Multiplayer matchmaking

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Originally Posted by Six91

Hi everybody!

I just want to share with you my opinion about the new matchmaking algorithm; especially the way this changed heavily my approach to the game! I will also provide some examples.

About me
I've been playing Clash of Clans since June (almost 1 year) and I easily understood that the players are "divided" by two categories:

• Those looking for "Glory" and competitiveness and try to reach the highest number of trophies and face strong opponents.
• Those playing as "Farmers" looking for resources (don't matter the League, they care only about loots).

I belong to the latest category. I'm a TH9 with the aim to finish my level 10 walls. My army is made up by Giants, Wallbreakers and Archers and I hold my trophy count between 1300 - 1700.

Before the update
Over the course of two hours attacking I could achieve about 3/4 MLN of gold and 2/2.5 MLN of elixir. My opponents were mainly:

• Inactive TH7 and TH8 (full collectors).
• TH8 and TH9 with good loot inside their storages.

Using the army composition I wrote above I could get a good balance between Training time / Elixir spent / Loot gained.

What about now?
The situation now is completely different, but I want to show you through actual images.
following there are screenshots of the very first three opponents I found.
Note: Currently I have 1200 trophies.

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Attachment 113454	Attachment 113455	Attachment 113456

(Am I in Master League??? :saywhat:)

Attack those players with the army I wrote above means just a thing = suicide! So I managed to completely change my army but honestly I think that each possible TH9 army will be useless against level 3 Inferno Tower.
Anyways those are my attempts:

• Barbarian-Archers: Fail
• Giants-Healer: Fail
• Ballon-Minion-Lavahound: Win (but trashed due to the highest time and elixir costs...It's about farming not trophy)
• Ballon-Minion: Average Win (I can get enough loot to afford some upgrade and troops training)

Are "farmers" died?
To be honest I really don't know how other people reacted to this update. My opinion is that tactical attack such as "Barbarian-Archers", "Giants-Healers" or any attack aimed exclusively to loots are no longer effective (or less than before).

After the update
Over the course of two hours attacking I could achieve about 1.5/2 MLN of gold and 0.5/1 MLN of elixir. My opponents were mainly:

• Maxed TH9 with good loot inside their storages.
• "Attempt" to attack some TH10 with EPIC FAILS.

My new army is made up by Balloons and Minions and my trophy count is about 1100 - 1200. As you can see my gain is very low, this mainly due to a very high Training time and Elixir spent compared to the Loot gained.

Conclusion
I think the Supercell's aim was really wise but the way they try to achieve that is COMPLETELY wrong. Why? Here comes 3 points:

1. Attack weak player? The only thing leading a TH8/TH9 to attack a lower TH7 player is the inactivity and I don't think inactive player would recriminate about those attacks (inactive player is a good source of income for almost every TH). What about active players? Well, the loot inside the storages of full active player is too low (due to the TH difference) and would not provide a good ratio elixir spent / gained.
2. Leagues? What are they? The league concept together with the trophy count has become completely useless except for the loot bonus. I cannot find difference between Silver 2 and Crystal 2 League and, obviously, the way to get trophy has become really difficult for TH9 players already from Silver League (Most of the opponents I succeeded to get 2 stars gave to me about 9 Trophy). I think that a level 40 player has more chances to reach the Master League compared to a level 80/90 player.
3. 1, 2, 3...Someone is raiding your village! This is the most common message I get from my phone:

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I really don't know why but seems the update increased dramatically the number of attack from opponents (Yesterday 5 in 10 minutes). This influenced especially the revenges. I will give you a handshake if you find the exact moment that he doesn't have the shield! :facepalm:

That's all,
Thanks for reading

Edit: Remember that some people doesn't have much free time and they just want to play for fun and not for competitiveness!!!! This is the reason why Leagues were introduced time ago...

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Even I have been experimenting with troops now. All the low level troops are not working. Tried gowipe, worked well. But I can't use that heavy army with huge build up time. Still looking for solution.

