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As we all know, the top 3 clans receive gems every 1 or 2 weeks. This means players like Jorge Yao, who I have nothing against, is able to grow freely as everyone else has to work for their status. It's good for the top players and they deserve a reward but does it have to be every week and such a high reward? It doesn't give anyone else an opportunity to move up. Don't get me wrong with this post, I love clash, it's my favorite game, but just see if this gets seen and fixed.:)
The top players pay far more in gems to keep their places than they receive for being in the top 3 clans, so yes it is completely fair.
How do you do it zach, you beat everyone to almost every thread...but yeah what zach saidQuote:
Originally Posted by zachUVA
I'm not sure you know the meaning of the term "high reward"...Quote:
Originally Posted by superchopper
Im pretty sure that 2000 gems a week is a pretty high reward. That's the equivalent of 2.75 million of either resource every week for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mendax
That prize is awarded every other week.Quote:
Originally Posted by superchopper
i dont think its fair. he doesnt have anything to invest his gems in anyways
They buy millions of elixirs and dark elixirs to supply their army and insta build everything..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackar
thats not really that much isnt it .. about 390k per day.. about 3 attacks? at maybe th7 and above?? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by superchopper
"The top players pay far more in gems to keep their places than they receive for being in the top 3 clans, so yes it is completely fair."
First, that would not be "Completely" fair. the more you spend in real money the more advantage you have in the game. Second, not all player have the ability to spend real money so they can spend"...far more in gems...". So once again this would not be fair. If paying real money gave you no advantage there would be far less players spending real money to acquiring more Gems and the game would cost more to buy. Those players that ARE spending real money on gems, are getting what they paid for by NOT waiting for building to build or by not waiting to collect gold/elixir for their next upgrade or attack. For ANY player to get an advantage week over week (or every other week in this case) based off this would be unfair. Even tho paying real money is GREAT for the company, it is not a realistic possibility for all players and therefor is not completely fair. In order for the ranking system to be COMPLETELY FAIR Supecell would need to have two different ranking systems; One with those who have not bought ANY gems and those who have (Most likely this would have to brake down into sub category's/levels 0-500 501-1200 so-on and so-on). However as long as people are able to lower their trophy count (or Jump levels) as low as they want without any penalty (not counting loosing trophy's) or without there being a bottom floor level limit the game will never be fair. I think the best solution to this problem is very simple, ranked and non-ranked battles! Non-ranked battles would allow anyone to attack anyone regardless of trophy count and/or town hall level but you would not get ANY trophy's for a win only a set amount of resources (with the player being attacked not loosing their resources). Ranked battles would only allow you to attack someone with the same town hall level but you would not be able to "Jump" levels and you would be able to gain all resources kept by that player not a limited amount/percentage. Since the levels would not be based off trophy count but the town hall level instead this would help to limit top level player(s) jumping back to the lowest levels and then slaughtering the lower ranks, like people do now. Then every other week when rewards are giving out they should be giving to the top ranked player in each town hall level. allowing for a more fair game play! Just my thoughts.
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Originally Posted by kr3g3r
They earned 20 k gems every two weeks. That 20 k is split between the top 10, which 20/10=2 so in essence the top players of the top clan are getting 2 k gems each. Every two weeks. If they had a $15 pack it would be about 2 k gems. So for them spending about $100 a week they are getting $7.5 in return, woohoo thats an amazing discount!
You are expanding this arguement further than the thread calls for. The OP was focused on whether the gem reward they get after every other week is fair...and it is. You are basically saying that gemming in and of itself is unfair because not everyone is capable of doing it. That's your opinion and that's fine, but I fail to see how an arguement can be made against the tournament reward.Quote:
Originally Posted by kr3g3r
I did not vote... As you said they "deserve" it...
I think it is fair they get the GEMS but do they really deserve it?
sorry Zach if this is prolonging the agony of this thread;)
How do they receive the gems is it automatic goes strait in there account to top players in clan or does some1 in clan decide who gets them or supercell ??
