I think things will work out eventually. They always do.

as always, Tiggs, you are the calm voice of reason. 👍🏻😘

It is so sad to see that some one like you, as you wish, is finding the derby so stressful, your posts in the forums always calm me a little because you sound so zen. You were also one of the first people to answer one of my first posts with a really in depth response so from afar I have silently thanked you quite often.
I too have been finding this derby quite a slog, its disheartening that every 30 minutes we have just been clearing the board. Ive even got to the point of getting quite angry at another neighbour who did all their tasks in the first day because they kept picking the 50-70 point tasks and then happily announced that their 5 tasks were done while the rest of us are still waiting for what our nh has been classifying as decent tasks.
Weve always deleted tasks under 250 because we help anyone who needs it, but now weve had to drop that to leaving 200+ tasks and weve also had numerous tasks that have expired for some neighbours who cant play as often. We are still first and have reached the 5th horse shoe, but I have been feeling so "meh" this week because of the derby. I know I shouldn't be letting the derby get to me at all, but when something that was so fun becomes so not fun it makes me sad.
Even reading through most of the posts in the forums isnt fun at the moment because i dont think that this is a change that will just take us a few weeks to get used to as some have suggested, it has been too much of an adjustment in points and the ratio of low to high point tasks that become available.

My bits might be 2 might be more We can measure the value at the end.

Each variety of task should have High and Low point values....just as there is the option of doing 2 boats for very low points and 12 boats for very high points.

There should be options for harvesting that gives low and high points...if they don't want lots of wheat lets make wheat be the 100 point and under tasks same as soybeans and carrots and corn. Chili pepper popcorn and Chili peppers in the 100-200 range and pumpkins and so on higher worth 200-300 points and possibly tomatoes and strawberries worth 300+

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Give us options for growing EACH variety in varying amounts worth points in the under 100, 100-200, 200-300+ range.

Hayday was created on the premise of no direct goals and no one path to follow. yet now to win the derby people feel they must do boats mining or trucks or fishing. true they have the option of just not competing but they dont' have the option of competing their way. IF SC had only given those options the high point values on day one no one would have batted an eye. They didn't do that and now the reprecusion is we feel we've had our lollipop ripped from our mouths.

So bring back the higher point values for all aspects if you want to make them more difficult so be it but don't lower the values that were preestablished. as for the one day off I have no qualms against it as my NH is closed to the outside world and we aren't jumping ship.

I do feel the one day off can hurt other NHs that haven't closed their doors yet to admittance. I foresee bad apples jumping into the NH just before the week starts and then leaving after it starts there by causing that NH to be pitted against a much higher volume NH. (example 5 bad guys selling black magic decide to all join your NH on Sunday. they sit there until just after the derby starts then fill the NH chat with ads for love dolls and leave. Now your 10 person NH is fighting against 14 other NHs of 15 members each. Good luck).

Or if the glitch is still working sunday 20 people leave the NH so that their 22 person NH looks like a 2 person NH they then rejoin after the campaign starts and contribute their points to squash haystackers 2 person team.

In conclusion these holes if they are not already patched should be. and the points should be retallied so that it doesn't matter if you're a turbo boater or a turbo wheater the derby is still playable.

I think that might even be worth a dollar.....but I'm biased.

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My bits might be 2 might be more We can measure the value at the end.

Each variety of task should have High and Low point values....just as there is the option of doing 2 boats for very low points and 12 boats for very high points.

There should be options for harvesting that gives low and high points...if they don't want lots of wheat lets make wheat be the 100 point and under tasks same as soybeans and carrots and corn. Chili pepper popcorn and Chili peppers in the 100-200 range and pumpkins and so on higher worth 200-300 points and possibly tomatoes and strawberries worth 300+

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Give us options for growing EACH variety in varying amounts worth points in the under 100, 100-200, 200-300+ range.

Hayday was created on the premise of no direct goals and no one path to follow. yet now to win the derby people feel they must do boats mining or trucks or fishing. true they have the option of just not competing but they dont' have the option of competing their way. IF SC had only given those options the high point values on day one no one would have batted an eye. They didn't do that and now the reprecusion is we feel we've had our lollipop ripped from our mouths.

So bring back the higher point values for all aspects if you want to make them more difficult so be it but don't lower the values that were preestablished. as for the one day off I have no qualms against it as my NH is closed to the outside world and we aren't jumping ship.

I do feel the one day off can hurt other NHs that haven't closed their doors yet to admittance. I foresee bad apples jumping into the NH just before the week starts and then leaving after it starts there by causing that NH to be pitted against a much higher volume NH. (example 5 bad guys selling black magic decide to all join your NH on Sunday. they sit there until just after the derby starts then fill the NH chat with ads for love dolls and leave. Now your 10 person NH is fighting against 14 other NHs of 15 members each. Good luck).

Or if the glitch is still working sunday 20 people leave the NH so that their 22 person NH looks like a 2 person NH they then rejoin after the campaign starts and contribute their points to squash haystackers 2 person team.

In conclusion these holes if they are not already patched should be. and the points should be retallied so that it doesn't matter if you're a turbo boater or a turbo wheater the derby is still playable.

I think that might even be worth a dollar.....but I'm biased.

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Now that's more like it. I don't know if I agree with you or not, but your feedback was calm, reasoned and detailed. Not complete yet because there is still the issue of goal posts fairness, but a great start. Anyone else?

I think it was a mistake to lower the amount of points you get from some tasks. It is just hard for people to except that they do the same tasks and get less points. There have been many 250 point tasks on my board but I don't really want to take them because I'm used to getting more points. I think they should have just raised the points for all tasks some more some less. People would be happy with more points. And then raise the prize levels of course.

I think many of the people complaining win the derby anyway every time. It will make our lives easier to just accept lower point tasks and not keep on searching for those big ones only. Not possible to find them for everyone anymore. The "we only except 300+ point tasks in our neighborhood" kind of mentality might not be possible again. So don't fight the system, adjust your own playing style.

I do agree about the time limits. Many of the animal tasks are not really possible to do. And even if they are possible, they are stressful and that's not what HD is for me.

Some good points made in this thread!
I love how different perspectives always bring new wisdom.

It might even have been helpful if SC had published a list of the updated tasks with point values, time limits if any and the number of items, boats etc needed to complete the task.
So that NHs could see how low the point tasks are that they can trash and still hope to get all the horseshoes.

