Ruled out idea reforms

This thread is the result of conversations I have had on 3 other threads today. It seems I am not alone in thinking this forum has devolved into mostly (not completely so we should not just give up on it) a constant stream of repeated old ideas many of which are ruled out.

As far as the oft repeated ones there is not much we can do about that. The search function is very poor and also people word things too many different ways so that more than half the time the person can't really be blamed. I even see guys saying they searched so its hard to complain at them if they at least tried. (Although the guy earlier today that says he could not find any zapping threads defies credibility a little)

So lets focus on the ruled out ones... here I would like to put together a list of things that need to be done to get guys to not be coming on so heavy with the ruled out ideas. I am breaking them into 2 categories, prevention and enforcement. I am not adding a poll because I want you guys to like me.

Note that nothing is possible without mod support. A lot of what is going to get discussed here is simple enforcement of existing rules. We all try to be polite to them because we know they are here to help us 9and that's appreciated) but the elephant in the room is that in the end we get only sporadic coverage that only as far as I can tell addresses offensive words used in posts (and even there they are kind of wacky about what they think is offensive and what's ok) and spam advertising. I have seen too much else slide to think otherwise and even those things can fester for a surprising amount of time before anything gets done about it. So its time to just say it, either the existing mods need to step it up and do the job or if they are spread to thin then more need to be added until acceptable coverage is possible again.

Prevention

1. Regular review of the Ruled out list. Even if no changes it should undergo a monthly review with a date stamp that says so. if they decide something needs to be un-ruled out move it to the under consideration section. This is to give the list beter credibility than it has today.
2. Requiring x number of posts before being able to start thread. http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...s-and-Features
3. Bouncing guys to the ruled out section for their first time and requiring them to check a box at the bottom
4. A newbie catch facility - http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...Thread-Buttons
5. a new sub-forum for ruled out ideas...because there is obviously a desire to discuss the ideas that have been ruled out for now.
6. (and I have no idea if this is even possible) could moderators promote/appoint trusted members allowing them some powers within a specific forum. such as...move thread (not delete) if 3 or more agree that it should be moved (ie. trustee 1 reads the thread 'multi builders on one project' and votes to move it to ruled out sub forum, trustee 2 reads it and votes the same, unless and until trustee 3 reads and agrees with 1&2 the thread stays where it is)
7. Not sure if it's too hard for them to do, but they could have keywords that make an alert pop up (such as if someone says 'dark spell,') which would notify the person that there is a possibility that the post is on the stickies as ruled out. I'm thinking something like the suggested box at the bottom; picks out keywords, but instead of suggesting related threads it alerts the thread starter that his/her post is a repeat of a ruled out idea. Just a possibility.
8. Subcategories for the main forum to make browsing easier and sticky ruled out frequently requested ideas
9. Ruled Out Thread Handling: Suggestions, Public Announcement, and Mod Reminder - http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...d-Mod-Reminder
10. Would it be possible to arrange for a time/date/forum location to discuss with forum moderators or SC employee how we might be able to help in this forum?

Enforcement

1. Deletion of the threads. At this point guys know te mods don't care so they write right in there that they know its ruled out but they don't care and want everyone to make some noise. Mods need to start doing this much more regularly.
2. The abovementioned cleanup of the list and regular review. There are those of us that would be glad to help but its hard to back a list that says it has not been updated since 2012 and harder still when the OP is throwing that in your face because you can't say too much about that because its true.
3. Consistent enforcement from the forum members. Some of you like to come down on guys for posting ruled out ideas that you don't agree with anyhow and then you turn around and jump on someone else for saying something is ruled out if you personally like the idea. That sort of inconsistency doesn't help. You are for the rules or against it.
4. Better explanations and less acid when guys are being told...I realize some of these are tiring to the point of irritation, but to simply say "ruled out read the stickys" by itself is less than helpful. We can give a little benefit of the doubt by giving a brief explanation as to why. And if its an idea you wish was not ruled out its ok to say so as long as you still make the point that it is.
5. No need to bump threads by saying 'ruled out' 6 times. if you go on one and see that has been said, just close it and report it. Do not add it a second time because that is just bumping. Those that are trying to get their post count up please find another way. (A couple weeks ago someone necro'd an 18 month old thread for no other reason than to say it was ruled out) All anyone is doing by repeating what anyone has said is helping the guy spamming ruled out ideas by giving him his bumps for free.
6. Reporting reporting reporting - If you see a ruled out idea report it. After you say its ruled out report it. After noting someone else has said its ruled out and being properly careful to add anything that bumps it, still report it. Reporting does not bump. (and for gosh sake no need to then add to it that you reported it) If we do get serious about this it will be a flood of reports. But maybe that will jar the mods into stepping up a little more, or for their management to increase the presence.

Putting a stop to ruled out ideas is not suppressing ideas like guys like to sometimes say. it is in fact promoting the spawning of new ideas by preventing them from getting smothered by all the same old ones.

please add your suggestions below. if you have already put up a post in the past about this send me the link in a PM so I can add it up top. If you feel that the forum has devolved because of this behavior then please help to correct that.

