No point in even doing walls anymore when every idiot runs the same attack in CW

Time for Super Cell to switch things up with the hounds. Basically everyone has seen the same YouTube video now, and it's 4 lava hounds, the rest loons, usually more loons in cc, sometimes wiz.

No point in even doing walls anymore, because my base gets 2 and 3 starred now no problem from scrub TH9s that have level 2 hounds. No skill involved, you just have to be sober enough to place a rage spell...outside buildings? Don't worry about them, bc all your troops ignore those until the defenses are dead.

I think it's time for some kind of change to the lava hound....because when every person does basically the same attack, you know something is OP.

I'm a max 9 with Lego walls lvl 20 heroes, and I cannot stop this damn attack...I know it's coming, all my mines are set around the air defenses, I even have my skulls set to air., I've done drags in CC, all archers, a combo of all archers and a few wizards...nothing works.

This is the latest craze like what hogs used to be.

Supercell is out there to make money ... most people will "gem" (I use the term "gem" here loosely) to get onboard with this latest fad.
When it is rather saturated (like hogs), then something will be done to the lava hound.

In any event, we are all on the same boat. Just encourage your clan to do likewise until ...

As for me, still grinding lava walls and heroes to max.

Cheers bro!

Working on level 10 walls too, that and heroes. As for me, refuse to do that attack...taking a moral stand, it's going to get nerfed, I'll be perfecting real attacks, they'll be going back to getting 1 star

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Time for Super Cell to switch things up with the hounds. Basically everyone has seen the same YouTube video now, and it's 4 lava hounds, the rest loons, usually more loons in cc, sometimes wiz.

No point in even doing walls anymore, because my base gets 2 and 3 starred now no problem from scrub TH9s that have level 2 hounds. No skill involved, you just have to be sober enough to place a rage spell...outside buildings? Don't worry about them, bc all your troops ignore those until the defenses are dead.

I think it's time for some kind of change to the lava hound....because when every person does basically the same attack, you know something is OP.

I'm a max 9 with Lego walls lvl 20 heroes, and I cannot stop this damn attack...I know it's coming, all my mines are set around the air defenses, I even have my skulls set to air., I've done drags in CC, all archers, a combo of all archers and a few wizards...nothing works.

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What you have to say about ALL DRAG ATTaCk AT TH7 and TH8. ??
THey are also extremly overpowered.. So whatever destroyes your base should be nerfed..

U are a Cry Baby...

Lava hound attacks require a lot of skill, as well ad preparation. In order to pull off a successful lavaloon(nion) attack, you have to scout a base over and over again, predict and plan where your loons and hounds will go, and also require quick reaction time during the attack to decide wherr to place those rage spells.
It is suitable for clan wars because you have a whole day to scout and prepare. True lavaloonion masters are those who pull off 2-3 stars in Champs during normal raids, which only gives you ~30 sec to plan the attack.

Seems like QQ'ing to me....

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Originally Posted by Jerzai

Lava hound attacks require a lot of skill, as well ad preparation. In order to pull off a successful lavaloon(nion) attack, you have to scout a base over and over again, predict and plan where your loons and hounds will go, and also require quick reaction time during the attack to decide wherr to place those rage spells. It is suitable for clan wars because you have a whole day to scout and prepare. True lavaloonion masters are those who pull off 2-3 stars in Champs during normal raids, which only gives you ~30 sec to plan the attack.

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100% agree.

It is a brainless attack to two star, but so is dummy Gowipe/Wiwi as well. There are many ways to 2 star at TH9 honestly, and virtually any semi-decent comp/attacker can do so most of the time with their eyes closed.

It's the consistent 3's that set the good attackers apart....and sorry TC but Lavaloonian does take skill to perfect the 3.

You have to have knowledge of base layouts, timing of spells, take out the queen fast and effectively, hounds have to pop at the opportune moment/right time, etc. Also depends on a bit of luck and what's in the enemy CC as well if you don't pull (not all do with 4 hounds).

