Breaking Loot Penality argument

Well guys, one of the motives that discorages ppl rush th it's the loot penality
BUT, look this:
Let's assume that a th7 (or below) are attacking a th7 with:
Full collector's and empty storages
So, the amount avaliable for loot it's 450k each.
Full storages and empty collectors
So, the amount avaliable for loot it's 250k each.
Full storages and full collectors
So, the amount avaliable for loot it's 700k each.
*not including CC cap, that it's 56k for th7*
now let's see a th7 looting a th8 with:
Full collector's and empty storages
So, the amount avaliable for loot it's 600k each.
Full storages and empty collectors
So, the amount avaliable for loot it's 300k each.
Full storages and full collectors
So, the amount avaliabe for loot its 900k each.
But, with lvl 4 troops and probably no hero, the farm it's very dificult, so, a th7 can't get a storage raid on a th8 or even on a th7 with farm troops.

If this person rush to th8, so, the amount avaliable for loot from a th7 will be:
225k for storages
405k for collectors
630k for both
The loot difference it's negligible.
The difference is: a th8 can smash a th7 with barch, and can loot a th8 with gibarch easily + DE it's much easy to get too.
This also works for th9, who can easily barch a th8 for storages with 220 spaces + AQ.
So, there's no motive to worry about loot penality, it's just prejudice the ones that don't upgrade offence. (Premmiers), also remember, u don't want be a premmier, u want to be a rusher :)

disagree? Show me u argument. If u be rude, u'll also be ignored.

btw, ty for u time xD

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Originally Posted by Gabrielalbino

Well guys, one of the motives that discorages ppl rush th it's the loot penality
BUT, look this:
Let's assume that a th7 (or below) are attacking a th7 with:
Full collector's and empty storages
So, the amount avaliable for loot it's 450k each.
Full storages and empty collectors
So, the amount avaliable for loot it's 250k each.
Full storages and full collectors
So, the amount avaliable for loot it's 700k each.
*not including CC cap, that it's 56k for th7*
now let's see a th7 looting a th8 with:
Full collector's and empty storages
So, the amount avaliable for loot it's 600k each.
Full storages and empty collectors
So, the amount avaliable for loot it's 300k each.
Full storages and full collectors
So, the amount avaliabe for loot its 900k each.
But, with lvl 4 troops and probably no hero, the farm it's very dificult, so, a th7 can't get a storage raid on a th8 or even on a th7 with farm troops.

If this person rush to th8, so, the amount avaliable for loot from a th7 will be:
225k for storages
405k for collectors
630k for both
The loot difference it's negligible.
The difference is: a th8 can smash a th7 with barch, and can loot a th8 with gibarch easily + DE it's much easy to get too.
This also works for th9, who can easily barch a th8 for storages with 220 spaces + AQ.
So, there's no motive to worry about loot penality, it's just prejudice the ones that don't upgrade offence. (Premmiers), also remember, u don't want be a premmier, u want to be a rusher :)

disagree? Show me u argument. If u be rude, u'll also be ignored.

btw, ty for u time xD

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OK, here's an argument. Those th8 troops are expensive to get. That means you need to save up a lot of resources to get them. And to do that, you need defenses good enough to protect those resources.

So your argument only works if going to a new th would automatically give you max troops. Or if you are willing to gem the resources. But if you are planning on saving up that much elixr, you'd better have the defenses to at least deter most raiders. Otherwise every epic raid you do to get massive loot will be immediately followed by an equally epic fail which will loose you everything you just raided.

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Originally Posted by Bulldog241

So your argument only works if going to a new th would automatically give you max troops. Or if you are willing to gem the resources. But if you are planning on saving up that much elixr, you'd better have the defenses to at least deter most raiders. Otherwise every epic raid you do to get massive loot will be immediately followed by an equally epic fail which will loose you everything you just raided.