Whoa man this might just be your best idea thread yet :p
I agree, especially when it comes to bumping threads by saying its ruled out when it has been previously said and that SC needs to update that sticky!

You know what... I really dislike the human mind at times.. especially now, when trying to read a long thread.

I did read it, but was slows.. and still haven't gotten a feel for all of it yet.

Btw, #2 and #3 on prevention.. I think I've said before those don't work too well. :(

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

You know what... I really dislike the human mind at times.. especially now, when trying to read a long thread.

I did read it, but was slows.. and still haven't gotten a feel for all of it yet.

Btw, #2 and #3 on prevention.. I think I've said before those don't work too well. :(

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They will not solve the problem by themselves I agree, but they will help if done right. #2 is to give credibility to #3.

if the mods don't step up none of this will ever work. So far I don't have a way around that reality.

And don't rank on me for long posts. I don't do it to you man. :-D
(besides, its better than the guys that just say anything to get their post count up)

I honestly don't know how you guys with nose bleed high post counts do not rage/troll more often....
i have only been here a brief time but already spend most of my time fighting with my inner troll for controll of the keyboard.

so, bravo to all of you, and thank you

now for my stupid suggestions

1 a new sub-forum for ruled out ideas...because there is obviously a desire to discuss the ideas that have been ruled out for now.

2 (and I have no idea if this is even possible) could moderators promote/appoint trusted members allowing them some powers within a specific forum. such as...move thread (not delete) if 3 or more agree that it should be moved (ie. trustee 1 reads the thread 'multi builders on one project' and votes to move it to ruled out sub forum, trustee 2 reads it and votes the same, unless and until trustee 3 reads and agrees with 1&2 the thread stays where it is)


i think i started with more ideas than this, but I'm too tired to remember now

anyway...just my two cents

This needs to be implemented. I'm tired of saying "Ruled Out" to so many ideas. People NEED to read the ruled out page before they post. I've even created a shortened link to it since I've had to say it so many times: http://bit.do/ruledout

Not sure if it's too hard for them to do, but they could have keywords that make an alert pop up (such as if someone says 'dark spell,') which would notify the person that there is a possibility that the post is on the stickies as ruled out. I'm thinking something like the suggested box at the bottom; picks out keywords, but instead of suggesting related threads it alerts the thread starter that his/her post is a repeat of a ruled out idea. Just a possibility.
Some words could be:
'donating resources'
'status'
'player search'
'gem mines'

I think you probably get what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by Irthmus12

Not sure if it's too hard for them to do, but they could have keywords that make an alert pop up (such as if someone says 'dark spell,') which would notify the person that there is a possibility that the post is on the stickies as ruled out. I'm thinking something like the suggested box at the bottom; picks out keywords, but instead of suggesting related threads it alerts the thread starter that his/her post is a repeat of a ruled out idea. Just a possibility.
Some words could be:
'donating resources'
'status'
'player search'
'gem mines'

I think you probably get what I'm saying.

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That's actually a great, simple, and easy idea. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

They will not solve the problem by themselves I agree, but they will help if done right. #2 is to give credibility to #3.

if the mods don't step up none of this will ever work. So far I don't have a way around that reality.

And don't rank on me for long posts. I don't do it to you man. :-D
(besides, its better than the guys that just say anything to get their post count up)

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No, I'm not.. well, not directly. Just get annoyed when dyslexia or focus problems crop up. Honestly, it's a miracle I type anything, let alone the amount I have typed. Wish I had that ability 20+ years ago! :mad:

As for the rest, ok. and yeah, fat lot of good it does of there is no Mod support. :(

Oh, as mentioned above... Guess what... There is a rarely used tag feature on the forum. Scroll down, and you should be able to find it. Anyone can modify it. Really easy to see huh? :rolleyes: This kind of layout just doesn't help with forum feature use, and that is one of many examples.

...so no subcategories for the main forum to make browsing easier and sticky ruled out frequently requested ideas?


If your idea is a gem mine and there's a subforum for resource-related suggestions, and a sticky thread on the first page titled Gem Mine - RULED OUT, you're much less likely to start a new thread for your idea. Just sayin'.

Several good suggestions, edited accordingly to add them.

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Originally Posted by Fanboy53

If your tired of bumping ruled out threads then the answer is simple, stop bumping ruled out threads lol easy peasy.

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Its not that - people HAVE to be told that their idea is ruled out or the posting will continue :facepalm:

I feel that people who even comment on ruled out threads should just stop (I'm not innocent:p) Maybe like a PSA to all the forum regulars that says 'Hey, just don't even reply to the ruled out threads, and add your views on a good idea instead.' I also really liked your moderator idea for the IFR subforum. Maybe we could give a few trusted members permission to just delete threads that are obviously ruled out (donating resources, gem mine, etc) Could be on to something good:smirk:


PS: Add some colour or something, my eyes hurtz

as an add on to the (might not even be possible) trustees powers....

move a new thread about someone's 'incredible new unique' idea into an existing thread with the same idea.
and
alter someone's thread title to make it actually describe the topic discussed 'amazing new feature that will fix all problems SC must include in next update' would be retitled 'gems for leveling'


on a different note

what about not bumping new threads with read the sticky....ruled out. instead find an older thread that already addresses the issue and bump it with 'my response to (posters name)'
people might (I doubt it, but might) start getting the idea that their new idea isn't...and reduce the need to rehash old arguments.
probably not worth the trouble, just an idea

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

This thread is the result of conversations I have had on 3 other threads today. It seems I am not alone in thinking this forum has devolved into mostly (not completely so we should not just give up on it) a constant stream of repeated old ideas many of which are ruled out.

