Witches level 3

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Holy ♥♥♥♥, I didn't realize they keep spawning. When the wiki says a limit of 6 (or 8), I assumed that's the total number that get spawned during the raid. But apparently it's just the total number actually on the battlefield at any given time? More spawn as the first sets die? I watched a vid on youtube, and you're right, they just keep spawning and spawning.

So, in hindsight, my "mathematical" analysis is useless. Even if skeletons 8 skeletons are worth only 4-5 barbs, the fact that a witch might spawn 20+ skeletons in the first minute of a battle just totally changes the math.

And now I want them at TH8, LOL! And yes, even if they only spawned 2 at a time, but maybe had a limit of 5 per witch (instead of 4), that would still be pretty awesome. Indeed, if the battlefield limit isn't directly connected to the number spawned per set, we actually could do some interesting things to add more levels. For example:

Level	Skellies per Spawn	Max Skellies	TH
1	2	5	8
2	3	6	9
3	4	8	9
4	5	8	10

Basically, this would be implemented during a maintenance break. All existing level 2 witches would be upgraded to 3, and level 1 would be upgraded to 2. Thus, TH9 wouldn't lose what they already have. Dark Barracks level 5 would be unlocked at TH8. (If a TH9 finishes constructing a level 5 barracks after this update, they would only have the new level 1 witch, not level 2.)

The new level 1 witches would be able to spawn almost as many skellies as the new level 2, but only 2 at a time. This would keep the spawn rate low enough that TH8 defenses aren't as badly overwhelmed.

TH10 would get a new level 4 (equivalent to level 3 on today's scale). It would increase the spawn rate to 5, but the total number would cap out at 8 still. Thus, TH10's on defense wouldn't have to deal with any more skellies on the battlefield compared to today. But, they're respawn faster, which is fair, considering TH10 defense has an extra X-bow, plus the infernos.

So basically, a level 3 witch would spawn 4, then 4 more, and then maintain 8 on the battlefield by continuing to spawn up to 4 at a time.

A level 4 witch would spawn 5, then 3 (to reach the cap of 8), then spawn up to 5 at a time to maintain 8 on the battlefield.

Anyway, just throwing out numbers for fun. I'm really curious to get to TH9 so I can start playing with them, lol!

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You'll enjoy them actually and probably max them as soon as you get them...the more skels the better

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Originally Posted by chrispeterson

You'll enjoy them actually and probably max them as soon as you get them...the more skels the better

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Hehe, I've only used them once. I was a TH5 (my alt account), and my brother-in-law gave me a level 2 witch and 3 level 6 barbs in my clan castle during a war. He told me to wait until my giants were inside the base before deploying, since they are good for cleanup.

I did what he said. The witch spawned two sets of 4 skellies, then she went on the attack. She never spawned more skellies.

But in hindsight, I was attacking a TH5, and I had managed to take out the mortar and wizard tower before deploying the witch. With the splash damage gone, the skellies were probably safely tanked behind the giants and level 6 barbs, so the witch never needed to spawn more. This was months ago, so I don't remember exactly how the raid went down.

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Hehe, I've only used them once. I was a TH5 (my alt account), and my brother-in-law gave me a level 2 witch and 3 level 6 barbs in my clan castle during a war. He told me to wait until my giants were inside the base before deploying, since they are good for cleanup.

I did what he said. The witch spawned two sets of 4 skellies, then she went on the attack. She never spawned more skellies.

But in hindsight, I was attacking a TH5, and I had managed to take out the mortar and wizard tower before deploying the witch. With the splash damage gone, the skellies were probably safely tanked behind the giants and level 6 barbs, so the witch never needed to spawn more. This was months ago, so I don't remember exactly how the raid went down.

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your first Gowiwi will change your life...changed mine

Sorry to bring hopes down but I don't think Witch level 3 will be for Town Hall 10 but Town Hall 11.
Same goes for the Balloon level 7 and Valkyries level 5 will come if/at TH11 comes.

These troops are doing good already as it is (as in +50% attack damage) and will skip an upgrade at Town Hall 10.
Also because Witch level 2 already destroys all Town Hall 9's. Remember this why Town Hall 9's don't get Wizards level 6 and Goblins level 6 or Pekka level 4 to balance things out.

Final say, nope.

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Depends on how it's implemented.

For as much flak as X7386 received for his mathematical analysis of lava hounds, I thought he had some brilliant ideas in there.

First of all, I think my favorite part was his analysis of lava pups:


That's pure genius right there. Sure, the hound spawns 12 pups. But that doesn't mean that the pups represent 12 housing space.

So what about skeletons? Do the 8 skeletons of level 2 witches really count as 8 housing space? If they did, the witch herself would only be worth 4 housing space, basically a wizard.

