Preventing Hopers

Clash of Clans already has the right idea with the profile stars. Now all that they need to do is make it to where the longer you stay in a clan and donate troops the more stars you get towards or the better Clan Perks become.

Say if you are donating 100 - 200 troops every season you will get an extra 1% towards Donation refund. Donating 500 to 1,000 troops an additional 2% refund. If you have been in the clan for 1 year you will get 2 minutes less on troop request time and an additional 1% war loot extra storage and so on.

The strategy is in the game already to keep people in a clan. Just need to branch it out more.

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Originally Posted by CaptainSport

For some reason all these anti hopper threads always come crashing down and never does anything useful.

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I dont really care cos i get to donate more... And i have other members who are loyal so i dont get why these people do these threads

Still . . . again . . .

No. This is a bad idea every time it is suggested because it will cause more, worse problems than "hoppers" already represent. Here is pretty much everything you need to know about dealing with hoppers. Both what will happen if you get your way and how everybody else has learned to deal with 99% of them quickly and easily.

First, SC has a long standing policy of not putting a negative statistic/badge/mark/rank/etc. of any kind on any players profile. They have a fairly strict no name-n-shame policy, as they should. You can accept those ideas as ruled out at face value.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

You need to remember who you are complaining about here. Either the player leaving is leaving because you have a poor clan and/or poor leadership, or they are leaving because they have questionable moral integrity. For the sake of argument lets assume you are a wise and effective leader, so this must be one of those d-bags that hangs you out to dry. If you get your way and players are forced to stay or penalized for leaving . . . <fade to foreshadowed scene>

1) D-bag joins
2) You start war
3) D-bag wants to leave but can't (SUCCESS!!! He is stuck with you now!!!)
4) D-bag is a d-bag and wants out, so he decides to get kicked out
5) So he fills war castles with goblins and wallbreakers
6) And fills donations with goblins and wall breakers
7) And turns your clan chat into something that makes global look like bible study
8) And defames your clan on global
9) Then wastes both attacks in the war anyway
9a) Set their base up so it is super easy to 3*
10) And continues to fill war requests with ♥♥♥♥ troops
11) Maybe even comes to the forums to badmouth you and your clan
12) You kick them out
or
12) Your other clan members leave because you won't kick out the D-bag

Remember, this is already a person who doesn't care if they hurt your clan. Long story short, you are requesting a way to force people who don't want to be in your clan, who you don't even want in your clan, to be stuck in your clan. NOTHING good can come of this. Bad idea every time it is suggested.

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Also, in an effort to not only help the OP understand the horrible repercussions of their idea, here is a list of many of the most common things successful clans do to prevent "D-bag hoppers" from being a nuisance (a nuisance, not a problem). Quoting myself from a recent thread again . . .

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Most people who switch between clans do it for very good, fruitful reasons. Since the game can't tell these players from your much maligned "hoppers" the majority of us would end up penalized because a few players who didn't want to be in your clan but you let in anyway. The truly nefarious hoppers are usually very easy to spot and deal with. Players who are genuinely searching for a clan are simply part of the game, just like people searching for the right job are a part of real life. What you have hear is a clan management problem. One all of us have experienced and learned from. It has been discussed on the forum many times. Here's how most of us have solved this.

1) Set the clan to invite only.
2) Don't give elder to anybody who can't conduct themselves as an adult
3) Don't give Co-leader to anybody you don't trust
4) Make sure both elders and Co's understand that it is ok to accept new members
5) Make sure they understand they are expected to BOOT new members if
5a) They introduce themselves by asking for troops
5b) Introduce themselves with profanity
5c) Introduce themselves with some form of "rate my base!!!!"
5d) Don't respond when welcomed
5e) Ask for elder/Co in the first conversation
5f) Start filling castles with ♥♥♥♥
6) Clan rule that new members don't participate in the first war (Opted out by leader/co)
7) Only recruit 1-2 new players between each war, none during

Others may chime in with additional ideas but those are the basic ones. Follow those and hoppers will end 99% instantly. Not to mention you will crack a smile when you apply your boots to their crack.

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All of us clan leader types have experienced this and learned to preventing through our own leadership skills and clan rules. There is no need to institute a system that will punish the most social and giving players while making the lowest quality players more destructive.

In my time on the forum here I still have yet to see the answer to this simple question. Why do you want to force somebody that you don't want in your clan, to be stuck in your clan?

Hey Ice,

Your generic response doesn't really work well with this one. I think the part with the "negative" statistics was really the only part you needed but this thread doesn't ask for people to not be able to leave or anything of that sort...

I also don't necessarily get the idea of "negative statistics". Statistics are statistics, facts. I mean right now, someone can look at my achievements before allowing me in their clan and see how many MP Battles I have won, how many troops I have donated (up to 25,000) and how many stars I have gotten in wars. Aren't these "negative" statistics if the person reads them and views me unfavorably because of them? Or are they positive statistics because I think they show I am a good clan member?

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Originally Posted by ShaneHed13

Hey Ice,

Your generic response doesn't really work well with this one. I think the part with the "negative" statistics was really the only part you needed but this thread doesn't ask for people to not be able to leave or anything of that sort...

