New defense incintive (With pictures!)

New additions:
1. Higher loot rewards
2. Will it kill farming?
3. Dark Elixer
4. Adjustment on reward availability (8 instead of 4.)
An before you say ruled out:
The following post is from the commonly suggested ideas NOT ruled out.

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Originally Posted by Sticky

League Related:
* Award resource bonuses for successful defense in addition to successful attack

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It is NOT ruled out. Clearly it says LEAGUE related. This is NOT league related. The ruled out idea is talking about recieving a LEAGUE bonus for a defense. This is a set loot bonus irrelevant to leagues :)

Defense Incentives (Rewards) THIS IS NOT LEAGUE RELATED:
Players will be awarded loot OR gems with a successful defense. (NOT BOTH; this will be one choice and players will NOT be allowed to choose.)

Restrictions:

• You MUST win.
• More than 10 troops used (troop space not troop type.)
• Townhall is equal to or greater than your current townhall.
• Can only be given an X amount of times a season. (Loot is rewarded 8 Times a season while gems would be rewarded no more than 3 times a season.)
• Unclaimed rewards will go away after an X amount of time.

This adds a reward to players who don't place their townhall out. Which in hopes will make trophys more worthy. :)

How much is given?

Not sure how much should be given loot wise. So let's say:

• 200 Dark Elixer | 45k Elixer/Gold Reward (Same townhall level as you.)
• 400 Dark Elixer | 90k Elixer/Gold Reward (Townhall above you.)
• 2 Gem Reward (Same townhall as you.)
• 3 Gem Reward (Townhall above you.)

Elixer/Gold Reward (Dark Elixer is shown here):
When you log on it will look like this:
http://i.imgur.com/OYlrklI.jpg

Defense log:
http://i.imgur.com/R8DBWP2.jpg

Gem Reward:
When you log on:
http://i.imgur.com/oQzHhx8.jpg
Defense log:
http://i.imgur.com/Hf7FIGT.jpg

Alternative Defense Log:
http://i.imgur.com/xEXYQpA.jpg

Full credit to MarcusCoC on the images: http://forum.supercell.net/member.php/1035367-MarkusCoC

Will it kill farming?
No; players will likely still place the townhall out when they have large loot. And let's say a townhall snipe gets stoped by your trapped hall. You just wasted 100k on traps for 5 trophys. Well with this incentive; you might cover some of the cost so farmers can keep farming. However; I find many players will began to focus on defense more and the trophy worth might even go up :)

Hope this comes in

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Originally Posted by newcombe89

Hope this comes in

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What would you like to see? I'm more In favor of loot and the alternative design.

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

What would you like to see? I'm more In favor of loot and the alternative design.

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I like this idea, but it would punish me sort of as a farmer, and I like being a farmer.

Great. Now implant this.

This would make sense for us who have 100k+ in traps to reload after a goofball throws a bunch of loons at you and gets 30%

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

I like this idea, but it would punish me sort of as a farmer, and I like being a farmer.

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There is no punishment :p you can still place the townhall out with no negative consiquences. The gem reward or loot isn't too high so it would be okay to miss out on here and there. :p

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

This idea is ruled out!

League Related:
* Award resource bonuses for successful defense in addition to successful attack

Please read the stickies.

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Not ruled out. It's in the commonly suggested section at the top of the sticky. :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Xitra

Not ruled out. It's in the commonly suggested section at the top of the sticky. :facepalm:

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Even better. This is different from that of a league bonus as a league bonus is within a certain league and this is a set bonus.

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

You did not just tell me to read stickys.
that is LEAGUE related. My idea is not in reference to a LEAGUE. What it means is where you recieve the league bonus if they lose. That would be op as players would get 300k in champs no matter what. My idea is COMPLEATLY different.

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it's not even ruled out, it's actually on "under consideration"

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Originally Posted by Jomarx3me

it's not even ruled out, it's actually on "under consideration"

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Yes I am aware after the user above said so :) thanks. However; this is irrelevant to a league. The idea states a loot bonus. (Meaning 150k of each in champs.) This is a set reward not relevant to leagues :)

Interesting. I'll think about in some when less distracting, and less wanting to fall asleep >.<

As a note, after the edit to the first post, you guys may want to delete those 'this is/isn't ruled out' posts. Some of you look like idiots to new comers to the thread :p

I could definitely see SC implementing this. The limited amounts makes this completely controllable and almost unexploitable. This would be a good step towards the gradual removal of farming.

