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March 25th, 2015
iGhostex

Wall level 7

Supercell dear,
I'd like to ask a favor of me as my friends. I saw that in the new update you put the construction of the walls with the elixir from the walls to 9, whereas before you could build from level 7. This update has a little difficulty in both me and my friends. I would ask, if possible, remove this component and get it back as before, also because I think it is not right that people who play longer than I have been able to take advantage of this component strunks new "generation" of leaders of villages it can't do.
March 25th, 2015
Xitra

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Originally Posted by iGhostex

Supercell dear,
I'd like to ask a favor of me as my friends. I saw that in the new update you put the construction of the walls with the elixir from the walls to 9, whereas before you could build from level 7. This update has a little difficulty in both me and my friends. I would ask, if possible, remove this component and get it back as before, also because I think it is not right that people who play longer than I have been able to take advantage of this component strunks new "generation" of leaders of villages it can't do.

Hmm, I'm going to assume you mean upgrading level 6 walls to level 7. (You mentioned the update changed it to 9, and currently we can upgrade from level 8 to level 9 with elixir.)

Honestly, a TH7 should not have problems upgrading walls with gold only. If all your elixir upgrades are done (all 4 camps to level 6, all 4 barracks to level 9, the dark barracks to level 2, DE storage to level 2, drill to level 3, all 6 gold mines to level 11, spell factory, lab, and all research), then all your gold upgrades (defensive buildings and traps) should be done as well, with the exception of your walls. And even if you spent the bare minimum elixir on armies (barch, BAM), you should still have almost half your walls done. Getting the other half of the walls done with only gold should be pretty easy (they're only 200k a piece, that's only one good raid or two decent raids). If you need a place to save on gold, don't upgrade the elixir collectors to level 11. I mean, the cost is minimal (only about 1M gold to upgrade all 6), but you'll save a lot of builder time, and your gold output will exceed your elixir output, which will make it feel like you're not wasting elixir.

If your elixir upgrades are done, and you're still working on defensive buildings and all your walls, then something went wrong. Either you didn't farm enough gold, or you spent too much gold rearming traps and hitting Next.
March 25th, 2015
Galath

It is for economy balancing, TH7 and 8s without elixir and gold would destroy the game.
March 25th, 2015
Drackos

Walls have been like that for months. It's not new. I assume you're a new 7.
March 25th, 2015
Mobad

I seriously don't get that

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Originally Posted by Galath

It is for economy balancing, TH7 and 8s without elixir and gold would destroy the game.

Why would it destroy the game? I'm a th8 sitting on maxed out elixer storages. Lab is busy, so nothing to do with it. All barracks upgraded. Nothing left to do with elixer but troop upgrades which take so long I'll be sitting on excess for a couple of months. There will be zero excess gold though as I loot what I need and then spend it immediately. So I just put my elixer storages outside and take the 300000 hit. So a th9 or 10 can come along and loot it and use it for THEIR walls, but I cant. Seems really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed to me, but payback is a bee ache. Got my lightning spells to 5. I will trade the elixer for dark. Seems the only fair solution to me.
March 25th, 2015
Ectar

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Originally Posted by Mobad

Why would it destroy the game? I'm a th8 sitting on maxed out elixer storages. Lab is busy, so nothing to do with it. All barracks upgraded. Nothing left to do with elixer but troop upgrades which take so long I'll be sitting on excess for a couple of months. There will be zero excess gold though as I loot what I need and then spend it immediately. So I just put my elixer storages outside and take the 300000 hit. So a th9 or 10 can come along and loot it and use it for THEIR walls, but I cant. Seems really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed to me, but payback is a bee ache. Got my lightning spells to 5. I will trade the elixer for dark. Seems the only fair solution to me.

how weird you asked and answered your own question
March 25th, 2015
Drackos

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Originally Posted by Mobad

Why would it destroy the game? I'm a th8 sitting on maxed out elixer storages. Lab is busy, so nothing to do with it. All barracks upgraded. Nothing left to do with elixer but troop upgrades which take so long I'll be sitting on excess for a couple of months. There will be zero excess gold though as I loot what I need and then spend it immediately. So I just put my elixer storages outside and take the 300000 hit. So a th9 or 10 can come along and loot it and use it for THEIR walls, but I cant. Seems really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed to me, but payback is a bee ache. Got my lightning spells to 5. I will trade the elixer for dark. Seems the only fair solution to me.