I also don't necessarily get the idea of "negative statistics". Statistics are statistics, facts. I mean right now, someone can look at my achievements before allowing me in their clan and see how many MP Battles I have won, how many troops I have donated (up to 25,000) and how many stars I have gotten in wars. Aren't these "negative" statistics if the person reads them and views me unfavorably because of them? Or are they positive statistics because I think they show I am a good clan member?

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Hey Shane,

Beyond the "negative statistics" part, the rest of my often repeated post is still very valid for the OP to understand why it is a bad idea and what already works to solve his problem. It is the information dump that he needs to purge his clan of unwanted hoppers.

As for negative statistics, I think you are being intentionally obtuse about this. The OP is asking for a statistic that will help him label a person as negative. That is the ONLY reason he wants this. For the single point of shaming them. Your reference to existing statistics doesn't fit either because they are "do more and get a reward of gems" accomplishments. So based on the format of every other statistic in your profile you would need to join at least XXX number of clans to get the gem reward . . . exactly the opposite of what the OP wants. He just wants a way to identify people he might not like. A badge of shame. You know it, I know it, he knows it.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Hey Shane,

Beyond the "negative statistics" part, the rest of my often repeated post is still very valid for the OP to understand why it is a bad idea and what already works to solve his problem. It is the information dump that he needs to purge his clan of unwanted hoppers.

As for negative statistics, I think you are being intentionally obtuse about this. The OP is asking for a statistic that will help him label a person as negative. That is the ONLY reason he wants this. For the single point of shaming them. Your reference to existing statistics doesn't fit either because they are "do more and get a reward of gems" accomplishments. So based on the format of every other statistic in your profile you would need to join at least XXX number of clans to get the gem reward . . . exactly the opposite of what the OP wants. He just wants a way to identify people he might not like. A badge of shame. You know it, I know it, he knows it.

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I do get your point, he is asking for statistics that will help him make an informed decision to whom to let in his clan. I would like to reiterate, I personally do not care one way or another, our clan doesn't have this problem, and I think that most clans can do very simple things to not have this problem. I don't necessarily think that the OP is wanting these specifically to label and shame individuals, but also to help identify possible good clan members. This could prevent people whom have a good track record form trying to join clans who are (rightfully) skeptical of new members, opting them out of wars, taking any request for troops as a bad sign.

I guess, again not caring if this is implemented or not, I don't think that its awful for potential clans to know how potential members have done in previous clans, it is a resume. I hate to put out sports analogies but if you are running any sort of team, baseball for instance, you are going to want to know their batting average, games played, number of fielding errors etc. This could make it difficult for some people to get into clans, but hell, if i get fired from 5 jobs, I am probably going to have a hard time to get a new job. If I bat .150, I am probably not going to get picked up by a team.

We keep thinking about this as a way to prevent terrible people to get into clans, and in everyone's defense, that is how it is ALWAYS presented. I can say that should our clan fall apart, I will be irritated if I join a new clan and I have to sit out for a number of wars, donate my high end troops for X amount of time before they "accept" me as a quality member, because I am a quality clan member, and have a proven track record of it, but nobody can see it.

I guess banning and join clan time can be added.

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Originally Posted by ShaneHed13

. . .I guess, again not caring if this is implemented or not, I don't think that its awful for potential clans to know how potential members have done in previous clans, it is a resume. . .

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Like you, I don't care if it is implemented or not. It won't impact me one bit because of the second part of my often quoted post. SC is the one who cares. They will loose huge amounts of business if they name-n-shame their customers. I know I have shunned businesses for practices like those in the past and I certainly would again, even when the finger wasn't being pointed at me.

This is why SC has a long standing "no negative statistics" policy. This is why it will NEVER be lifted. That is why the OP's request is wasting all of our time. Any suggestion of "make a statistic so I know I don't like someone" will be flatly rejected, and rightly so.

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Originally Posted by Bolson

I would like to see on a players profile:

How many clans a person has been in
Average length of days in a clan
how many times kicked from a clan

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This allows players to be ostracized, discriminated against or being judged unfairly. Not what SC has intended for this game.

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Originally Posted by Bolson

I guess, but I thought this was a forum where you could present ideas or suggestions as to what people would like to see. I presented an idea and it seems like people in this forum has ruled it out. I guess I didn't understand that you worked for Supercell and it was decided that this was idea that your company didn't want to pursue. I am glad that somebody from the company read it.


or maybe these forums are a waste of time, and nobody from supercell reads them.


in any case we will continue to operate has we have for the last 9+ months. What I really found offensive was being called gullible for offering a suggestion or having the assumption cast on me that our clan was burned. I have seen this topic discussed in the past, and I offered something that would help solve the problem. People would show a little more discretion in choosing the clans to enter, and people accepting them would have a little more information.

Again, I thought this was a place to offer suggestions. I won't make this mistake again

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I don't work for Supercell, but you know that, and your attempt at sarcasm instead shows how stupid this is. If I don't work for Supercell then why are you arguing their decisions with me?

They stated their feelings on this being negative stats in response to people writing them to argue that they should not see things that way. I know what the responses were because I was one of those people arguing it with them.

Yes its a place to offer suggestions. But its not a place to offer them with the expectation that you will hear nothing but how wonderful your idea was. I think you might have had that expectation given how you are now sort of criticizing people for giving you facts and data that didn't say what you wanted.