So here's the thing. A skeleton's health and DPS are frankly rather pathetic, compared to a barbarian. DPS is similar to a barbarian, but they barely have one-third the health. They get one-shotted by maxed archer towers, and by level 10 cannons (available at TH8). Note: not sure about level 9 cannons, the DPS suggests 44.8 damage per shot, and skellies have 45, so depending on rounding, they might get one-shotted. Does anyone know for sure?

Anyway, the point is, 8 skeletons is not worth 8 housing space.

Using X7's math, the geometric mean of 25/30 and and 45/125 is 0.5477. So 8 skellies are worth just over 4 housing space. Let's call it 5. It kinda just depends on what's attacking. Against low level point defenses, 8 skellies might only be worth 3-4 housing space. Against heroes that will one-shot barbarians anyway, skellies might be worth the full 8 housing space. But 5 seems a reasonable average.


Now, what about the witch herself? She's slower than a wizard, has less health, and lower DPS. The only thing she has going for her is her range, a full tile longer than wizards. Without the range buff, she's really only worth 3 housing space at best, maybe even 2. Considering 12 housing space, minus 5 for the skellies, she's worth 7. Does the extra tile of attack range justify her being worth 7 housing space instead of just 2-3?


With all that out of the way, I think we have room to argue for a level 3. Bumping her up to 10 skellies would mean that the skellies are worth closer to 6 housing space. That makes the witch worth closer to 6, which is probably more in line with her actual worth (as a longer range, very weak wizard).

So yeah, I think there's room for a level 3 witch, and based on math, I don't think she'd be OP.

Of course, the math ignores most game mechanics (I tried to consider a few), so it doesn't really tell us if she'd be OP. But it at least let's us consider it.

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but she can spawn many more than 8

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Holy ♥♥♥♥, I didn't realize they keep spawning. When the wiki says a limit of 6 (or 8), I assumed that's the total number that get spawned during the raid. But apparently it's just the total number actually on the battlefield at any given time? More spawn as the first sets die? I watched a vid on youtube, and you're right, they just keep spawning and spawning.

So, in hindsight, my "mathematical" analysis is useless. Even if skeletons 8 skeletons are worth only 4-5 barbs, the fact that a witch might spawn 20+ skeletons in the first minute of a battle just totally changes the math.

And now I want them at TH8, LOL! And yes, even if they only spawned 2 at a time, but maybe had a limit of 5 per witch (instead of 4), that would still be pretty awesome. Indeed, if the battlefield limit isn't directly connected to the number spawned per set, we actually could do some interesting things to add more levels. For example:

Level	Skellies per Spawn	Max Skellies	TH
1	2	5	8
2	3	6	9
3	4	8	9
4	5	8	10

Basically, this would be implemented during a maintenance break. All existing level 2 witches would be upgraded to 3, and level 1 would be upgraded to 2. Thus, TH9 wouldn't lose what they already have. Dark Barracks level 5 would be unlocked at TH8. (If a TH9 finishes constructing a level 5 barracks after this update, they would only have the new level 1 witch, not level 2.)

The new level 1 witches would be able to spawn almost as many skellies as the new level 2, but only 2 at a time. This would keep the spawn rate low enough that TH8 defenses aren't as badly overwhelmed.

TH10 would get a new level 4 (equivalent to level 3 on today's scale). It would increase the spawn rate to 5, but the total number would cap out at 8 still. Thus, TH10's on defense wouldn't have to deal with any more skellies on the battlefield compared to today. But, they're respawn faster, which is fair, considering TH10 defense has an extra X-bow, plus the infernos.

So basically, a level 3 witch would spawn 4, then 4 more, and then maintain 8 on the battlefield by continuing to spawn up to 4 at a time.

A level 4 witch would spawn 5, then 3 (to reach the cap of 8), then spawn up to 5 at a time to maintain 8 on the battlefield.

Anyway, just throwing out numbers for fun. I'm really curious to get to TH9 so I can start playing with them, lol!

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Town Hall 8 would be a bit OP, I think it's good at TH 9

Thanks guys for your input I have to say I am a bit torn between whether it would be a skellie buff or to spawn more skellies- perhaps a buff for level 3 and then level 4 could spawn 2 more skellies - i think people are right it would probably depend entirely on TH11 and how that will be implement i.e. whether the new TH will be on a bigger map to accomodate more buildings, if their is to be a new th level however I think TH 10 would still need a level 3 Witch to have a fair stab at a higher TH level and a Level 4 for TH11.

Wichtes are the most unique unit in the game, their strenth varies between useless and overpowered.

What is you want most of the witch?

The change doesnt need to be great, just look at the stats from level 5 and 7 wizzards.

So what could u do, increase the limit of skeletons to 10 while theier summon number stays the same?
or increase the number of summons to 5 while the limit is still 8?

Mostly i want a new Design, so that u can see it is a level 3 witch