Fix For Excess Elixir At TH8

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Originally Posted by iceageg

I am right there with you Warren. I am now using all dragon/3 spell raids for loot on my maxed TH8 while I grind out a few more wall segments. Fortunately for me it is my second account so I can use slow cook armies and I don't experience any real frustration from the cook time. All that said it would be worse if I could sink all of my elixir into walls. I understand this and accept it. I will have a second TH9 soon.

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With 4 Builders, 3 of them working on defences of thier own type, (one AD, one Cannon/Archer Tower, one Wizard Tower/Mortars, one for misc stuff) I've already used up my Elixir based upgrades, which were just barracks at TH8 (resource buildings don't count. So cheap to start upgrades, but eat up time). Lab is still moving ever so slowly, with mostly DE troops being upgraded so I can get rid of (in a useful manner) the stockpile of DE I rarely use from the 'too awesome to use' effect from the rarity, and the feeling I'd never get my money's worth out of using Dark Barracks troops.

This has resulted in me having my King up to level 10 already, and a very slowly shrinking list of Dark Troops to upgrade. Hog Rider lvl4 is almost done (12 hours from posting this) and looking into Golem lvl2 (60k DE!) after a quick 3 day catch up upgrade on balloons (to have DE for war). But most of these awesome upgrades of troops take so much dang time, and Dark Elixir has been the thing that got priority over regular Elixir troops. So I have to work at not capping out at 6 million Elixir, which has been hard to do in a fashion that is practical. What should I do, do a Wall Breaker rush on a base for the kicks and ♥♥♥ factor?

And it isn't just me, many other bases are low on gold and stuffed with Elixir. So the argument of 'just spend Elixir to grab gold' slowly becomes impractical as more and more people spend more Elixir than usual for resources they want.

I think much of this stems from the problem of wall costs out striping gold production. People like me, that want to max out bases before the next TH level are raiding for good at whatever is a reasonable. cost. If thier is a glut of army funds, so much you can't hold it all or use it all, the idea of 'reasonable cost' gets skewed along with the inflation of income.

One way I guess to 'solve' the Elixir/wall upgrade issue, assuming that can be done in a practical manner at all, is a possibility of an 'Elixir Brick' building, turning Elixir into material usable for walls, and can be used to substitute the gold cost. With a building like this, Supercell can put in batch cost restrictions, like needing to be 3-4 million Elixir, to use, which will force people to store up Elixir before it is usable, which means it is still able to be raided. Assuming they don't raid hours on end, to keep from getting raided, and then dump the Elixir into before the risk of being raided hits... which defeats the purpose of the idea. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

With 4 Builders, 3 of them working on defences of thier own type, (one AD, one Cannon/Archer Tower, one Wizard Tower/Mortars, one for misc stuff) I've already used up my Elixir based upgrades, which were just barracks at TH8 (resource buildings don't count. So cheap to start upgrades, but eat up time). Lab is still moving ever so slowly, with mostly DE troops being upgraded so I can get rid of (in a useful manner) the stockpile of DE I rarely use from the 'too awesome to use' effect from the rarity, and the feeling I'd never get my money's worth out of using Dark Barracks troops.

This has resulted in me having my King up to level 10 already, and a very slowly shrinking list of Dark Troops to upgrade. Hog Rider lvl4 is almost done (12 hours from posting this) and looking into Golem lvl2 (60k DE!) after a quick 3 day catch up upgrade on balloons (to have DE for war). But most of these awesome upgrades of troops take so much dang time, and Dark Elixir has been the thing that got priority over regular Elixir troops. So I have to work at not capping out at 6 million Elixir, which has been hard to do in a fashion that is practical. What should I do, do a Wall Breaker rush on a base for the kicks and ♥♥♥ factor?

And it isn't just me, many other bases are low on gold and stuffed with Elixir. So the argument of 'just spend Elixir to grab gold' slowly becomes impractical as more and more people spend more Elixir than usual for resources they want.

I think much of this stems from the problem of wall costs out striping gold production. People like me, that want to max out bases before the next TH level are raiding for good at whatever is a reasonable. cost. If thier is a glut of army funds, so much you can't hold it all or use it all, the idea of 'reasonable cost' gets skewed along with the inflation of income.

One way I guess to 'solve' the Elixir/wall upgrade issue, assuming that can be done in a practical manner at all, is a possibility of an 'Elixir Brick' building, turning Elixir into material usable for walls, and can be used to substitute the gold cost. With a building like this, Supercell can put in batch cost restrictions, like needing to be 3-4 million Elixir, to use, which will force people to store up Elixir before it is usable, which means it is still able to be raided. Assuming they don't raid hours on end, to keep from getting raided, and then dump the Elixir into before the risk of being raided hits... which defeats the purpose of the idea. :rolleyes:

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One idea that came up recently, which has far more merit than I initially considered, is to have an option to buy level 8 walls for a gold/elixir price. Before everybody screams "Elixir will disappear again! Worst idea ever!", please hear me out.

The example suggested was a cost of 75% gold, 25% elixir. If you can't see that gold is the limiting factor in how quickly elixir could be spent on these walls, don't even bother replying. (That was aimed at trolls as well as the well-intentioned people with itchy trigger fingers.)