As far as the oft repeated ones there is not much we can do about that. The search function is very poor and also people word things too many different ways so that more than half the time the person can't really be blamed. I even see guys saying they searched so its hard to complain at them if they at least tried. (Although the guy earlier today that says he could not find any zapping threads defies credibility a little)

So lets focus on the ruled out ones... here I would like to put together a list of things that need to be done to get guys to not be coming on so heavy with the ruled out ideas. I am breaking them into 2 categories, prevention and enforcement. I am not adding a poll because I want you guys to like me.

Note that nothing is possible without mod support. A lot of what is going to get discussed here is simple enforcement of existing rules. We all try to be polite to them because we know they are here to help us 9and that's appreciated) but the elephant in the room is that in the end we get only sporadic coverage that only as far as I can tell addresses offensive words used in posts (and even there they are kind of wacky about what they think is offensive and what's ok) and spam advertising. I have seen too much else slide to think otherwise and even those things can fester for a surprising amount of time before anything gets done about it. So its time to just say it, either the existing mods need to step it up and do the job or if they are spread to thin then more need to be added until acceptable coverage is possible again.

Prevention

1. Regular review of the Ruled out list. Even if no changes it should undergo a monthly review with a date stamp that says so. if they decide something needs to be un-ruled out move it to the under consideration section. This is to give the list beter credibility than it has today.
2. Requiring x number of posts before being able to start thread
3. Bouncing guys to the ruled out section for their first time and requiring them to check a box at the bottom
4. A newbie catch facility - http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...Thread-Buttons
5. a new sub-forum for ruled out ideas...because there is obviously a desire to discuss the ideas that have been ruled out for now.
6. (and I have no idea if this is even possible) could moderators promote/appoint trusted members allowing them some powers within a specific forum. such as...move thread (not delete) if 3 or more agree that it should be moved (ie. trustee 1 reads the thread 'multi builders on one project' and votes to move it to ruled out sub forum, trustee 2 reads it and votes the same, unless and until trustee 3 reads and agrees with 1&2 the thread stays where it is)
7. Not sure if it's too hard for them to do, but they could have keywords that make an alert pop up (such as if someone says 'dark spell,') which would notify the person that there is a possibility that the post is on the stickies as ruled out. I'm thinking something like the suggested box at the bottom; picks out keywords, but instead of suggesting related threads it alerts the thread starter that his/her post is a repeat of a ruled out idea. Just a possibility.
8. Subcategories for the main forum to make browsing easier and sticky ruled out frequently requested ideas
9. Ruled Out Thread Handling: Suggestions, Public Announcement, and Mod Reminder - http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...d-Mod-Reminder

Enforcement

1. Deletion of the threads. At this point guys know te mods don't care so they write right in there that they know its ruled out but they don't care and want everyone to make some noise. Mods need to start doing this much more regularly.
2. The abovementioned cleanup of the list and regular review. There are those of us that would be glad to help but its hard to back a list that says it has not been updated since 2012 and harder still when the OP is throwing that in your face because you can't say too much about that because its true.
3. Consistent enforcement from the forum members. Some of you like to come down on guys for posting ruled out ideas that you don't agree with anyhow and then you turn around and jump on someone else for saying something is ruled out if you personally like the idea. That sort of inconsistency doesn't help. You are for the rules or against it.
4. Better explanations and less acid when guys are being told...I realize some of these are tiring to the point of irritation, but to simply say "ruled out read the stickys" by itself is less than helpful. We can give a little benefit of the doubt by giving a brief explanation as to why. And if its an idea you wish was not ruled out its ok to say so as long as you still make the point that it is.
5. No need to bump threads by saying 'ruled out' 6 times. if you go on one and see that has been said, just close it and report it. Do not add it a second time because that is just bumping. Those that are trying to get their post count up please find another way. (A couple weeks ago someone necro'd an 18 month old thread for no other reason than to say it was ruled out) All anyone is doing by repeating what anyone has said is helping the guy spamming ruled out ideas by giving him his bumps for free.
6. Reporting reporting reporting - If you see a ruled out idea report it. After you say its ruled out report it. After noting someone else has said its ruled out and being properly careful to add anything that bumps it, still report it. Reporting does not bump. (and for gosh sake no need to then add to it that you reported it) If we do get serious about this it will be a flood of reports. But maybe that will jar the mods into stepping up a little more, or for their management to increase the presence.

Putting a stop to ruled out ideas is not suppressing ideas like guys like to sometimes say. it is in fact promoting the spawning of new ideas by preventing them from getting smothered by all the same old ones.

please add your suggestions below. if you have already put up a post in the past about this send me the link in a PM so I can add it up top. If you feel that the forum has devolved because of this behavior then please help to correct that.

