TH8 vs TH9

Every time my clan announces a trophy push. I get frustrated. It's because I am at a TH8 and feel like I can only go so far before before every base I run into has X-Bows. I have tried multiple tactics. 5-10 Giants with a healer and mass arch. 15-20 giants with a healer, archers and wizards. I have tried supplementing with dragons. Also mass arch and barb. But nothing seems to work. I can't get to them fast enough. I don't think the losses would sting so much if these opponents all had decently leveled up buildings proportional to their TH9, but even the gemmers and rushers with pitifully leveled up basic defenses and lvl 1 X-Bows are still too much for me. Does anybody have any suggestions? Or are these X-Bows just over powered, and i should just join the mass of noobs and rush to the X-Bows?btw... My troops are all lvl 5 with the exception of dragons, healers, and pekkas. They are lvl 3.

What trophy level are you at? I would say continue your course and don't upgrade prematurely, better in the long run!

For the time being just keep on clicking the 'next' button.

High 1800 to low 1900. That's usually where I max for a push. Does it require lvl 6 troops to overcome an X-Bow? Or is there another strategy?

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Originally Posted by Andrew9753

Every time my clan announces a trophy push. I get frustrated. It's because I am at a TH8 and feel like I can only go so far before before every base I run into has X-Bows. I have tried multiple tactics. 5-10 Giants with a healer and mass arch. 15-20 giants with a healer, archers and wizards. I have tried supplementing with dragons. Also mass arch and barb. But nothing seems to work. I can't get to them fast enough. I don't think the losses would sting so much if these opponents all had decently leveled up buildings proportional to their TH9, but even the gemmers and rushers with pitifully leveled up basic defenses and lvl 1 X-Bows are still too much for me. Does anybody have any suggestions? Or are these X-Bows just over powered, and i should just join the mass of noobs and rush to the X-Bows?btw... My troops are all lvl 5 with the exception of dragons, healers, and pekkas. They are lvl 3.

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Here's a vid (not my best work) i did a while back against dual L1 xbows... Granted these are L6 units I still use the same strategy for my second account at TH8 with L5 units

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29YLD9HcnRs

In our recent push i got just over 2000 before I had to go with high level troops.

Dragons with three lightning was pretty good but you had to search for bases with only three AD or upgrading AD to ensure victory. As I went higher in trophies these were harder to find. If you have upgraded minions and a good amount of DE another option I used is 4 lvl 3 drags & 60 lvl 4 minions. Similar to all dragon but has advantages due to speed and number of minions.

The most successful combo I used was a lvl 1 golem, 3 lvl 3 pekka, 19 lvl 5 wizard, 9 WBs, & archer. Bring along your BK and this will do damage. Have lightning for CC troops and 2 rage ready if needed to take down TH.

Look for lvl 1 x-bows or bases that have one upgrading. Avoid lvl 3 x-bows as TH8.

Seems like you dislike trophy pushes. In that case you need to find a farming clan who doesn't care about your trophy level.

Well done azn. I think the biggest difference between us two is the mortars in that vid would one shot my archers. If you get a vid of your lvl 5 troops working on 2 X-Bows please post it. Sandiego, I think I like your 60 minion/dragon strategy better than the other one with a golum and mass wizard. It would seem to allow me about 3 raids before I'm out of elixir and gold. Im looking for a more economic way of approaching them.

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Originally Posted by Andrew9753

Every time my clan announces a trophy push. I get frustrated. It's because I am at a TH8 and feel like I can only go so far before before every base I run into has X-Bows. I have tried multiple tactics. 5-10 Giants with a healer and mass arch. 15-20 giants with a healer, archers and wizards. I have tried supplementing with dragons. Also mass arch and barb. But nothing seems to work. I can't get to them fast enough. I don't think the losses would sting so much if these opponents all had decently leveled up buildings proportional to their TH9, but even the gemmers and rushers with pitifully leveled up basic defenses and lvl 1 X-Bows are still too much for me. Does anybody have any suggestions? Or are these X-Bows just over powered, and i should just join the mass of noobs and rush to the X-Bows?btw... My troops are all lvl 5 with the exception of dragons, healers, and pekkas. They are lvl 3.