Here's an excerpt of my analysis:

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Let's assume you purchase every level 8 (skull) wall at TH8 with 75% gold, 25% elixir.

The total cost is 112.5M, so in total you would need 84,375,000 and 28,125,000. Hmm, upon reflection, that actually would make a pretty serious dent in the excess elixir at TH8. For starters, you wouldn't have to farm the full 112.5M gold. You could farm about 28M less gold, which in turn means you'll farm about 25-30M less elixir.

In addition to that, you'll be able to spend about 28M of your elixir, that otherwise would have been wasted. (Wasted could mean it gets raided, or you spend it on expensive armies that you otherwise wouldn't have, or you burn it donating troops you wouldn't have, or your storages overflow, or you're one of those asshats that just deletes elixir because they would rather the elixir gets deleted than raided, etc., etc.)

Put together, the 25-30M that you don't have to farm while farming gold, plus the 28M you can spend directly, and that's about 58-63M elixir that won't get wasted at TH8. Minus the 5-10M elixir needed to farm the 28M gold, so really you're saving something like 45-60M elixir. Still, that's huge. When I first started writing this post, I honestly didn't think it would make much difference, but I've convinced myself. This is an awesome idea!

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Originally Posted by iceageg

On a semi-related note, I do support the idea of allowing elixir to be spent on ANY level wall as long as you have at least 3million in your storages before you are able to spend it. That both allows spending of excess resources into game progress and maintains raidable levels of loot in the economy. A win for both sides.

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I also support this idea also but I don't know if it would be difficult for SC to implement.

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Originally Posted by MrPep

I don't know if this has been suggested before but I have an idea on how to address the excess elixir at TH8. Make Level 9 walls available at TH8. This way the cost per max wall at TH8 would be 1.5 million and 3 million for TH9. It will also help balance the gold/elixir cost at TH8.

Since players will have to wait until they have 1million elixir before being able to dump it into walls there would still be loot available. Thanks for reading and comments are welcome.

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So basically what you're saying is you refuse to upgrade to TH9 because you want the protection of TH10s having a 50% loot penalty against you and TH9s having a 10% loot penalty against you. You also want to avoid having a 50% loot penalty against TH7s when you attack them.

Yet at the same time you want the benefits of being TH9 which is to be able to dump your elixir into level 9 walls.

No, sorry. You can't have the best of both worlds at the expense of everyone else.

Either stubbornly stay at TH8 with nothing to spend your elixir on, or upgrade to TH9 and tough out the loot penalties. Make a choice, but you're going to have to deal with both the benefits AND the drawbacks that come with either choice.

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Originally Posted by badfish1979

So basically what you're saying is you refuse to upgrade to TH9 because you want the protection of TH10s having a 50% loot penalty against you and TH9s having a 10% loot penalty against you. You also want to avoid having a 50% loot penalty against TH7s when you attack them.

Yet at the same time you want the benefits of being TH9 which is to be able to dump your elixir into level 9 walls.

No, sorry. You can't have the best of both worlds at the expense of everyone else.

Either stubbornly stay at TH8 with nothing to spend your elixir on, or upgrade to TH9 and tough out the loot penalties. Make a choice, but you're going to have to deal with both the benefits AND the drawbacks that come with either choice.

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No, I'm staying to finish lab upgrades. It's very nice of you to make the assumption that it's because of the loot penalty :)

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Originally Posted by MrPep

No, I'm staying to finish lab upgrades. It's very nice of you to make the assumption that it's because of the loot penalty :)

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Let me get this straight - your choice to stay at TH8 has absolutely nothing to do with the loot penalties associated with upgrading to TH9, but you're only staying at TH8 to finish lab upgrades....

That doesn't make any sense. The lab will continue researching when upgrading your town hall.

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Originally Posted by badfish1979

Not sure what you're talking about. The lab will continue researching even when upgrading your town hall.

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I still have a few lab upgrades left. Elixir storages usually fill up in a day or two which is far shorter than upgrade times. This usually stops after finishing walls though.

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Originally Posted by MrPep

I still have a few lab upgrades left. Elixir storages usually fill up in a day or two which is far shorter than upgrade times. This usually stops after finishing walls though.

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You're still avoiding the issue. How does that affect your decision not to upgrade to TH9? Why not complete those "few lab upgrades" at TH9?

There is no restriction on when you can upgrade your town hall. Finishing a certain amount of lab upgrades does not unlock the ability to press the upgrade button on your town hall - you can upgrade at any time you choose.

As we've already established, the lab will continue to function if you upgrade your town hall.

You claim your decision has nothing to do with the loot penalties, so what is your reason for staying?

I'm in a clan that does back to back wars so I don't think it's a good idea to move up to TH9 without doing my lab upgrades first. The main reason I want to do upgrades and play this game is clan wars.

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Originally Posted by MrPep

I'm in a clan that does back to back wars so I don't think it's a good idea to move up to TH9 without doing my lab upgrades first. The main reason I want to do upgrades and play this game is clan wars.

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The town hall itself is not factored into war matchmaking. Ever heard of 8.5?