The ban has been lifted. Thank you to all who supported Don Tuan during this time.
Thank you Supercell for listening to the community and righting this wrong.
Sincerely,
Proud Original Member of TexasFight (best WAR clan ever)
The ban has been lifted. Thank you to all who supported Don Tuan during this time.
Thank you Supercell for listening to the community and righting this wrong.
Sincerely,
Proud Original Member of TexasFight (best WAR clan ever)
Uuuuum, read Rule 19 of the forums rules thread...
I looked into this and this legitimately seems as though someone is trying to sell someones account as a revenge. The stuff doesn't line up. In the ad he cant see his own traps, there are multiple return to home buttons, and in the layout editor it shows a town hall 10 when the play in question is a town hall 9. I say ban the person who fabricated this.
Wow that is pretty obvious! Supercell just bans i dont think they actually look at any evidence, and with the non existent cs it will be several months if ever that he will get his account back. Pretty low for a clasher to do this and be that petty.
in case you can't find it. . .
" 19. You may not discuss publicly any (disciplinary) actions taken by staff, moderators or support such as banning, closing forum threads, deleting forum posts / threads etc. This also includes posting publicly any private messages / emails you have received from either staff, moderators or support. *NEW* "
sorry to hear about your friend, but rules are rules & instead of making a thread giving more publicity to the issue at hand, you should go to the only people who can help you with the matter, go IG and go to the Help & Support and push the Contact Us, or contact them outside of the game with all the information you showed here. Hopefully justice is served how it should be. GL
EDIT: while this does pertain to FORUM's, I still believe it holds key as I have seen many others tell OP's the same thing. At any point, this is not the place to make it change....go to the people who can really help you & get as many members you can to do the same.
I agree, the most telling is that the first preview of the base, which is probably Don's real base, is of a TH9 while the profile views are all of TH10s.
Contact support directly, the forum is not the place for this conversation.
All this thread is going to do is let other trolls know how to screw others over.
Terrible, this thread needs to be deleted.
The rule does not distinguish between forum staff and game staff. Technically, any staff you see on the forum are game staff, all real employees of Supercell. It's moderators who are players/unpaid.
The rule still applies in this situation.
Multiple members have contacted the support and they blew us off and didn't hear us out. Now it is time to bring it to the people, the members of Clash of Clans to right the wrongs that have been committed.
#freedontuan
♥♥♥♥! That's a rude way to get rid off somebody you dislike! HAHAHAHA. :P
This is just wrong supercell... They better unban this guy.
Did you not hear him before? He said they had multiple clan members contact supercell, but as usual supercell doesn't care enough to help their players. This is a last effort to help their friend get unbanned. lol at people like you who still side with supercell, you guys are the most loyal pets.
oh wow, this is epic. hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. to spend all that time to get her revenge. disturbing.
I hope he will get unbanned soon...
That really suxx for your leader. I hope SC does something about it. Pretty sad the extent that kicked member went...I guess some ppl don't take rejection well. Hate to be the bf that breaks up with her in real life. :facepalm:
Really SC.. :facepalm:
I hope your leader get your account back asap.
if it was fake then whats the point jokes on him now. sorry for your loss
So when SuperCell suspends someone/clan "claiming" something like an offensive remark was put in a clans description they do not have to provide proof! Really! SuperCell do you not know how stupid that makes this gaming company look?!?!
This shouldn't be a way to get anyone's account banned. Maybe supercell employees should do their jobs and not ban people without looking at the evidence.
If i wanted to buy or sell an account, I would google it and that website would be the first link that pops up.
OR Supercell can get their $*** together and do their jobs correctly. They ban someone who's clearly been trolled yet they continuously allow automatic programs that run COC and end up with 10,000 attacks per season. This post would NOT help trolls bc there's plenty of evidence showing that if SC were competent this is Not a viable trolling method
Sure if I wanted to buy an account I could find out where to do it but why advertize it here.
I also know where to go and buy a car but ford/toyota etc still advertise why do you think they do that?
Regarding supercell doing their job, with all the people here pointing out where this guy went wrong, future trolls will eventually get it right and there wouldnt be a way to tell who is selling their account and who is being framed.
He's not advertising anything, It's part of the evidence. he's not telling you to buy an account right?
