penalty for players leaving clan during war without attacks

I think that the problem runs deeper than I first thought.

Having been in a couple of clans since clan wars were introduced and I have never come across players that leave during the war. Yes there are players who for one reason or another don't attack, be it because the war is already lost (I always try and get in both attacks anyway) or due to real life issues, but I have never been in one where players actually leave during the war without first attacking.

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Originally Posted by ropepirate

I think that the problem runs deeper than I first thought.

Having been in a couple of clans since clan wars were introduced and I have never come across players that leave during the war. Yes there are players who for one reason or another don't attack, be it because the war is already lost (I always try and get in both attacks anyway) or due to real life issues, but I have never been in one where players actually leave during the war without first attacking.

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There are a lot of players that never last more than a ay or two in a given clan. Clans bring them in and add them for war and then they do their normal trick and leave. This is the largest amount of war deserter instances. The fix is simple, have all new members sit out a war or two so that the ones with itchy feet get filtered off.

Also its important to always run the clan as a tight ship. keep everyone friendly, guys that can't do that get rid of them. And of course don't have a lot of war hoppers by not doing what I describe above. Otherwise players are getting fed up and doing mad quits at the wrong times. Almost all of the times someone is saying a longer standing member deserted they are having other problems in the clan and the guy got fed up.

And know your members. I see threads start where guys say "My most loyal and dependable guy screwed me over". They somehow think that is a problem with the game and can't see the probability that they were the ones making a mistake to think that the guy was all so loyal and dependable.

As Welsh has been trying to explain delicately, this is not a problem with players leaving. This is a clan management/leadership problem. One most of us have experienced, learned from, and adapted to prevent. Here is why taking punitive action against a player for the act of leaving a clan at any time is a bad idea.

SC has a long standing policy of not putting a negative statistic/badge/mark/rank/etc. of any kind on any players profile. They have a fairly strict no name-n-shame policy, as they should. You can accept those ideas as ruled out at face value.

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Originally Posted by iceageg

You need to remember who you are complaining about here. Either the player leaving is leaving because you have a poor clan and/or poor leadership, or they are leaving because they have questionable moral integrity. For the sake of argument lets assume you are a wise and effective leader, so this must be one of those d-bags that hangs you out to dry. If you get your way and players are forced to stay or penalized for leaving . . . <fade to foreshadowed scene>

1) D-bag joins
2) You start war
3) D-bag wants to leave but can't (SUCCESS!!! He is stuck with you now!!!)
4) D-bag is a d-bag and wants out, so he decides to get kicked out
5) So he fills war castles with goblins and wallbreakers
6) And fills donations with goblins and wall breakers
7) And turns your clan chat into something that makes global look like bible study
8) And defames your clan on global
9) Then wastes both attacks in the war anyway
9a) Set their base up so it is super easy to 3*
10) And continues to fill war requests with ♥♥♥♥ troops
11) Maybe even comes to the forums to badmouth you and your clan
12) You kick them out
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12) Your other clan members leave because you won't kick out the D-bag

Remember, this is already a person who doesn't care if they hurt your clan. Long story short, you are requesting a way to force people who don't want to be in your clan, who you don't even want in your clan, to be stuck in your clan. NOTHING good can come of this. Bad idea every time it is suggested.

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Also, in an effort to not only help the OP understand the horrible repercussions of their idea, here is a list of many of the most common things successful clans do to prevent "D-bag hoppers" from being a nuisance (a nuisance, not a problem). Quoting myself from a recent thread again . . .

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Originally Posted by iceageg

Most people who switch between clans do it for very good, fruitful reasons. Since the game can't tell these players from your much maligned "hoppers" the majority of us would end up penalized because a few players who didn't want to be in your clan but you let in anyway. The truly nefarious hoppers are usually very easy to spot and deal with. Players who are genuinely searching for a clan are simply part of the game, just like people searching for the right job are a part of real life. What you have hear is a clan management problem. One all of us have experienced and learned from. It has been discussed on the forum many times. Here's how most of us have solved this.

1) Set the clan to invite only.
2) Don't give elder to anybody who can't conduct themselves as an adult
3) Don't give Co-leader to anybody you don't trust
4) Make sure both elders and Co's understand that it is ok to accept new members
5) Make sure they understand they are expected to BOOT new members if
5a) They introduce themselves by asking for troops
5b) Introduce themselves with profanity
5c) Introduce themselves with some form of "rate my base!!!!"
5d) Don't respond when welcomed
5e) Ask for elder/Co in the first conversation
5f) Start filling castles with ♥♥♥♥
6) Clan rule that new members don't participate in the first war (Opted out by leader/co)
7) Only recruit 1-2 new players between each war, none during

Others may chime in with additional ideas but those are the basic ones. Follow those and hoppers will end 99% instantly. Not to mention you will crack a smile when you apply your boots to their crack.

