Sservis Theorycrafting

Major edit of the below, I was wrong about it not affecting below TH9, updated to just be accurate info.

Update on base rating change. I looked at all our bases pre/post update and learned something. I'd love to get specific transition data from early TH9 without AQ (yeah who does that?)

In order to estimate the degree of change if it's a consistent percentage change, I took the two base ratings (gold only) and calculated a min and max change possible. I then took the maximum of the mins (lower bound) and the minimum of the maxs (upper bound) to get a range. It is possible that the minimum of the max (upper bound) is understated*.

I'm going to list only 3 bases of interest here

• kick ♥♥♥ went from 97 to 90 (max of min)
• Sservis went from 57 to 55 (min of max) known few traps upgraded, might have been 57 to 54 otherwise (and then different base would be listed as min of max.

To calculate the minimum possible change, assume the base rating is a rounds down rounding and the prior rating rounded down not at all (actual = prior) and the current rating rounds down almost completely (actual is almost current + 1). The formula is 1 - (current + 1)/prior. For kick ♥♥♥ that's 1 - 91/97 or a 6.19% change. This is a lower bound on the amount of the change.

To calculate the maximum possible change, assume the base rating is a rounds up rounding (it's wasn't, I've seen 0's pre Air Sweeper update that would have rounded up to 1 if it rounded any small decimal up) and the prior rating rounded up almost not at all (actual = prior) and the current rating rounds up almost completely (actual = current - 1). The formula is 1 - ((current - 1)/prior) For Sservis, that's 1 - 54/57 or a 5.26% change. This is an upper bound on the change and may be understated.

Upper Bound - 5.26% (may be understated)
Lower Bound - 6.19%
The bounds are backwards.


* upgrades between wars would cause the change to look smaller than it really was which would likely show when the minimum over all was calculated

Update below, it affects TH7 and TH8, I was wrong. Post has been made to include only accurate information.

Opponents in current war
13 - 67k (our current 67k used to be 71k)
14 - 67k (but no q, used to be what??
15 - 65k (our current 65k used to be 69k)
Later, I checked a base in another clan with the exact same heros and better walls as my base. I went from 57 to 55 and the other base went from 33 to 32.

This leads me to think that the adjustment may have been across the board, rather than to any specific factor.

Both of these combined with no inexplicable out of order bases in any lineup I've seen makes me think it might have been an across the board adjustment.

Wrote up a comparison of maxer vs rusher with heros at TH9, can they keep one up for always war?

I respectfully request that the new base engineering phenomenon be coined TH8.01, if confirmed. You are welcome.

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Originally Posted by AJFlood

I respectfully request that the new base engineering phenomenon be coined TH8.01, if confirmed. You are welcome.

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There are multiple types of base optimiation. THX.5 is just the beginning stages of rushing (offensive levels at most one TH level ahead of defenses, rushers often go more than +1).

Engineering is something a bit different. Rushing, more defensive structures at a lower level, is actually a bit of antiengineering, which to my understanding usually involves fewer (select ones) at higher levels and others lower (or never built, this is the key part).

Note: I'm ignoring the fact that XBows are mostly bad and everyone avoids them if they care about war at all and they are not a max TH10 that wants every defense to stop the 3.

sservis, how do you know your base weight ?
I know only enemy base weights in battle day.
I am rushed TH9 and I must know when to stop upgrading def to continue mm lower than full max TH8 (yes I am lucky one with low def /king 10/ queen lvl 6 / all sculls/ and still mm lower full max TH8 in cw atm).

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Originally Posted by acidin

sservis, how do you know your base weight ?
I know only enemy base weights in battle day.
I am rushed TH9 and I must know when to stop upgrading def to continue mm lower than full max TH8 (yes I am lucky one with low def /king 10/ queen lvl 6 / all sculls/ and still mm lower full max TH8 in cw atm).

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Three ways only #3 works during prep day, but only for enemies.
1) Check your storages. (add the TH also) You have to check all sizes 3 11's and 1 10 will have different loot in the 11 vs 10, but all 11's will have the same amount, etc
2) Watch a Replay, and adjust for TH level differences that affect loot
3) (only works for enemies) Look at their number on the war map, adjust for TH differences, adjust for clan perks, and divide by 6.


Easiest is #1 (or #2). The number will always be an even thousand.

Hey Sservis, I stumbled upon something i found interesting.

We have two TH6s in our current war, ranked at 19 and 20.

19th ranked base levels:
Mortars 3 2
AD 3
WT 2 1
AT 6 6 6
Cannon 6 6 6
Sweeper 1
All lvl 6 walls

20th ranked base levels:
Mortars 4 4
AD 3
WT 3 3
AT 7 7 7
Cannon 7 7 7
No sweeper
~50-50 lvl 4/5 walls

So as you can see, the lower ranked guy has higher level defenses more or less across the board, but no air sweeper and lower level walls. Is this further proof that adding a new defensive building massively outweights upgrading existing ones? Or an indication of the added wall weight? Perhaps a bit of both. Either way, just found it interesting and would like to hear your view on it.

Walls would be my guess. I stopped upgrading defenses months ago when I learned about matchmaking, have dumped all gold into walls - so I'm a maxxed th9 except but one level low on canons & archer towers, about 75% legos, 10% lava. On the map for current war I just passed a th9 with maxxed everything but maybe half legos.
I'll be going th9.5 much earlier than planned, lavas seem like a very bad idea now.

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Originally Posted by TankSinatra

Walls would be my guess. I stopped upgrading defenses months ago when I learned about matchmaking, have dumped all gold into walls - so I'm a maxxed th9 except but one level low on canons & archer towers, about 75% legos, 10% lava. On the map for current war I just passed a th9 with maxxed everything but maybe half legos.
I'll be going th9.5 much earlier than planned, lavas seem like a very bad idea now.

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Walls would be my guess. They are not that heavy but they make a differece. There is a threshold where they start to matter noticeably (my defenseless with walls account hung out at 0 loot for a good while) and then they bump up a decent amount quickly. Pre update I went from 0 to 1 and then to 3 pretty fast after I went to 1. The update turned that 3 into a 9. This was around early TH7 range. It sounds like you might be over the threshold while your friend is under.

I'm not sure that walls matter than much once you cross the threshold. While my defenseless with walls at early TH7 (no BK) went from 3k to 9k my TH9 with about 60%/30%/10% purple/skulls/legos (more and better walls) and a BK10/AQ7 only went from 54k to 57k. I'm not sure avoiding building high level walls makes as much of a difference as avoiding building mid level walls.