Multiplayer matchmaking

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Originally Posted by FLGatorsEliteJu

Sorry to hear that. But it must be a trophy range issue or a really weak walls issue. I've had no issue getting snipes anywhere from Gold 1 to Crystal 2. If you are mega premie on walls, I recommend dropping cups big time, and pouring some of that loot into walls fast.

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My walls are maxed. I never upgrade my Town Hall until I have upgraded *every* possible upgrade. I'm the 180 degree opposite of preemie. The problem, if you can call it that, is that I was saving up for an expensive upgrade. That made me an attractive target. People see the loot and go all out. Big win for them. Feeding frenzy. Can't blame 'em.

So today I changed my tactics. Now, I'm just spending everything I can on the cheapest things possible, just to lower my loot count. And I've already spent way too much time screwing around with different bases. Trying to tread water ... in hopes that Supercell will fix this soon. If they don't, then I'm toast. Pretty soon, I'll have bought everything that's cheap. And I can never save up for anything expensive.

Gold and Crystal?

Holy cow. I appreciate your advice FLGatorsEliteJu, I really do. You've obviously played the game a lot. But that's not anywhere near me.

Like I said before, this upgrade is a huge win for people who play the game a lot, but it chases away the casual player. (Maybe that's the plan.)

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

We've done some subtle multiplayer matchmaking balancing in order to better protect players with low level Town Halls. After these changes, all players will be more likely to find multiplayer opponents that are at or near their Town Hall level, regardless of Trophy count. ...— The Clash Dev Team

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This new matching system did not protect lower level Town Halls(TH) as they will still be actively attacked by one TH higher. TH8 keep destroyed by TH9, TH5 keep destroyed by TH6. As I see it, everyone suffers except those who already maxed everything. Please fix this. Like Applying higher penalty on looting lower TH level or something.

This also affects Clan War as I am seeing TH 3 with only a level 1 cannon and a few wall, but ranked higher than a TH 4 with 2 archer towers, 2 cannons, and more than 50 wall above level 2. It's ridiculous as I cannot find a nicer word to describe this.

Here's the real problem: There is no cost associated with high level players dropping trophies and having a "feeding frenzy" on players who are unable to protect themselves by staying online for hours at a time. Previously the barrier to this behaviour was the time, and to a lesser extent gold, required to next through villages that did not provide enough loot to warrant attacking.

My solution:

1. Leave matchmaking as it is. More time actually raiding and less time nexting is a good thing overall for the game. Raiding is more fun than nexting.

2. Introduce more risk into the equation for players who choose to drop trophies and prey on more casual players. I have some suggestions.

a) Increase the cap on loot available for players who are attacking above their own TH level.
b) Provide a loot bonus for players who are attacking above their own TH level. or;
c) Both.

This would give players who cannot stay online for hours at a time an incentive to train stronger armies and give them the ability to profit and progress.

It also introduces an element of risk for the players who drop down for a "feeding frenzy". They will still make loot hand over fist, but they are exposing themselves to players who will be incentivized to hit them with stronger armies.

The people who are able and choose to play in extended sessions will still come out far ahead of casual players, and more casual players will be able to mitigate their losses through increased gains.

It's not a good thing when the line between casual and active in a mobile game is drawn at being able to keep your phone from locking for hours at a time.

In my opinion, if the players who are so keen to destroy more casual players find this to be an unacceptable solution it is a strong indicator that they are not interested in a more competitive game. Just admit that you want the game to be easier, but only for you.

Originally I was frankly ticked at the update. On the surface it looked to be a glorified nerf update to air attacks. A brilliant nerf, since it introduced more base design, pathing, and complexity to an air attack but not what you'd expect for 3 months of waiting.

But the full extent of the changes are sinking in and I am a bit happier than I was when I originally vented. Ironically it was the footnotes of this update that carried the true meat.