And for the super competitive NHs well they can do boat tasks all week long if they wish.

They could post a notification on the Derby Board or a link to Task List or something.
So for those who actually read the info that's already supplied in the 4th tab of the Derby Task Board....

Its like they gave us candy in the beginning and then without notice they just gave us nothing but celery sticks.
What? Have we been misbehaving?

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I normally wouldn't post this, but we think I should.

This particular derby has been so onerous for our small NH, that this morning, with a sense of sadness mixed with relief, we're pulling out of this derby and taking our champion home to enjoy life on the farm.

Our NH has had so much fun in the previous derbies. We absolutely loved them.

The original set-up was so much fun, we couldn't wait, our champion was chomping at the bit, to get started in another derby run.

This one, if we would hope to win horseshoes and have a chance at the new decos or to do well, was set up with the point system so the tasks to focus on ended up being boat and fishing tasks.
Due to time constraints and these tasks, we were filling boats that we normally would have cast off, waking during the night to make more lures, and to fish while up ... there were no good crop or animal tasks to give us breaks to make lures, restock, rest, enjoy RL... That's harmful stress - not play or fun to us.

The bouncing task board, with the resultant negative health impacts, sealed this decision for us.

We don't think of ourselves as quitters, yet, when something causes stress or negatively impacts health, that's the time for us to pack it up.

With regret and relief, we're off to farm as we did before the derby, and to use derby time to enjoy the Spring and RL.
It is our hope that the derby will be tweaked well, so that it is fun to play, again. If so, "We'll be back!"

We wish everyone successful and fun derbies!
With love from our NH to you all!:caticon::heart::heart::heart:

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this exactly matches our feeling. We were not having fun and the entire nature of the game changed. We were leading again after winning all our previous derbies, but by mutual unanimous agreement we disbanded our neighborhood and went back to peaceful quiet farming.

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this exactly matches our feeling. We were not having fun and the entire nature of the game changed. We were leading again after winning all our previous derbies, but by mutual unanimous agreement we disbanded our neighborhood and went back to peaceful quiet farming.

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Why did you disband the neighborhood? They existed before the derby and while I found them odd, many loved them and I love the one I am in right now. The derby still seems to work for most of us but I found out recently that one very active member has always hated the derby. I sent her a PM suggesting that she bring up the possibility that we as a whole, skip the derby every so often. And while she was pleased that I thought of her and wanted to make her comfortable she stated that her love for our little group was such, that she would "put on her big girl panties and do what the group wanted. That is so cool! Certainly you folks could have your fellowship and friendship without doing what is essentially a mini game within a great game.

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Why did you disband the neighborhood? They existed before the derby and while I found them odd, many loved them and I love the one I am in right now. The derby still seems to work for most of us but I found out recently that one very active member has always hated the derby. I sent her a PM suggesting that she bring up the possibility that we as a whole, skip the derby every so often. And while she was pleased that I thought of her and wanted to make her comfortable she stated that her love for our little group was such, that she would "put on her big girl panties and do what the group wanted. That is so cool! Certainly you folks could have your fellowship and friendship without doing what is essentially a mini game within a great game.

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I wonder if week on, week off, might work for some NHs?

The update is terrible.

At least for this higher level player I can't get a task for nothing. Highest so far is 314 and I just got that one. I sit and wait all day and night for a decent task, end up taking one for 300 or less and complete that task in minutes. So then I sit for another day and night looking for another good task, only to end up taking another lower pt task.

Low levels in my NH are taking high point tasks that they need help from the NH to complete, while I sit around doing nothing. They have few options as some tasks they can't yet do and the crop tasks no longer are worth any pts and all are now timed.

Never found 1 task yesterday, came on this morning and my choice was 302 truck task(already did 1 of those), 314 mining task(already did 1 of those for less pts), and a less then 314(don't remember exactly) fishing task. For some that might be great, but as I said already did a mining task, already did a truck task and both I can complete in minutes. I'm not wasting lures on such a low pt fishing task.

Highest boat task I found available was 300 for 9 boats. Prior to this derby I did 2 boat tasks each derby, each were 12 boats for 320. I can't get better then 9 boats in this derby and that was just 1 boat task, never saw another one available for even that. I didn't find 1 crop or animal task over 300, I always do 1 long growing crop and 1 goat milk task a derby.

It's frustrating and I loved the derby before, but not any more, to much work to find a task and then you have to settle for tasks that you complete in a short time for far lower pts and your back to sitting around and waiting. I don't want to do another mining or truck task, yet that is all I have been able to find and the pts for them are low.

30 trucks for 302 pts, is that low to anyone else? You blow through a lot of products doing 30 trucks and for this player I do few trucks because they are not worth it. Yet now with the changes in the derby, that is one of the few choices over 300 I can find, but I'm not doing more then 1 of those as 302 for all that product is not worth it.

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The update is terrible.

At least for this higher level player I can't get a task for nothing. Highest so far is 314 and I just got that one. I sit and wait all day and night for a decent task, end up taking one for 300 or less and complete that task in minutes. So then I sit for another day and night looking for another good task, only to end up taking another lower pt task.

Low levels in my NH are taking high point tasks that they need help from the NH to complete, while I sit around doing nothing. They have few options as some tasks they can't yet do and the crop tasks no longer are worth any pts and all are now timed.

Never found 1 task yesterday, came on this morning and my choice was 302 truck task(already did 1 of those), 314 mining task(already did 1 of those for less pts), and a less then 314(don't remember exactly) fishing task. For some that might be great, but as I said already did a mining task, already did a truck task and both I can complete in minutes. I'm not wasting lures on such a low pt fishing task.

Highest boat task I found available was 300 for 9 boats. Prior to this derby I did 2 boat tasks each derby, each were 12 boats for 320. I can't get better then 9 boats in this derby and that was just 1 boat task, never saw another one available for even that. I didn't find 1 crop or animal task over 300, I always do 1 long growing crop and 1 goat milk task a derby.

It's frustrating and I loved the derby before, but not any more, to much work to find a task and then you have to settle for tasks that you complete in a short time for far lower pts and your back to sitting around and waiting. I don't want to do another mining or truck task, yet that is all I have been able to find and the pts for them are low.

30 trucks for 302 pts, is that low to anyone else? You blow through a lot of products doing 30 trucks and for this player I do few trucks because they are not worth it. Yet now with the changes in the derby, that is one of the few choices over 300 I can find, but I'm not doing more then 1 of those as 302 for all that product is not worth it.

