The Unfairness of Equal Xp Set by a Number of Players

Unbalanced XP

It has come to my attention that the first top Lv.4 and 5 clans have not been other than clans full of low levels town hall players. This strategy, not only efficient, it has caused a big debate whether it is fair for clans composed of high Town Hall level players that have been playing Clash of Clans for a long time now. I would like to present my case before making your judgment whether this post is irrelevant or simply interesting. Clan Wars’ Update released on April of 2013 since then some clans were intrigued by it and decided to give it a shot. Very rare were the top warring clans with low levels on them, that technique wasn’t very active then. Progressively the strategy took shape and demanded by top warring clans but many clans didn’t care for it and preferred to farm until the Clan XP and Clan Perks were introduced in the February 2015 update. This brought a whole new meaning to War Clans. Clans are now fighting to be top level clans, it brings easier recruiting for sure but to what cost? A clan full of lv.20-40s with Lv.2-3 troops, players whose experience is limited to the game, and their attack being dependent of the high level troops donated by the few in the clan.

Now let’s talk about the high level clans that you really wish to be in, these guys have it hard. They waste tons of resources, sacrificing for their clan’s needs and not self glory. These guys have clashed together for a long time and been working hard to have a strong War Clan unstoppable to the rest. High level clans worked their way to the top, sacrificed their valuiable time to make Clash of Clans what it is today; a fast, healthy growing community. Who makes those amazing you tube videos? A TH3 base? It is your TH10 buddies who are showing you and sharing their experience with you on how to clash. High level player clans have it hard in match ups, don’t depend on low levels to 3 star 1 base with maxed balloons given to them by an Opted Out TH10. TH10 clans face hard wars and have to be strategically perfect in their attacks to guarantee 3 star for their clan to win. Like I said before, low levels (10-30) just count of maxed ballons donated to them to simply 3 star their mirror base, how fair is that? That low level who 3 starred a base with CC troops is gaining the same experience as a player who used a GoWiPe strategy that took 1.4 hours of his time to make and if his spell factory, IF not boosted, took 3.4 hours to the make and not to count the crazy amount of elixir used. How is it fair that a low level clan has the same experience advantages as a high level clan? It is NOT fair at all.

This problem can easily be fixed by lowering the xp gained by a calculated system, such as the one used to match a clan. This system can work differently by adding the total Town Hall levels and calculate the fair ammount of xp they should be given. Many high Level Clans (Lv.5 Clans) will disagree to this, it is obvious they are ruling the World Top Level Clans at the momment but this message is to the low levels out there. Is your leader a low level? Probably not. Once your clan reaches level 10 do you think he has any further need to have low levels? All clans aim to have high level players to look and be strong. A Champion or high level player will never join a Lv.10 clan with level 20s on it. They already have an amazing established clan and to look into another clan it has to be of the same prestige or better. Even with the 2 level boost perk, a level 20 has level 2 troops. A Champion or a high level won't want level 4 troops, so think of my point of view low levels. In truth of the matter, you are being used until they have no further need for you. This is what is different in high level player clans, if one of their members is doing bad in Clan Wars they just Opt him out until he straighten up. Unlike low level player clans, they kick 4-5 people daily, it is ridiculous how little loyalty they have to one another. All the high level players look for a clan that looks strong and is going the same direction he wants to go, all the way to the top. Like I said, think of how you're being used in your clan, specially if you are in a High Level Clan with low level players.

I reach to the Clash community to help me share this idea that we need a ‘STRONG, FAIR SYSTEM’ to levitate this predicament. Think of fairness and the big picture instead of your own selfish needs. Those TH9-10 War Clans have been loyal to the game, their members. and deserve some fair treatment when it comes to Clan Wars.

This is a small summary of my rough draft before sending my essay regarding this predicament to SuperCell. If you have any ideas or any good points that you think should be added here, please leave a comment and let me know. I will check this thread daily.

If you have rude and foolish things to say because you want to show the world how limited your vocabulary is please don't. Try trolling or feed the trolls somewhere else.

well said OP, I stand behind this 210%

Nice text.

Clan perks has little to no value for TH10s. They are intended for TH7-TH9 which are farming heavily to get them in wars.

Is it fair that 2 staring a TH10 and 2 staring a a TH8 is worth 5 XP if both are in the top 5 spots? Maybe not. But comparing the army cost is not right either. TH8s have huge army cost with all drags. While my TH10 army has roughly the same elixir cost but a huge DE cost.

Most clans full of TH5-TH7 won't live long enough to take advantage of those perks. The clans with experienced warrers will remain together for the longest time.