People that just think they can lavaloon everything to victory doesn't work. The average attacker will usually get 1-2 stars at best unless your base is pathetically weak to air.

And there are ways to properly defend against a TH9 lava Loon (central Queen, proper AD coverage and protection/overlapping, max wizzies in defensive castles, etc.)

Like any TH9 war defense, it's about protecting the 3 not stopping the 2.

Every average player in the world can 2 star a TH9 (maxed or otherwise) with these comps unless they just are terrible. Lvl 10 walls aren't stopping a Gowipe/wiwi either with jump spells. There are always ways around walls and a way to exploit a base. It isn't that hounds are overpowered.

Oh, and they already nerfed hounds btw from what they were originally. They don't need to do it again.

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Originally Posted by Rocky22

What you have to say about ALL DRAG ATTaCk AT TH7 and TH8. ??
THey are also extremly overpowered.. So whatever destroyes your base should be nerfed..

U are a Cry Baby...

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Complaining is how problems are fixed. And there is plenty of complaining for mass drags too.

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What you have to say about ALL DRAG ATTaCk AT TH7 and TH8. ??
THey are also extremly overpowered.. So whatever destroyes your base should be nerfed..

U are a Cry Baby...

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How hard did you cry when they nerfed hogs?

Not a cry baby at all...just think it's ridiculous that the only attacks I see now for max 9s such as myself is that attack...any scrub with baby heroes can do it bc you don't even need heroes for this attack.

Basically, as a th9, you're getting 290 troops to attack a base...220+30 in CC+40 minis.

Stephen Hawking and his robot voice could 3 star by just using his nose...as long as he didn't drool on the screen 3 stars.

Quad Hound users probably get the dark to pay for the hounds by zapping.

Anyways, do it while you still can to get those 1000 clan wars stars.

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Complaining is how problems are fixed. And there is plenty of complaining for mass drags too.

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People will always complain about anything regardless.

We should just nerf everything.

Nerf Jump spells and Golems too. They are too OP. Can't stop a Gowipe/Wiwi from 2-3 stars on 9's either.

Lvl 40 royals, also OP.

Mass drags at TH7..

Giant/Healer at TH6.

What a broken mess this game is....

The problem is not just that Lavaloon is overpowered. It's that games like Clash are almost impossible to balance. Some strategy will always be slightly better in most cases. If Lavaloon got nerfed, everyone would switch to the next best strategy. Then people would complain that was overpowered...

Dont spawn any pups. Just make them stop spawning pups and then people will still be able to use it as CW strategy just have to change out some loons for minions and i think it would still be 3 star strategy just not automatic like it is now

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Originally Posted by Highsenberg

How hard did you cry when they nerfed hogs?

Not a cry baby at all...just think it's ridiculous that the only attacks I see now for max 9s such as myself is that attack...any scrub with baby heroes can do it bc you don't even need heroes for this attack.

Basically, as a th9, you're getting 290 troops to attack a base...220+30 in CC+40 minis.

Stephen Hawking and his robot voice could 3 star by just using his nose...as long as he didn't drool on the screen 3 stars.

Quad Hound users probably get the dark to pay for the hounds by zapping.

Anyways, do it while you still can to get those 1000 clan wars stars.

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Talk less do more, screen shoot some of your brainless lavaloon att in clan war ?
quadloon + 4 rage spell with brainless deplyoment will gain you 3 DARK star unless you lucky enough to find poor ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed base

Any ppl can do 2 star att on TH 9 even with barch (some base), gowiwi & gowipe is a guarantee 2 star
On clan wars we preventing the third star not the second star. and you yell at the lavaloon att 2 starring TH 9 base ? seems like you never go in real wars where most of th 9 get 3 star

If with less training and practice most of ppl can 3 star with lavaloon they must consider as OP, but in fact 2 star with lavallon require many trial and error. I & some of my clan mates have been 2 month and everyday war we practice lavaloon on TH 10 and we're not yet mastering the att and still facing many fail atm. Tell me it's op with your screen shoot.