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

I like this idea, but it would punish me sort of as a farmer, and I like being a farmer.

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Thats the point of this idea. -_-

Cheers!
Great idea, althought suggested many times, the effort in this thread pays off.

+1

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

I like this idea, but it would punish me sort of as a farmer, and I like being a farmer.

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Actually this doesn't change anything for farmers. There is no penalty involved but no reward either, same as it is now.

I like this idea but i don't think the reward is good enough to make me consider defending my th.
I still prefer the defending team being rewarded with a percentage of the league bonus. This way trophy hunting will be more rewarding imo.

It's been suggested before but I love the effort you pit into this:)

It's a change from the frequent one liner requests:smirk:

I really like this idea. I hope it comes up in clash of clans.

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Originally Posted by WarrenJames

Interesting. I'll think about in some when less distracting, and less wanting to fall asleep >.<

As a note, after the edit to the first post, you guys may want to delete those 'this is/isn't ruled out' posts. Some of you look like idiots to new comers to the thread :p

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Lol always tired as usual.

Yes I agree :) I'll be sure to contact them and have them removed

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Originally Posted by EmeraldRange

I could definitely see SC implementing this. The limited amounts makes this completely controllable and almost unexploitable. This would be a good step towards the gradual removal of farming.


Thats the point of this idea. -_-

Cheers!
Great idea, althought suggested many times, the effort in this thread pays off.

+1

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Yeah I tried to come up with a fair idea that might make people want to place the towmhall in. it was important to me to make it so it wasn't very exploitable :) im hoping the idea will put more importance on good defenses.

yeah :p it is suggested a lot. But the guy who made the pictures really helped with making it pop out you know?

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Originally Posted by clannis

Actually this doesn't change anything for farmers. There is no penalty involved but no reward either, same as it is now.

I like this idea but i don't think the reward is good enough to make me consider defending my th.
I still prefer the defending team being rewarded with a percentage of the league bonus. This way trophy hunting will be more rewarding imo.

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Percentage of the league bonus would be very exploitable.

What it would be high enough to make you consider actually defending?

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Originally Posted by TheOneTheyCallSmasher

It's been suggested before but I love the effort you pit into this:)

It's a change from the frequent one liner requests:smirk:

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Yes the effort does do a lot :) I agree one liners are rather bland and the artwork surely helps.

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Originally Posted by domkop

I really like this idea. I hope it comes up in clash of clans.

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Thanks for the compliment :)

Yes. Today, I succesfully defended 3 attacks. Got +89 trophies. But trap rearm cost hell. I wonder how much loot I had gotten if this was implemented.

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Originally Posted by UndeadZombie

Yes. Today, I succesfully defended 3 attacks. Got +89 trophies. But trap rearm cost hell. I wonder how much loot I had gotten if this was implemented.

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Well depends on what towmhall they were :p might of got a good amount. Would of helped a lot. I know mine at 7 is 100k.

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Originally Posted by clannis

Actually this doesn't change anything for farmers. There is no penalty involved but no reward either, same as it is now.

I like this idea but i don't think the reward is good enough to make me consider defending my th.
I still prefer the defending team being rewarded with a percentage of the league bonus. This way trophy hunting will be more rewarding imo.

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I do realize there is no penalty for a farmer, but I think being a farmer helps me gain loot fast but I would also like gaining the loot from a successful defense.

Just suggestion, but maybe the gold reward could be about the cost to re-arm traps and the elixir reward could be the amount they spent on troops? Idk though don't hate on me plz

Meh, it's a good idea and I don't really care if it's inplemented or not. Not really going to affect me as im a farmer, and at times a high league trophy pusher

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

I do realize there is no penalty for a farmer, but I think being a farmer helps me gain loot fast but I would also like gaining the loot from a successful defense.

