Town Hall 8 - Unbalanced Gold/Elixir spending before wall upgrades.

​Upgrading from a fully upgraded Town Hall 7 base to a fully upgraded Town Hall 8 base at the moment costs about 67 million elixir and approximately 239 million gold. This means that if you are a player that wants to max out everything before moving onto Town Hall 9; it currently costs you approximately 3.6 times more the amount of Gold than it does in Elixir, which means that most players have to either waste elixir in raids or let other players steal their significant excess of elixir.

This is because Town Hall 8 is the first time that Gold Upgrade Costs (not including Wall upgrades) are higher than the Elixir Upgrade Costs. Its about 110 million gold for non-wall Gold upgrades and 67 million elixir for elixir upgrades.

This equates to a fraction of gold to elixir that is 110/67 = 1.64. Comparing this to Town Hall 7 and any town hall before Town Hall 8, this number is always a fraction which is less than 1, because the gold costs are always less than the elixir costs before any wall upgrades.

Town Hall 9 and Town Hall 10 used to have the same issue as Town Hall 8 has with excessive gold upgrade spending compared to elixir upgrade spending before any wall upgrades, except Supercell introduced elixir wall upgrades for walls levels 7 and above to try and balance this excessive spending.

However, this did not work as it was too easy to upgrade level 7 walls at Town Hall 7 as the cost of non-wall gold upgrades at Town Hall 7 is still lower than the Elixir upgrade costs. So as most players know, Supercell removed this ability for walls level 7 and 8 to try and balance it, but this removal was too much as it has brought back the issue for Town Hall 8, which now has a unbalanced gold/elixir spending ratio again.

So to fix this issue, Supercell needs to bring back elixir upgrades for level 8 walls, as it is unfair at the moment. If this cannot be done, then Supercell should possibly remove elixir wall upgrades for level 9 to 11 walls again, to make the game fair again.

All gold/elixir costs taken from: http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Cumulative_Costs

I thought it was going to be a fair proposition.
I was wrong.
It was just an intelligent way of saying "TH8 Imbalance plz fix Supercell:(:(:( ok add lvl 7 lix wall:confused::cool::cool::cool:".

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Originally Posted by Arasein

I thought it was going to be a fair proposition.
I was wrong.
It was just an intelligent way of saying "TH8 Imbalance plz fix Supercell:(:(:( ok add lvl 7 lix wall:confused::cool::cool::cool:".

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Well isn't this the place to post propositions?

I mean i thought we are in the poropsal forum, right?

Anyway,
I agree with the OP, the amount pf gold needed at th8 is ridiculous. It took me almost 3 months to max th8 walls.


If Arasein has ever been to th8 and maxed it then he would understand.

But from his "troll like" behaviour and need for attention on a video game forum. I'm guessing he has a rushed base and hasnt had a chance to see how stressful th8 walls are or he is still a low lvl who has no idea what it takes to max th8.

At TH8, I didn't max it out only because I was wasting elixir. If I could still upgrade walls with elixir, I wouldn't maxed out my walls as well. Because of the wall grinding I did at the end of TH8, I didn't go for any elixir, so my Elixir Escapade is about 60 million lower than my gold grab, I think.

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Originally Posted by WickidInsaneCoC

Well isn't this the place to post propositions?

I mean i thought we are in the poropsal forum, right?

Anyway,
I agree with the OP, the amount pf gold needed at th8 is ridiculous. It took me almost 3 months to max th8 walls.


If Arasein has ever been to th8 and maxed it then he would understand.

But from his "troll like" behaviour and need for attention on a video game forum. I'm guessing he has a rushed base and hasnt had a chance to see how stressful th8 walls are or he is still a low lvl who has no idea what it takes to max th8.

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Originally Posted by TheShadow23

At TH8, I didn't max it out only because I was wasting elixir. If I could still upgrade walls with elixir, I wouldn't maxed out my walls as well. Because of the wall grinding I did at the end of TH8, I didn't go for any elixir, so my Elixir Escapade is about 60 million lower than my gold grab, I think.

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This is why something has to be done to resolve this, as Town Hall 8 should not have to be rushed to save elixir, and also it should not be the main source for looting elixir too.

It screwed up the game the first time, it would screw it up again.

The rushing was your own choice. Blame yourself if it didn't work out. Enjoy it if it did. Either way its all you man.


Pasted from a similar thread..... (note the reasoning behind their choice and the proof they had, it was not a guess)

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

They did set it up wrong, that's why they had to correct it by removing it for lower level walls. This thread is basically asking them to repeat their mistake.

I did not capitalize either I did a few walls that way but I did not know at the time is was a limited window of opportunity plus I simply could not find ANY loot not gold or elixir because it had all gone into walls. I had stopped raiding and was putting into my own walls all the loot that my collectors/mines made. And since walls were not that expensive at that level I (and everyone else) never needed to save up any significant amount before I could dump it again. So I wasn't raiding and I wasn't getting raided. Nor was anyone else. That is the situation they are avoiding and should be.

I think OP and a few other guys here are thinking only about themselves and not about the game as a whole. I also think they are short sighted in their assumption that after they spend their excess lix on walls they can just raid for more to keep that going. They don't understand that if they did this they would find themselves suddenly unable to get more because it will have all dried up again. Maybe they are planning on gemming it is all I can see they might be thinking.

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Why does everyone always complain about the excess elixir at th8? You can either stay there and waste all of your elixir or make the smart move and go to th9. Dont worry about upgrading your defenses at th9 at first until you have your walls where you want them to be; just work on walls, troops, and army camps to use your elixir towards something useful...

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

It screwed up the game the first time, it would screw it up again. . .

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This 1000 times. The ironic part is that once they upgrade to TH9 they will be the loudest to complain about too much elixir being spent by TH8's.

there's a reason why it was reworked, it did bad more than it did good

who is affected when they reworked it? TH8s that are trying to max
who was affected at the initial release of the elixir walls? ALL TH9s (not just those who are trying to max) and in turn also most TH10s (even those that are already maxed, cooking troops for pushing and war still costs elixir)

if they bring it down again, TH8s that are going for max will benefit, not all (not everyone is going for maxed base
but TH9s and 10 will be affected by it negatively

and I think making most TH9/10 happy is better than making some TH8s happy

some older players views that SC is taking care too much of the new players, and leaving the older players....there...
making the change back, will make it look that way too


I normally don't respond on elixir walls thread here in IFR, cause it will just pop out again tomorrow... by a different user...then the day after that...
then the day after that...
then the day after that...
then the day after that...
then maybe a rare day when it won't appear...
but it will appear again the day after that...
then the day after that...
then the day after that...

(similar to donate resources posts)

Seriously just move up to th9 or th8.5 I guess - a few missed skullies isn't going to hurt anything. then you can max lab, max drills, unlock AQ and begin the long hero grind while you get you walls up. Trust me, your elixir "problems" will evaporate into thin air.