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I feel your pain, I only finished derby today, by taking mostly tasks other than the ones I wanted... A flood of bad low points tasks. Where are the nice fat boats? My Nh is competitive higher level players, who all want the same few tasks and there is just not enough to go around. All Nh can rip down tasks, so where would the problem be in the big points ones coming up a little more frequently? Anh Nh that didn't want those could just trash them, same as we trash the small tasks.

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I wonder if week on, week off, might work for some NHs?

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Have to laugh, because we tried week on, week off for the second derby, and so many neighbors participated anyway that we still won gold. We had a lot of fun then, lol.

In Derby 4, we decided to just let the derby be, and we in nh would play as we wished, or not. It is better this way for us.

There is a lot of sorrow expresssed in this thread, and calls for help from SC. Nick has said the bouncing board will be fixed on the next update. Glad to hear this! We also need the tasks revamped, with more options for our players. We need higher point harvesting tasks. We need reasonable time periods on tasks so that our players who have a life can still complete them.

Members of the leadership team are having to monitor the task board constantly, and we end up trashing so many tasks, especially in the first four days of a derby, in an effort to give our nhood players some decent task selection. It is not a lot of fun to have to do this :eek: It would be nicer if we could set up a filter so the tasks that come up are acceptable ones only.

We are looking forward to SC fixes, and in the meantime we are playing on!
Best, Barb

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Have to laugh, because we tried week on, week off for the second derby, and so many neighbors participated anyway that we still won gold. We had a lot of fun then, lol.

In Derby 4, we decided to just let the derby be, and we in nh would play as we wished, or not. It is better this way for us.

There is a lot of sorrow expresssed in this thread, and calls for help from SC. Nick has said the bouncing board will be fixed on the next update. Glad to hear this! We also need the tasks revamped, with more options for our players. We need higher point harvesting tasks. We need reasonable time periods on tasks so that our players who have a life can still complete them.

Members of the leadership team are having to monitor the task board constantly, and we end up trashing so many tasks, especially in the first four days of a derby, in an effort to give our nhood players some decent task selection. It is not a lot of fun to have to do this :eek: It would be nicer if we could set up a filter so the tasks that come up are acceptable ones only.

We are looking forward to SC fixes, and in the meantime we are playing on!
Best, Barb

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Wouldn't it be great if supercell could be the makers of a game that rewarded people who played all the time but didn't penalize those players who are fortunate enough to have a real life. They'd be unique, that's for sure. I know those of us who have no life surely do not begrudge those of you who do.

We pity you, but we don't begrudge you. (Teasing!!!)

Tigg

Our NH is very small (4) and one player simply does not want anything to do with the derby. So we play around him and have won all but 1 derby (came in2nd). All good, except we can never reach that last horseshoe, and I so want some of those new decorations. **Big Sigh**. Today, one other member has said she is skipping next week, so we are now down to two. **REALLY Big Sigh**. I see the decorations slipping by me like the gramophone did. I really, really hope that SC will implement that Opt In button on the next update. I feel this would give many of the NH the relief we need to enjoy this wonderful game again.

On a separate note, anyone seen a Mod lately. Do we even have one anymore!

I can't tell you all how delightful it was to have no qualms about sending away a boat wanting 16 buttered popcorn, 16 honey popcorn and some lettuce. I had forgotten what it was like to just send a boat away! I had been in boat-task panic mode for days.

Then there is the global truck event. I suspect that many farmers would like their trucks to do double duty as a derby task and contributions to the global total. However, decent truck tasks are thin on the ground. I suppose another way of looking at the global event is that it gives the farmers who have finished all their derby tasks (the ones who haven't been stuck waiting for a good task:p) something to keep the adrenaline going until the next derby starts.

I believe that the derby can never be a truly level playing field because there will always be players who have tons of time to farm and others whose RL responsibilities leave them limited farming time. The (successful) global events seem to hit a happy medium: everyone 'wins'...more/fewer individual prizes depending upon participation, but everyone gets the global prize if they reach the minimum participation level. Adding the special 'limited time' (SC's language) decorations into the derby kicks things into another level of stress for those NH members who have limited farming time.

I would very much like to see...

• An "opt in" choice for each derby (possibly with the prizes only going to those NH members who "opt in" to prevent cries of "No fair! People are helping from the sidelines!") Personally, I'm fine with all my neighbors getting prizes whether they opted in, or not.
• No time limits on tasks. What do the time limits accomplish?? We're all farming as fast as we can!
• If decorations are going to be offered in the horseshoe columns, rare is fine; but let them occur below the 5th column so everyone gets a shot at them including the small NHs who never get to the fifth horseshoe--or just send the decos to the WoF.

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I feel your pain, I only finished derby today, by taking mostly tasks other than the ones I wanted... A flood of bad low points tasks. Where are the nice fat boats? My Nh is competitive higher level players, who all want the same few tasks and there is just not enough to go around. All Nh can rip down tasks, so where would the problem be in the big points ones coming up a little more frequently? Anh Nh that didn't want those could just trash them, same as we trash the small tasks.

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That's a good point if they were more frequent that would help in my NH. I want those fat boats, I have no clue why anyone complains about the boats, at least you can flag crates, takes less products to do a nice 12 boat task then a 30 truck order and the pt difference is huge.

30 trucks for 302, not worth it at all.

All I have had available when I am on is tasks between 280-314, all are fishing, mining and trucks. You run through your lures, mining tools and products fast doing only these tasks. Unless I start heavy duty farming between now and the next derby, I won't even be able to get these tasks.

I didn't keep track but I know many in my NH did do the higher 2 boat tasks, some did more then 1, but many of us couldn't get even 1. Never saw crop or animal tasks on the board at all and with them adding the time limits, well not sure those would be ones I could always do. Prior I always did a long growing crop(no time limit, high points)and a goat milk one. Didn't see either this time.

The fun was taken out of the derby with this update, now it's just a lot of work for less points and time consuming waiting on even a decent task to come up.

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That's a good point if they were more frequent that would help in my NH. I want those fat boats, I have no clue why anyone complains about the boats, at least you can flag crates, takes less products to do a nice 12 boat task then a 30 truck order and the pt difference is huge.

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I don't like the boat tasks. The reason is they take too long. I like quick tasks, so I can grab another one if a good one appears. (For example, if a truck event starts, I can do a truck task and kill two birds with one stone.)