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Couldnt agree more. Glad our conversation earlier helped spark this up. It's so hard to even make good ideas with them getting over run with horrible ideas of the goblin king and ruled out ideas. It's so irritating that you spend so long on a thread that's really beneficial to the wile community just to have some group of fresh spawns toss it to page 100009. The rules out ideas aren't even deleted that quickly earlier and will often just sit there. This is one of the more needed managing sections on the forums. It's pretty clear.

post like yours is why I'm still here and haven't rage quited.

Very helpful ur post.

Or


Perma ban those who post a rule out idea. And delte it right away. Would scare new users into following rules and being sure to read. Or a message when you post in IAFR before you publish it says "be sure to read stickies. Posting a ruled out idea WILLresult in perma ban."

I would just like to add that because of the repetitive nature of people, we have now switched a "ruled-out" idea into a "ruled-in" idea. Some of the ruled out ideas are good, and people come up with different ways of solving the various issues that may be preventing SuperCell from ruling them in.

Just saying, the sheer volume of people wanting to change their name has altered that ruled-out idea.

With enough interest and a solid way to implement it, some ruled-out ideas may become a reality. Clan tournaments anyone?

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Originally Posted by SpeakerForTheDead

I would just like to add that because of the repetitive nature of people, we have now switched a "ruled-out" idea into a "ruled-in" idea. Some of the ruled out ideas are good, and people come up with different ways of solving the various issues that may be preventing SuperCell from ruling them in.

Just saying, the sheer volume of people wanting to change their name has altered that ruled-out idea.

With enough interest and a solid way to implement it, some ruled-out ideas may become a reality. Clan tournaments anyone?

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There's never been a sheer volume of a name change? A sheer volume of a goblin king. Never have there been a outstanding demand of name changes.

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

There's never been a sheer volume of a name change? A sheer volume of a goblin king. Never have there been a outstanding demand of name changes.

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"We’ve heard you -- we’ve heard you loud and clear."--- SuperCell

I see it all the time.

the ruled out section of the sticky is actually

Currently Ruled Out:
Here are some amazing ideas that have been ruled out by the dev time for the time being. Posting these ideas will result in your thread being removed without notice!

which is why I suggested a separate sub-forum for them
things change, and new idea open up new ways of thinking about old problems
which is why people want to talk about them

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Originally Posted by SpeakerForTheDead

"We’ve heard you -- we’ve heard you loud and clear."--- SuperCell

I see it all the time.

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Interesting as I don't and I'm very active. If they heard anything loud and clear TRUTHFULLY it would be about the use of Heros. That's just a sentence to make it sound better.

If if they heard anything it's masterminds idea 1/4 of a million views.

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Originally Posted by Fanboy53

Lol i know your still new to the game but there has been a demand for a name change on here consistently for the two years i have been on the forums and even before that in the game itself.

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I'm new to the game? Lol. Right cause the high volume of post here isn't about goblin king or use of hero or anything like that right? It's about name changes? Um... No. Active right? Post count says otherwise. Cough* April 2015* cough

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

Interesting as I don't and I'm very active. If they heard anything loud and clear TRUTHFULLY it would be about the use of Heros. That's just a sentence to make it sound better.

If if they heard anything it's masterminds idea 1/4 of a million views.

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"We’ve heard you -- we’ve heard you loud and clear. All Clashers want a village with the best possible name, and so many of you have written in to ask for a chance to change the name of it." ---SuperCell

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

I'm new to the game? Lol. Right cause the high volume of post here isn't about goblin king or use of hero or anything like that right? It's about name changes? Um... No. Active right? Post count says otherwise. Cough* April 2015* cough

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I do see you on a lot, harassing people and putting people down. It is neither kind nor helpful to the forums, quite counterproductive in fact. Back to the topic, regardless of what you do or do not personally hear, they have heard the suggestion often enough to change a ruled out idea. Thus, given the proper solution, they are willing to contemplate our frequently requested ideas.

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Originally Posted by SpeakerForTheDead

"We’ve heard you -- we’ve heard you loud and clear. All Clashers want a village with the best possible name, and so many of you have written in to ask for a chance to change the name of it." ---SuperCell





I do see you on a lot, harassing people and putting people down. It is neither kind nor helpful to the forums, quite counterproductive in fact. Back to the topic, regardless of what you do or do not personally hear, they have heard the suggestion often enough to change a ruled out idea. Thus, given the proper solution, they are willing to contemplate our frequently requested ideas.

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I'm sorry you feel that way. ButWhen do I ever put anyone down or harass anyone? If a idea is ruled out in not the guy who's going to say it.

in the guy who's going to say it and give you the recipe to why it's ruled out. So I apologize if you mistake me for saying an idea is ruled out for putting someone down. When someone post an idea assinnine as stealing gem boxes; do I even have to justify for what others say?

As far as "supercell had heard us." Do tell me which one the community has wanted most; the ability to use Heros in war,masterminds quest idea, or a name change? I'll let you simmer as I dont reply to you.