Do you know how long and strenuous task it would be to perfectly Photoshop something like that? You would need to have some serious Photoshopping skills to perfectly photoshop every trap pixel by pixel without any disfiguration, and somehow guess the locations of each one. It can't be done.
apparently all you have to do is accuse somebody of something to get them banned. Supercell clearly doesn't even look at the evidence. This Don Tuan ban is a perfect example of that. No protection for the innocent from trolls, and no appeals are heard, and no repercussions for the false reporter. :straightface:
Well, there's nothing we can do about it..
SC is not going to give a damn to this post
So to save ONE friend, you think it's a good idea to inject this idea of getting people banned for hundreds, if not thousands, of other clashers around the world?
Real selfish of you.
Bingo
They sure as heck do need evidence and they do check, just because you don't know what terrible message that may have gone up by a Coleader doesn't mean it didn't happen. I'll admit, I don't check my Clan description too often, but we should be if you are a good leader of your clan.
While I was able to determine it was a fake because I was looking for it, anyone not looking for forgery isn't going to catch that. They saw an account being sold and they acted on it.
Supercell.net would tread highly in all search engines, so having this information posted to this official forum would ensure the highest level of exposure. That's why discussing h@cks, et all, is not allowed...
They did their job to the best of their ability. They receive thousands if not more message regularly, they don't have the time to sit there and analyze every pixel of an image. I wouldn't have noticed the difference in TH had I not been told to look for it.
They look, but they aren't performing forensic investigations here... they have hundreds of things to do throughout the day, lingering and analyzing one image in great detail would severely hinder their support operation...
Axion,
No, this shouldn't be a method of getting people banned, again supercell should do their jobs right and not ban people for nothing. And thousands of people own Photoshop which is an expensive tool? And they've reached a professional level using it? And these people somehow know their victims gem count, xp count, and trap location. Try again.
Supercell needs to look if any foul play is involved. they can't just simply glance at an image and auto-ban people. This is one of the responsibilities of support. If they see an account being sold they need to be 100% sure it's legit and the image hasn't been altered in anyway. Doing this ensures issues like this don't arise.
No ones asking supercell for forensic investigations. we're simply asking for them to do their job right and not ban players that don't deserve it. And how long would it really take to analyze an image? I'd say 30 seconds max.
He wouldnt be part of the problem if staff actually looked over evidence instead of blindly /instantly banning people. There should be no need for an appeal in This case, as it never should have happened. This is a 3 billion dollar company they need to invest a little bit more in staff for support etc.
I'm not defending their action, but this is not something you discuss in public.
One person being banned, while tragic, is better than teaching people how to get 1000's of people banned.
I'm sorry, but I'm more of a big picture guy, I'm not naive enough to think publicly discussing this type of topic will fix anything. It will make the problem worse.
I'd rather be a mindless, dumb sheep then the one responsible for disseminating information that got 1000's of other clashers banned.
PM staff, PM Moderators, but public discussion is a terrible idea.
They looked over it and you know it, this is all making a mountain out of a mole hill.
It's obvious to all of us because we were told to look for it. A customer service rep, who has thousands of emails and chat requests to go through, isn't going to spend the time to analyze every dang pixel.
Contact staff and moderators in PM
Well, I haven't seen this before, but it sure is scary. Maybe this is what it will take to change how SC reviews the banning process?
@OP: keep contacting support. The squeaky wheel gets the grease they say.
Also, PM a mod and see if they can get another channel of communication to SC open.
@rest of replys, take a breather mates, we don't need to be attacking each other.
Hope it all gets sorted out.
If we don't make this public, Supercell will never be aware about how serious this problem is and just turn a blind eye on this matter. They just never really care about their players unless it brings them profit, if only one or two players are having this problem, why should they care? they quit, SC loses nothing
if one million players have same problems, then they will care (out of fear of losing money)
they make millions of dollars everyday, lack of man power is no excuse for terrible service, even if hundreds of thousands reports are coming hourly, it is still their job to throughly check every single one of them with extra care. they can just hire as many people as possible with their super huge profit.
Well, when we start seeing more threads like this, we can go back and reference this thread to find out who is to blame for letting the trollers of the world know how to get people banned.
Great job.
Hmm. I personally support this thread, no one, ABSOLUTELY no one, should have their account banned when he/she is an honest player, especially considering how much time is invested into each account.
