What will the air sweeper do to air raids?

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April 30th, 2015
charizzle

What will the air sweeper do to air raids?

So I'd like to start by saying that I think the air sweeper is a nice addition, and the people who are saying air raids, specifically lavaloon, will now be impossible are overreacting IMO.

Let's break it down by town hall level, starting at 6

Th6: Giant/healer is the main attacking using air units at th6. Even with the air sweeper, it will be very possible to 3 star with this. Especially if you can see what direction it is facing. Not gonna have a huge effect, but will make them require a bit more strategy and pathing.

Th7: Mass Drag is obviously the big one here, and has many people complaining about it. It will still be pretty easy to 3 star I think, but hopefully the air sweeper will make it so you actually have to think about drag placement and not just spam them anywhere. I'm hoping this will finally add at least a little strategy to mass drags.

Th8: Mass Drag/Dragloon will probably be very crippled with the air sweeper. Mostly mass drag. Its already much harder at th8 than it is at 7 because of the third ad. If they are all level 6 and you have an air sweeper, it will probably make mass drags a 1 star at best unless it is a poorly designed base. I don't have much experience with dragloon, so I'm not sure the extent of how it will be affected, but it for sure will make it tougher.

Th9/10: I just lumped these two together because the air strat is the same at both. Yes I am of course referring to lavaloon and all its various forms. I'll also mention golowiwi and holowiwi because balloons are a pretty big part of those attacks. Starting with golo and holo, I think the air sweeper won't have too big of an affect on these because the loons are usually used to take out outside defenses near the edge, so you can just aim for the side that the sweeper isn't on. As for lavaloon, it will definitely be made harder, but not impossible. CB or shattered will probably see more use, and will be changed to try any get the queen, and AD and a sweeper if you can. Worst case scenario in think would be if all the pups get scattered from the sweeper, or the loons get pushed away from the AD and core.

Those assumptions I made will be largely be affected by whether or not you can see what direction it is facing. If not, then it will be much harder, or at least a lot harder to plan.

TL;DR To those saying air attacks are ruined, calm down. You will just have to adapt and try new troop comps.
April 30th, 2015
Nzo

TH6 - no impact. You can 3* TH6 bases with heal spells instead of healers. I never used healers when I was Th6 and I always got 3 stars.

TH7 - minimal impact. Still only 2 AA Towers. Lightning takes it down to 1 AA and you can attack from the opposite side the air sweeper is facing. 3 Rage spell attack from the opposite side will likely still whip a TH7 base.

TH8 - my current TH - I see moderate impact but really once we get some amazing base layouts posted in the coming weeks. Dragloon, if executed correctly, can 3* any TH8 base regardless of layout. Air sweeper really just eliminates about a 3rd to a 5th of the map that you'll attack from depending on placement. So Dragloon raiders might lose the versatility of selecting which direction to attack from, but base creators at TH8 will find it difficult to protect the back & sides of the air sweeper without exposing whatever it is suppose to be sweeping for in front (like AA).

Mass dragon was already difficult pre-patch, so I see those raiders switching to a better strategy. Mass loons was never effective in TH8 so nothing changing there.

Overall, I don't see it affecting TH6 or TH7 at all. At, TH8 people might need to be more logical in their attacks but I don't see it being the end of all dragons.
April 30th, 2015
Lunaticfringe

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Originally Posted by Nzo

TH8 -Dragloon, if executed correctly, can 3* any TH8 base regardless of layout.

Ummm...

Yeah, it *can*, as can any other strategy for that matter, but it's far from consistent, especially when facing top-end TH8s and AD 666...
April 30th, 2015
Nzo

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Originally Posted by Lunaticfringe

Ummm...

Yeah, it *can*, as can any other strategy for that matter, but it's far from consistent, especially when facing top-end TH8s and AD 666...

I haven't had an issue against 3 x level 6 AA. Plenty of videos on youtube showing the same thing as well. So if you're having issues, its your execution.

For reference, I have LvL3 Dragons, LvL5 Rage/Heal, LvL5 Balloons and normally ask for LvL6 Balloons. My attack is maxed for TH8.
April 30th, 2015
PBialecki

I'm still not quite sure what am I supposed to defend with sweeper... As far as holowiwi attacks... You could protect defensive structures that have double giant bombs between them, but then it's a dead give away where your giant bombs are... So back to square one... What do I place within air sweepers radius?
April 30th, 2015
Seuss145

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Originally Posted by PBialecki

I'm still not quite sure what am I supposed to defend with sweeper... As far as holowiwi attacks... You could protect defensive structures that have double giant bombs between them, but then it's a dead give away where your giant bombs are... So back to square one... What do I place within air sweepers radius?

Probably the AD, so dragons and balloons are slowed down before reaching the AD. This would allow the AD to get a few more hits.
April 30th, 2015
Lunaticfringe

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Originally Posted by Nzo

I haven't had an issue against 3 x level 6 AA. Plenty of videos on youtube showing the same thing as well. So if you're having issues, its your execution.

For reference, I have LvL3 Dragons, LvL5 Rage/Heal, LvL5 Balloons and normally ask for LvL6 Balloons. My attack is maxed for TH8.

Good for you. You are amongst what I would consider the extremely rare, as some of the best players that I know of in COC struggle to consistently 3-star (max defense) TH8 bases with drags/dragloons. The key word there is consistently. Yeah, you can 3-star a max defense TH8 base. We do it frequently as well, especially with cored ADs. Hell, I just did it a few days ago with my 2nd account, a TH7, which is so unbelievably rare, I was shocked I did it myself. But, unfortunately, we have a lot of misses as well (& all these attacks are maxed dragon/dragloon attacks). And based on all the wars I've seen, both our clan attacking, as well as being attacked, coupled with discussions with a lot of people on this forum, I'm willing to bet that such is the norm far more than 3-starring without issue.

Along those lines, do you have many of these raids recorded? I'd love to see multiple videos showing you 3-starring max-defense, TH8 bases "without issue." It would be extraordinarily impressive to see, say, 5 raids in a row with you 3-starring max (defense) TH8 bases at a rate of, say, 90%+
May 1st, 2015
Dohyun

For base designs with air sweepers, i can see an air sweeper covering a side of a base and the queen for the other side to possibly do anti holo? Lava loonion definately is gonna be harder, and for farming what i dont like is that the minions come before balloons after being sweeped, so they get killed easily
May 1st, 2015
RainbowBrite

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunaticfringe

Good for you. You are amongst what I would consider the extremely rare, as some of the best players that I know of in COC struggle to consistently 3-star (max defense) TH8 bases with drags/dragloons. The key word there is consistently. Yeah, you can 3-star a max defense TH8 base. We do it frequently as well, especially with cored ADs. Hell, I just did it a few days ago with my 2nd account, a TH7, which is so unbelievably rare, I was shocked I did it myself. But, unfortunately, we have a lot of misses as well (& all these attacks are maxed dragon/dragloon attacks). And based on all the wars I've seen, both our clan attacking, as well as being attacked, coupled with discussions with a lot of people on this forum, I'm willing to bet that such is the norm far more than 3-starring without issue.

Along those lines, do you have many of these raids recorded? I'd love to see multiple videos showing you 3-starring max-defense, TH8 bases "without issue." It would be extraordinarily impressive to see, say, 5 raids in a row with you 3-starring max (defense) TH8 bases at a rate of, say, 90%+

Yeah, no kidding- I'd like to see that too, as I've been told by several experts that dragloon is risky with AD666, and that a ground attack is preferable.