Suggestion: Decrease Dragon Attack Range, Increase speed/HP a bit

Hi, Dragons are realy strong as they are at townhall 7-8. But, they lack to be compatible to other units.

So my thought is, Dragons attack Range is like Ballons, they have to fly over a building to destroy it. AI should stay the way it is right now.


Why to do it?

That way, Dragons fly more into the enemy base, so they can fit their role as a soft tank better.

That way, they can distract the air defense faster for the ballons and shield the minions from wizzard tower and air bombs because they are behind them.

They can also shield healers faster, as they are more into the base then them.


For the stats i would say:

Increase speed by 2-6 on every level to counter theier range loss

Increase HP for Dragons at level 2-4, so that they gain 100hp every level up because Dragons are being target from more towers faster. No change for level 1 because Level 1 Dragons allready are overpowered.

Level 1: 1900
Level 2: 2200
Level 3: 2500
Level 4: 2800


That way, you can alter the all dragon strategy more, because Dragons can be mixed much better with other units.

Dragon with minions
Dragon with loons
Dragon with minions and loons
1 Lava hound and 2 Dragons as addiotion tanks and so on.


What you think?

I think Dragons are good as they are and don't need to be strengthened.

decreasing range and a speed/hp increase
is a huge buff to dragons

the biggest cons of a dragon in an attack is its movement speed and it's clunky AI
a small amount of move speed is a big jump to a dragon's stats

and making them "almost" melee, will subjectively improve it's AI
it's easier to path melee units cause of it's lower acquisition range, and the dragons ignore walls

imagine a flying pekka, pekka's ai is considered clunky cause of the fact that it's a ground unit

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Originally Posted by Jomarx3me

decreasing range and a speed/hp increase
is a huge buff to dragons

the biggest cons of a dragon in an attack is its movement speed and it's clunky AI
a small amount of move speed is a big jump to a dragon's stats

and making them "almost" melee, will subjectively improve it's AI
it's easier to path melee units cause of it's lower acquisition range, and the dragons ignore walls

imagine a flying pekka, pekka's ai is considered clunky cause of the fact that it's a ground unit

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You have to see the whole picture:

Right now:

Dragon is deployed and only 1 Archer tower shoots him while he destroys the trash building outside

After the change:

Dragon is deployed, comes closer to the trash building and 2 Archer Towers+Wizzard tower, Tesla or even AD shot him.



The buff is: he gets only slightly more hp and speed

The nerf is: because of the lower range, more Defense buildings can target him

So it even itself out and it makes dragons more usaable with other units.

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Originally Posted by BlahBlah161616

I think Dragons are good as they are and don't need to be strengthened.

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Correct, they are fine the way they are.

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Originally Posted by AtHayEast

Correct, they are fine the way they are.

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So you are townhall 9/10 and use dragons frequently?

With which troops do you combine them?

Maybe you add some points to your post WHY u think they are fine the way they are

Actually, if you decrease the attack range, that could reduce the AI quirks it suffers from. It would spread out less from the target building and not wander around as much. Plus the HP boost will make them harder to take down. So there is no real nerf with this idea, since the closer range would make them less erratic... maybe. It depends on how reduced the range is. It may put them into fire more (which is debatable), but it would make them more predicable, and therefore easier to aim and take out buried targets.

Reason why the AI is clunky is because it uses the same core AI as most other units, but because it acts 'so big', with an attack range, and spreads out more, the chance of random wandering is much greater than what is seen in hoards of smaller units.

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Originally Posted by WingChris

You have to see the whole picture:

Right now:

Dragon is deployed and only 1 Archer tower shoots him while he destroys the trash building outside

After the change:

Dragon is deployed, comes closer to the trash building and 2 Archer Towers+Wizzard tower, Tesla or even AD shot him.



The buff is: he gets only slightly more hp and speed

The nerf is: because of the lower range, more Defense buildings can target him

So it even itself out and it makes dragons more usaable with other units.

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you're kinda wrong about the buff part

as I posted above, the dragon's AI will improve a lot cause of the range reduction (subjectively)


and do we really need to make Dragons usable on TH9/10?

lavaloons/lavaloonions are already strong enough
imo
they're stronger than ground attacks

why buff an already stronger comp?

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Originally Posted by Jomarx3me

you're kinda wrong about the buff part

as I posted above, the dragon's AI will improve a lot cause of the range reduction (subjectively)


and do we really need to make Dragons usable on TH9/10?

lavaloons/lavaloonions are already strong enough
imo
they're stronger than ground attacks

why buff an already stronger comp?

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Great Point, so lets just remove Dragons from the barracks once you reach townhall 9?

I think, right now there are 3 Kind of units:
"Power" Units for Clan war and troophy push: Mages, Loons, Pekka, all DE Army beside Minions
they are expensive and/or have a long training time

"Farm" units for farming, they are build fast and are cheap: Barbarians, Archers, Kobolds,

And there are some hybrid units that works on both: Giants, Healers, Minions


But Dragons just dont fit in any of them. They are kinda useless after Townhall 8.


You guys SAY it would buff the AI and make them easier to use.

But actualy, there doesnt exist 1 single unit that has a 0 Attack range and is a flyer and attacks anything!

There is the ballon, but he attacks defense buildings first.
There is the barbarian, but he is a ground unit

So there is no proof in your statement. And only because you repeat each other again and again there still is no proof in it

I think, right now there are 3 Kind of units:
"Power" Units for Clan war and troophy push: Mages, Loons, Pekka, all DE Army beside Minions
they are expensive and/or have a long training time

"Farm" units for farming, they are build fast and are cheap: Barbarians, Archers, Kobolds,

And there are some hybrid units that works on both: Giants, Healers, Minions


But Dragons just dont fit in any of them. They are kinda useless after Townhall 8.

touche :thumbsup:


So there is no proof in your statement. And only because you repeat each other again and again there still is no proof in it

I can't prove it without breaking ToS, I think, and I'd rather not do that :p