Troop Tweak : Wallbreaker

Wallbreakers go for walls, that is all they do, so they can't really be exploited, they are a bit smarter than they used to be, also they take one more troop space than when the game started.

now im fine with all that, but one thing that annoys me so much it when they get targeted and killed before they blow the wall, the bomb is still a bomb right? it should blow up

so i propose that the wall breaker can still be killed, (often they get killed by mortars when i send them behind giants)

however when he is killed he drops the bomb and it explodes, so if he makes it to the wall the bomb will still destroy the wall even if he is killed

if he is killed before the wall then obviously the wall is safe, but if he gets to the wall it should be blown up i think even if he dies

Technically... Wall Breakers go after buildings. But only buildings blocked by a wall. Subtle but important difference.

Also, you're likely going to be told 'suck it up, and deploy them better with distracting units', so.. huh.. yeah. :( Sorry. Can't help much here.

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

Technically... Wall Breakers go after buildings. But only buildings blocked by a wall. Subtle but important difference.

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Ha, yeah, I learned that the hard way. In one of my recent wars, one of the enemy players made a decoy base with all the buildings along the edges, all the walls in the middle. Some of the walls were in a large block, but he also spelled out "HOLA" with some of his walls. (They were some sort of spanish-speaking clan, based on their clan description, which was in... well, Spanish.) Edit: I forgot the main point. He didn't switch back to the real base in time. :facepalm:

Since his TH was in the corner (defended by a hidden tesla and his CC), and we had already won the war by a good margin, a bunch of us sniped the TH for loot. I went the extra mile and brought a bunch of wall breakers. My plan was to blow up the "HOLA".

Unfortunately, all the WB's started scattering like ♥♥♥♥roaches when the lights come on. It was very disappointing. Most of them ran close enough to the edges to get killed by point defenses. A few managed to blow up a few sections of wall, those sections closest to the buildings.

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

Also, you're likely going to be told 'suck it up, and deploy them better with distracting units', so.. huh.. yeah. :( Sorry. Can't help much here.

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Yeah, I already went that route, trying to argue that WB's needed just a tiny bit more health. As it stands now, at almost every level of WB, you can be one-shotted by a mortar from 1-2 TH levels below you. I'm fine with getting one-shotted by a same-level TH with maxed mortars, but I feel like a TH with under-leveled mortars should not be able to one-shot your WB's. But whatever, I got tag teamed by several of the regulars, telling me to suck it up, learn how to tank, learn how to time the mortars, etc.

Edit: Haha, I didn't even think about the forum filter software. Sorry, wasn't trying to swear. I was talking about las cucarachas!

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

Technically... Wall Breakers go after buildings. But only buildings blocked by a wall. Subtle but important difference.

Also, you're likely going to be told 'suck it up, and deploy them better with distracting units', so.. huh.. yeah. :( Sorry. Can't help much here.

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giants are a distracting unit, mortars are area effect, giants pull the mortar agro, you can figure out the rest, and wallbreakers will only attack buildings after there are no walls left, at least that is how i remember them, they dont target buildings.

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Originally Posted by Ectar

giants are a distracting unit, mortars are area effect, giants pull the mortar agro, you can figure out the rest, and wallbreakers will only attack buildings after there are no walls left, at least that is how i remember them, they dont target buildings.

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Um... What?

The AI logic of a WB is more or less this...

1. What is closes building?
2. Is it blocked by enough wall? (No, back to #1 with next closest building)
3. (yes) What is best wall section? (T Joint, X joint, etc near by?)
4. Re-target to wall section, and run towards! (At target?: Yes: attack!)
5. Is target still there? (yes: Keep going! No: Stop moving and restart at #1)

Of course there are a few more details, like walking distance, and what 'is blocked enough' means, as well as optimal wall section to target, but that's the core of the AI.

If you keep in mind that they target after a building on step 1, you can better aim them to where you want them. This means you can deploy them just out of splash damage most times. Though, if you time it right, you can get them to a wall between mortar volleys.

This is also why a mob of WB deployed at once will go so deep into a base, if allowed. They re-target inside the base, where they stand when the old target is gone. If they retarget while outside, they would go after different walls, since what is closest is different from where they stand.

Plus!! WB are affected by Rage spells just like any other unit. :smirk:

The idea that the bombs wallbreakers carry should still explode after they die is interesting, and could be helpful. However, it may cause them to be overpowered. Wallbreakers stop at a wall and wait for a short time for one reason: To allow the defensive buildings a chance to kill them. This will prevent it from being overpowered. So, if the bomb explodes if they die, it defeats the whole purpose, and will result in them being too overpowered.

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

I find Wallbreakers very useful as they are.

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The only issue is their health. They get one shot to easily. Also, I like the idea that the bomb can still explode even if the wb dies

OK, first off, gameplay balance trumps logic. After all, logic can be applied to either side.

• Wall breaker's bomb should still go off, full stength, even if stopped, since the bomb is already liable to detonate upon being hit.
• Wall breaker's bomb should still go off, at partial stength, since it was damaged too, and didn't go off properly.
• Wall breaker's bomb should not go off, because it is right there in front of the small guy, and liable to lose power containment first.

So 'common' logic is no help here... which is good, since I hate it when people try to use such logic way too much and ruin the game for everyone else. :rolleyes:

This leaves it down to gameplay balance, as it should be. So the question(s) is, should we have WBs still fully detonate, partial denoate, or stay as not denotnating? If partial denotate, to what degree is it reduced; by radius, by damage, or both; and to what magnitude (s)?

I'm in favor of maybe a radius reduction to where it can't take down double walls, and half damage, if a choice of denotation on death was picked.

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Unfortunately, all the WB's started scattering like ♥♥♥♥roaches when the lights come on. It was very disappointing.

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I went ROFL with this ♥♥♥♥.

I don't know if I like this idea it might make wbs OP. Sometimes the only chance to defend against a WB is through mortars and if the bomb blows anyway it would render walls useless, in the most extreme point of view.