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Being a farmer slows loot progression(the kind who rides sheilds) . I'll manage to raid about 2 mil in 6-8 hours. (I had to do a drag barrack after my spell factory so I timed it out.)

You can still drop cups and place your townhall in with no big issue.

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

Just suggestion, but maybe the gold reward could be about the cost to re-arm traps and the elixir reward could be the amount they spent on troops? Idk though don't hate on me plz

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Well then it would be stupid. You wouldn't even need to put a price on it if you could rearm for almost free. That's why I suggest a set amount. It could be higher but I feel it's pretty decent.

No sense in getting 360k Elixer on a defense. (All drags)

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Originally Posted by Seuss145

Meh, it's a good idea and I don't really care if it's inplemented or not. Not really going to affect me as im a farmer, and at times a high league trophy pusher

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It'll affect you in a positive way. You'll see your trap reset cost go down and might help you with your costly upgrades

So as a townhall 10, you would dnt recieve any bonus from anyone but th9? I think it should be a bonus from anyones how attacks you, with a large penalty like the loot system.

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Originally Posted by Donovan18

So as a townhall 10, you would dnt recieve any bonus from anyone but th9? I think it should be a bonus from anyones how attacks you, with a large penalty like the loot system.

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Wouldn't be fair. Imagine a townhall 10 losing to a level 7 on a fail snipe. They get tons of loot. Is that fair? Not in my op. The system I suggest keeps it balanced :) unless you have a better idea

Loot increase of 45k and 90k

This is a really good idea, I hope it is added in the game soon.
Also, how were the pics made? That's really good...

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Originally Posted by IamBobtheFirst

This is a really good idea, I hope it is added in the game soon.
Also, how were the pics made? That's really good...

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I think he used a max program. He did a pretty good job :)
And thanks

I like the concept. It would sort of give me a reason to defend. Pretty much since I've started my TH has never been at the center of my base. I don't think 45K or 90k loot would be enough incentive for me to protect my TH though. Assuming I successfully defend my rearm cost would likely be well over 100K gold, and its very likely I could have 200K stolen from me without gaining a shield, meaning another person could attack me without any of my traps armed, and I could end up giving up another 200k in loot.

This would result in a loss of 400k-500k gold for me for a potential winning of 90K-180k gold (I know your numbers could be adjusted). In order for me to consider defending my TH the potential benefit would have to at least equal or be greater than the potential loss.

Meaning the only time I would most likely consider defending my town hall is when my loot was low anyways making it not very likely to get attacked.

I would likely only consider this for the Gem portion of the reward, but again for me it wouldn't be worth risking upwards of 500k loot for potentially 2-3 gems, it would have to make it number worth my time. But to play Devils Advocate on myself Supercell would likely be hesitant to give out too many gems. More free gems = less gems purchased. Less revenue.. Those Liam commercials don't pay for themselves..

Again I like the concept of it, but the incentives for me would need to be greater.

Actually the way you put it. It looks fairly simple to input and easy to use! I vote Yes on this. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by bonesaw13

I like the concept. It would sort of give me a reason to defend. Pretty much since I've started my TH has never been at the center of my base. I don't think 45K or 90k loot would be enough incentive for me to protect my TH though. Assuming I successfully defend my rearm cost would likely be well over 100K gold, and its very likely I could have 200K stolen from me without gaining a shield, meaning another person could attack me without any of my traps armed, and I could end up giving up another 200k in loot.

This would result in a loss of 400k-500k gold for me for a potential winning of 90K-180k gold (I know your numbers could be adjusted). In order for me to consider defending my TH the potential benefit would have to at least equal or be greater than the potential loss.

Meaning the only time I would most likely consider defending my town hall is when my loot was low anyways making it not very likely to get attacked.

I would likely only consider this for the Gem portion of the reward, but again for me it wouldn't be worth risking upwards of 500k loot for potentially 2-3 gems, it would have to make it number worth my time. But to play Devils Advocate on myself Supercell would likely be hesitant to give out too many gems. More free gems = less gems purchased. Less revenue.. Those Liam commercials don't pay for themselves..

Again I like the concept of it, but the incentives for me would need to be greater.