I hadn't realized there were such big changes in the derby. I did notice that it was harder to find high point tasks, but not that much harder. Perhaps because my neighborhood is not as active as many.

My favorite tasks are the mining tasks and fishing tasks, because they are relatively quick and high-point. Worm lures are the best for fishing tasks, and I always have a huge stash of those, so "wasting" lures is not a concern for me.

I never did any harvest or animal tasks, because I never saw any high-point ones. Even before the update.

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• If decorations are going to be offered in the horseshoe columns, rare is fine; but let them occur below the 5th column so everyone gets a shot at them including the small NHs who never get to the fifth horseshoe--or just send the decos to the WoF.

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They do. I have one in the third column right now.

it would be awesome if they changed the derby back to the way it was prior to the update. it was enjoyable and fun then, now it feels more like a chore.

my theory on why it was changed, supercell/softbank wants you to be in game as much as possible. the more time you spend in game, the more money they're making. #moneygrab

anyone else notice that the serve 18 townies for 283 points task only seems to show up in the first couple days? interesting.

i would love an opt-in/opt-out option. clash of clans has one for clan wars.....

so glad i'm not the only one disheartened by the recent changes to the derby!

please fix SC!

add opt-in/opt-out button like coc has for clan wars!

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my theory on why it was changed, supercell/softbank wants you to be in game as much as possible. the more time you spend in game, the more money they're making. #moneygrab

anyone else notice that the serve 18 townies for 283 points task only seems to show up in the first couple days? interesting..

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Except if people aren't having fun, they are not as likely to be playing as much OR spending money.

I didnt notice the townie tasks but have noticed that crop tasks seem pretty scarce on my board now. I'm done my tasks but keep trashing looking to see high tasks. And seeing very few crop tasks OR animal tasks now. Even low ones.

We too are getting very few high point tasks now. Its a waiting game! Trashing the board hoping for higher points its certainly getting our nh working together but it was much better before! I would like sc to explain why they made changes to the derby. There must be a reason and they really haven't made it better.
Just take the changes away! Or re think them! I m trying to think of suggestions but I just liked it the way it was!

I like the derby I m not threatening to stop doing it because my nhood don't stop but sc there are some very good ideas here! I know you listen and take note so please listen to us now! Thanks!

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They do. I have one in the third column right now.

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Thank you for sharing that. We are a small NH and never get to the 5th horseshoe and I so badly want some of those new dec. So far we have 3 and no new stuff. Hopefully on 4 or will have to wait with heavy heart for the next derby. ***Sigh.

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They do. I have one in the third column right now.

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Thanks, Janilee! That's good news for all of us. I have none in any of the five columns this derby, so I wasn't sure where they would show up! I can wait. :cool:

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Thank you for sharing that. We are a small NH and never get to the 5th horseshoe and I so badly want some of those new dec. So far we have 3 and no new stuff. Hopefully on 4 or will have to wait with heavy heart for the next derby. ***Sigh.

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Apparently, Nick said in another thread that the new decorations may appear in the third, fourth, or fifth columns.

They are rare, and random. I have one in my third column now, but my neighbors do not. Everyone gets different prizes, and which ones you get are random. Even within a neighborhood.

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We too are getting very few high point tasks now. Its a waiting game! Trashing the board hoping for higher points its certainly getting our nh working together but it was much better before! I would like sc to explain why they made changes to the derby. There must be a reason and they really haven't made it better.
Just take the changes away! Or re think them! I m trying to think of suggestions but I just liked it the way it was!

I like the derby I m not threatening to stop doing it because my nhood don't stop but sc there are some very good ideas here! I know you listen and take note so please listen to us now! Thanks!

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They made the changes because people asked them to. They made the derby shorter because people said they were done in two days and bored. They made it shorter because people wanted a break between derbies. The made the point changes because people complained that some were un even. It wasn't fair that you got a lot of points for wheat and less for something else, etc. Plus they made them worth less to accommodate the shorter time period. If you read the forum a lot, you see these complaints. You also see complaints that, they never listen. Well they listened! Some of us just don't like what they did.

Be careful what you ask for. There are a lot of people, (not necessarily on this thread) that ask for a lot of stuff to be made easier. Some even ask for it to be harder. How does that saying go? You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time. That is so very true, especially here.

Tigg

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They made the changes because people asked them to. They made the derby shorter because people said they were done in two days and bored. They made it shorter because people wanted a break between derbies. The made the point changes because people complained that some were un even. It wasn't fair that you got a lot of points for wheat and less for something else, etc. Plus they made them worth less to accommodate the shorter time period. If you read the forum a lot, you see these complaints. You also see complaints that, they never listen. Well they listened! Some of us just don't like what they did.

Be careful what you ask for. There are a lot of people, (not necessarily on this thread) that ask for a lot of stuff to be made easier. Some even ask for it to be harder. How does that saying go? You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time. That is so very true, especially here.

Tigg

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Wise, and unfortunately, very true. The only thing that's a given is somebody is not going to like it.

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Wise, and unfortunately, very true. The only thing that's a given is somebody is not going to like it.

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Also wise and unfortunately very true.

. Yes tigg i used to read the forum a lot but I got fed up of the complaints! So I guess I haven't read all the complaints about the derby. If people didnt like it , it seems reasonable that they try to change it cos I know they listen, I also believe they care about this game and our opinions and everyone gets things wrong sometimes!
So my question was why? Well now I have the answer. Maybe sometimes sc should listen to the posts that say hey I love this and not the ones that are always full of complaint. Because my nhood did truely love this derby and eventually we will adapt our tactics and get used to playing with the changes because we are not stopping playing!

My goodness, all these amazing posts from beautiful kindred spirits!:heart::heart::heart:

My heart and thoughts are with each one of you!:caticon:

Ffwife, you are such a lovely, bright, caring and compassionate leader. In spite of the hobbles placed on you as leader, and your NH's derby horse from the new tweaks, I can't imagine you letting anyone down. I hope this next update transforms the derby, so it's no longer a chore, and goes back to being great fun for you, and your NH. It is such a joy to see that you are a "Servant-Leader" - the highest ideal for leadership style. I deeply admire and respect you for this. Too few people choose this loving, compassionate and mature form of leadership. :heart:

Pickle, your frustration and distress makes me ache with you, and your NH, and your question for SC is a very good one. I don't think they intended the derby to lose it's fun, as they tried to address complaints from others. It was a beautifully run game, wasn't it?