It only takes 30 seconds to review an image, simple autobanning people just isn't the way things should work! If they've set up a support system they have a duty to make sure it's actually effective!
And i expect everyone already knows that theoretically, you can get someone banned through the method told by OP. It's pretty much common sense. We already know Supercell doesn't pay much attention per account, so theoretically its pretty easy.
Awareness should be raised about this issue so that Supercell can at least fix their policies so that such issues won't ever develop at all!
i support this thread.
yes it may makes people follow this way if thwy have grudge, but seriously SC will just ban hundreds of people later without strong proof?
if they CHECKING everything before ban, we not need to worry for this kind of thread.
this is wrong. clearly way too wrong. sigh..
p/s: staff do make mistakes. they human too. hope they do better next time. and not to forget, unban this guy.
Supercell can check forum poster's IP and account IP. If they are any where near each other they have the right to ban you.
#freedontuan :thumbsup:
It's not about mistakes it's about refusing to correct the mistakes... Have your entire clan review them badly on game center or google plus.. Enough is enough, we tried reasoning with them. Now it is time for action!!
To the OP, might be best if you drop the details of how one can do this, as others do have a good point on where people can learn from this to get others banned.
So now the rest of the thread can stay, so SC (if they look, never know) can realise what a big thing this is. But considering all the other threads about unfair banning have been ignored/deleted I'm afraid to say you're fighting an uphill battle with only to find a desert at the end.
All I can say is to repeat the others, PM all of the mods (not at the same time) etc.
Only time will tell, and I'm sorry this has happened.
I do also agree that more work could be done on SC's part even with the high number of messages coming in, there is always a solution to that. Lets hope they find it and can start to take care of the players more.
theangryewok is right, we don't need to fight each other on this. I just believe showing the way to do this isn't the best method.
You'll get further by contacting the people on this list in a Private Message without exposing this filth to more people.
http://forum.supercell.net/showgroups.php
So people would rather spread the word for Don, even if it could risk the future of thousands of Clashers.
When they know they can petition this through private channels.
You have the list, every one of you that cares sends a message to SuperSteve, you'll get further ahead then continuing on with this thread...
None of them are online right now, which explains why this thread is still open...
I'm late to the party, but SuperCell definitely goofed on this one :facepalm:
All I'm saying, like I'm sure AxionXD is saying is this doesn't need publicity. So you sent them stuff? SEND THEN MORE. AND THEN MORE, THEN MORE UNTIL YOU HEAR AN ANSWER.
This forum is run by SC yes, but who constantly views it? Who constantly is feeding into it? THE CLASHERS. Go to the main page look how many GUESTS & how many actual MEMBERS are viewing right now, I guarantee you that the GUEST outweigh the MEMBERS, the last thing we want (us who actually stalk these forums to be of help) is seeing more identical posts of the SAME EXACT THING. Why do you think SC bans the word ♥♥♥♥♥, BECAUSE THEY DON'T want to publicize what shouldn't be, whether it be RIGHT or WRONG....
Is it wrong he was banned, if it wasn't him? YES.
Is it worse to feed the minds of lesser Chiefs, to take out their Leaders from the clan they were kicked from? YES.
As much as I'm sure everyone here would like to bring your friend back...we can't.
But SC can. SC can help you. NOT US.
All we can do is voice opinions. Go to the people who can really help you and don't stop asking until they let you know something.
It's that simple.
The guy better be unbanNed and supercell needs to give him $50 worth of gems for his trouble.. that's just stupid what supercell did.. hope they start doing more research before they start banning people..
I actually think it's a good thi bc this thread is on The public forums. at least now people know that SC has some goof balls working for them. Plus it will hold SC accountable to this mess and I'm sure they'll make sure it doesn't happen again.
A new problem (I think) from its kind.
Supercell are the ones to help you and your friend and I am sure they will :) 😀😃😄😉😊☺️
Just more evidence that this forum is in need of more active/responsive moderation.
#FreeDonTuan
#AllAccountsMatter
#freeDonTuan
I think this should require everyone to post how old they are at the end of each comment.
Such small minded aspects. Supercell does not want h@ckers or problem players in their game but some good people do slip through the cracks. This is a new trend that I hope doesn't get traction, BUT IT WILL if this thread continues to stay on the first page.
I gave you all the list to all the forum moderators and supercell staff.
How many of you have written to EACH of them rather than reposting (read spamming) hashtags.... it's like Kony 2012 all over again...