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Glad you saw past the gems. :p The numbers can be adjusted like you said. It's supercells final on the numbers so I can't really control that. It just gives a ball park figure of what I'm talking about.

When I first started I was like you. Townhall 7 20 defense wins (even less probably.) so I never placed mine inside. Well i dropped to sub 200 and got me some defense wins. I enjoyed winning. It felt nice to not feel ashamed and it felt even better knowing it was my base. So I still place it out; when I hawv high loot of course. (That's why this feauture will not kill farming.) But when I have no loot; its inside.

So so let's say some guy comes and wants to barch me for trophys. He fails. Granted he ddint trip all my traps but he tripped enough. Well the defense incintive would come right into play and help your pockets. This will make players more likely to defend knowing they had this extra cushion.

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Originally Posted by Deadtoast15

Actually the way you put it. It looks fairly simple to input and easy to use! I vote Yes on this. :thumbsup:

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Thanks :) glad you enjoy it

Useless idea.

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Originally Posted by Medici

Useless idea.

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Useless? Can you elaborate?

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

Useless? Can you elaborate?

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OP should read before posting. Hundreds of posts explains why this idea is pointless and unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Medici

OP should read before posting. Hundreds of posts explains why this idea is pointless and unnecessary.

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I should read before posting? I don't see a hundred post here that say this is a bad idea? Actually no one has said it's a bad idea. Perhaps you should go back a few pages and read before posting. Or even better. Don't post here if you have no constructive criticism other than "this is pointless.":thumbsup::smirk:

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Originally Posted by GanjaSandwich

I should read before posting? I don't see a hundred post here that say this is a bad idea? Actually no one has said it's a bad idea. Perhaps you should go back a few pages and read before posting. Or even better. Don't post here if you have no constructive criticism other than "this is pointless.":thumbsup::smirk:

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Don't post if you can't handle the truth.

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Originally Posted by Medici

Don't post if you can't handle the truth.

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I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you :) have a nice day

Voted Yes and 5 star rating!!

Will I defend my TH for 45k or 95k gold/elix instead of a shield? No, not ever. If 95k gain is below a normal standard to attack a base; who would defend for the same reason?

Good idea, however add a dark elixir reward (e.g. 450 dark elixir).

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Originally Posted by klofroNNorfolk

Will I defend my TH for 45k or 95k gold/elix instead of a shield? No, not ever. If 95k gain is below a normal standard to attack a base; who would defend for the same reason?

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You actually get a sheild at 40%. And not every time do people go for the townhall. So re think that :p

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Originally Posted by Skenderbeu

Voted Yes and 5 star rating!!

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Thanks

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Originally Posted by NF2335

Good idea, however add a dark elixir reward (e.g. 450 dark elixir).

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Okay I'll work on de too :) thanks!

Let's do some quick math here. I have 7 Elixir Drills and Gold Mines at 3,500 per hour. That is:

294,000 Gold and Elixir I get for a 12 hour shield

I have 3 DE Drills at 45 per hour. That is:

1,620 DE for my 12 hour shield.

So if people were looking at this "problem" economically, it would take, at least, an equivalent of 294,000 of each back from attacks they could have avoided by having their TH exposed and taking the shield. On top of this, when we are raided, we are losing some loot each time.

I just don't see a way that having a defensive bonus is going to encourage anyone to allow more attacks unless it is a ridiculously high amount of money for a successful defense, which will have people attacking to get rid of their shields so they can get attacked again (as opposed to drawing weak attacks as they are currently doing).

There is no good way to make defense as viable as offence without changing the entire point of the game, and as I have said, why not just let defense be what defense is and always has been in every game, sport or war; a means to protect something, not to gain something.

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Voted Yes and 5 star rating!!

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Let's do some quick math here. I have 7 Elixir Drills and Gold Mines at 3,500 per hour. That is:

294,000 Gold and Elixir I get for a 12 hour shield

I have 3 DE Drills at 45 per hour. That is:

1,620 DE for my 12 hour shield.

So if people were looking at this "problem" economically, it would take, at least, an equivalent of 294,000 of each back from attacks they could have avoided by having their TH exposed and taking the shield. On top of this, when we are raided, we are losing some loot each time.