Btw, thinking to start light zap myself. LOL

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Originally Posted by Six91

Hi everybody!

I just want to share with you my opinion about the new matchmaking algorithm; especially the way this changed heavily my approach to the game! I will also provide some examples.

About me
I've been playing Clash of Clans since June (almost 1 year) and I easily understood that the players are "divided" by two categories:

• Those looking for "Glory" and competitiveness and try to reach the highest number of trophies and face strong opponents.
• Those playing as "Farmers" looking for resources (don't matter the League, they care only about loots).

I belong to the latest category. I'm a TH9 with the aim to finish my level 10 walls. My army is made up by Giants, Wallbreakers and Archers and I hold my trophy count between 1300 - 1700.

Before the update
Over the course of two hours attacking I could achieve about 3/4 MLN of gold and 2/2.5 MLN of elixir. My opponents were mainly:

• Inactive TH7 and TH8 (full collectors).
• TH8 and TH9 with good loot inside their storages.

Using the army composition I wrote above I could get a good balance between Training time / Elixir spent / Loot gained.

What about now?
The situation now is completely different, but I want to show you through actual images.
following there are screenshots of the very first three opponents I found.
Note: Currently I have 1200 trophies.

1°	2°	3°
Attachment 113454	Attachment 113455	Attachment 113456

(Am I in Master League??? :saywhat:)

Attack those players with the army I wrote above means just a thing = suicide! So I managed to completely change my army but honestly I think that each possible TH9 army will be useless against level 3 Inferno Tower.
Anyways those are my attempts:

• Barbarian-Archers: Fail
• Giants-Healer: Fail
• Ballon-Minion-Lavahound: Win (but trashed due to the highest time and elixir costs...It's about farming not trophy)
• Ballon-Minion: Average Win (I can get enough loot to afford some upgrade and troops training)

Are "farmers" died?
To be honest I really don't know how other people reacted to this update. My opinion is that tactical attack such as "Barbarian-Archers", "Giants-Healers" or any attack aimed exclusively to loots are no longer effective (or less than before).

After the update
Over the course of two hours attacking I could achieve about 1.5/2 MLN of gold and 0.5/1 MLN of elixir. My opponents were mainly:

• Maxed TH9 with good loot inside their storages.
• "Attempt" to attack some TH10 with EPIC FAILS.

My new army is made up by Balloons and Minions and my trophy count is about 1100 - 1200. As you can see my gain is very low, this mainly due to a very high Training time and Elixir spent compared to the Loot gained.

Conclusion
I think the Supercell's aim was really wise but the way they try to achieve that is COMPLETELY wrong. Why? Here comes 3 points:

1. Attack weak player? The only thing leading a TH8/TH9 to attack a lower TH7 player is the inactivity and I don't think inactive player would recriminate about those attacks (inactive player is a good source of income for almost every TH). What about active players? Well, the loot inside the storages of full active player is too low (due to the TH difference) and would not provide a good ratio elixir spent / gained.
2. Leagues? What are they? The league concept together with the trophy count has become completely useless except for the loot bonus. I cannot find difference between Silver 2 and Crystal 2 League and, obviously, the way to get trophy has become really difficult for TH9 players already from Silver League (Most of the opponents I succeeded to get 2 stars gave to me about 9 Trophy). I think that a level 40 player has more chances to reach the Master League compared to a level 80/90 player.
3. 1, 2, 3...Someone is raiding your village! This is the most common message I get from my phone:

Attachment 113457

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I really don't know why but seems the update increased dramatically the number of attack from opponents (Yesterday 5 in 10 minutes). This influenced especially the revenges. I will give you a handshake if you find the exact moment that he doesn't have the shield! :facepalm:

That's all,
Thanks for reading

Edit: Remember that some people doesn't have much free time and they just want to play for fun and not for competitiveness!!!! This is the reason why Leagues were introduced time ago...