Instead of taking care of this like you should be, through private channels, you blast it on a forum that has thousands of people viewing?
I don't think it shows it anymore but this forum would have upwards of 5000+ viewers on the site at any given time. All learning how to get people banned.
Why would they not be looking for it? I think you are having trouble comprehending what "do your job" means. It means do all of it. Not part of it. Banning an account for doing something wrong when the evidence that they aren't is right in front of you is the very definition of not doing your job.
#FreeDonTuan
#AllAccountsMatter
Somehow I think you would be singing a different tune if this happened to you. I know one thing you'll respond back with is "I'd approach it differently" and I know you would. However, its clear this person should have had deeper 'investigation' and this thread will help that 'case'.
That's a shame for SC. I'm sorry for you and the player who got banned. But on the other hand, you are inspiring a lot of people who hate someone to do that, and because of ONE player, THOUSANDS of others will have the same problem, if SC keeps banning people like that.
Doesn't change the fact that you have the list of Supercell staff now, you have customer service contact and that by making this known is not going to solve Don's problem but cause more problems for other clashers and cause problems for support.
So they finally were able to get responses down to a few days for service, but thanks to you geniuses, not only will they have to analyze every pixel of very email that comes in, but will have to figure out who was wrongfully banned by someone following the procedures learned from this thread and who was legitimately banned for selling their accounts, or other TOS violations.
Got a problem with your gem purchase? We'll book you for next spring....
So answer my question, how many moderators and staff members have you PMed today?
Of course I'd approach it differently. I know how to PM Daddy, or any other moderator, and I know they are responsive and will help. It's nothing that would happen over night and publicly blasting it won't make them respond any faster.
This thread will help do nothing more than teach 3,200 people that have VIEWED this thread in the last FOUR hours how to repeat this process on someone else...
didn't the OP already said that he seeked support from SC already, but receive no support at all?
i personally experienced such things many times as well, that's why i can understand.
As long as the problem only affect very small amount of people, SC will never make some effort to help them.
The only way for them to realize this grave mistake is to make this publicly known and make them realize this grave mistake, then correct the mistakes to make the problem completely disappear.
read my previous post, SC makes huge profit everyday they have no excuse of not having enough man power to look at every single report with extra care, even if thousands of report are coming hourly
http://i61.tinypic.com/10ekgw8.jpg
And most reports of anything take a few days to get a response.
All the OP has said is that they were "blown off" yea, i'm sure they were. OP, how long did you wait before putting it on blast here on the forums?
And why isn't Don himself in here protesting on his own behalf?
Every person that read this thread, read the first page, the first post, has a basic understanding that they can pretend to sell someone else's account and get them banned. That number is what is shown on the General page as the page views of this thread. I made no assumptions that they would do BAD things with that knew found knowledge, but that now the knowledge exists. It's up to you to determine or assume what percentage of that number will use this to their nefarious advantage.
And me continued responding doesn't matter, there's enough discussion that will keep this thread on the first page and exist altogether. I'm sure it'll be deleted once a moderator connects online.
I mean if she had all the time to do this over being kicked out of a clan she must have no life at all XD
Sc Mods: *spit out coffee* "Oh man, Axion has been ranting on a thread for hours, bringing attention towards the thread he believes shouldn't exist so people don't continue doing this, thus completely contradicting his view. Better ban him so this thread gets less attention.":smirk::smirk::smirk::smirk::smirk:
Axion,
We HAVE been blown off by support. we have been plagued with this troll from months now. (She was Kicked about two months ago). She has has threatened our leaders with reporting them so they will be banned on a consistent basis via messages in join requests. she has already had DT banned once for a fictional "Inappropriate base design". She came on claiming responsibility, and saying "enjoy your ban, more to come!" We have reported with screenshots of her threats, and have just received auto-bot style responses. She told us awhile ago that DT will be banned because there is a post of "him" selling his base. When the ban was handed down, most of us reported in-game to supercell with proof. again we have all only received Auto-bot style responses. THAT is why we are taking it to any medium we can, to right this injustice!
And why isn't Don himself in here protesting on his own behalf? Because he has a loyal Clan fighting for him! hell, he may not even be aware of this thread.
The more people that hear about it and know about it the better. perhaps this will cause SC to actually look into claims of wrong doing instead of just across the board banning.