I just don't see a way that having a defensive bonus is going to encourage anyone to allow more attacks unless it is a ridiculously high amount of money for a successful defense, which will have people attacking to get rid of their shields so they can get attacked again (as opposed to drawing weak attacks as they are currently doing).

There is no good way to make defense as viable as offence without changing the entire point of the game, and as I have said, why not just let defense be what defense is and always has been in every game, sport or war; a means to protect something, not to gain something.

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Youre not going to get a sheild every time. As you go higher in trophys; it doesn't matter where you're townhall is. You're going to get attacked. Say there is no additional loot. You're paying for traps after someone got 49% and ran off with your loot. The cost of traps get higher and higher. So This defense incintive is meant to encourage higher players to not use the exposed townhall. Yes; if you're a max 9 or 10. You won't get attacked as often. But you do get attacked. And you do win defenses. But you're paying for the re arm cost out of pocket.

The idea isn't meant to pay your whole trap cost. Or meant to pay for a revenge. It's simply an Incintive that could add higher level of play to te game and reduce exposed townhalls. Of course there will be players like you who don't feel it's neccecary. But in sure you agree you're not garrrenteed a sheild. So a loot bonus to cover your defense cost will encourage players to have a strong defense since they already will get attacked ethier way.

You also get a sheild at 40% so this sweetens the reward aswell of a free shield.

[QUOTEhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items...rrow-10x10.png=Medici;4163636]Useless idea.[/QUOTEhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items...rrow-10x10.png]


no thats not my idea :smirk:

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Youre not going to get a sheild every time. As you go higher in trophys; it doesn't matter where you're townhall is. You're going to get attacked. Say there is no additional loot. You're paying for traps after someone got 49% and ran off with your loot. The cost of traps get higher and higher. So This defense incintive is meant to encourage higher players to not use the exposed townhall. Yes; if you're a max 9 or 10. You won't get attacked as often. But you do get attacked. And you do win defenses. But you're paying for the re arm cost out of pocket.

The idea isn't meant to pay your whole trap cost. Or meant to pay for a revenge. It's simply an Incintive that could add higher level of play to te game and reduce exposed townhalls. Of course there will be players like you who don't feel it's neccecary. But in sure you agree you're not garrrenteed a sheild. So a loot bonus to cover your defense cost will encourage players to have a strong defense since they already will get attacked ethier way.

You also get a sheild at 40% so this sweetens the reward aswell of a free shield.

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I guess, and I'm just thinking, that this payout isn't going to change people's rate of exposed town halls drastically. Actually, I was looking through my log here and this would encourage me to put my TH inside when I have little to no loot to gain, but when I am saving up for something and have 3mil or more of one type, I will change it back.

For me (and seemingly mathematically) it wouldn't make sense for me to keep my town hall inside. Weak armies will pass me up, and the only people who will attack are people looking for big loot. My most recent attack (having only just over a mil of each) there was about 170,000k available of each to be stolen. Granted my trophies are very low, but if someone got half of that, I would get a shield, and a bonus (making up for about what I lost). That's a wash. if I have 2 mil of each, that's a loss, 3 mill of each, a big loss. Then there's the chance that I get looted big time and don't get a shield.

In reality, I don't care if something like this is implemented but I really don't think it is going to change the incentive to put my TH inside, and many other people that weigh the cost/benefit ratio.

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I guess, and I'm just thinking, that this payout isn't going to change people's rate of exposed town halls drastically. Actually, I was looking through my log here and this would encourage me to put my TH inside when I have little to no loot to gain, but when I am saving up for something and have 3mil or more of one type, I will change it back.

For me (and seemingly mathematically) it wouldn't make sense for me to keep my town hall inside. Weak armies will pass me up, and the only people who will attack are people looking for big loot. My most recent attack (having only just over a mil of each) there was about 170,000k available of each to be stolen. Granted my trophies are very low, but if someone got half of that, I would get a shield, and a bonus (making up for about what I lost). That's a wash. if I have 2 mil of each, that's a loss, 3 mill of each, a big loss. Then there's the chance that I get looted big time and don't get a shield.