You would have no loot then. That's the issue. The prices are not high to enough to where users aren't using Elixer it gold 24/7. You wousk likely never have loot available of you had the ability to upgrade walls.
March 25th, 2015
Mobad

Ah your wrong

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

You would have no loot then. That's the issue. The prices are not high to enough to where users aren't using Elixer it gold 24/7. You wousk likely never have loot available of you had the ability to upgrade walls.

Collectors always collecting and peoples gotta sleep sometime. I don't feel the need to go down a th level or two just to flex my muscle and loot off the little guys. Getting 50% while learning what xbows and inferno towers can do is plenty fine by me. Especially if they got those collectors fully upgraded.
March 25th, 2015
Xitra

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Originally Posted by Mobad

Collectors always collecting and peoples gotta sleep sometime. I don't feel the need to go down a th level or two just to flex my muscle and loot off the little guys. Getting 50% while learning what xbows and inferno towers can do is plenty fine by me. Especially if they got those collectors fully upgraded.

Just because you can, doesn't mean everyone else can. And I don't just mean whether or not they can do it with things the way they are right now. I'm talking about whether they could, after level 8 elixir walls were brought back.

Right now, you hit TH8's and up for loot. Cool, good for you.

Meanwhile, TH9's and TH10's are dumping all their excess gold and elixir into walls. They don't have enough in storage to feed each other, and the loot has to come from somewhere.

No, not from collectors. If 10,000 active TH9's want to farm 3M gold/elixir per day, that would require a minimum of 60,000 TH9's to be raided for 250k twice a day (i.e., collector raids). That means that you need at least 6x as many dead bases as active bases. Active players farming each other means an active player has to go down for an active player to go up. Oh, you session raid? Well, if 10,000 TH9's want to session raid against active TH9's, that means 100,000 or more active TH9's have to be raided by those 10,000 TH9's that are session raiding. I hope you realize that this necessarily implies that collectors at TH9 are not enough to feed the TH9 economy. The loot must come from TH8's, on average. Yes, players like you might be able to live off of TH9's alone, but not all TH9's can. Not because they lack the skills, but because there aren't enough inactive TH9's.

Now, with the way things are, TH8's have excess elixir. You don't see them in the queue very often, but that's because they get hit faster than TH8's that aren't sitting on 300k available elixir.

If you make level 8 walls available with elixir, 1/3 to 1/2 the elixir from TH8's will disappear overnight, and it won't come back. TH9's will have to start hitting as far down as TH7's (assuming you don't also give elixir walls to TH7). Sure, they'll take out TH7's with only half a full army, so it'll be cheap to farm. But with the 50% loot penalty, they won't make much in return either.

It's not a question of "if" this is true. It happened the first time they made elixir walls available at TH7 and up. Loot for TH9 players was so bad, that players quit the game in droves. (I suppose that might mean that there are lots of dead TH9 bases out there to feed TH9's this time. But that was months ago, and Supercell has a history of removing dead bases from the queue after a couple months.)
March 25th, 2015
HydroPenguin

Anyway, as a TH 7, I have zero to none problems farming walls.
March 25th, 2015
Birdcraft

Me either

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Originally Posted by HydroPenguin

Anyway, as a TH 7, I have zero to none problems farming walls.

But I personally think there should be no elixer for walls.

And as for there being no loot available at th9 and 10? Do you guys only raid when you need to get a builder going? Do you not have to save some up and do you always have a builder available to spend the loot? I would think that there should be plenty of bases due to those reasons if it weren't for the bot farmers scooping it all up. THAT should be a strong focus for removal in order to improve the loot situation in. My opinion.
March 27th, 2015
iGhostex

Thanks all for giving me an answer

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Hmm, I'm going to assume you mean upgrading level 6 walls to level 7. (You mentioned the update changed it to 9, and currently we can upgrade from level 8 to level 9 with elixir.)