To the op; I messaged daddy regarding the issues we experience . Was told to contact twister which is what I am now doing

maby a new sub-forum for ideas under consideration where the ideas that are not nude and not ruled out could be argued over and ripped apart.

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

I'm sorry you feel that way. ButWhen do I ever put anyone down or harass anyone? If a idea is ruled out in not the guy who's going to say it.

in the guy who's going to say it and give you the recipe to why it's ruled out. So I apologize if you mistake me for saying an idea is ruled out for putting someone down. When someone post an idea assinnine as stealing gem boxes; do I even have to justify for what others say?

As far as "supercell had heard us." Do tell me which one the community has wanted most; the ability to use Heros in war,masterminds quest idea, or a name change? I'll let you simmer as I dont reply to you.


To the op; I messaged daddy regarding the issues we experience . Was told to contact twister which is what I am now doing

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As I said before, "given the proper solution, they are willing to contemplate our frequently requested ideas." This means: they want a solution that its is feasible, cost effective, and/or will make a large portion of people happy. Your ideas may or may not be in the next update, who knows? I am not sure why you are bringing it up though. The main point of my original post is that sometimes, regardless of the current state of affairs, they are willing to change for their customers requests.

This should be obvious to regular forum goers, but I think I may need to say it again.

Tone of voice usually is missing from text, and that can easily lead to assuming implied tone or meaning in someone's message. Even with tone of voice, the same spoken stuff can be skewed towards certain biases, which has been proven repeatedly, with one example I can recall being the varied replies from people seeing a recent State of the Union speech.

Ideas can and will get 'hurt' or 'killed'. People can hold onto thier ideas as if it was a part of them, and feel every attack on it, and can take it as something personal. It is a common reaction, since it is based on a person's ego. They come up with some work on an idea, which can show how smart and able they are, and if it gets shot down, it hurts thier pride. I know some of you are likely chuckling to yourselves, saying something along the likes of how stupid those kind of people are, but you too can fall into that way of thinking too, and not fully realize it!

Why am I saying this? Because I saw some examples of this already in this thread with people arguing over things that aren't totally related to the topic at hand. I know GanjaSandwich, and a few others, and the wording they use can rub against someone the wrong way. Same could be said for me. They aren't trolls, or intending to harrass anyone. Point out the issue calmly, and usually we address it rather quickly.

Also, those two common issues of taking things the wrong way from lack of tone of voice, and pride in one's ideas are also issues that needs to be kept in mind when breaking the news to people about ruled out ideas. (That's right, this rant applies to the thread topic too :p)

Anyway, could go on with a tangent topic... Just please keep the miscommunication and pride in check when working on ideas, OK?

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

This should be obvious to regular forum goers, but I think I may need to say it again.

Tone of voice usually is missing from text, and that can easily lead to assuming implied tone or meaning in someone's message. Even with tone of voice, the same spoken stuff can be skewed towards certain biases, which has been proven repeatedly, with one example I can recall being the varied replies from people seeing a recent State of the Union speech.

Ideas can and will get 'hurt' or 'killed'. People can hold onto thier ideas as if it was a part of them, and feel every attack on it, and can take it as something personal. It is a common reaction, since it is based on a person's ego. They come up with some work on an idea, which can show how smart and able they are, and if it gets shot down, it hurts thier pride. I know some of you are likely chuckling to yourselves, saying something along the likes of how stupid those kind of people are, but you too can fall into that way of thinking too, and not fully realize it!

Why am I saying this? Because I saw some examples of this already in this thread with people arguing over things that aren't totally related to the topic at hand. I know GanjaSandwich, and a few others, and the wording they use can rub against someone. Same could be said for me. They aren't trolls, or intending to harrass anyone. Point out the issue calmly, and usually we address it rather quickly.

Also, those two common issues of taking things the wrong way from lack of tone of voice, and pride in one's ideas are also issues that needs to be kept in mind when breaking the news to people about ruled out ideas. (That's right, this rant applies to the thread topic too :p)

Anyway, could go on with a tangent topic... Just please keep the miscommunication and pride in check when working on ideas, OK?

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Yeah I defenitly can concer on that one. It really does suck that you put a lot of work I. Ideas and they are ruled out (i've had this happen with a no default troop thread that dahami pointed out to me.)

I'm hoping this gets the message across to people we do care about This forum and what it stands for. I can be playing clash of clans right now but instead I'm on a website about it. It's a weird thing to think about but the forums is just a s important as the game.

I've only been browsing the forum for a few months now and only officially made an account this month, but I completely agree. The Ruled Out sticky is only really looked at by those who are trying to come up with a legitimate idea or by those ensuring that someone else's idea is/isn't ruled out.

Many ideas that are posted on this sub-forum are ruled out and when I first made the account my goal was to try to help people understand that their ideas may have been ruled out and I would try to give a very brief explantation as to why. It didn't go well.

Once I tried to notify the OP that a builder idea was ruled out when it was not. I was corrected very quickly by Warren and a few others that I was in the wrong, and that I was being counterproductive in my goal to attempt to clean the forum. I also tried to convince someone that bringing back low level lix-walls wasn't going to be good for the game's economy and future, and he took it very personally. It took a few other posters to get him to understand.