In reality, I don't care if something like this is implemented but I really don't think it is going to change the incentive to put my TH inside, and many other people that weigh the cost/benefit ratio.

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Ah; you just made the biggest point. When you have no loot. Your townhall is inside right? When you have a lot it it is outside correct? Well if you have a low amount of loot; chances are; you woukd certainly enjoy getting a bit more when funds get low. That is where this idea shines. For the poor. This idea isn't going to benifit the wealthy. Or it wouldn't be put right. The wealthy will place it out like usual. So this doesn't break a system; it improves it and you'll certainly see more trophy defenses with this.

I guess it sounded like the intention of this was to get more people to guard their town halls, but for what purpose?

The only reason it would benefit the game to have more people have guarded town halls is that there would be more people available for attacking (less shields from exposed TH). If the people available for attacking are still only the people with peanuts in their storages it doesn't seem to change anything one way or another.

I mean, if it's implemented, it will change how I play very slightly, nobody will get more loot off of me than they are currently. I will have a guarded town hall for, well probably an overnight (only if I've made a big purchase) before I put it back exposed.

My main worry about these types of posts (and not this one though) is I don't want the game to change from people putting TH out for free shields, to people busting their shields as soon as they get them because being defensive is so profitable.

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I guess it sounded like the intention of this was to get more people to guard their town halls, but for what purpose?

The only reason it would benefit the game to have more people have guarded town halls is that there would be more people available for attacking (less shields from exposed TH). If the people available for attacking are still only the people with peanuts in their storages it doesn't seem to change anything one way or another.

I mean, if it's implemented, it will change how I play very slightly, nobody will get more loot off of me than they are currently. I will have a guarded town hall for, well probably an overnight (only if I've made a big purchase) before I put it back exposed.

My main worry about these types of posts (and not this one though) is I don't want the game to change from people putting TH out for free shields, to people busting their shields as soon as they get them because being defensive is so profitable.

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Oh I agree with you 100%. I don't want the game to change ethier. It's why I linited how often you can get it and didn't use a large chunk of loot. It's not going to change gameplay a lot. But it might very well reduce the exposed townhall's by a small percent. (Not the main focus.)

You can find bases without peanuts irregardless. I've had peopel attack me for 10k (all together) simply for trophys. I clearly was hurting and the fact I had to rearm traps; broke the bank and I was left with little to search with. This would kinda give a player a cushion for when they do need it. Such as when they push; or they just broke the bank on a long upgrade.

Defneses will never be more profitable. It's impossible. I can attack in 6-8 hours and get 2+mil. 1 defense would only generate maybe 100k-200k. So it's not so over powered. I don't want the game to change in a way that will break the system like some ideas will.

Yes; GIVE MEH DA LOOT

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Yes; GIVE MEH DA LOOT

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How long did that take lol

when it's typed like that it looks like its a south African accent lol

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when it's typed like that it looks like its a south African accent lol

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Incentive.... Wow I so failed lol

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Originally Posted by Medici

Useless idea.

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Originally Posted by Medici

OP should read before posting. Hundreds of posts explains why this idea is pointless and unnecessary.

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Don't post if you can't handle the truth.

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Cite your sources or shut up. You make for a rather crappy debater if you just expect the other guy to do your own foot work on proving themselves wrong.

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Anyway, the idea is in the right direction, but personally, I shy away from resource gains from defence wins, since it just seems odd to get loot after being looted.

But this is much better than the other ideas that are commonly proposed, either just said generically without much detail, or just bad ideas when thinking several steps into it (or just outright bad :facepalm:).

I find the 4 defense wins limit per season a bit... small. Depending on the base, and League, you can honestly generate those amount of wins in 1 to 3 days. And yes, without going to the sub 200 trophy level area (That place is a frick'n CoC twilight zone I tell you! :saywhat:)

Honestly I mixed feelings about it. It does help, but only so long as the loot is good. After depleting the seasons defense bonuses, I can see people going back to what they were doing. :(

However! Now that I think about it, it would show how much an improvement there could be to other issues relating to people hiding in shields and being afraid to time on thier raiding session. Supercell could actually see a cycle of improvement and relapse as the defence bonus restarts at the start of the season, and gets used up as time goes by. For awhile, there would be more targets as bases are more willing to be open to attacks, before closing back up again. They can adjust the average duration of bases closing up by just extending some factors.