They should just make golems faster, they can jump over walls, and they you can have them target whatever defense you want...then when they die, they turn in to mini wizards who spread all over the screen and take out your traps.

Except it's not automatic, and I don't know why people keep exaggerating it as such.

I've seen TH10 Lavaloon attacks fail several times on our top 9's (some even failing entirely with zero stars). These are full on 240 space 5 spell comps with max CC's and max troops. Likewise for TH9 atks on TH9's. Seen several fail or get 1-2 stars at best in multiple wars across the board.

Now, you might first think, "well these guys were just terrible"...which is likely true and I'm not going to argue....but again perfecting the 3 and 3'ing consistently with this attack does require skill and precise planning/execution. There are also ways to defend against it from the 3.

It's not as mindless as it's being exaggerated.

The average "scrub".... as the TC so eloquently put it....does not 3 with Lavaloon on every base or even a majority of bases.

They will likely get 2 stars...which is neither impressive nor anything to get excited about and still basically a fail for a war attack in my book.

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Dont spawn any pups. Just make them stop spawning pups and then people will still be able to use it as CW strategy just have to change out some loons for minions and i think it would still be 3 star strategy just not automatic like it is now

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Now this is a really bad idea. The reason why Lava Hounds are good is that they spawn pups to clean up after they die. During a normal Lavaloon attack, the pups are the clean up force, and they are extremely weak without the support of other troops. Making them stop spawning pups is not a nerf, it basically kills the whole strategy. There won't be players using this attack if they don't spawn pups, as all the troops in Lavaloon only targets defences. Swapping loons for minions to cleanup is just not the way to do, you won't have enough firepower to take out defences.

^That may sound a bit clumsy as I am in a hurry. All I am trying to say is that Lava Hounds are good because they spawn pups. If they don't, the whole strategy will be GONE.

I'm a Lvl 106 TH9.
My clan has 52 war wins
I've been looned twice as a TH9.

GoWiXXX is what I always get hit with

it takes skill and practise to be good at lavaloon.I have been using it consistently in clan wars for the past 3-4months and yet I had a 1 star on a th 9 last war..still learning.The other guys(China) pretty much 3 starred every th9 and a few th 10s.The attacks look similar and yet they succeed and we fail..just can`t get it right.

You might as well say "no point in upgrading cannons and mortars anymore since they don't hit air".

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People will always complain about anything regardless.

We should just nerf everything.

Nerf Jump spells and Golems too. They are too OP. Can't stop a Gowipe/Wiwi from 2-3 stars on 9's either.

Lvl 40 royals, also OP.

Mass drags at TH7..

Giant/Healer at TH6.

What a broken mess this game is....

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What about TH8 ?

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What about TH8 ?

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Mass dragons can also take out th8s.

I agree 100%. Every single attack on me is a Lavaloonion, it's getting ridiculous now.

Inferno towers set to single will demolish lava hounds, however those are unlocked at th10. Upgrading to th10 and getting inferno towers are the best way to defend against hounds IMO.

As for your suggestion, I also think the lava ballonian strategy is a bit OP. I havent been raided by such an attack yet, but I was looking at the army composition of the top 200 players. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM USES THE LAVA BALLONIAN STRATEGY. GoWiWI and GoWiPe are used also, but lava ballonian and hog riders are used more (dragloon and and other areal attacks also popular at TH9) It does make walls less useful late-game.

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Originally Posted by Highsenberg

Time for Super Cell to switch things up with the hounds. Basically everyone has seen the same YouTube video now, and it's 4 lava hounds, the rest loons, usually more loons in cc, sometimes wiz.

No point in even doing walls anymore, because my base gets 2 and 3 starred now no problem from scrub TH9s that have level 2 hounds. No skill involved, you just have to be sober enough to place a rage spell...outside buildings? Don't worry about them, bc all your troops ignore those until the defenses are dead.