The idea(s) you present will provide a fix to the endless ruled out threads and will stop others from doing what I've done, but instead help improve upon the good ideas.

I really hope this makes its way to one of the mods or one of the SC employees so they can finally improve this sub-forum.

I saw another donating resources idea pop right now and saw like five people comment on it. I really want to push for some kind of sub-forum mod who can lock threads in the IFR sub-forum, like, that would help so much and really clean it up.

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I saw another donating resources idea pop right now and saw like five people comment on it. I really want to push for some kind of sub-forum mod who can lock threads in the IFR sub-forum, like, that would help so much and really clean it up.

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Locking threads would be a huge help as well.

would it be possible to arrange for a time/date/forum location to discuss with forum moderators or SC employee how we might be able to help in this forum?

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Originally Posted by Snivell

would it be possible to arrange for a time/date/forum location to discuss with forum moderators or SC employee how we might be able to help in this forum?

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I guess you could PM one of the mods, but I believe someone on this thread has already done so and is still trying to get a reply from one of the lead mods.

There are mods?

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Originally Posted by MrFailology

I've only been browsing the forum for a few months now and only officially made an account this month, but I completely agree. The Ruled Out sticky is only really looked at by those who are trying to come up with a legitimate idea or by those ensuring that someone else's idea is/isn't ruled out.

Many ideas that are posted on this sub-forum are ruled out and when I first made the account my goal was to try to help people understand that their ideas may have been ruled out and I would try to give a very brief explantation as to why. It didn't go well.

Once I tried to notify the OP that a builder idea was ruled out when it was not. I was corrected very quickly by Warren and a few others that I was in the wrong, and that I was being counterproductive in my goal to attempt to clean the forum. I also tried to convince someone that bringing back low level lix-walls wasn't going to be good for the game's economy and future, and he took it very personally. It took a few other posters to get him to understand.

The idea(s) you present will provide a fix to the endless ruled out threads and will stop others from doing what I've done, but instead help improve upon the good ideas.

I really hope this makes its way to one of the mods or one of the SC employees so they can finally improve this sub-forum.

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Ive personally messaged 2 mods regarding how things are. Both with links to this thread. Nothing has been said so far.


And yes; ive certainly noticed your post and you do a good job :)

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Originally Posted by awesomness2016

There are mods?

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I know, right? :smirk:

Many senior members have said before(especially in this thread) that mods have been absent from this forum and it's leading to the overall downfall of it. We need more/better/active mods to get the ruled out threads to stop.

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

Ive personally messaged 2 mods regarding how things are. Both with links to this thread. Nothing has been said so far.


And yes; ive certainly noticed your post and you do a good job :)

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I try. Thanks for taking the initiative and messaging 'em, I'd be hard-pressed to even find the username of a mod.

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Originally Posted by MrFailology

I know, right? :smirk:

Many senior members have said before(especially in this thread) that mods have been absent from this forum and it's leading to the overall downfall of it. We need more/better/active mods to get the ruled out threads to stop.

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The only mod i've seen here is loopy. Who's An outstanding mod in my op, The head mod for this (twister.) doesn't even exist here. And has been messaged twice by me about this thread.

Loops though very much exist

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

The only mod i've seen here is loopy. Who's An outstanding mod in my op, The head mod for this (twister.) doesn't even exist here. And has been messaged twice by me about this thread.

Loops though very much exist

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Haven't seen 'em in any threads, though it's not like they're required to post on every thread in the forum, and it's not like I've been searching for them.

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Originally Posted by MrFailology

Haven't seen 'em in any threads, though it's not like they're required to post on every thread in the forum, and it's not like I've been searching for them.

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You'll find them eventually. The closed threads generally get deleted or pushed back really quick anyways

I wish there was a forum script that would message back to the thread maker that there title is not good.

Like those post with "Please Read!1!!1" should get an error message to change it, along with, "Moderators and Staff do read every post. There is no need to beg to have your thread read."

"Best/Awesome/Smart/etc.. Idea Evarz!"
"Just the facts please. Viewers would be the judge on how good it is."

"To Supercell..."
"Who else would it be in this forum? Lucas Arts? EA?..."

"Suggestion/New Idea/etc"
"Yes, that is what this forum is for, but what is it? Please put what it is on a few words in the title."

"Please fix Nowz!!1!1"
"Which is it, a suggestion or a bug report? Bug reports go to Bug and Problems forum."

Of course we'd then have people attempting to make threads with bad titles just to see the amusing responses. :smirk:

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

I wish there was a forum script that would message back to the thread maker that there title is not good.

Like those post with "Please Read!1!!1" should get an error message to change it, along with, "Moderators and Staff do read every post. There is no need to beg to have your thread read."

"Best/Awesome/Smart/etc.. Idea Evarz!"
"Just the facts please. Viewers would be the judge on how good it is."

"To Supercell..."
"Who else would it be in this forum? Lucas Arts? EA?..."

"Suggestion/New Idea/etc"
"Yes, that is what this forum is for, but what is it? Please put what it is on a few words in the title."