Honestly, a TH7 should not have problems upgrading walls with gold only. If all your elixir upgrades are done (all 4 camps to level 6, all 4 barracks to level 9, the dark barracks to level 2, DE storage to level 2, drill to level 3, all 6 gold mines to level 11, spell factory, lab, and all research), then all your gold upgrades (defensive buildings and traps) should be done as well, with the exception of your walls. And even if you spent the bare minimum elixir on armies (barch, BAM), you should still have almost half your walls done. Getting the other half of the walls done with only gold should be pretty easy (they're only 200k a piece, that's only one good raid or two decent raids). If you need a place to save on gold, don't upgrade the elixir collectors to level 11. I mean, the cost is minimal (only about 1M gold to upgrade all 6), but you'll save a lot of builder time, and your gold output will exceed your elixir output, which will make it feel like you're not wasting elixir.

If your elixir upgrades are done, and you're still working on defensive buildings and all your walls, then something went wrong. Either you didn't farm enough gold, or you spent too much gold rearming traps and hitting Next.

I have all upgraded (army camp to 7, barracks to 9,gold storage to 11, dark barracks to 2, spell factory to 3) in conclusion i dont know what i can do with 4 000 000 of elixir! i have always the elixir storage full, and were it not for the update, now i would be a TH7 complete, if not TH8. I would ask to Supercell to replace the old version of Clash of Clans. (and sorry for my english!)
March 27th, 2015
badfish1979

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Originally Posted by iGhostex

I think it is not right that people who play longer than I have been able to take advantage of this component

What about all the people who played longer than you that could only use gold to upgrade ALL wall levels for the 2+ years prior to the elixir-for-walls update? The newer players get to take advantage of being able to upgrade level 9+ walls with elixir now.

Level 7 and 8 walls were only upgradable with elixir for 3 months (from September to December 2014).
March 27th, 2015
IronHenry

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Originally Posted by Mobad

Why would it destroy the game? I'm a th8 sitting on maxed out elixer storages. Lab is busy, so nothing to do with it. All barracks upgraded. Nothing left to do with elixer but troop upgrades which take so long I'll be sitting on excess for a couple of months. There will be zero excess gold though as I loot what I need and then spend it immediately. So I just put my elixer storages outside and take the 300000 hit. So a th9 or 10 can come along and loot it and use it for THEIR walls, but I cant. Seems really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ed to me, but payback is a bee ache. Got my lightning spells to 5. I will trade the elixer for dark. Seems the only fair solution to me.

I'm TH8 with maxed troops. If you have extra elixir, why not use it for troops to raid with? Steal gold, upgrade walls. Seems obvious. I mean unless I'm totally missing something. If I'm not raiding often enough to burn all the elixir, I raid with dragons. Pretty much guaranteed to turn 360k (+spells) elixir into 200k-300k+ gold.

Funny thing about walls, they upgrade instantly, so you can always spend the gold. Back when I could upgrade walls with elixir I never had any loot to steal. EVER. I loved it; and hated it because no one else did either. As it is now I rarely have loot to steal because I can burn it as fast as it comes in.
March 27th, 2015
Mobad

Um ok I guess I'll repeat myself

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Originally Posted by IronHenry

I'm TH8 with maxed troops. If you have extra elixir, why not use it for troops to raid with? Steal gold, upgrade walls. Seems obvious. I mean unless I'm totally missing something. If I'm not raiding often enough to burn all the elixir, I raid with dragons. Pretty much guaranteed to turn 360k (+spells) elixir into 200k-300k+ gold.

Funny thing about walls, they upgrade instantly, so you can always spend the gold. Back when I could upgrade walls with elixir I never had any loot to steal. EVER. I loved it; and hated it because no one else did either. As it is now I rarely have loot to steal because I can burn it as fast as it comes in.

I have no gold in my storages. I spend it all before logging off daily. I do however have maxed out elixer storages. Obviously I'm training troops for donating and attacking. I wouldn't have maxed out storages if I weren't attacking. I have only troops left to upgrade with elixer. Half my walls are complete. So I'm obviously raiding and raiding well. I try to only raid for gold, but don't want to fall to low in trophies as I'll be back in th6/7 hell. I still have 3/4 of my defenses to upgrade, so I'll be swimming in elixer for some time. Unfortunately do to doing so well I have a huge surplus of elixer. I place my storages outside next to my townhall in order to bleed some off.

I do agree that if its not available for some it shouldn't be available for any. My niece at th5 ended up with so much elixer she was able to upgrade her lightning spell to 4. It's a problem at all levels in my clan. If it's not then maybe your not raiding as well as you could.