Also there would be a sudden demand for defence win bases, like Newbie Troll bases, Town Hall Sniper Troll Bases, or Raider/Farmer Bait bases (akin to my TH7 base... loved the defence win on that one) if such a thing was added, so to milk the defence bonus loot as much as possible.

Bottom line: I see it as a good test feature, since it kind of bribes people to not turtle up under shields for a set time, and give Supercell some test data on feature effects that could be more permanent. Could make it into an event thing or something, with somekind of logic to help explain away the magic materializing money effect from winning with some plot device.

Sorry for taking so long to get back. Was kind of distracted by things for awhile.

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Cite your sources or shut up. You make for a rather crappy debater if you just expect the other guy to do your own foot work on proving themselves wrong.

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Anyway, the idea is in the right direction, but personally, I shy away from resource gains from defence wins, since it just seems odd to get loot after being looted.

But this is much better than the other ideas that are commonly proposed, either just said generically without much detail, or just bad ideas when thinking several steps into it (or just outright bad :facepalm:).

I find the 4 defense wins limit per season a bit... small. Depending on the base, and League, you can honestly generate those amount of wins in 1 to 3 days. And yes, without going to the sub 200 trophy level area (That place is a frick'n CoC twilight zone I tell you! :saywhat:)

Honestly I mixed feelings about it. It does help, but only so long as the loot is good. After depleting the seasons defense bonuses, I can see people going back to what they were doing. :(

However! Now that I think about it, it would show how much an improvement there could be to other issues relating to people hiding in shields and being afraid to time on thier raiding session. Supercell could actually see a cycle of improvement and relapse as the defence bonus restarts at the start of the season, and gets used up as time goes by. For awhile, there would be more targets as bases are more willing to be open to attacks, before closing back up again. They can adjust the average duration of bases closing up by just extending some factors.

Also there would be a sudden demand for defence win bases, like Newbie Troll bases, Town Hall Sniper Troll Bases, or Raider/Farmer Bait bases (akin to my TH7 base... loved the defence win on that one) if such a thing was added, so to milk the defence bonus loot as much as possible.

Bottom line: I see it as a good test feature, since it kind of bribes people to not turtle up under shields for a set time, and give Supercell some test data on feature effects that could be more permanent. Could make it into an event thing or something, with somekind of logic to help explain away the magic materializing money effect from winning with some plot device.

Sorry for taking so long to get back. Was kind of distracted by things for awhile.

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Everybody cares and loves you warrenjames, you are an awesome person.

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you made an error in your comment to my friend warrenjames so I fixed it for you.
also to your other posts...Evidence is everything....Prove yourself right or lose the fight.

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Cite your sources or shut up. You make for a rather crappy debater if you just expect the other guy to do your own foot work on proving themselves wrong.

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Anyway, the idea is in the right direction, but personally, I shy away from resource gains from defence wins, since it just seems odd to get loot after being looted.

But this is much better than the other ideas that are commonly proposed, either just said generically without much detail, or just bad ideas when thinking several steps into it (or just outright bad :facepalm:).

I find the 4 defense wins limit per season a bit... small. Depending on the base, and League, you can honestly generate those amount of wins in 1 to 3 days. And yes, without going to the sub 200 trophy level area (That place is a frick'n CoC twilight zone I tell you! :saywhat:)

Honestly I mixed feelings about it. It does help, but only so long as the loot is good. After depleting the seasons defense bonuses, I can see people going back to what they were doing. :(

However! Now that I think about it, it would show how much an improvement there could be to other issues relating to people hiding in shields and being afraid to time on thier raiding session. Supercell could actually see a cycle of improvement and relapse as the defence bonus restarts at the start of the season, and gets used up as time goes by. For awhile, there would be more targets as bases are more willing to be open to attacks, before closing back up again. They can adjust the average duration of bases closing up by just extending some factors.