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x-bows are basically a timer for TH8 troops. i've found that x-bows are best countered with mass troops (so that you can still destroy stuff as your troops get picked off one by one). relying on groups of massed troops, however, is super vulnerable to high level mortars and wizard towers.

in my experience as a TH8, it's rarely worth the time and effort to find a base with such poor splash damage placement that you can counter x-bows using massed troops to get 50%. still, i don't think 1900s should be your cap -- there are definitely bases without x-bows up through 2000 that you should be able to one-star.

i know that people on the forums claim to have success with TH8 troops vs. x-bow bases, but people make claims on the forums all the time. given how much everyone plays, i'm sure it's possible to cherry-pick a few replays where everything went right. that does NOT mean, however, that using lvl 5 archers against double x-bow bases is a generally viable strategy.

Is trophy push purely your goal or do you want to trophy push and still have resources as your objective. If the former, you can easily get over 2k with just barbs and archers. That is, destroy all exteriror building and buildings sitting on the perimeter of the base. This strategy should get you to low 2k easily

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Originally Posted by Andrew9753

Well done azn. I think the biggest difference between us two is the mortars in that vid would one shot my archers. If you get a vid of your lvl 5 troops working on 2 X-Bows please post it. Sandiego, I think I like your 60 minion/dragon strategy better than the other one with a golum and mass wizard. It would seem to allow me about 3 raids before I'm out of elixir and gold. Im looking for a more economic way of approaching them.

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You get two big advantages with the minion combo if you can spare the DE.
Less than half elixir cost.
30 min build time if you have 4 lvl 9+ barracks. (not including spells)

I never use Giants (although I have them at level 5) but I do use Barbarians, Wall Breakers and Archers. I also use Rage sometimes. A lot of it depends on how you place your units as mortars can cause catastrophic problems for archers; which could result in a loss. I have in the past completed 100% wins on enemies with X-Bows using just the basic units, as above. It is possible.

Although they aren't bad - people are very scared of them. There are tutorials on YouTube which may help with defeating X-Bows.

All units are level 5.

A th8 can easily get to 2100 with barb/arch combo. I did it in three days.

So... In general, lvl 6 troops are the counter to X-Bows. And If i am going to try and attack these overpowered defenses, I should do one of the following. a) keep hitting next and pray that i find lvl 4 mortars paired up with the X-Bows.(i have lvl 5 troops so lvl 5 mortars are a no go for me) b) spend a third of my elixir reserves massing a ridiculously expensive and time consuming army and pray that the base i attack also has the elixir reserves i need to replenish my army. or c) update prematurely to TH 9 like a ♥♥♥ for lvl 6 troops and carry on upwards. Sigh... This is a terribly frustrating game. And I will keep playing for who knows what reason... Thanks for your time guys. Lots of helpful knowledge. 😌 btw, its time for the obligatory clan shout out. Aegis is looking for any players lvl 60+ and lvl 5 archers.

Its really how you deploy troops and your strategy. Our clanmate got close to 2300 using only level 4 barbs and archers and 10 breakers. Try watching some youtube videos and various deployment tactics. If it's not working for you now using level 5 troops at 1900 you're doing something wrong. Also be patient and keep searching for easier raids. That is the key as well. Load up on gold so you can keep searching for that easy raid. There are TH8 and TH7's up in the 2300's too.

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Originally Posted by pinser

A th8 can easily get to 2100 with barb/arch combo. I did it in three days.

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Yeah, I jumped from 1700 to 2000 in just 24 hours with that combo. I switched over to more complex troops around 2050. It's easy to find easy town halls or 50% bases at that lvl still with barb/arch combo. You just gotta attack the right bases :D

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Originally Posted by Andrew9753

So... In general, lvl 6 troops are the counter to X-Bows. And If i am going to try and attack these overpowered defenses, I should do one of the following. a) keep hitting next and pray that i find lvl 4 mortars paired up with the X-Bows.(i have lvl 5 troops so lvl 5 mortars are a no go for me) b) spend a third of my elixir reserves massing a ridiculously expensive and time consuming army and pray that the base i attack also has the elixir reserves i need to replenish my army. or c) update prematurely to TH 9 like a ♥♥♥ for lvl 6 troops and carry on upwards. Sigh... This is a terribly frustrating game. And I will keep playing for who knows what reason... Thanks for your time guys. Lots of helpful knowledge.  btw, its time for the obligatory clan shout out. Aegis is looking for any players lvl 60+ and lvl 5 archers.

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...d) As someone already mentioned, there is always the option to leave your clan and join a farming clan. There is no point in gaining trophies and the small reward in the league system does not make up for the resource loss. It does not make sense to me in gathering trophies, using expensive troops and subjecting your base to heavy resource loss when you are still trying to upgrade.