"Please fix Nowz!!1!1"
"Which is it, a suggestion or a bug report? Bug reports go to Bug and Problems forum."

Of course we'd then have people attempting to make threads with bad titles just to see the amusing responses. :smirk:

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Your sarcastic humor is the best. The worst part is, it'd be an awesome feature that'd work pretty well.

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Originally Posted by MrFailology

Your sarcastic humor is the best. The worst part is, it'd be an awesome feature that'd work pretty well.

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I had sarcastic humor in there? :confused:
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Wait! Was that sarcasm? :saywhat:
(oh the possible irony of it)

Anyway, it got me thinking of maybe using the main villain you see at the start of CoC, the one that you see almost everywhere in the game, as the forum's error message deliver. That way you can get away with wise @$$ remarks, since it is expected from a money grubbing ugly little green skined twerp. It's in his contract after all. How else do you think the picture of him in the League demotion screen, with him pointing at the helper villager in a taunting way was made? (That reminds me, I'm the Chief of the place, and I still don't know her name! How embarrassing. :facepalm:)

Apologies, having partially caused this stir, I stepped back from this for a while (i needed time to think and be clear on what I and probably you guys want aswell) and I largely agree with these reforms:

The only thing I am hesitant on is point 2 of the prevention side of things.

Regarding Ruled out Items:

I agree there should be a subforum and this is how I think it would best work:

1) Moderators and Staff can only add new threads to this, as and when new ruled out items come in.
2) All current ruled out Items have their own thread that anyone can reply to, to keep discussion going as necessary.

All new posts to IFR get moderated before being posted - this is a principle similar to freecycle where emails aren't circulated until they are checked for spam or breaking the rules/ethos of freecycling. Obviously I think there is a growing need for more mods for this to happen IMO and experience.

Regarding Enforcement, Number 1 is imperative to keep the structure as it is and the need for more mods seems to be aparant as there is a lot of cleaning up to do.

Finally outdated threads or closed threads should be in an archived subforum aswell.

Full support if the mod force will back it. They are either spread too thin or ignoring the forums. A couple weeks ago there was a kid who posted the same heavily racist rant on three different forum pages and it sat they all sat there for 10 hours before removed. Unfortunately Welsh, none of these ideas matter when blatant abuses are allowed to go unchecked all day.

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Originally Posted by ironagedave

Apologies, having partially caused this stir, I stepped back from this for a while (i needed time to think and be clear on what I and probably you guys want aswell) and I largely agree with these reforms:

The only thing I am hesitant on is point 2 of the prevention side of things.

Regarding Ruled out Items:

I agree there should be a subforum and this is how I think it would best work:

1) Moderators and Staff can only add new threads to this, as and when new ruled out items come in.
2) All current ruled out Items have their own thread that anyone can reply to, to keep discussion going as necessary.

All new posts to IFR get moderated before being posted - this is a principle similar to freecycle where emails aren't circulated until they are checked for spam or breaking the rules/ethos of freecycling. Obviously I think there is a growing need for more mods for this to happen IMO and experience.

Regarding Enforcement, Number 1 is imperative to keep the structure as it is and the need for more mods seems to be aparant as there is a lot of cleaning up to do.

Finally outdated threads or closed threads should be in an archived subforum aswell.

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Good discussion. I have added some of it to the OP.

Some of it was already covered in the 'be nice' suggestion.

I also saw that argument that ruled out ideas should be brought up and discussed over and over and over 9and over) again because maybe if we yell enough SC will change their mind. I want to clarify that this is very flawed. The poster based their entire argument on the name change ruling which is an incorrect premise that actually shows they are not aware what is going on really.

1. They claimed it was because it was the most suggested. it is actually way down the list. Midddle of the road next. (If you disagree then show me numbers that it is ahead of lightning rod, punish hoppers, Heroes usable during war, donating/trading resources, new flags, and I can go on for a bit here)
2. The decision had nothing to do with the number of forum posts for it. they had a problem crop up in the game stemming from the sheer amount of offensive/inappropriate names out there both blatant and more so borderline. This became a bigger problem more recently with the rapid growth of weaponized reporting (the examination of a war opponent for any little thing that can be reported to bring about a ban and the war advantage that comes with it). They do have to (in order to cover their own tail) warn and ban in response to reports even though they know it is just a game being played by the person reporting. Even borderline cases they have to respond to the eye of the beholder. (who is trying to find trouble in it). This is resulting in just too much volume of disciplinary activity. They are now going to give everyone a bite at the apple to clean it up and hope that if it is easier to do so enough guys will do it and thereby help the problem with the reporting volume. They have always had a mechanism for changing inappropriate names but it was a case by case method never designed for volume. They are going to make a way that can handle volume. And at the same time get out of the business of deciding what is appropriate enough to warrant a change and what is not. (and the next complaint id going to be all the ways guys exploit this for trolling, either from sneaking back into clans under a new identity to troll, or changing the name to match someone else's as a way to mess with them) The point here being that all the guys that griped about the ruled out idea had no bearing whatsoever on the matter and were never right to do so.
3. The regular review (prevention #1) does speak to what happened here. As soon as SC decided they needed to rethink whether to allow name changes they should have moved it to the under consideration list. That of course then makes it fair game for guys to bring up over and over. But if they were in fact considering it then it should be fair game for that. If they are considering something then guys should be free to bring it up regardless of whether the rest of us agree and want to hear it.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Full support if the mod force will back it. They are either spread too thin or ignoring the forums. A couple weeks ago there was a kid who posted the same heavily racist rant on three different forum pages and it sat they all sat there for 10 hours before removed. Unfortunately Welsh, none of these ideas matter when blatant abuses are allowed to go unchecked all day.