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All of us clan leader types have experienced this and learned to preventing through our own leadership skills and clan rules. There is no need to institute a system that will punish the most social and giving players while making the lowest quality players more destructive.

In my time on the forum here I still have yet to see the answer to these simple questions. Why do you want to force somebody that you don't want in your clan, to be stuck in your clan?

Just cut the amount collectors get for one day in half! If they miss 2 attacks cut it off for one day or until the next war starts (If a war starts within 24 hours)

"For laziness and low moral of troops in war, you're collectors desired they wanted a day off too"

That way it is completely stable, it isn't costly but it promotes attacking. Also, if some accidents do happen, having you're collectors decreased by 1/2 is not that bad!! If you complain about this, then don't war! With the new war option in and out. I believe this too be a necessary thing...


Clash on!!!
Username: Jriej
Clan: Darkness Rising

There are currently several solutions to this problem. The root of the problem is allowing bad members in your clan and trying to grow your clan too quickly. So if you grow your clan slowly it gives you a chance to weed out the poor teammates and diminish the impact of one member leaving during a war.

But also, you could force new members to opt out of wars for a week. If they are willing to wait around for a week then you'll get a chance to know them and get a feel for if they can be trusted in war.

After establishing a solid core of players you can seek out higher quality teammates through the forums and you can avoid recruiting through global. After getting through our first handful of wars and weeding out bad teammates we have had 1 wartime defector in the last 3 months. And we won that war easily because we have such quality teammates we can easily cover the absence of one member.

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Originally Posted by Rabadash

Just cut the amount collectors get for one day in half! If they miss 2 attacks cut it off for one day or until the next war starts (If a war starts within 24 hours)

"For laziness and low moral of troops in war, you're collectors desired they wanted a day off too"

That way it is completely stable, it isn't costly but it promotes attacking. Also, if some accidents do happen, having you're collectors decreased by 1/2 is not that bad!! If you complain about this, then don't war! With the new war option in and out. I believe this too be a necessary thing...


Clash on!!!
Username: Jriej
Clan: Darkness Rising

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That's just another punishment though. please read the thread before this to see why that would not work. Myself and another gentleman (iceageg) have explained it pretty thoroughly.

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Originally Posted by Reddigulous

There are currently several solutions to this problem. The root of the problem is allowing bad members in your clan and trying to grow your clan too quickly. So if you grow your clan slowly it gives you a chance to weed out the poor teammates and diminish the impact of one member leaving during a war.

But also, you could force new members to opt out of wars for a week. If they are willing to wait around for a week then you'll get a chance to know them and get a feel for if they can be trusted in war.

After establishing a solid core of players you can seek out higher quality teammates through the forums and you can avoid recruiting through global. After getting through our first handful of wars and weeding out bad teammates we have had 1 wartime defector in the last 3 months. And we won that war easily because we have such quality teammates we can easily cover the absence of one member.

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This is a much more correct response. It has been proven by many clans that are not having this problem to be the solution that works.

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Originally Posted by Rabadash

Just cut the amount collectors get for one day in half! If they miss 2 attacks cut it off for one day or until the next war starts (If a war starts within 24 hours)

"For laziness and low moral of troops in war, you're collectors desired they wanted a day off too"

That way it is completely stable, it isn't costly but it promotes attacking. Also, if some accidents do happen, having you're collectors decreased by 1/2 is not that bad!! If you complain about this, then don't war! With the new war option in and out. I believe this too be a necessary thing...


Clash on!!!
Username: Jriej
Clan: Darkness Rising

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I don't see why a person should be punished for not wanting to be in a clan. Also why should my collectors stop for not attacking? if the clan is down 40 stars and there is no chance of winning why waste the resources?

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Originally Posted by Reddigulous

There are currently several solutions to this problem. The root of the problem is allowing bad members in your clan and trying to grow your clan too quickly. So if you grow your clan slowly it gives you a chance to weed out the poor teammates and diminish the impact of one member leaving during a war.

But also, you could force new members to opt out of wars for a week. If they are willing to wait around for a week then you'll get a chance to know them and get a feel for if they can be trusted in war.

After establishing a solid core of players you can seek out higher quality teammates through the forums and you can avoid recruiting through global. After getting through our first handful of wars and weeding out bad teammates we have had 1 wartime defector in the last 3 months. And we won that war easily because we have such quality teammates we can easily cover the absence of one member.

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Haha. Karma is a funny thing. As of 5 minutes ago we have our 2nd wartime defector. Annoying? Yes. Catastrophic? Not even remotely. We are glad he's out of our clan if that's how he behaves.

As much as I would love this it would just not work.