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I registered just to beg for this. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
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And no.
YESSS!! I'm a town hall 9, all my walls are level 7 or level 9, and I have completed ALL elixir upgrades, both on my base and in the lab, so literally the ONLY thing I can do is upgrade walls. So what I am doing is, when I accumulate 1mil elixir, I use 500k gold to upgrade a wall to level 8, then use the elixir to upgrade it to lvl 9. It makes my base look ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed, and it holds my gold production back
It would destroy the economy, especially for higher town hall.
Wow tough break. Those upgrade choices you made are going t0o frustrate you for a while. But they cant just go screw up the whole game just to help some guy that rushed his THQuote:
Originally Posted by MNvikingsfan1
Just hang in there until you get it done. Then you can join the rest of us in advising guys not to rush their bases, getting ignored, then listening to them complain about how tough it is. After this is over you will be a well educated player. (I rushed mine too and had to get myself out of it the hard way so I understand this)
ECONOMYQuote:
Originally Posted by NF2335
a. Careful, thrifty management of resources, such as money, materials, or labor:
So what economy does this damage?
How does this affect higher th, when th9 walls can use elixar?
Who does it harm to use elixar?
Besides ones own base, my walls dont effect anyone. Seeing as every raid i get attacked with after th8 is a loon/lavaloon unless by a Th sniper, or a barcher for my "collectors"
But anyone who wants my storages hits me with an actual raid.
I mean they only took out elixar from th6-8 so how does this affect us higher Th's?
But i agree elixar should be aloud to be used at th8.
500k gold X 200+ walls the math was something like 120mil roughly just to max th8 walls..!.!.
It took me almost 3 months to do my th8 walls.
That is a lot of raiding and wasted time on walls that will not matter at higher ths due to the ability to lavaloon and loonion.
They didn't so much take it out as they found out after a short but disastrous experiment that it destroys the economy. It did too. the game got totally messed up and it was months before things righted themselves again.
Before that short experiment there was none of this so please don't talk about this like they took away some longstanding mainstay of the game everybody depended on.
I would love to have this back, since I still have a few Lv7 walls left to upgrade to Skulls. But please use the search function before you post, there have been multiple posts on this subject already.
That's just cause it was set up wrong from the beginning IMO. I'll have 5 builders and my lab now sit idol for months cause everything else is maxed. Means walls aren't leveled well IIke everything else And never were.Quote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjr
I'll give you this. Those that capitalized on it while it was in effect, even for 7 walls, now have an unfair advantage.
Omg. No. No. No.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasutton
I'm an essentially maxed TH8 and am only working on upgrading my collectors to their final level while grinding out LVL 8 walls. Honestly I think they should bring it back somehow because I have had max elixir for the past 3 weeks because there is nothing to use it on after the lab is maxed out. It doesn't have to be directly equal to gold, even making LVL 8 walls cost twice as much (1 mil. per wall) it would at least give people in a similar position to me something to do with their elixir.
Unfortunately this can not be implemented due to the fact that it would easily cause a shortage of elixir within the game. You wouldn't even be able to get the elixir you need to upgrade your walls.
"Essentially maxed" rofl ill have to remember that one:smirk:Quote:
Originally Posted by tediferjones
It's not an unfair advantage when you could have capitalized on it as well - you just chose not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasutton
I was th7 on both accounts then so no, you're wrong. Nice try.Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979
That's unfortunate, no one is forcing you to max out your walls. I have seen successful TH 9's up at champions with pink/purple walls, they were able to win many raids and now they are fully maxed out including walls. Level 8 walls aren't even expensive, it only takes around 2 good raids to get another one.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasutton
I hate reading these type of threads. It irritates me more than anything on the forums. You know what is so cool? That so many of us max th8 including walls WITHOUT ELIXIR! OMG SO COOL! Please stop posting these threads.
Sincerely, an irritated piece of toast.
agreed. I am still covering up for my rushing because I can't play much. I'm th8 and still dont have all level seven walls (206 lvl 7, 19 lvl 6)Quote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjr
I agree that walls are ridiculously expensive, and I think they should be able to be upgraded with elixir as well. I dont see why it would destroy the economy of the whole game, because it would be the PLAYER'S choics whether to use elixir. Not for all walls, but maybe when upgrading to level 8?
On my TH8 mini, I've been just mass dragging, gowiping, mass pekking, mass wizarding people for fun since I have nothing else to do with elixir. I drop lightning just to spite people...I donate wiz all day everyday. Sometimes pekka lvl3 even if it says "archers only" haha. I don't think anybody in my clan questions my mini TH8.