But if the XP were modulated by strength just like the loot bonus, I would be happy with that.

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Originally Posted by blackcollector

Nice text.

Clan perks has little to no value for TH10s. They are intended for TH7-TH9 which are farming heavily to get them in wars.

Is it fair that 2 staring a TH10 and 2 staring a a TH8 is worth 5 XP if both are in the top 5 spots? Maybe not. But comparing the army cost is not right either. TH8s have huge army cost with all drags. While my TH10 army has roughly the same elixir cost but a huge DE cost.

Most clans full of TH5-TH7 won't live long enough to take advantage of those perks. The clans with experienced warrers will remain together for the longest time.

But if the XP were modulated by strength just like the loot bonus, I would be happy with that.

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Blackcollector, I can't go into detail in a brief summary such as the one I wrote. But when I mean by high level player clans I mean clans that are composed of TH9s and TH10s, with very rare TH8s in them. My clan has 8 players with absolutely Maxed TH9 bases and 1 Maxed TH8. These TH9s can benefit from the Troop Level Boost perk but what my point is that it is not fair that a clan that faces hard match ups is going at the same pace and gaining same experience as a low level player is in his clan. You brought the point of elixir cost. You're talking about TH8s but the people who I am referring to are TH4-7. The greater % of players in the top Level Clans is composed of TH4-7. Your point is true but those majority of the TH8s you are talking about are in decent, well established clans and not the ones I am talking about.

Like I said. A clan full of TH4-TH7 won't live long enough to take advantage of those perks.

We are a 15-20 people clan. And we are not that far behind clans made of 30-35 people.

Yesterday I found a level 4 clan with 3 people in it.

We war against clans that have 4-6 new people in them. And at the end of war, 2-3 left.

I don't really understand what the problem is with low level clans winning wars and getting experience to level their clan up quickly and why this is in some way unfair to the well known and well established war clans.

What i really loved about this last update was that it genuinely was an update for all players regardless of what level your townhall is and how well upgraded your base is! I mean pretty much every update there is new content for most TH9 and TH10 players and not much for players lower down and this is absolutely correct and as it should be to encourage players to build and develop their bases so they can eventually become a TH10 player and benefit from new content.

This latest update bucked that trend though and gave an update that benefitted all players as long as they are in a clan that wars. The fact that the first few clans to reach level 5 were relatively unknown and low level is in my opinion great for the game and shows that you can be part of successful and well organised clan without necesarily being in one of these seemingly prestigious top clans. The irony of all this is that plenty of the top clans will not benefit hugely from the extra perks such as being able to give levelled troops whereas these lower level clans really will benefit and can use these perks as a good selling point to attract other good players to their clan

Clan perks are not powerful enough (especially at TH10) to care about this "issue". Why does my max TH10 need higher level donations, more war loot, or more CC storage?

totally agree with you about the unfairness, but i disagree about your discrimination on weak players, i myself, and my clan are weak, mostly th7 and 8, but we are not "the noobs" that you are talking about in your post, you must give an exception, were not those who just played coc cause our friends play coc, were also dedicated players like those in the champ league...

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Originally Posted by Pete82

Clan perks are not powerful enough (especially at TH10) to care about this "issue". Why does my max TH10 need higher level donations, more war loot, or more CC storage?

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A TH10 cares about those perks because in all top warring clans we have quite a few TH9s. These perks help the TH9s give us the maxed troops we usually give out making it fair for the TH10s with maxed troops. In other words we don't need those TH9s to be TH10 to match our troops standard that we give. And you said why TH10s need more war loot? Because we war and it is extra loot we get... Did you think before commenting? A TH10 can't get high level donations, we can't go above the maxed troop line, but like I said we do want to be given the same level we passionate give out. Why more CC Storage? Because the bases we attack sometimes gives us 600k each... Two attacks in our mirror base rank and we made 1.2+ million. Sometimes our Gold Storage is full or near full and we don't have the space to put all the gold in so we stack it. This space for more CC storage helps us a lot. You clearly didn't read in detail the brief summary I wrote but probably read through the lines and ignorantly comment with no basis. The point of the whole summary was that a TH7 can obtain the same and equal clan war xp as a TH10 or TH9. On the other hand, these clan perks can open possibilities for TH8s in top high level play War Clans.. in my main clan we don't allow TH8s because their troop level is limited and their contribution to donations and clan war donations is extremely limited. With the Lv.10 perk, things may change but if low level player clans get there faster then the TH10 Top War Clans... something is extremely unbalanced. Next time when you comment try to have a solid argument and not just 2 sentences to make your point.