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Nice post, very well put together. Only thing is those bases are easily raided with giant, archer, goblin, wb with the exception of 2. I may not get it all but I'd get more than enough to turn a profit with max th9 troops

Everyone keeps saying that this update fixed this mythical "nexting" problem... trouble is there never was a next in problem unless you were in the wrong leagues to begin with. Now there is a real nexting problem. When the game istill reaching to different leagues just to match you repeatedly with players who are way too hard there's nothing you can do but keep hitting next. I'm a brand new townhall 8 and all I get are townhall 10,9, maxed 8, and the occasional maxed 7, and that's very very rare and when thy pop up what are the odds they'll actually have good loot? Zip!

The leagues used to mean something, now they mean nothing. Either SC will eliminate them in a future update or they will have to fix the matchmaking. The game is truly broken now which tells me this is temporary. They are simply pulling a new coke old coke coke classic move here. They made the game WAY too hard so people will buy gems and push up their profits quickly but temporarily. This surge of gem buying will pass and when they see the peek is over they will move the matchmaking back to league play style again. Is what it is. In the mean time non gemming players like me are on the outside looking in.

I agree this has always been a game of raiding and getting raided but before this update I'd pull in MILLIONS a day in resources, now, I spent all day yesterday making resource attacks and made 7k... That's 7,000, lol. What a joke! I was even on YouTube watching videos of different attacks styles like a noob And nothing I tried was very successful. And here's the real bull of it, I tried 6 different leagues (on my way down because winning is now impossible for me) and there were no difference at all in my matchups. Started in gold 1, got matched with almost all townhall 10's and 9's. Moved down (fell?) To gold 2, same. Gold 3, same, silver 1 same, silver 2 same, silver 3 same. WHAT A JOKE!!!

And for those of you saying this isn't costing them, it is, big time. I'll explain, TIG (time in game) is where SC makes its money. TIG is going down with EVERYONE I KNOW. Almost everyone I work with plays and they're all complaining and saying they're just playing less waiting for a fix update. I for one used to play constantly and now I play less everyday as I'm running out of strategies to try since nothing is working... I gave up my clan leadership already and told them today I will be uninstalling the game soon since my resources will soon be too low to war. games broke, period. This update serves only sc for gem profit and the high ranking top tear players who are all gemmers anyway. Every video game that once was number 1 made the same mistake, they thought nothing they did would change their rank, soon coc will be a thing of the past and if this isn't fixed this will be the reason why. I used to love this game and play it all day everyday. Now I hate it. Good business model sc.

Since the update, with a farming base, I'm losing every 48 hours on average per attack:

Gold: 347k
DE: 2,100

Cost of Re-arming bombs: 103,300

People aren't attacking my (almost maxed TH9) farming base for trophies anymore. Loot. And lots of it.

Something tells me I'm quitting very soon.

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Originally Posted by LordBillOfCoc

Everyone keeps saying that this update fixed this mythical "nexting" problem... trouble is there never was a next in problem unless you were in the wrong leagues to begin with. Now there is a real nexting problem. When the game istill reaching to different leagues just to match you repeatedly with players who are way too hard there's nothing you can do but keep hitting next. I'm a brand new townhall 8 and all I get are townhall 10,9, maxed 8, and the occasional maxed 7, and that's very very rare and when thy pop up what are the odds they'll actually have good loot? Zip!

The leagues used to mean something, now they mean nothing. Either SC will eliminate them in a future update or they will have to fix the matchmaking. The game is truly broken now which tells me this is temporary. They are simply pulling a new coke old coke coke classic move here. They made the game WAY too hard so people will buy gems and push up their profits quickly but temporarily. This surge of gem buying will pass and when they see the peek is over they will move the matchmaking back to league play style again. Is what it is. In the mean time non gemming players like me are on the outside looking in.