1) Bookmarks, nice but not an overly sought addition
2) Army Preview screen, nice but not really impressive (I like it just, saying)
3) New Defense Building - actually I am impressed they came up with a way to even give Th6 a new defensive building. I know people are moaning about a glorified fan and all but what could they possible of added that won't of been unbalanced at lower Th levels.

BUT

The footnote changes

1) Matchmaking - this will rewrite how we play the game. Sure SC has changed things in the game that has affected leagues before. League bonuses, balancing changes, etc but those affected the game gradually or at least compared to this new change gradually. This immediately impacted what leagues people wanted to be in and will dramatically affect how people play the game. Honestly the full effects will remain to be seen.
-SC addressed TH sniping doing this because it removed much of lower Th ability to snipe higher Th, which in turn means more higher Th are up for grabs when they log off

-Since more bases are up for grabs, you get more full attacks and storage raiding just got a nod while collector farming has a question mark hanging over it.

-Totally changes trophy pushing (until champs which is only fair). This means you are slogging it out with other th your level. This means those pushing trophies will likely have more ability to do so than they ever had and it wont' be through hours of sniping! (well it won't require it)

-This changes defense for the above reasons. I still think protecting your Th will be seldom. Its still too costly to defend but since attacks are changing, base design must change. It will be interesting to see how farming is affected by this.

2) More Matchmaking! - The affects on war will take longer to sink in but I've noticed some changes
-My Th10 dropped in matchmaking and for me that is great. Before the update my mirror's where getting quite strong and war was getting to be a huge pain. I had high level heros but some very premature walls in the current environment (I jumped back when hogs/loons dominated so walls were of little value). For me personally the matches have been better and I am more able to 2 star the bases I am set against but I am not sure if my opponents feel the same about being pitted against nearly 65 levels of heros to their roughly 50.

-My Th8 is a .5 base, pretty much groomed for war. I was getting to a point where my offense is going to start getting ahead of my defense. War wise it still seemed I was getting better matches but the change in regular matchmaking was really making me pay for delaying my defenses.

-So far it has appeared the matchmaking system is tighter. Currently I feel like we over-matched our opponents but last war defensively we were stronger and offensively they were. It ended up being a 1 point win. And it seems the matches of late are like that. I also feel like clan level is being considered as we are 90% of the time being pitted against clans of a similar level. But this may simply be because winning or not winning clans do not have a major difference in experience level. It appears even if you are winning 50% of the time you'll have a similar clan level to one winning 80-90% of the time because the 50 point difference in winning hasn't added up yet.



So matchmaking got a major face-lift and I can honestly see this as what consumed SC attention for the last few months. The war matchmaking change was more minor and likely intended to help close up the loop holes hardcore clans were exploiting to affect matchmaking. But it doesn't appear to be to far in the other direction. The regular raiding change is huge as I stated above. That will impact the game in ways we can not yet see.

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Originally Posted by Marika[Supercell]

You are now more likely to find targets at or near your Town Hall level in multiplayer matchmaking.


We've done some subtle multiplayer matchmaking balancing in order to better protect players with low level Town Halls. After these changes, all players will be more likely to find multiplayer opponents that are at or near their Town Hall level, regardless of Trophy count. For more details, read below.


As armies and Heroes get stronger and stronger, the threat (and temptation) of crushing weaker players with a decked out Town Hall 9 or 10 army becomes ever more present. However, for a player at a low Town Hall level, there are few things more discouraging and frustrating than being completely demolished by a disproportionately powerful attacker who is vastly further in the game.

It is a constant goal of ours to better motivate and incentivize players to attack opponents at their level of skill and progress. League Bonuses and Town Hall loot penalties have helped in this regard, but to improve the situation further still, we've gone straight to the multiplayer matchmaking alorithms. Now, matchmaking will pay special attention to the Town Hall level of a player going to attack, and will look for targets that are at a similar Trophy count AS WELL as at a similar Town Hall level. For example, a player at Town Hall level 9 in the Bronze league will be very likely to find opponents at Town Hall levels 8-10 who are also in the Bronze league.