Cheers.
TexasFight
Once again SC not looking at evidence you can clearly see it's a th10'you can't make a mistake like that
Just come across this and created an account to join in and express my concerns at the way this is being handled. I have been playing this game for 2 years and what has happened here is outrageous and indefensible. SC need to stop sitting on their hands and sort this out.
And if thousands of people did this it may not be a bad thing as SC would then need to put proper procedures in place and follow proper processes.
Remember Axion - Bad things happen when good people do nothing.
It's sad how I might get banned after more than 2 years and +1000 $ spent by others laying of photoshoping stuff on me .. and no one would help me in support and when I try to get the next best support in the forum I get annoyed by supercell fanboys .
just leave him alone already !! He have a really good reason for writing this topic and I wish supercell help him out .
I agree with this. If this is true, perhaps Supercell should consider spending some of the revenue they generate to increase their support staff. I hope that this kind of error is rare, but their apparently policy of ban first and look later is just not acceptable unless errors like this are addressed in a timely manner.
It's like talking to a brick wall with most of you.
I have yet to hear a single one of you answer my important question: How many of you actually contacted ANY of the Staff members and moderators from this list
http://forum.supercell.net/showgroups.php
That's the group that's going to help.
#FreeDonTuan isn't going to help
This thread is not going to help.
I keep responding because it doesn't matter whether it's me or someone else, this has been staying on page one regardless. And Search engines don't care if you're on page 1 or 1001, it'll trend and index the same.
I feel for Don, and you guys definitely have a stalker situation going on, but you need to hit those contacts from the link above and get them to do something. They will, Daddy is a good person to talk to, he'll help. But letting people know about this tactic is the most moronic thing any of us have done this week, and there's still the weekend left.
Do something, send a Private Message to the moderator and staff. All of them.
This thread won't fix anything, it will only make things worse in the long run. As upset as you are about Don, how much more upset will you be knowing you started this negative trend?
For what it's worth, I warned a long time ago that things like this could easily happen. I even gave examples of how easy it is to alter someones clan description. Guess what? I got an infraction.
There is def some truth in what you're saying but the more awareness there is of this the more likely the mods and staff are to see it. I'm not saying it nessicarily is allowed but it certainly is pathetic that someone would be banned from this when I have shown evidence if players doing far worse things and they never even received a warning from supercell. If a player were actually trying to sell their account I do think they should be banned but there are major reason why this play seems innocent.
OP- The above forumer is correct when he/she says you also need to take it up with staff directly but as so many of us know that sometimes can feel like you're talking into a black hole. I for one understand this situation as I've been in a similar place. I hope this issue gets resolved shortly
Hes 100% right. Making a forum post about it isn't going to help. Mesage a mod (preferably the player who actually owns the account the devise is on.) and also message in game. This is clearly a fake sell and isn't hard to notice as the pictures do show a townhall 10 and other stuff that makes it clear it is a fake.
Supercell customer support working as usual.
Post needs to be read by more people. The banning process doesn't follow any rhyme or reason. Bans need to be handed down after SC does its own investigation. Not simply because some basement dweller reports another player. I would guess that no research was done on SC's part, and it was pure laziness on the part of whoever pushed it up the line. This guy should get a pack of gems if he is not responsible for the post that caused his ban.
Sometimes I hate Supercell for this. They make a great game, but they don't investigate much. Do as the others said but I don't guarantee a quick response.
They are a slow train when it comes to stuff like this. Clash of Clans security management is completely incompetent. This is getting out of control. They need to make protocols for stuff like this, like a checklist to see if its actually the owner selling the base.
I hope you get this fixed.
Guys SC was wrong....this is what I don't like about the forums sometimes always got people who oppose just to upset then we get people fighting
If Supercell had any customer service whatsoever people wouldn't need to post stuff like this here. You're a good toady for them by pointing out the rules but I am sure they could remove this choice if they wanted to.
It's obscene how much money these guys make and they can't even provide basic CS for people.
#freedontuan
1. The game is awesome, the support is not.
2. You catch more flies with honey, but you run out of honey eventually.
3. Hmm. A level 5 war clan with 166 wins, and Members that will go to bat and fight to get their leader back from an unjust ban? Yeah BEST WAR CLAN EVER!
So why when it was clear the person was fake do they still ban the real person? Someone clearly did this in spite.