Dear treasured Tomville, I've resonated completely with your posts, here and in other threads. You have my heart-felt agreement, and I treasure your wisdom, clear-thinking and wonderful sense of humor.

Dear Greebie, I have read all your posts with great interest in what you have to say, and I feel bad that you, too, have been stressed by the derby's new format. Your experience is very valuable for SC to know.

Dear Trisme, ouch! I remember those awful high-school assignments!:p
I wonder if you can start your own very small NH, with one or two like-minded people. That might be more fun than the one you are in, and you won't feel like you're being used? Just a thought... Good luck, Hon!

Beloved KnitGal, yes - the boats! Ouch! Those were terrible boats you got! That was what killed me - I was the one in our NH best suited for doing boats, but filling boats that I would normally cast off, even with NH help, became too much. Consecutive boats showed up asking for high multiples of the same product, or repeated crates for long-production items, or too much fruit,... finally NH members and hiring Tom couldn't help me fill them.
Your description about the boat task being brutal is no exaggeration. It is! How much fun is that?

If you have a little something in your RSS, I'll buy it to let you know when I've put something out in my RSS that I hope you can use. I'm starting to have crazy good fun selling in my RSS again, instead of tossing all my efforts into boats and trucks. Hopefully, it'll liven up at least a few issues of the DD:) Advertised for the public (to help strangers with their tasks - I have a lot of fun putting out useful stuff that is needed), and unadvertised premiums at discount, for friends.:heart:

... To be continued... (still fatigued from the boats...) Love you all so much!!! :caticon::heart:

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I'm thinking of quitting because I find the whole thing to be too much like a high-school group assignment.
You have the people who work diligently, and the people who hardly show up, and yet at the end of the project we all get the same grade -_-!

I hated it in high-school and I hate it now.

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Wow, that is the perfect metaphor for this situation!

If anybody at SC is listening, here are some things that I think would improve the "derby":

No time limit on tasks.

Additional types of tasks (such as filling boat crates, helping bushes, selling to walk-up customers, or feeding your pets, for example).

An additional prize for individual players who meet certain milestones (for example, if you achieve 1000 derby points, you would get a voucher).

~powdermonkey

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Wow, that is the perfect metaphor for this situation!

If anybody at SC is listening, here are some things that I think would improve the "derby":

No time limit on tasks.

Additional types of tasks (such as filling boat crates, helping bushes, selling to walk-up customers, or feeding your pets, for example).

An additional prize for individual players who meet certain milestones (for example, if you achieve 1000 derby points, you would get a voucher).

~powdermonkey

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i totally agree with no time limit on tasks. This really does punish the player that has real life responsibilities. Also like some of your additional tasks. Hope they will consider adding some new ones.

The third suggestion already exists. I have received diamonds from completing so many tasks or was it points. Can't remember, but it's there. Yay SC!

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Wow, that is the perfect metaphor for this situation!

If anybody at SC is listening, here are some things that I think would improve the "derby":

No time limit on tasks.

Additional types of tasks (such as filling boat crates, helping bushes, selling to walk-up customers, or feeding your pets, for example).

An additional prize for individual players who meet certain milestones (for example, if you achieve 1000 derby points, you would get a voucher).

~powdermonkey

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Brilliant ideas. They would boost feelings of teamwork and camaraderie. And more variety in tasks would keep the derby stimulating. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by grfields

. Yes tigg i used to read the forum a lot but I got fed up of the complaints! So I guess I haven't read all the complaints about the derby. If people didnt like it , it seems reasonable that they try to change it cos I know they listen, I also believe they care about this game and our opinions and everyone gets things wrong sometimes!
So my question was why? Well now I have the answer. Maybe sometimes sc should listen to the posts that say hey I love this and not the ones that are always full of complaint. Because my nhood did truely love this derby and eventually we will adapt our tactics and get used to playing with the changes because we are not stopping playing!

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I imagine they listen to the complainers because they are louder and seemingly the majority. It's not always easy saying you like something here . You get the reputation of being ALWAYS pro SC. You get called a fan boy and other such names. People hesitate to befriend you because they think you are blind to everything, and won't understand when they complain. On the contrary, the folks who don't always complain, are actually most likely to be critical because they know what supercell is capable of. We just have developed more patience with age, I guess.

I always welcome debate and productive feedback. But that's too hard for some. It's easier to say something is broke but harder to try to help fix it.
Ps. I don't read as often as I used to for the same reason as you. I like a more upbeat atmosphere.

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Originally Posted by Tiggerr129

I imagine they listen to the complainers because they are louder and seemingly the majority. It's not always easy saying you like something here . You get the reputation of being ALWAYS pro SC. You get called a fan boy and other such names. People hesitate to befriend you because they think you are blind to everything, and won't understand when they complain. On the contrary, the folks who don't always complain, are actually most likely to be critical because they know what supercell is capable of. We just have developed more patience with age, I guess.

I always welcome debate and productive feedback. But that's too hard for some. It's easier to say something is broke but harder to try to help fix it.
Ps. I don't read as often as I used to for the same reason as you. I like a more upbeat atmosphere.

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I totally agree.

powdermonkey, brilliant suggestion you make, on having no time limit on tasks! Thinking about it, i am not sure why SC have imposed any time limit other than end of derby. We are managing our own time in many aspects of the game, especially on derby, and it really should be up to players here.

best, Barb

Ps. I don't read as often as I used to for the same reason as you. I like a more upbeat atmosphere.[/QUOTE]


i think that is the feeling many of the long time players have. There seems to be so many that have disappeared from the forum. I miss many of their very upbeat messages.

Happy Day! :cool:

And here I thought I was the only one getting crappy task boards. I too have spent days on end trying to get a task worth more than 67 points. I was so fed up by day three I was seriously thinking of taking a long, long break from the game. Out of the six tasks I did 3 were boat and 1 was truck which means my inventory is now seriously w♥♥♥♥ed. I HATE the "new" derby.

And, if the jumping freaking screen doesn't get fixed SOON I'm definitely done. I cannot even see the top row of tasks now. If I scroll the top row onto the screen it immediately scrolls rapidly to the worthless WORTHLESS task log the second i take my finger away, and it stays there. Seriously, SC, do you not test your code before dumping it on your customers?

