Heroes/Inferno Rebalancing Requested

Hello,

Here's what happened today to finally make me send this complaint/suggestion:


I am a level 103 that heads a 10v10 war clan. We have 77 wins and are very experienced. We are currently up 19-17 in the war, with us having three attacks and them having a weaker four attacks left. I decide to use my hog strategy against a TH10 with a heal/freeze spell combo and attack. Although my hogs got destroyed faster than I imagined by the infernos (which I will get to later on as well) I was able to clear their cc and continue attacking around the outside. My King is down (which is another issue) so I only had my Queen. As the rest of my archers get destroyed I use my power. My Queen ignores the TH it could've easily destroyed past a wall too (yet another issue in attacking) and attacks other buildings over an outside wall. It destroys the closer ones, I'm at 49%! Attack the mortar just past the next wall and I have a star, right?


No, wrong. The Queen and her minion archers simply attack the wall, and the mortar and archer tower behind it kill whats left of my army. So there I sit, stuck at 49%, with yet again not a start to be seen.


Here are my complaints and suggestions:


The heroes have to be rebalanced. There is no reason a hero should attack a wall when a perfectly fine defense is in sight to attack. Heroes should also be slightly more attracted to destroying the Town Hall (as that is the prime objective, is it not?) and less distracted by attacking a wall. They also should have more recognition when an opposing hero or clan castle troops will attack it, as these can dismantle heroes easily.


Next, Infernos have to be rebalanced a bit too. Yes, there should be a rewarding defense for TH10. But there is literally no offense to help attack it. It does far too much DPS too quickly and prevents any troop from being healed (which is kind of ridiculous having that bonus along with the single stack and multiple attack options.) You gave us Lava Hounds, which helps nothing when combatting an Inferno Tower. Either nerf the towers a bit, or give us something to truly oppose that defense.


After that, I believe you should be able to use Heroes when in war, regardless if they are upgrading. Until they are done upgrading, they should simply be the level they are. Example: I am currently upgrading to a Level 12 King, so I should be able to use my King at Level 11 during the war. It truly cuts into peoples attack strategies and especially where I am at I can almost constantly be putting a hero down therefore making wars very tough on me.


As a last ask, a suggestion would be to be able to use elixir for walls at one lower level, Level 7 to Level 8. I have built every building I can do and upgrade with elixir, leaving the laboratory and walls. However, I have almost all Level 7 walls and have not started Level 8, so my extra elixir is nearly useless while I still have to sacrifice all of my gold.


I truly hope these critical updates are taken to heart to make a fair and balanced game that will keep people happy and willing to war constantly. I have contributed to playing this game for a long time and am really starting to get frustrated recently with these issues that have presented themselves.


Much gratitude for creating a phenomenal game.

Heroes are powerful; you can't expect them to attack correctly all the time.

Just in case I don't get to 50%, I save a few Archers to get free buildings on the outside.

As for Inferno Towers, freezing them works pretty well. 8 Seconds for your troops to advance to it. This seems like a good strategy, although I'm not TH10 yet so I can't freeze it.

Or use 5 Golems to soak up all 5 beams of the Inferno.

Hope this helps!
- Peashooter :)

Just because they're powerful doesn't mean they should act stupid. Are you saying they should just be stupid?

Freezing is the ONLY option for infernos, and that makes it more than tough because that doesn't balance with the power we have available for attack. Not to mention they start at four seconds each, and every upgrade adds only one second.

I really don't think you thought much about what was suggested.

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Originally Posted by Floyak

Just because they're powerful doesn't mean they should act stupid. Are you saying they should just be stupid?

Freezing is the ONLY option for infernos, and that makes it more than tough because that doesn't balance with the power we have available for attack. Not to mention they start at four seconds each, and every upgrade adds only one second.

I really don't think I thought much about what was suggested.

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I really don't think you thought much about what was suggested either. So I agree with almost all your points.

The one I don't agree with are the walls. Understood your frustration, but what might be good for you is not always what's good for the game as a whole. The reason they have it set the way they do is because they want folks to have to pile that loot a little bit and defend it. At the higher levels they are expensive enough to still be forcing guys to pile up a certain level of loot which is why they allow it there. In the end they want everyone to have to pile up and defend a certain amount of loot for stuff. once way or another.

