Wallbreaker vs. Balloon -Abilities upon Death

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March 26th, 2015
DragonLance

Wallbreaker vs. Balloon -Abilities upon Death

Here is the idea:

The wallbreaker and balloon are basically the same thing, except one goes after walls and is a ground troop the other defenses and is a flying unit, respectively. Now, Balloons have been given a splash damage upon death, but what about the wallbreakers? Currently upon death wallbreakers do nothing.
Shouldn't they be given the same effect upon death, i.e. the splash attack that does some damage? or is this something distinct, and keeps them apart?

Let me know what you think.
March 26th, 2015
Drackos

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Originally Posted by DragonLance

Here is the idea:

The wallbreaker and balloon are basically the same thing, except one goes after walls and is a ground troop the other defenses and is a flying unit, respectively. Now, Balloons have been given a splash damage upon death, but what about the wallbreakers? Shouldn't they be given the same effect seeing as they are roughly the same unit? or is this something distinct, and keeps them apart?

Let me know what you think.

One targets walls. One targets defenses. One is air, one isn't. One has high by points, one is as strong as a turtle.

Very different.
March 26th, 2015
Evbot10s

Isn't the suicide of the wall breaker a good enough splash effect? I don't see the need.
March 26th, 2015
DragonLance

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Originally Posted by Evbot10s

Isn't the suicide of the wall breaker a good enough splash effect? I don't see the need.

The point is that wallbreakers do nothing if killed before reaching their target, not that they already commited suicide and then give damage.
March 26th, 2015
Jomarx3me

the mechanics of a wall breaker is they kamikaze on a wall
but it's melee, and will take 1s to "activate" the kmikaze
if it activates the kamikaze, it will deal 2tiles in splash

making them still activate kamikaze on death will make their range 2 tiles, and they can be effectively used without buffer tanks

I'd normally don't want this kind of changes, but its a buff to ground attacks
so, why not? :thumbsup:
March 26th, 2015
Drackos

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Originally Posted by DragonLance

The point is that wallbreakers do nothing if killed before reaching their target, not that they already commited suicide and then give damage.

Thats the idea. You simply use Giants to tank. Issue solved.
March 27th, 2015
rwelshjr

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Originally Posted by DragonLance

Here is the idea:

The wallbreaker and balloon are basically the same thing, except one goes after walls and is a ground troop the other defenses and is a flying unit, respectively. Now, Balloons have been given a splash damage upon death, but what about the wallbreakers? Currently upon death wallbreakers do nothing.
Shouldn't they be given the same effect upon death, i.e. the splash attack that does some damage? or is this something distinct, and keeps them apart?

Let me know what you think.

When a little guy gets killed why carrying a bomb he never gets his chance to trigger it. When a balloon falls from the sky it is a heavy object crashing down on what is below it. So there is a certain amount of damage to whatever it falls on. But for it too, its bomb does not detonate.
March 27th, 2015
Theking8133

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

When a little guy gets killed why carrying a bomb he never gets his chance to trigger it. When a balloon falls from the sky it is a heavy object crashing down on what is below it. So there is a certain amount of damage to whatever it falls on. But for it too, its bomb does not detonate.

But isn't the bomb with a wallbreaker a fuse based bomb, so killing the troop wouldn't stop detonation. It should just drop where it is and detonate.
March 27th, 2015
tomatosarenice

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonLance

Here is the idea:

The wallbreaker and balloon are basically the same thing, except one goes after walls and is a ground troop the other defenses and is a flying unit, respectively. Now, Balloons have been given a splash damage upon death, but what about the wallbreakers? Currently upon death wallbreakers do nothing.
Shouldn't they be given the same effect upon death, i.e. the splash attack that does some damage? or is this something distinct, and keeps them apart?

Let me know what you think.

Well loons seem to carry shock-sensitive bombs, as they are dropped (at which point they explode). Wall breakers look as if they have a fuse-based bomb, meaning the bomb needs someone to light the fuse for it to go off. It's incredibly unlikely that the loon skeletons time the fuse to go off as soon as the bomb hits the ground since, in which case, the wall breakers should be able to do the same when running at a wall. And to those that believe that since it's fuse based the skeleton could die once the fuse was lit, you'd be correct, but I'm sure it'd be annoying for SC to make it such that the bomb only blows when it's next to a wall, and not when the skeleton dies elsewhere. So there's your reason :thumbsup:

Also, with proper timing, dropping wallbreakers so that they don't get shot down by mortars isn't terribly difficult, so not sure how useful this'd be.
March 27th, 2015
rwelshjr

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Originally Posted by Theking8133

But isn't the bomb with a wallbreaker a fuse based bomb, so killing the troop wouldn't stop detonation. It should just drop where it is and detonate.

No, he doesn't light it until he gets there. That's why there is that little delay while he does that.
March 27th, 2015
kyleksq

This is a good idea...

This is a good idea.

I seem to have a knack for placing wallbreakers right where the mortars land.. I think a little perk to the wallbreaker is needed.

+1
March 27th, 2015
Theking8133

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

No, he doesn't light it until he gets there. That's why there is that little delay while he does that.

Re-watch your animation. The pause is the skeleton placing the bomb down. They never show him physically lighting the bomb.
March 27th, 2015
rwelshjr

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Originally Posted by kyleksq

This is a good idea.

I seem to have a knack for placing wallbreakers right where the mortars land.. I think a little perk to the wallbreaker is needed.

+1

I think you need to work on your timing. Especially if you are sending them all in a bunch so that the mortar gets them all you need to practice more.
March 27th, 2015
rwelshjr

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Originally Posted by Theking8133

Re-watch your animation. The pause is the skeleton placing the bomb down. They never show him physically lighting the bomb.

It gets lit has he puts it down. Its not lit ahead of time because he doesn't know how much time he has until he finds his target. He can even change his mind at the last second if his original target gets blown up because he has not triggered the bomb yet.
March 27th, 2015
DragonLance

It never gets lit, as far as I can tell

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Originally Posted by rwelshjr

It gets lit has he puts it down. Its not lit ahead of time because he doesn't know how much time he has until he finds his target. He can even change his mind at the last second if his original target gets blown up because he has not triggered the bomb yet.

Just played through a raid, and zoomed in really close, (I play on a tablet so I can get the picture real big), as to what I saw the bomb is never "lit", it is only set down. If you look at a stored WB that is walking around in your Army Camp, you can see how it walks around with its bomb, it walks EXACTLY the same way on the battlefield. The bomb is triggered when it is set down...

So isn't it set down when he dies? shouldn't there be some damage done?