New Defense: Air Sweeper!!

A new defense has been released and like all new defense updates it seems like it will be incredibly OP and it could possibly ruin th10 three star air attacks. Just like the giant bomb buff for hogs we will find a way around this and learn to three star. I'm incredibly happy to have members from clans such as Clashheads and Ha.noi that frequent the forums as they will be able to figure out how to beat this new defense faster than most clans because. How do you folks think this new defense will affect base designs? Will a new attack strategy emerge?

With so many defensive buildings only aiming the ground troops and not effectively neutralizing the air raids, I think it was a necessary step. A GoWiPe should always fare better than an all drag raid. Doubt a single AS will make much difference though given its limited scope but this is a start.

Is this a goodbye for mass dragon attack against TH8?

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Originally Posted by WickedSick

Is this a goodbye for mass dragon attack against TH8?

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Would mass dragon attack work against a TH8? They have 3 lvl6 ADs.
But, even if you 'd attack an early TH8, it would definitely work. The only difference would be that you won't be able to drop all at once and just sit back and relax. You'd have to see which way to attack and avoid trying to ram-in the AS.

We all know, why they added the Air aweeper...it will ruin the most popular lavaloon strategy and strategy number 1 for th8s-mass dragon. Guys time for other strategies :smirk:

Supercell are geniuses, that will change the game completelly.

It kills surgical laloon as you can place opposite aq and aim at a logical path of loons

Is it me? or we have a BUG on walls!! WE can now use elixir to upgrade walls to LVL 8 and 9!! did Supercell really put it back?!

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Originally Posted by Daniele09

Is it me? or we have a BUG on walls!! WE can now use elixir to upgrade walls to LVL 8 and 9!! did Supercell really put it back?!

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The maintenance break will probably fix it if this is true.

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Originally Posted by WickedSick

The maintenance break will probably fix it if this is true.

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But but but......

I know its too early to determine, but that air sweeper may not air raid ender for th9s and th10s. Lavahound don't really do much damage, their usefulness comes from the fact they keep air defense busy while loons wreck the base. If lavahound keeps getting pushed away from other defenses reach it will last longer, giving loons more time to work. Another thing to consider is, sweeper is 2x2 space that does absolutely no damage and is visible. 2x2 empty space, at the very least keeps attacker guessing if there is tesla or giant bomb there, make wrong assumption and your attack may end quickly. I hope air sweepers will make dragon attackers think more, i see too many people just dump dragons with no thought or funneling... than i hear them crying "♥♥♥? What happened? Dragons are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed!!!"

_{Its not the end of the world when a new air defense comes out.
It just means we have to adapt to it and use new strategies for attacking.}

It would be nice to see the air sweeper positioning being hidden to the attacker. That way they don't know which way it is facing. By knowing where it is positioned, they can just attack on opposite side and take it out before it is even effective.

At least this defense will help with those darn Lavaloon attacks!! Hopefully....

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Originally Posted by Azintfire

A GoWiPe should always fare better than an all drag raid. .

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Why is that??

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Originally Posted by Daniele09

Is it me? or we have a BUG on walls!! WE can now use elixir to upgrade walls to LVL 8 and 9!! did Supercell really put it back?!

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They already changed it back...

And it worked for some lower levels as well, like TH7 could spend elixir too.

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Originally Posted by Azintfire

With so many defensive buildings only aiming the ground troops and not effectively neutralizing the air raids, I think it was a necessary step. A GoWiPe should always fare better than an all drag raid. Doubt a single AS will make much difference though given its limited scope but this is a start.

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@ Azin : I've been a big fan of GoWiPe and Dragaloon attacking strategies. This update of introducing air sweeper is a huge disappointment from super cell for dragaloon and mass dragon masters and new players who are fascinated by air raid combos and gonna demoralize them to use air raids. Its already tough to 3 star a well designed max TH8 for good players using either strategy. I would have appreciated if super cell had released anti ground sweeper as well so both strategies are affected equally which is fair for all attackers !! Else was no need for Air Sweeper at all for a game like coc !!

Peace !!

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Originally Posted by Lunaticfringe

Why is that??

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All strategies should be treated equally ! GoWipe is designed for Th8 and above for targeting 2 stars from max bases whereas this will afftect TH7 and 6 as well which is not fair !!

I don't think it's much of a deal --- yet. For this thing to be effective it needs to be coupled up with at least 1 AD, preferably two, so the AD(s) can take out the air units as the sweeper keeps 'em pushed back. That leaves other areas of a defense vulnerable. If a defender thinks, OK, I'll put the AS on one side and the ADs on the other then the AS has no effect and a spread out air attack will get to it with a rage or two.

Given the fact that the AS has limited defense (120* trigger and 20*+/- blow), it's not hidden and the nozzle tells us where it's defending I just don't see it really killing a well planned air attack.