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Not logging off works equally well. With a little dedication a 3-4 hour game session can fetch all the resources needed to dump into an upgrade before you disconnect with nothing left. Additionaly, even with under-leveled defenses a lot of people (depending on trophy range) will just take the free trophies of an exposed-TH and move on giving you a shield without trying for the resources

It is easier for a TH7 to take all the loot from another TH7 (4 Storages) than a TH8 from a TH8(6 Storages) not to mention if you go TH8, you won't farm TH6's as effectively as when you were TH7. Your logic is flawed saying that TH7's can't attack TH7's. Anyways, assuming full collectors and storages is only in a hypothetical situation. Those with full collectors are those who don't spend much time on CoC and thus have little to none in their storages. Vice versa, those who have full storages likely raid alot and thus actually collect loot from their collectors.

Yeah, snipes are very frequent and better than any defense. Im sitting at almost 5mil elixir and 90,000 DE. All im getting is free shields and the ocasional Zapper.

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Originally Posted by Outbreak

Not logging off works equally well. With a little dedication a 3-4 hour game session can fetch all the resources needed to dump into an upgrade before you disconnect with nothing left. Additionaly, even with under-leveled defenses a lot of people (depending on trophy range) will just take the free trophies of an exposed-TH and move on giving you a shield without trying for the resources

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I'm not saying its impossible, just a lot harder with rushed defenses. Its far easier to get troop upgrades with maxed th7 defenses then with rushed th8 defenses.

Not having max defences does not get you attacked more. Most people will take the free snipe or look for collector raids. Plus if you read another thread about rushing you would know that its completely false. For example, 3 lvl3 ad put out 40 more dps than 2 maxed lvl5 ad at th7. I personally dont rush but i understand the arguement. Point in fact a rushed base isnt always weaker than a max if done properly.

Here's the thing people like to ignore. If you're hitting TH7&8 while at TH7, you're farming slower than a TH8, because you can spend less troop raiding the same bases to gain more loot per hour. TH6 provides minimal loot for TH7 due to lvl 10 collectors and 180k loot cap + 0 DE

As a TH8, if you're hitting mostly TH8&9, you're wasting your time, because lvl 6 troops are more time efficient to farm the same amount of loot. TH7 provides minimal loot for any decent TH8, because of lvl 11 collectors and 1 drill

TH9 is where the farming starts to become better, with TH8 having lvl 12 collectors and 2 drills, it makes farming them very profitable. Furthermore, the maxest TH8 with anti-giant base cannot stop a skilled TH9 with gibarch, making maxing those defenses futile. Want to know to funny thing? Those TH9s with TH7 defenses, but TH9 amount + 4 storages are far harder and less profitable to raid than any maxed TH8 out there.

Defenses? TH9 can dump all loot into walls, making losing any loot unlikely, because you have weak defenses which cost far less and easily farmed in one session. When you start working on expensive upgrades, you'll already have maxed TH8 defenses with TH9 amount, making you far harder to raid unless from a TH10

all the info you need^ yup its all about that TH9 buddy

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Originally Posted by Bulldog241

OK, here's an argument. Those th8 troops are expensive to get. That means you need to save up a lot of resources to get them. And to do that, you need defenses good enough to protect those resources.

So your argument only works if going to a new th would automatically give you max troops. Or if you are willing to gem the resources. But if you are planning on saving up that much elixr, you'd better have the defenses to at least deter most raiders. Otherwise every epic raid you do to get massive loot will be immediately followed by an equally epic fail which will loose you everything you just raided.

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I'm telling about smart rushers, and this kind of rusher dint gem th, it means that, if the person could farm for upgrade the th, he can do it again for troops.

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Originally Posted by IHateWalls

It is easier for a TH7 to take all the loot from another TH7 (4 Storages) than a TH8 from a TH8(6 Storages) not to mention if you go TH8, you won't farm TH6's as effectively as when you were TH7. Your logic is flawed saying that TH7's can't attack TH7's. Anyways, assuming full collectors and storages is only in a hypothetical situation. Those with full collectors are those who don't spend much time on CoC and thus have little to none in their storages. Vice versa, those who have full storages likely raid alot and thus actually collect loot from their collectors.

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Why farm th6? Lvl 10 collectors, 250k loot cap from storages..
instead can farm th8, or 9, for more resourses in less time.