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Originally Posted by Tiggerr129

They made the changes because people asked them to. They made the derby shorter because people said they were done in two days and bored. They made it shorter because people wanted a break between derbies. The made the point changes because people complained that some were un even. It wasn't fair that you got a lot of points for wheat and less for something else, etc. Plus they made them worth less to accommodate the shorter time period. If you read the forum a lot, you see these complaints. You also see complaints that, they never listen. Well they listened! Some of us just don't like what they did.

Be careful what you ask for. There are a lot of people, (not necessarily on this thread) that ask for a lot of stuff to be made easier. Some even ask for it to be harder. How does that saying go? You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time. That is so very true, especially here.

Tigg

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Lots did post that the derby was fine the way it was in those threads of complaints and said no break was needed. When they made the point changes, they fixed some only, and some of the ones they fixed are now un even and some they didn't fix that were un even. Not sure why they would need to make them worth less to accommodate the shorter time period, shorter time period has nothing to do with the pts.

I don't think they read the posts well before listening to some of the complainers, as I said many posted that it was fine the way it was. As for the other fixes, they did't fix them correctly, they made it worse. Just cause some complain, SC really needs to do a tad more research and make sure the majority is complaining and not fix for the few that complain every time we have an update.

It's not just the complainers who complain about everything, it's the majority complaining this time, the update stinks, it has wrecked the derby and it's wrecking the game on a whole. Only way to change it is to post for SC to see and that means complaining.

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Originally Posted by charliedagg

Lots did post that the derby was fine the way it was in those threads of complaints and said no break was needed. When they made the point changes, they fixed some only, and some of the ones they fixed are now un even and some they didn't fix that were un even. Not sure why they would need to make them worth less to accommodate the shorter time period, shorter time period has nothing to do with the pts.

I don't think they read the posts well before listening to some of the complainers, as I said many posted that it was fine the way it was. As for the other fixes, they did't fix them correctly, they made it worse. Just cause some complain, SC really needs to do a tad more research and make sure the majority is complaining and not fix for the few that complain every time we have an update.

It's not just the complainers who complain about everything, it's the majority complaining this time, the update stinks, it has wrecked the derby and it's wrecking the game on a whole. Only way to change it is to post for SC to see and that means complaining.

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The majority of the POSTERS you mean. Certainly not a majority of the players, but that's a number that's hard to quantify. You are contradicting yourself.. Which group of complainers should they listen to? And how do they know which are the ones that are right? The ones who liked it then but hate it now. Or the ones that hated it then and like it now. They will never be able to please everyone and people who are upset are prone to hyperbole. Not too long ago there were many, myself included, who thought the neighborhoods had, how did you put it, wrecked the game. And the town wrecked the game, and the change in number of boats you could flag wrecked the game. And the change in advertising wrecked the game , and the global events wrecked the paper and wrecked the game. And believe it or not. Long time ago it was trading that was wrecking the game. Every change introduced at one time or another wrecked the game for lots of people. And they left, sometimes loudly, sometimes quietly. But supercell always listens. Sometimes the answer is no. It is easy to post here and complain but I saw not one specific suggestion in your post. You said the only way to change things is to complain. Well that's what happened. Just this time the change upset you. Some people like parts of it. Some they don't like.

The better way to change things is to be specific. I like the break. I think six days is fine. I would rather do a smaller boat task than a larger one. I would rather there were no time limits. I would like a variety of crop tasks and animal tasks. I would like tasks we haven't seen yet, like make x number of cookies or other production tasks. I'd like the cool down time to be less and the tasks be more varied. I'd like the goal posts to be achievable for smaller neighborhoods. Those are specifics. "The update stinks" isn't.

And I want the smaller tasks to remain and I'll explain why. Our NH has always won and right now we are up against another NH that won last time. It's getting down to the wire. The boat tasks take a long time and it's possible that we willl need a short burst right at the end. Just how helpful are all those high point tasks then? Hmmmm. A 304 point fishing task won't help but a 100 point crop task might. Or a 10 townie task. Sometimes a person can only play for a little while. And the high point tasks mostly take a while. Just because some of you don't like them doesn't mean others don't. We have a bunch of over 250 point tasks up on our board right now. I'll be asleep when the derby ends but other members won't be. We generally don't pay for that 6th task, but it would be really tempting if we were just 100 points behind in the closing hour and I won't say that if I woke up and saw that, that I wouldn't be tempted. That's exciting.

So everyone, try to reign in the hyperbole and think of specifics. Maybe , just maybe, staff will see an idea they haven't thought of and you can say, "Hey that was my idea."

Now I have to go sell some tomatoes to my NH. That's my job. That and lettuce, so I'm off for a while. Try to be kind. I have feelings too.

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Originally Posted by Tiggerr129

The better way to change things is to be specific. I like the break. I think six days is fine. I would rather do a smaller boat task than a larger one. I would rather there were no time limits. I would like a variety of crop tasks and animal tasks. I would like tasks we haven't seen yet, like make x number of cookies or other production tasks. I'd like the cool down time to be less and the tasks be more varied. I'd like the goal posts to be achievable for smaller neighborhoods. Those are specifics. "The update stinks" isn't.

And I want the smaller tasks to remain and I'll explain why. Our NH has always won and right now we are up against another NH that won last time. It's getting down to the wire. The boat tasks take a long time and it's possible that we willl need a short burst right at the end. Just how helpful are all those high point tasks then? Hmmmm. A 304 point fishing task won't help but a 100 point crop task might. Or a 10 townie task. Sometimes a person can only play for a little while. And the high point tasks mostly take a while. Just because some of you don't like them doesn't mean others don't. We have a bunch of over 250 point tasks up on our board right now. I'll be asleep when the derby ends but other members won't be. We generally don't pay for that 6th task, but it would be really tempting if we were just 100 points behind in the closing hour and I won't say that if I woke up and saw that, that I wouldn't be tempted. That's exciting.

So everyone, try to reign in the hyperbole and think of specifics. Maybe , just maybe, staff will see an idea they haven't thought of and you can say, "Hey that was my idea."

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Tiggerr makes some great points! I, too, like the derby being only 6 days now. As for the tasks, I think Tiggerr is right when she mentioned having tasks we haven't seen yet. More variety in tasks would be very welcome. Also, I don't mind the lower point tasks, especially when we are in the final hours of the derby. Those low points can add up. During the last day of the derby I trash all tasks, even the high ones, that cannot be finished in time. That way neighbors have a better opportunity to finish tasks.