Besides (and I don't consider myself a 'great attack strategist'), I think it's a bit OP for an old man like me to just gen up a bunch of dragons, miniballs or lavaloonian and wipe out a base without much thought.

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Originally Posted by Lunaticfringe

They already changed it back...

And it worked for some lower levels as well, like TH7 could spend elixir too.

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I was super excited about this since I only have a few skulls left, at least I got about 3 segments in before they changed it back....

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Originally Posted by PBialecki

I know its too early to determine, but that air sweeper may not air raid ender for th9s and th10s. Lavahound don't really do much damage, their usefulness comes from the fact they keep air defense busy while loons wreck the base. If lavahound keeps getting pushed away from other defenses reach it will last longer, giving loons more time to work. Another thing to consider is, sweeper is 2x2 space that does absolutely no damage and is visible. 2x2 empty space, at the very least keeps attacker guessing if there is tesla or giant bomb there, make wrong assumption and your attack may end quickly. I hope air sweepers will make dragon attackers think more, i see too many people just dump dragons with no thought or funneling... than i hear them crying "♥♥♥? What happened? Dragons are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed!!!"

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I don't really think it has anything to do with dragons are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed or not :D. No one is born warrior for coc CW :D..over a period of time everyone learns from their mistakes !
Its just don''t seem fair for Dragaloon/mass dragon/loonion attackers ! why not introduced Ground sweeper too to make it fair ?

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Originally Posted by JimmyHandles

A new defense has been released and like all new defense updates it seems like it will be incredibly OP and it could possibly ruin th10 three star air attacks. Just like the giant bomb buff for hogs we will find a way around this and learn to three star. I'm incredibly happy to have members from clans such as Clashheads and Ha.noi that frequent the forums as they will be able to figure out how to beat this new defense faster than most clans because. How do you folks think this new defense will affect base designs? Will a new attack strategy emerge?

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Keep adding defenses with no increase in camp size or troop strength is rendering this game useless. Thanks C of C

^^^ "ground sweeper"?, oh you mean walls....

I agree, it would be a much better defense if it was hidden like teslas/ traps. Id expect a change in that regard.

I think we'll start seeing more hog/loonion or hog/lavaloonion attacks. I don't think air raids are dead. Just everyone will find a way to adjust. And since the sweeper is aimed in a particular direction, the guessing game of where to flank it vs where air traps are positioned comes into play.

Shall be interesting to see the direction strategies go.

I'm not upset about it but I just don't think it fits the 'theme' very well --- a big bellows that can blow dragons around? Nah --- it, IMHO, should be some type of "wizardry" that sends out air. However, I'm not getting the big bucks for developing war games......

Can attackers see Air Sweeper similar to Tesla?

For now it's not hidden --- I suspect that if it doesn't have the desired effect (for Supercell that is) it eventually may be.....

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Originally Posted by oldman

I don't think it's much of a deal --- yet. For this thing to be effective it needs to be coupled up with at least 1 AD, preferably two, so the AD(s) can take out the air units as the sweeper keeps 'em pushed back. That leaves other areas of a defense vulnerable. If a defender thinks, OK, I'll put the AS on one side and the ADs on the other then the AS has no effect and a spread out air attack will get to it with a rage or two.

Given the fact that the AS has limited defense (120* trigger and 20*+/- blow), it's not hidden and the nozzle tells us where it's defending I just don't see it really killing a well planned air attack.

Besides (and I don't consider myself a 'great attack strategist'), I think it's a bit OP for an old man like me to just gen up a bunch of dragons, miniballs or lavaloonian and wipe out a base without much thought.

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Well put, I tend to agree with all these points. I think putting ADs on both of the vulnerable sides of AS would be the way to go (speaking mostly th9 and 10 here when you have 4).

Time will tell. I have a horrid track record of predicting how new units will effect the game in the long run. Think back when the hounds came out how 99% of forum talk was discussing how poor of a unit they were. Two months later they dominated the game. Only time will tell what changes the air sweeper will bring to us.

Great....just great. Just when I have drags in lv2, minions, and now lv 4 loons, to start my new air attack now that iam in th7 they bring out a new defense and on top of it all I can't update, cus my iOS is out dated :(:(:( iam so angry right now:mad::mad: but still, I always love CoC and SEE, and air sweeper is a nice defense tho just hope someone discovers a way for flying troops to get around it and a new strategy to emerge

Have you guys realized that it only points in one direction? Just attack from the other side. If it really is a big problem, I am sure you can use your heroes and maybe a golem to take it out. It was a good nerf though. It had to be done I guess. It is not that bad though.

I see this benefiting giant/healer attacks. Air pushes healer away from AD, giving giants more time to destroy them.