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Sigh, agreed.

My post does acknowledge the elephant in the room which is that the mods do fall down on the job. To be fair to them I will add that I suspect its more them being spread too thin rather than just laziness or poor performance. But the bottom line is that it is failing. (That kid with the racist rants was a prime example but we have many others) So to that end I will point out that there are a lot of regulars here that are willing to help and loudly saying so. I have seen several suggestions that involve limited powers being given to guys to move/merge threads. The best I thought were coupled with a grouping of sub forums to move them too. (One being Ruled out idea discussion)

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

Sigh, agreed.

My post does acknowledge the elephant in the room which is that the mods do fall down on the job. To be fair to them I will add that I suspect its more them being spread too thin rather than just laziness or poor performance. But the bottom line is that it is failing. (That kid with the racist rants was a prime example but we have many others) So to that end I will point out that there are a lot of regulars here that are willing to help and loudly saying so. I have seen several suggestions that involve limited powers being given to guys to move/merge threads. The best I thought were coupled with a grouping of sub forums to move them too. (One being Ruled out idea discussion)

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Agreed. Which means what is really needed is a better system that will create less work


Here is what I would propose:


1. Subforums

On the main ideas/requests page, you'd have the stickies that are there now, followed by a series of subsections. You would NOT have the option of starting a new thread in the main section. This would drive people to the appropriate section, making it easier to find posts related to their ideas.

Subsections:

New Troop Related Ideas/Requests
Existing Troop Related Ideas/Requests
Hero Related Ideas/Requests
Spell Related Ideas/Requests
Resource Related Ideas/Requests
Defense Related Ideas/Requests
War Related Ideas/Requests
Game Functionality Related Ideas/Requests (admin stuff like a collect all button, improved censor, pms, etc)
Miscellaneous Ideas/Requests

Note there is no RULED OUT section. This is because most people won't check it. It would be far more effective if, as soon as they got to a subforum, they could see the most popular/ruled out ideas related to that element of the game without having to click anything at all. This could be accomplished with a header, but would probably be better as individual sticky threads, because even if an idea is ruled out, most people really just want a place to express their opinion (however ill conceived or uninformed) and vent, so if you give them a single place to do that, and they come across it without really having to look, it's much more likely they'll post there instead of starting a new thread.

2. Stickies

Each section would have the most popular requests stuck to the top, and the ones that are ruled out could say that as well.

For example, sticky posts for the Resource Related Ideas/Requests section would probably include-

Donating Resources to Friends/Clanmates - RULED OUT
Resource Conversion Building - RULED OUT
Gem Mine - RULED OUT

The initial post would explain this is a popular request, and the reasons it has been ruled out.

Some ideas may fit into 2 sections, in which case they would reside in one section, and the other would have a locked sticky post to redirect to the main post. For example, "Upgrading Walls with Elixir at Lower Levels" might have a sticky in the resource and defense sections, and "Using Heroes in War while Upgrading" would get a sticky in the Hero and War sections.

3. Give a few longtime active mature forum members some mod capabilities.

Obviously there needs to be more hands on deck, and there more than a few folks here that could be trusted to move posts, lock them after posting a link to the appropriate thread/sticky, or possibly even merge/delete.

Good stuff Awesomeness!! (Or does that mean I should be calling it awesome stuff from Awesomeness)


3. Give a few longtime active mature forum members some mod capabilities.

Obviously there needs to be more hands on deck, and there more than a few folks here that could be trusted to move posts, lock them after posting a link to the appropriate thread/sticky, or possibly even merge/delete.

I think this is something they should seriously consider. give us (because I would have to be a volunteer after opening my mouth like this) more traffic cop type duties and then the mods can focus on the more serious infractions. (I.E. We froze a thread because the kid was on a racist rant or because 2 guys had gotten way to personal with each other, etcs.... All we did was stop the poison spewing, the mods can then pick it up from there and decide how to handle) If we are picking up the more mundane duties it frees up their hands to handle the heavier matters requiring a higher level of authority.

LOL, we would be minions.

Doh! :facepalm:
Add a New Subforum: Commonly Requested
I knew I made something like this before, but didn't bother to thoroughly check.

A lot of love for this thread!!!

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Originally Posted by Tpjones

A lot of love for this thread!!!

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A lot of hate for ruled out threads. (only the thread it self, not the people posting them)

So yeah, finally glad something has gotten people's attention on the issue.

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

A lot of hate for ruled out threads. (only the thread it self, not the people posting them)

So yeah, finally glad something has gotten people's attention on the issue.

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Updated again with people's suggestions.