However, that being said, with this new update the higher point tasks are even harder to find and neighbors are struggling till about day 3 or 4 to get high point ones. Most in our neighborhood can trash tasks so it is not a matter of no one being on to clear the board when needed. It is hard when the ratio of low points to high points is so off. We can clear the board 6+ times and only see one or two high point tasks. That ratio needs to be tweaked just a bit so there will be less frustration in neighborhoods. Frustration will only drive people away from playing a game, as many use this (and other games) as a break from the frustrations of real life.

I have a lot of great neighbors, who I have gotten to know, and I would hate to see them quit playing because the game ceases to not be fun anymore.

IMO tasks having a time limit is reasonable. Adds some challenge to it. Besides, tasks that require a lot of time usually have the "until the end of the derby limit" Its like asking for boat orders to not have a time limit, keep in mind that both things are optional, as is what task you take.

As far as i know, getting the 5th horseshoe is possible for NHs with as little as 3 or more ppl in them without using diamonds. If youre not interested in being in the top 3 you can always work toward the 5th horseshoe and think of it as a race by yourself. Didnt get all 5 this week? pursue to get them the next one. After all, Hay Day is all about playing styles.

Just would like to add some more suggestions to improve derby:

1. always thought it was weird that it was called a harvesting task, animal task, fishing task etc, but only for 1 kind of thing at a time. (By that logic it should be egg task, wheat task, bacon task, etc). Why not add tasks that require us to harvest more types of crops, or collect from different types of animals within the same task? just like truck orders

2. Show ducks, lobsters and bees some love by adding tasks about them as well. They feel left out XD. Fishing via nets could also possibly become a different task.

3. Maybe have the town tasks be something like serve X number of townies at certain building. (Would make the personal train have more of an impact in the game)

4. For the love of god, fix the task board bouncing up and down please :D

The derby is awesome, has a lot of potential for a great fun addition to an already great game, hope some of our ideas will be taken into account. :D

I like the day off, too. Just because it gives people a chance to switch neighborhoods without having to sit out the derby for a week.

I don't like the low-point tasks. I can't see those making a difference. (Not to mention the time limits most of them come with.) Currently in my derby the first place NH is more than 10,000 points ahead of the second place NH. A few 67 point tasks won't change that.

Hard to tell since there's so much variation week to week, but to me it looks like many people have given up in the derby this week.

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Originally Posted by Charlymagno

IMO tasks having a time limit is reasonable. Adds some challenge to it. Besides, tasks that require a lot of time usually have the "until the end of the derby limit" Its like asking for boat orders to not have a time limit, keep in mind that both things are optional, as is what task you take.

As far as i know, getting the 5th horseshoe is possible for NHs with as little as 3 or more ppl in them without using diamonds. If youre not interested in being in the top 3 you can always work toward the 5th horseshoe and think of it as a race by yourself. Didnt get all 5 this week? pursue to get them the next one. After all, Hay Day is all about playing styles.

Just would like to add some more suggestions to improve derby:

1. always thought it was weird that it was called a harvesting task, animal task, fishing task etc, but only for 1 kind of thing at a time. (By that logic it should be egg task, wheat task, bacon task, etc). Why not add tasks that require us to harvest more types of crops, or collect from different types of animals within the same task? just like truck orders

2. Show ducks, lobsters and bees some love by adding tasks about them as well. They feel left out XD. Fishing via nets could also possibly become a different task.

3. Maybe have the town tasks be something like serve X number of townies at certain building. (Would make the personal train have more of an impact in the game)

4. For the love of god, fix the task board bouncing up and down please :D

The derby is awesome, has a lot of potential for a great fun addition to an already great game, hope some of our ideas will be taken into account. :D

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I find the time limit not reasonable for people with a life. I cannot play for hours on end and may not be able to harvest that crop at a certain time. The boat does not arrive until i sign in. If it did, i would never be able to do a boat. I just fill machines with next boat needs and sign in a day later and there is boat.
I can only do town task. Makes for a boring derby. Kill the time

One of our cubby mates had to trash a chilli task today, because it became patently obvious she wouldn't be able to finish it on time because she has a RL. Trashing that one meant she could do another, different sort of task before the derby ends. If there had not been a time limit, she could have achieved both.

I agree with this thread.

Here are some suggestions:

1. Remove derby from the game.

2. If 1. is not possible, remove time limits from the biggest crop/animal tasks so people who work for a living can actually do those.

3. Keep the item-dump tasks the highest points, but allow the other ones to have decent (if lesser) point values so people can break up the tedium. I did endless truck/town orders the last derby and while it was a ton of points it was also very annoying. Did I mention I never really liked the derby anyway? Crop/Animal tasks were my favorite, but I can admit that the item-dump ones should be worth more. Reward the extra work/diamonds spent, etc.

4. Opt in/out button! Would save a ton of hassle with booting in-actives, people returning after a hiatus. People with vacations, work, etc.

I know the derby is optional, but most of my NH loves the derby and loves to win the derby. Ideally, if it could be made less annoying, I wouldn't mind it as much. :)

Thanks for reading, and thanks to those who posted their wonderful comments and ideas here.

Well said, as always, Tigg... All of your posts on this thread.

...and worth repeating, that 'specifics' are what's needed, not 'it stinks' and variations there of.

Although I am personally keen to get going on a task this minute (LOL) I think the 24 hr break is a good thing. It allows people to change NHs without missing out on a week of the Derby, but mostly it allows players (mainly those who don't have a lot of time to play) a 'down day', either to forget about the Derby and farm peacefully, or to prepare for the next one.

I think a slight tweak to have more high point tasks would be good, and a much shorter refresh time. Half an hour is a long time, especially for players short of time to play, and just generally frustrating when you want to get on with a decent task.

I think the tasks should all be for the length of time of the Derby. People are under enough pressure in RL and with getting 5 Derby Tasks done, this added pressure is just unnecessary. People can only do one task at a time, let them do it as and when they can. It also means the young players can still play.

...and lastly (for now at least!) placing prizes. We won this week (it was a fun race at the end with the both teams holding back points until the end!!) which was great, but I have been left feeling rubbish about it. As a final prize I won the carriage, but my TEAM mates didn't (well, of the ones who have claimed their prizes already anyway, some are still sleeping or working) and I feel bad about it. I know a few of them, at least, would have appreciated it far more than me (PLANKS would have made me much happier! LOL) and that aside, we played AS A TEAM, one win, one prize, whether that's a Limited Edition Derby Deco or a crate of wheat. We all have our Big Girl Pants on and everyone is fine about it, but I still feel it's wrong.