I look for 400k+ loots with a lot of black stuff with my raids. About 8-10 raids a day..better than barching all day because that's what you'll do as a TH9 for months!! I'm in 1700 Gold II right now. So fun violating TH9s precious stuff they try to protect with their overrated xbows! Especially if they ignored skull walls as TH8...TH9s with purple walls is like a buffet for my pekkas.
Have fun with your elixir...TH9s gonna be a blast barching for it. BAM whatever it gets old after awhile
I really agree! I'm tired of maxing th8
They did set it up wrong, that's why they had to correct it by removing it for lower level walls. This thread is basically asking them to repeat their mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjrThey didn't so much take it out as they found out after a short but disastrous experiment that it destroys the economy. It did too. the game got totally messed up and it was months before things righted themselves again.
Before that short experiment there was none of this so please don't talk about this like they took away some longstanding mainstay of the game everybody depended on.
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Originally Posted by rasutton
I did not capitalize either I did a few walls that way but I did not know at the time is was a limited window of opportunity plus I simply could not find ANY loot not gold or elixir because it had all gone into walls. I had stopped raiding and was putting into my own walls all the loot that my collectors/mines made. And since walls were not that expensive at that level I (and everyone else) never needed to save up any significant amount before I could dump it again. So I wasn't raiding and I wasn't getting raided. Nor was anyone else. That is the situation they are avoiding and should be.
I think OP and a few other guys here are thinking only about themselves and not about the game as a whole. I also think they are short sighted in their assumption that after they spend their excess lix on walls they can just raid for more to keep that going. They don't understand that if they did this they would find themselves suddenly unable to get more because it will have all dried up again. Maybe they are planning on gemming it is all I can see they might be thinking.
When I was towards the end of my TH7, I got to a point where I had a few defensive buildings to upgrade, and walls from 6-7, a minion upgrade, and my barbarian king to upgrade, nothing at all to spend elixir on. I started using full dragon armies, if I had a shield up and 500k + elixir I would log on and go into a single player mission and drop all my dragons and 3 rage spells (basically just throwing 390k elixir into nothingness) I kept my elixir below 500k at all times to keep people from doing a full raid on me and getting gold/DE.
I threw somewhere around 40 million elixir into nothingness.
If instead of not allowing walls to upgraded with elixir from 6 to 7 and 7 to 8 they did something along the lines of only allowing you to upgrade with elixir if after the upgrade you have FULL elixir storages, then I would't have thrown any elixir into nothingness. At TH 7 I believe the cap is 1,562,500, if you are a TH7 you would have to have 1,762,500 or more to upgrade a wall from 6 to 7.
Agree. I also rushed my base to th 7 for the drags (worst mistake ever) so I know where your comin from by sayin "Don't rush your th!" "Nah" "Ok! I warned you" "OH NO IM SO DOOMED CAUSE I RUSHED"Quote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjr
After that I cant help but laugh
Getting the goblin map bumped out is not bad for using it. I also did some war practicing of different strategies. Since lix was in excess there was not a risk from losing so it was a good time to experiment and practice. That did help, because my attacking skills did take a noticeable bump.Quote:
Originally Posted by itmustbeaustin
And yeah, you can do dragon raids to the point where you actually do learn the skill factor behind them, but after you go TH9 that info is less useful because you start needing other methods.
And there is always DE zapping. push up, make spells, and zap away not caring that you are way overspending for what you get. That way you can get in a hero upgrade or maybe 2 while you are finishing up defensive buildings.
I even for one day (I don't recommend this, it was just a mood thing) put a full lix storage off in a corner and let a few guys have their fun. I am sure some eyes got big when they saw that. I was pushed down at the time so it was lower levels getting the free candy.
The bottom line though is that when confronted with this I had fun and was good natured about it. I think what we have here are a few guys stressing over it a bit much. (IE the title reflects more than a little anxiety) The reason I say have fun is because it is only a passing phase and soon enough you will be struggling to have the lix on hand that you need to operate and will miss this phase of the growth.
TH7 was able to use elixir for walls. So no, you're wrong. Nice try.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasuttonI was th7 on both accounts then so no, you're wrong. Nice try.Quote:
Originally Posted by badfish1979It's not an unfair advantage when you could have capitalized on it as well - you just chose not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasutton
BTW - before the December 2014 update, TH7s didn't have a DE drill and TH8s only had one drill. So you TH7s and TH8s have an "unfair advantage" over everyone that's now TH9+ using your logic.