Hogs used to be really OP and just like TH 7s with dragons you could simply drop one finger and 3 star maxed TH 10s. Now you can't.

The hero petition is already out there. Including using them during wars and rebalancing AQ AI. At least they're already aware of it.

Your suggestion of rebalancing inferno tower is too vague. It doesn't suggest anything. Nerf it, how? Give us something, what? Hounds are perfectly fine with multi target infernos, how do top players manage to use them so well?

Using elixir on walls damaged so much economy... No thank you. There's also a thread suggesting you shouldn't be able to use every bit of elixir so you can still be raided. They're also aware of it.

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Originally Posted by Floyak

Hello,

Here's what happened today to finally make me send this complaint/suggestion:


I am a level 103 that heads a 10v10 war clan. We have 77 wins and are very experienced. We are currently up 19-17 in the war, with us having three attacks and them having a weaker four attacks left. I decide to use my hog strategy against a TH10 with a heal/freeze spell combo and attack. Although my hogs got destroyed faster than I imagined by the infernos (which I will get to later on as well) I was able to clear their cc and continue attacking around the outside. My King is down (which is another issue) so I only had my Queen. As the rest of my archers get destroyed I use my power. My Queen ignores the TH it could've easily destroyed past a wall too (yet another issue in attacking) and attacks other buildings over an outside wall. It destroys the closer ones, I'm at 49%! Attack the mortar just past the next wall and I have a star, right?


No, wrong. The Queen and her minion archers simply attack the wall, and the mortar and archer tower behind it kill whats left of my army. So there I sit, stuck at 49%, with yet again not a start to be seen.


Here are my complaints and suggestions:


The heroes have to be rebalanced. There is no reason a hero should attack a wall when a perfectly fine defense is in sight to attack. Heroes should also be slightly more attracted to destroying the Town Hall (as that is the prime objective, is it not?) and less distracted by attacking a wall. They also should have more recognition when an opposing hero or clan castle troops will attack it, as these can dismantle heroes easily.


Next, Infernos have to be rebalanced a bit too. Yes, there should be a rewarding defense for TH10. But there is literally no offense to help attack it. It does far too much DPS too quickly and prevents any troop from being healed (which is kind of ridiculous having that bonus along with the single stack and multiple attack options.) You gave us Lava Hounds, which helps nothing when combatting an Inferno Tower. Either nerf the towers a bit, or give us something to truly oppose that defense.


After that, I believe you should be able to use Heroes when in war, regardless if they are upgrading. Until they are done upgrading, they should simply be the level they are. Example: I am currently upgrading to a Level 12 King, so I should be able to use my King at Level 11 during the war. It truly cuts into peoples attack strategies and especially where I am at I can almost constantly be putting a hero down therefore making wars very tough on me.


As a last ask, a suggestion would be to be able to use elixir for walls at one lower level, Level 7 to Level 8. I have built every building I can do and upgrade with elixir, leaving the laboratory and walls. However, I have almost all Level 7 walls and have not started Level 8, so my extra elixir is nearly useless while I still have to sacrifice all of my gold.


I truly hope these critical updates are taken to heart to make a fair and balanced game that will keep people happy and willing to war constantly. I have contributed to playing this game for a long time and am really starting to get frustrated recently with these issues that have presented themselves.


Much gratitude for creating a phenomenal game.

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I do believe SC is trying to fix the hero AI as the Queen does often *stupidly* stay stuck behind walls. As for the elixir walls idea, the reason they removed that was a good one. Too many people were using their elixir to upgrade walls exhausting the economy's elixir. Elixir should be something that is always in the game since troops rely on it exclusively.

The main proposition behind this thread was hero rebalancing, but nerfing infernos slightly I am on board with. Drop the original DPS to 25 and range it from 25-750. The problem with Infernos is that freeze spells are nearly a must, limiting tons of options.

I understand they're probably aware, this is more out of frustration. I can't stand for a hero needlessly attacking a wall. A few wars ago a clanmate was stopped from three stars and one building out because it decided to attack a wall.

The game as a whole is great, but there are simply little bugs that need to continually be discovered and eliminated.

