I've never seen something like this before - Is this the true meaning of TH 8.5?

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Originally Posted by Janz

This isn't TH 8.5. This is just cheap abuse of the matchmaking system.

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isnt that excactly what th 8.5 does?

I have been seeing more and more of these. A TH9 with max walls, but no xbows...and he does have an AQ, but is still a TH8 for matching and is ranked below our 8's. But has the troops to take down Th10's. Ridiculous!

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Originally Posted by antimatter

isnt that excactly what th 8.5 does?

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So tell me, what is the correct order to upgrade your base? Assuming you are a maxed TH8 before upgrading to TH9, what is the exact upgrade order of every building, defense, wall section, and research? Any deviation from this exact sequence is considered abusing the system then, right?

Give me a break, going from maxed TH8 to maxed TH9 (or TH9 to TH10) is not abusing the system. Going from maxed TH1 to a TH9 or TH10 with a fully upgraded 3-star attack and no defenses? Yeah, abusing the system. Yes, it's different.

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Originally Posted by Xitra

So tell me, what is the correct order to upgrade your base? Assuming you are a maxed TH8 before upgrading to TH9, what is the exact upgrade order of every building, defense, wall section, and research? Any deviation from this exact sequence is considered abusing the system then, right?

Give me a break, going from maxed TH8 to maxed TH9 (or TH9 to TH10) is not abusing the system. Going from maxed TH1 to a TH9 or TH10 with a fully upgraded 3-star attack and no defenses? Yeah, abusing the system. Yes, it's different.

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meh, still abusing the system. you cant deny that. th 8 defense with th 9 offense?? is that fair?
your counted as a th 8 in the war algorithm, = easier matches=easier wins. .5 is for desperate people who want to win war the easy way.

especially that guy in the pic.

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Originally Posted by Janz

This isn't TH 8.5. This is just cheap abuse of the matchmaking system.

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Thank you. It's amazing to me that people can put this in the same category as .5 and honestly believe themselves. This base will get matched as like a th 4 and can 3 star mid th 9s with laloon. An 8.5 gets matched as a maxed th 8 to low th 9 and can only 3 star low th 9s. A .5 will build their new defenses once their offense is up to par, meanwhile this base clearly has no intention of ever building defenses and being matched against an equal opponent.

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Originally Posted by andrgin

Also th9s maxing walls and heroes instead of going to th10 is an abuse of the matchmaking system.

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LOL, I sincerely hope you are being sarcastic here.

You were providing examples of how ignoring your defences and maxing your offences in order to draw weaker opponents was an abuse of the matchmaking. And then you make the above statement which is a complete back-flip.

.5 and defenseless bases are both abusing the matchmaking system, period. If you go in with the singular purpose of upgrading offense (using elixir and DE) and neglecting defenses (gold, so won't affect your offense progress) then you know what you're doing. Don't try and sugar coat it.

Players have been doing defenseless bases for fun before clan wars were around. I never heard of .5 bases until after clan wars were introduced. So it seems to me the one and only purpose of a .5 is to work the matchmaking system.

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Originally Posted by Belvik

.5 and defenseless bases are both abusing the matchmaking system, period. If you go in with the singular purpose of upgrading offense (using elixir and DE) and neglecting defenses (gold, so won't affect your offense progress) then you know what you're doing. Don't try and sugar coat it.

Players have been doing defenseless bases for fun before clan wars were around. I never heard of .5 bases until after clan wars were introduced. So it seems to me the one and only purpose of a .5 is to work the matchmaking system.

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You have to remember that .5 bases really don't carry a ton of value until they get their heroes and troops upgraded. Sure a Th8.5 will rank lower that the bases it can 3 star but where does the value really start to show? Take this guy for example, sure he can 3 star bases much higher than him, but those bases are going to be 3 stared in war whether he does it or not. Now when he gets his heroes up to the high teens low 20s and can start taking down max TH9 that his clanmates can't and starts to show that value of being a solid attacker(if he even is and thats a whole different issue) then he will have true value to his clan. Until then he will be 3 starring bases that would have been anyway. hope that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by andrgin

I have a th8 account that is defenseless without gemming and attacking and yes this account also takes part in cw to take care of those enemies that are not worthy to be attacked by dragons. Every base at th7 and below is 3 stared anyway and there are always enough th7 dragon fighters left in the enemy clan so why bother about def in cw at all before th8. Btw. I am winning more than half of the defenses because the enemy does not lure the cc, tres to kill the valk in it with barbarians (very funny to watch), runs out of time because there is simply too mich stuff lying around or he did not know that I have 3 teslas and a lot of traps :D

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I pointed out some discrepancies in your post. The tutorial only makes you build one cannon; therefore, I think anything beyond that defence would not be considered defenceless. Clash on.

This is no more an abuse of the system than what top clans do in the season tournament where they shuffle players around to secure the top part.

This is is no more an abuse of a system than a clan system shuffling players around to have their highest members rank highest amongst clans when pushing.

Theyre re working well within the system with mechanics that exist for everyone.