You can spend your gold AND your elixir on walls, and you're complaining? :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by MNvikingsfan1
Unfair advantage? Supercell ended the elixir for walls almost 4 months ago, if I recall correctly. You can't look at a base now and tell me whether they used elixir for walls 4 months ago. A near-maxed TH8 then could be a mid-TH9 by now, with a full set of level 9 walls and working on level 10 walls. With or without the elixir walls at level 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasutton
And anyway, people who started playing the game before you have an "unfair" advantage over you, regardless of whether they used elixir for walls. Are you going to complain that it's not fair that some people started playing the game before you?
Elixir for level 8 walls is a touchy subject. TH8's could use it, but it's honestly not a huge deal. The problem with TH8 is that they have too much elixir, which is NOT the same thing as not having enough gold. However, if you let TH8's spend their elixir on walls, what will happen is that TH9's will not have enough elixir. That's a much worse problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by tediferjones
The trick, then, is to give TH8's something to spend their excess elixir on, but in a way that doesn't remove all that excess elixir from the economy. Making level 8 walls cost 1M elixir (but still only 500k gold) is an option. It would still drain a ton of elixir from the economy, because TH8's still wouldn't have anything to spend elixir on, so they'd be dumping all of it. But they'd have more in storage on average, simply because they couldn't dump all of it at once.
There's no easy solution to this one. Asking for elixir walls back is pointless. Supercell won't do it. Why? Because they already did it, and players quit the game because of it. Not the TH8's, mind you. They loved it. No, the TH9's and TH10's.
But, that doesn't mean there isn't a solution that can work.
A) I seriously doubt you threw away 40 million elixir at TH7, unless you're just really bad at resource management. TH7 isn't evenly balanced in terms of gold versus elixir, but the resources are nowhere near that far out of balance. Or unless this was before the drill at TH7, and you were just bad at farming DE.Quote:
Originally Posted by itmustbeaustin
B) Why throw the elixir away? Put your elixir storages outside and let people take it for free. The elixir doesn't get wasted, and you either get a free win (if all they wanted was the elixir) or a free TH snipe (if your TH is outside as well). And that's 2 fewer storages you have to make room for in your base to defend. There's very little downside.
Ummmmmmmmmmm No!
I would love this so much!!! And I'm really annoyed. But if you think about it, SC is probably even more annoyed with all these posts. I think SC would actually loose more players but NOT adding this feature. And the majority of people would be happy if this happened. We will see if SC really cares about there players. Or just wants $$$.
we can tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasutton
you didn't read the stickies
you didn't use the search function
and
this would RUIN the economy for the top players....and i'm not a top player, so this would benefit me........but look at the long run. I am going to be max th10 for WAY longer than any other th lvl, so I want it to be as good as possible when I get there........DUH!!!!!!!!!
Apparently, you weren't here on the forums between September and December.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeepFriedBanana
You still see a "loot is bad" thread every now and then, but....
You will soon be a townhall 9 and right off the bat you will want to upgradeQuote:
Originally Posted by tediferjones
Lab: 2.5M
Spell Factory: 1.5M
Army Camps: 9M
Dark Barracks (1 to start): 6.25M
Dark elixir Drill: 24M
Lab upgrades
Loons: 6M
Giants: 6M
Archers: 6M
Barbs: 4.5M
So we are now upto 65.75M near the start of th9. Now you take a bunch of th8s, no elixir upgrades left so anytime they have over 500k they dump it into walls meaning you can raid 70k elixir and good luck. Elixir was so bad at th9 that people stopped warring because they couldn't fund war armies and donations. People just weren't donating troops since they couldn't even raid enough to cover their own armies.
Elixir for walls was broken, they have put a band aid on it. Personally I would prefer to see elixir for walls start at lvl10 or not at all (I'm 25% lvl9 walls rest lvl8 at the moment so this would hurt me personally) since once th9s can dump elixir into walls we won't see anymore elixir then 120k which just isn't worth it spread between 4 storages.
This is absolutely false. There are far more people that exist from TH1-early TH8 and TH9-TH10 than there are at late TH8.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeepFriedBanana
You are asking for a change that would destroy the game for most players so only those players at late TH8 can benefit.
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Originally Posted by itmustbeaustin
But what do you think about his suggestion for making them stay above the maximum lootable threshold in order to use elixir to do walls?Quote:
Originally Posted by rwelshjr
You know I'm ok with it. I would set the threshold up in the 2-3mill range myself but it benefits both sides with only emotional baggage as downsides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goobers