I think it's time for some kind of change to the lava hound....because when every person does basically the same attack, you know something is OP.

I'm a max 9 with Lego walls lvl 20 heroes, and I cannot stop this damn attack...I know it's coming, all my mines are set around the air defenses, I even have my skulls set to air., I've done drags in CC, all archers, a combo of all archers and a few wizards...nothing works.

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Bro wheres that vid, upgrading my hounds to lvl two as we post
who who who who who let the dogs out?

I could see them nerfing the movement speed.

Its so easy to get another 1 or 2 lava hounds in there to start soaking..

Dude Who's stopping you,You also use the sam attack Strategy!!!

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Lava hound attacks require a lot of skill, as well ad preparation. In order to pull off a successful lavaloon(nion) attack, you have to scout a base over and over again, predict and plan where your loons and hounds will go, and also require quick reaction time during the attack to decide wherr to place those rage spells.

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Why do you need quick reaction time when you've already scouted the base. You should already know your rage placement upon developing an attack which is part of your preparations. You butter it up too much.

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What about TH8 ?

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Most TH8's can be decimated by hogs/drags...with Gowipe for the safe 2 on bases you can't 3 with hogs or drags.

Hogs typically are king at TH8 vs. TH8 unless AD's are weak.

I can see why people get upset. You spend hundreds of millions of gold on maxing walls, and everyone just flies over them!

That's just life though...

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I can seehttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items...rrow-10x10.png why people get upset. You spend hundreds of millions of gold on maxing walls, and everyone just flies over them!

That's just life though...

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There are always ways around walls.

Jump spells and air attacks exist for a reason....

High lvl walls will however slow down ground assaults considerably, even after jump spells are used. It can often be the difference between a 2 or 3 star as well.

It is unwise to neglect your walls, and lvl 10+ walls are quite good.

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Talk less do more, screen shoot some of your brainless lavaloon att in clan war ?
quadloon + 4 rage spell with brainless deplyoment will gain you 3 DARK star unless you lucky enough to find poor ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed base

Any ppl can do 2 star att on TH 9 even with barch (some base), gowiwi & gowipe is a guarantee 2 star
On clan wars we preventing the third star not the second star. and you yell at the lavaloon att 2 starring TH 9 base ? seems like you never go in real wars where most of th 9 get 3 star

If with less training and practice most of ppl can 3 star with lavaloon they must consider as OP, but in fact 2 star with lavallon require many trial and error. I & some of my clan mates have been 2 month and everyday war we practice lavaloon on TH 10 and we're not yet mastering the att and still facing many fail atm. Tell me it's op with your screen shoot.

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Did they nerf Lavaloonion combo already? It is not working well with me anymore. Most of the time, I got always 3 stars... black. :unsure:

Yes, u nercroed a thread from April 6th...

Wizzie Ts are the key. Make sure they don't shoot at the Lavas when they are above the AD. Keep them Zapping the loons. And put two of your wizzies overlapping each other and the loons will just disappear. And all red bombs around one WT for a quick melt (make sure the red bombs are in the opposite direction that your AS blow cause that is where the loons will come from). You will still get 2**'d but never 3. Then it forces people to use a more difficult strategy like GoLaLoon which can still 3*** my base if someone does it right.

You're talking about quad laloon or penta? both attack are not certain three stars on good base design

If spam hounds is tripling your base then you need to redesign it ASAP!

also WTs should be grouped and teslas places near them....teslas>loons

Use a ring base at TH10, problem solved


air only raids do so poorly on me I put two bows down

If your air defense can't get stronger..

Re-design your base so that your air defense are towards the center and spread out the rest of your base.

This way the Air Pigs have to travel further to get to center, and get a concentrated attack from air defense.

ALSO, the balloons will take longer to travel around, giving yourself time to pick them off..

Otherwise, i'd bite the bullet and wait for people to change their attack strategy..

CHEERS!