I'd just like to point out that just because you believe in your own opinion that does not necessarily mean that it's the correct one deserving of such a definitive answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by zachUVA
No matter how many gems per week the winners get it's all a free gift from the company which in turn gives these players a 'discount' for what they purchase, excluding all other purchasers from that discount. Over a period of time in between updates the people given these free gems can choose to either use them to gem troops, or they can save them up for the next update. Along comes the next update and those amassed gems are now looking good, giving paying players a free head start versus all other players non paying or not. You consider this fair? Step into one of my shops my salespeople really want to meet you =]
BTW I like the idea of gaining free gems but to call it fair is a little brainwashed and fanboyish, but good for some still ;)
Nothing in life is fair, dont worry about othersQuote:
Originally Posted by superchopper
Who else could possibly deserve them more? They are the top players in the top clans, so why are people saying they aren't deserving? I'm still waiting for this to be answered. Is what I said an opinion? Yes, but it is backed up by facts. They are the top players and they spend large sums of money to get/keep those spots, so why would you reward anyone else more than them?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnell
The question wasn't who is the most deserving the question was is it fair. Under no circumstances can anyone in their right mind consider giving the same group of people a head start on everything ingame fair. Your facts are not actually facts at all as they are irrelevant to this thread, in fact your opinion will also be seen as irrelevant to me too as you seem to have 'picked a side' and created your own argument in defence of SC when no defence is needed. Take some time out and then read the thread again :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zachUVA
How is that irrelevant? If people are deserving of getting a reward, then it is fair. If they were undeserving of the reward and get it anyway, that would be unfair. My arguement is that they are deserving because they have made it to the top of the top clans. Rewarding such an accomplisment is perfectly reasonable in my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnell
And a "head start"? Anyone willing to spend money is getting a "head start". The fact that a little, emphasis on little, bonus is given by SC, doesn't really matter at all. Jorge Yao could care less for a less than $20 bonus every other week when he is spending 50 times that to keep his spot. Sure, it is a little bonus, but it is far from the game changer that people make it out to be.
And why the need to make this personal? I'm no SC fanboy and even if I were, my opinion would still be relevant. Just because you have a different opinion doesn't make that of those who disagree with you any less valid.
Still, though, nobody has responded to my question of who should receive the gems if not those players.
This is just my take on it....
In order to illustrate why Fair and Deserved DO NOT go hand in hand i need to provide a scenario outside the game...
2 People own a Supercar each..
One Guy Worked his ♥♥♥ off to obtain the fortune he used to pay for the Car... The other was born into Money and did nothing to earn the Car... He could just afford it and wanted it!
Hard Working Guy = Fair and Deserved
Lazy Rich Dude = Fair (because he was lucky enough to be born into Money) but not Deserved
It is Fair because they can Afford to be there... Deserved not really because the playing field is not Level and it is simply down to who has the biggest wallet and free time.. (and I dont have a problem with that)
Guys this is peaceful no need to be harsh to each other we have our opinions.
I agree with that. I'm simply making the case that in THIS situation, it is both. The money aspect certainly doesn't make a level playing field, but it shouldn't be because of the nature of SC's system. That being said, pouring that much of you time into the game is necessary to get there. I think the amount of time AND (not or) miney they put into this game makes them deserving of the reward and that it is also fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear
So in essence after derailing the thread and changing the OP's question to one that suits yourself you are of the opinion that it is fair. I disagree, but if you could keep your threads concise and to the point or at least not berate others for slightly derailing (your response to Kr3g3r) then that would also be fair. Get the votes in =]Quote:
Originally Posted by zachUVA
If people think that top players are spending ungodly amounts of money primarily for the free gems, I think you're solely mistaken. It might be a nice bonus, but it's not what's driving them.
As for whether COC is fair or not, it is simply because this is how they set up the game.