I agree this has always been a game of raiding and getting raided but before this update I'd pull in MILLIONS a day in resources, now, I spent all day yesterday making resource attacks and made 7k... That's 7,000, lol. What a joke! I was even on YouTube watching videos of different attacks styles like a noob And nothing I tried was very successful. And here's the real bull of it, I tried 6 different leagues (on my way down because winning is now impossible for me) and there were no difference at all in my matchups. Started in gold 1, got matched with almost all townhall 10's and 9's. Moved down (fell?) To gold 2, same. Gold 3, same, silver 1 same, silver 2 same, silver 3 same. WHAT A JOKE!!!

And for those of you saying this isn't costing them, it is, big time. I'll explain, TIG (time in game) is where SC makes its money. TIG is going down with EVERYONE I KNOW. Almost everyone I work with plays and they're all complaining and saying they're just playing less waiting for a fix update. I for one used to play constantly and now I play less everyday as I'm running out of strategies to try since nothing is working... I gave up my clan leadership already and told them today I will be uninstalling the game soon since my resources will soon be too low to war. games broke, period. This update serves only sc for gem profit and the high ranking top tear players who are all gemmers anyway. Every video game that once was number 1 made the same mistake, they thought nothing they did would change their rank, soon coc will be a thing of the past and if this isn't fixed this will be the reason why. I used to love this game and play it all day everyday. Now I hate it. Good business model sc.

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Very well said, that is excactly the situation

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Originally Posted by Coercion

Since the update, with a farming base, I'm losing every 48 hours on average per attack:

Gold: 347k
DE: 2,100

Cost of Re-arming bombs: 103,300

People aren't attacking my (almost maxed TH9) farming base for trophies anymore. Loot. And lots of it.

Something tells me I'm quitting very soon.

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I never re-arm my bombs and big bombs, in fact I have them on the side. I only use them in clanwars.
They are mostly useless and cost too much when re-arming them.
You save quite some gold when you don't re-arm them.

The league system really wasn't working all that great before.






In all honesty I predict it will take up to 3 months before a new "normal" is achieved. Based on the last major overhaul DIRECTLY to loot. This indirectly affects loot but massively affects leagues. We are currently in a period of massive flux as people try to rediscover the hot spots and what fits them.


For sure

Silver, low gold - massively activity. You can not hid



Higher Leagues

Th8 - Crystal II is functioning like champs now for me.


Th10 - no real change in masters for me. (I got 2 accounts)




But, the way I see it. My th8 situation could easily change as more Th8 trophy push. And since we are pitted against other Th8 and 7 now (with some th9 and the occasional Th10) I can trophy push without being a sniper.


Which will appeal to allot more people IMO. The loot bonus of 50,000 50,000 300 is much more appealing to a Th8 doing 50% boosted raids than it is to a Th9/10. Its no inactive raiding, but a few exposed storages, or half filled collectors and you won't do too bad trophy pushing.

I'm a th7 farming around the 12-1300 range and I'm still regularly coming across th5s up to th10s...

I'm th9 102 and have no problem attacking stronger bases, i like the challenge but ever since update i see less max th8 and high th9 but more rushed th9 making the majority of matches i find way to easy, thus i have to search longer to find a tougher base to attack. before the update i did not have this problem

I am a TH9 with all maxed out TH8 defenses including traps & walls. Managed to upgrade all mortars to L7 just before the update. I too can understand the frustration felt by the majority players here. I have played for a year and I can still remember when I first started off, waking up in the middle of night just to trigger the next building upgrade to maximize the builder resources. After spending so much time and effort building up the village, it's a real pity to see how the game ended up with this state.

The update simply makes the game unsustainable. I am fine with losing loots to better players. But it makes little sense when one raid takes away, say 400k over gold/elixir. If I try to break the 12 hr shield and make another attack, once I put down the phone, I get another raid and lost another similar amount. If I leave the shield on and rely on collectors, once the shield time is up, same thing again. As clearly demonstrated by the posts made so far, it only benefits mainly those with maxed TH9 or 10.

Reading the posts made me felt as though players like us are being chided for not knowing how to adapt to the changes. With the previous algorithms/loot capping, at least we can still progress upwards despite being attacked.