For most players who are attacking at a Trophy level appropriate to their progress in the game, little or no change will be apparent in their multiplayer matchmaking searches. However, for players who have dropped to a very low Trophy count, these changes will inhibit (though not completely prevent) matchmaking against significantly weaker targets. These players will instead be matched more often to other players at a similar Town Hall level who have also dropped to a very low Trophy count. In the cases where there are very few appropriately-leveled targets available, these players may have to wait longer in matchmaking to find targets.

This behavior also takes effect in the opposite direction; weaker players will be less likely to be matched against disproportionately strong players. For example, a player at Town Hall level 5 in the Silver league will be very likely to find opponents at Town Hall levels 4-6 who are also in the Silver league.

As a special note, matchmaking in Champion league has been left as-is and will not have any special Town Hall considerations.

Hopefully, these changes will give newer players a much better multiplayer experience, and will make the game fairer for all. Thanks for reading, fellow Clashers, and Clash on!

— The Clash Dev Team

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MArika,,

I am NOT SURE what you mean by the word "protect"

As a lower TH there is basically NOTHING to protect.


TO BE HONEST

I am quite thrilled when a higher TH attacks my base why?

Because of the PENALTY they end up getting less loot.


But they will give you a good shield.


BUT STILL I LOVE the update for the very same reason:

As an experienced farmer I really dont enjoy scrolling through those low THs that will give me next to nothing loot, now I am finding better loot and the lower THs are also finding more loot and they are now also less likely to hit the full collector dead th10 bases. GOOD JOB ON THIS

But Protect???

Whatever

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Originally Posted by romasanta

MArika,,

I am NOT SURE what you mean by the word "protect"

As a lower TH there is basically NOTHING to protect.


TO BE HONEST

I am quite thrilled when a higher TH attacks my base why?

Because of the PENALTY they end up getting less loot.


But they will give you a good shield.


BUT STILL I LOVE the update for the very same reason:

As an experienced farmer I really dont enjoy scrolling through those low THs that will give me next to nothing loot, now I am finding better loot and the lower THs are also finding more loot and they are now also less likely to hit the full collector dead th10 bases. GOOD JOB ON THIS

But Protect???

Whatever

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Your base sucks then. Its very rare anyone outside of the much higher leagues raids with a decked out raiding army. As a TH8 with max elixir stores it was very rarely blown out by TH9s. I dont understand the issue to be honest. If someone is a TH higher, decent attacker and comes loaded to crush your base its going to happen. This has not changed since the beginning. I fricking love the posts of 200K war armies pulling 150k resources ;/.

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Originally Posted by powerbottom

Your base sucks then. Its very rare anyone outside of the much higher leagues raids with a decked out raiding army. As a TH8 with max elixir stores it was very rarely blown out by TH9s. I dont understand the issue to be honest. If someone is a TH higher, decent attacker and comes loaded to crush your base its going to happen. This has not changed since the beginning. I fricking love the posts of 200K war armies pulling 150k resources ;/.

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Uhhh.....

My base sucks?

I'm sorry, you might have misread my post???


I just said that I now prefer the new multi matchmaking., READ MY POST AGAIN

I really dont understand your reply and you quoted my post but did not reply to any of its content.

weird

If someone plays more than you = no life.
If someone plays less than you = inactive.

Got it ....

Supercell, your change to multiplayer matchmaking was a stroke of genius. This is what folks who drop to Sub 200 were looking for, only the bases are there!

This is the answer to the "where's the loot" gripe we've been hearing for so long! I am very happy at the moment.

To anyone with a rushed base sitting in Bronze/Silver trying to hide out...I'm coming for you with my Lvl6 GiBarch(wiz) army! If you want to stop being a target, put your resources into walls....

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Originally Posted by Johnnysks

If someone plays more than you = no life.
If someone plays less than you = inactive.

Got it ....

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Expanding:

Plays more than you = no life
Plays less than you = inactive
Has better base than you = gemmer
Has worse base than you = noob

;)