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Originally Posted by Floyak

Hello,

Here's what happened today to finally make me send this complaint/suggestion:


I am a level 103 that heads a 10v10 war clan. We have 77 wins and are very experienced. We are currently up 19-17 in the war, with us having three attacks and them having a weaker four attacks left. I decide to use my hog strategy against a TH10 with a heal/freeze spell combo and attack. Although my hogs got destroyed faster than I imagined by the infernos (which I will get to later on as well) I was able to clear their cc and continue attacking around the outside. My King is down (which is another issue) so I only had my Queen. As the rest of my archers get destroyed I use my power. My Queen ignores the TH it could've easily destroyed past a wall too (yet another issue in attacking) and attacks other buildings over an outside wall. It destroys the closer ones, I'm at 49%! Attack the mortar just past the next wall and I have a star, right?


No, wrong. The Queen and her minion archers simply attack the wall, and the mortar and archer tower behind it kill whats left of my army. So there I sit, stuck at 49%, with yet again not a start to be seen.


Here are my complaints and suggestions:


The heroes have to be rebalanced. There is no reason a hero should attack a wall when a perfectly fine defense is in sight to attack. Heroes should also be slightly more attracted to destroying the Town Hall (as that is the prime objective, is it not?) and less distracted by attacking a wall. They also should have more recognition when an opposing hero or clan castle troops will attack it, as these can dismantle heroes easily.


Next, Infernos have to be rebalanced a bit too. Yes, there should be a rewarding defense for TH10. But there is literally no offense to help attack it. It does far too much DPS too quickly and prevents any troop from being healed (which is kind of ridiculous having that bonus along with the single stack and multiple attack options.) You gave us Lava Hounds, which helps nothing when combatting an Inferno Tower. Either nerf the towers a bit, or give us something to truly oppose that defense.


After that, I believe you should be able to use Heroes when in war, regardless if they are upgrading. Until they are done upgrading, they should simply be the level they are. Example: I am currently upgrading to a Level 12 King, so I should be able to use my King at Level 11 during the war. It truly cuts into peoples attack strategies and especially where I am at I can almost constantly be putting a hero down therefore making wars very tough on me.


As a last ask, a suggestion would be to be able to use elixir for walls at one lower level, Level 7 to Level 8. I have built every building I can do and upgrade with elixir, leaving the laboratory and walls. However, I have almost all Level 7 walls and have not started Level 8, so my extra elixir is nearly useless while I still have to sacrifice all of my gold.


I truly hope these critical updates are taken to heart to make a fair and balanced game that will keep people happy and willing to war constantly. I have contributed to playing this game for a long time and am really starting to get frustrated recently with these issues that have presented themselves.


Much gratitude for creating a phenomenal game.

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As for the elixir-for-walls, I don't agree with that. If you can upgrade level 7 & level 8 walls with elixir then all players will dump all their elixir to walls (which is easier coz they only cost 200k & 500k respectively) and will result to No-Elixir-Available-For-Loot.

I'm with you in using heroes in war while upgrading.

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Originally Posted by Floyak

The problem with Infernos is that freeze spells are nearly a must, limiting tons of options.

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And that's why freeze spell and inferno towers are unlocked at TH10.

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Originally Posted by Floyak

Just because they're powerful doesn't mean they should act stupid. Are you saying they should just be stupid?

Freezing is the ONLY option for infernos, and that makes it more than tough because that doesn't balance with the power we have available for attack. Not to mention they start at four seconds each, and every upgrade adds only one second.

I really don't think you thought much about what was suggested.

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i duno bro but i think inferno tower is good the way they are now.. right now im a th10 player who only has lv4golem, max wiz, maxwitcch, max wb, lv3 peka got lv20 bk and lv17 aq.. got no problem in geting 2 star in a max inferno tower even with bk alone... i think your strategy is the prob... we dont use hogs in dealing with multi IT shot.. and even it is single shot only i dont use hogs anymore hence there are already 5 gb, and even max th9 towers will kill hogs even without IT... and FYI i usually use 1 freeze spell and my freeze spell is only lv2... if i were you u should watch th10 attaccks in youtube it will help you alot cuz i think you nneed to move on in using hogs only...