Did anyone else notice that now that the Derby is over and a new one hasn't started that the DD is back to normal?
I have found wool, bacon and strawberries in just one issue alone.
Oh yes! And one wood panel!

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Did anyone else notice that now that the Derby is over and a new one hasn't started that the DD is back to normal?
I have found wool, bacon and strawberries in just one issue alone.
Oh yes! And one wood panel!

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Yes, I have noticed more variety in the paper today, although it started earlier than the derby's end.

Something else the day off does that I don't think anyone has thought of. it gives SC a day to push changes to the derby without screwing with the ongoing derby. IE tweak the task points or prize wheel or time limits or whatever they need to tweak without having it hit mid derby. of course it's only been a week so we haven't seen any changes as of yet but it does give them a window.


Here's to hoping they use it.

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Originally Posted by Tiaxotrax

Something else the day off does that I don't think anyone has thought of. it gives SC a day to push changes to the derby without screwing with the ongoing derby. IE tweak the task points or prize wheel or time limits or whatever they need to tweak without having it hit mid derby. of course it's only been a week so we haven't seen any changes as of yet but it does give them a window.


Here's to hoping they use it.

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I'd be happy to have a whole week off!
I wouldn't be surprised to see some positive changes tomorrow.

But for now I am stocking up on wool, bacon and strawberries while it's available again in the paper.
So much so that the Visitors are now asking to buy my bacon!

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I'd be happy to have a whole week off!
I wouldn't be surprised to see some positive changes tomorrow.

But for now I am stocking up on wool, bacon and strawberries while it's available again in the paper.
So much so that the Visitors are now asking to buy my bacon!

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No hoarding bacon, Sparkles. Spread that grease around. 😀

So first couple weeks we place 3rd now we have hoods who score 10s of thousands of horseshoes not a chance. I did all max point challenges put a lot in to it skipping the town almost completely and 9 red berries were the best prize I had to pick from??????? well it was fun while it lasted I can get 10 times that 1 day working the town!

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Originally Posted by GladeMaid

Might I point out, because nobody seems to have mentioned this, but not only did the reduce the points value of the crop and mining tasks and reduce the amount of time to do other tasks, but they increased the number of points needed to reach each goal and win the column prizes.

I loathed the Derby before the update, I absolutely detest it now. That jumping board is the worst thing ever!

I fully support those Neighbourhoods who have decided to quit.

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I did notice that the points to reach each horseshoe goal was higher than it has been, however, we have more people in our NH now and I believe that is why those goal points are higher...more members contributing points = points accumulated quicker = need for higher points/horseshoe. :)

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Originally Posted by knitgal2

I did notice that the points to reach each horseshoe goal was higher than it has been, however, we have more people in our NH now and I believe that is why those goal points are higher...more members contributing points = points accumulated quicker = need for higher points/horseshoe. :)

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I didn't think of that, I suppose because of all the posts from small-number NH's complaining that they can't reach the final goal post, so I assumed the points values were the same for everyone. It's always dangerous to assume. 😏☺️

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Originally Posted by knitgal2

I did notice that the points to reach each horseshoe goal was higher than it has been, however, we have more people in our NH now and I believe that is why those goal points are higher...more members contributing points = points accumulated quicker = need for higher points/horseshoe. :)

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Interesting posts. I would have liked to see the difference in points from differently sized NH's.
For example mine has 25 members, so now with a new derby coming up, I want to see how many points we need.
Maybe you GladeMaid and Knitgal2 could also post the numbers of your NH, then we can validate Knitgal2's theory?

What do you think?

Our NH has now got 30 members so will try and check too.😀

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Originally Posted by Aotearoa68

Interesting posts. I would have liked to see the difference in points from differently sized NH's.
For example mine has 25 members, so now with a new derby coming up, I want to see how many points we need.
Maybe you GladeMaid and Knitgal2 could also post the numbers of your NH, then we can validate Knitgal2's theory?

What do you think?

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This information is available here http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...he-Derby-Guide Day-General forum.
I'm not sure if the new numbers have been updated yet, but if not they will be soon!

My first post in the forums :o please be kind......

We were once this little group of farmers happily helping each other out when we could. Many farmers have high paced jobs or lifestyles that do not afford the luxury of playing hours on end, which was fine for the NH. Farm Life was good. Farmers could chose to dismiss boats, visitors, trash or ignore the truck delivery board and it only affected them. Not the NH.

And then came the derby.

It was something new. The first couple weeks were fun, but into the third week it became apparent that being a full NH we were up against other full NH's. Some of the farmers who could play more, and successfully complete their 5 tasks began to resent their co-farmers who could not. Now these "hobby farmers"; and former team mates are seen as big heavy rocks (by some) around the neck of the NH holding us back from ever being in the top 3. Tempers have flared. Harsh words mumbled. (It looked like ******* but we knew what was said).

This has has driven a wedge into the NH and a stake through my heart (as the NH leader). No one joined the NH way back when with the understanding that there would be forced participation in a weekly event. As the leader I am at my wits end. Either I kick some very good farmers out for not being able to contribute 100% week after week after week, or some very good farmers leave because they want the prizes. The derby has become a game changer for us.... and not in a good way. Sometimes I think I will just hide in the barn until the derby horses die from exhaustion running week after week.......thanks for letting me vent.....

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Originally Posted by Aotearoa68

Interesting posts. I would have liked to see the difference in points from differently sized NH's.
For example mine has 25 members, so now with a new derby coming up, I want to see how many points we need.
Maybe you GladeMaid and Knitgal2 could also post the numbers of your NH, then we can validate Knitgal2's theory?

What do you think?

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This information is available here http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...he-Derby-Guide Day-General forum.
I'm not sure if the new numbers have been updated yet, but if not they will be soon!

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After this last derby began, I crunched some numbers for our NH. For 16 members, the goal post values had not changed from what they were when the list was compiled originally. They do vary based on membership however.

In the past three weeks, our hood's membership has shifted from 12, 13, 14, 13, 14, 16. We had a mate with tech problems who was sidelined for a week, then returned when the trouble was resolved, & also welcomed some new friends, so I've been keeping an eye on the markers.