Also there would be a sudden demand for defence win bases, like Newbie Troll bases, Town Hall Sniper Troll Bases, or Raider/Farmer Bait bases (akin to my TH7 base... loved the defence win on that one) if such a thing was added, so to milk the defence bonus loot as much as possible.

Bottom line: I see it as a good test feature, since it kind of bribes people to not turtle up under shields for a set time, and give Supercell some test data on feature effects that could be more permanent. Could make it into an event thing or something, with somekind of logic to help explain away the magic materializing money effect from winning with some plot device.

Sorry for taking so long to get back. Was kind of distracted by things for awhile.

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When you come back you come back lol.

Yeah the amount of times it is available could be tweaked some I agree. But THSI was a rough idea when I made it and it's important to generate feedback before getting a hard final on an idea. I was never really sure on how often you should obtain this loot; (sub 200 is my life :D) and it really depends on how big the bonus is. It could be big and given a few times, small given a lot, or in between. But as you know; that final decision is supercells. They have the final say on all stats and this Includes the frequency in which you can obtain said rewards.

It does open up and encourage more defensive bases and troll bases and ultimately; add more of a purpose to being a snapping turtle. Perhaps it might even open the door to other ideas.

I also hate hate the poorly constructed ideas but as you know; I generally construct my ideas well. :)

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you made an error in your comment to my friend warrenjames so I fixed it for you.
also to your other posts...Evidence is everything....Prove yourself right or lose the fight.

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He was always with negative critics, yet never elaborate why. Saying accept the truth or whatsoever, but the truth is, he is the hard one to accept any truth. Ignore and all is well.

To the OP, its a great idea. Most people tends to put the th on the outside when they have tons of loot to protect. But I do stumbled some bases with th outside with no loots to raid. If the idea would be implemented, I guess more people would put the th in the middle, and receiving a small loots wouldn't be a bad idea. Not so many people that played CoC would have so many free times to play and farming.

http://youtu.be/aqP6nSQNooM

Something interesting to see in relation to the Troll Bases mentioned :) (Waring: Two f-bombs said. Also maybe some bad/lame jokes.)

And my Anti-Barcher Base, that was also Barcher Bait... go figure! :saywhat:
Town Hall 7 - My Answer to Barcher raids
Base generated like 30+ Defense Wins a season. And could have done more if my clan was more active with those CC troops and was less lazy about breaking shield.

Right now, in a nice and easy spot, with a good strong base, Gold III is a nice area for me to sit. Though was in Silver I for awhile to test that area... Idk how my clan mate managed to find loot in Silver I as a TH8 :rolleyes: This season, without trying too hard, I have 17 Defense Wins right now, and could easily have more before it ends. I could likely generate more if I didn't collect from my mines and collectors, and really attract those farmers.

So yeah, I may not be a total expert on Defense Win, since I know some that have put more thought into things, but I do have a good amount of experience with it.

Remember, what exactly is in my signature? :p

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He was always with negative critics, yet never elaborate why. Saying accept the truth or whatsoever, but the truth is, he is the hard one to accept any truth. Ignore and all is well.

To the OP, its a great idea. Most people tends to put the th on the outside when they have tons of loot to protect. But I do stumbled some bases with th outside with no loots to raid. If the idea would be implemented, I guess more people would put the th in the middle, and receiving a small loots wouldn't be a bad idea. Not so many people that played CoC would have so many free times to play and farming.

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You just have to understand WarrenJames. Him and I butted heads the first town we encountered each other in a thread. He may come off a certain way but it's not always intended like that.

Thanks :) the idea does need a bit more tweaking, but I hope it'll still encourage players to look for troohys more defensively.

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http://youtu.be/aqP6nSQNooM

Something interesting to see in relation to the Troll Bases mentioned :) (Waring: Two f-bombs said. Also maybe some bad/lame jokes.)

And my Anti-Barcher Base, that was also Barcher Bait... go figure! :saywhat:
Town Hall 7 - My Answer to Barcher raids
Base generated like 30+ Defense Wins a season. And could have done more if my clan was more active with those CC troops and was less lazy about breaking shield.

Right now, in a nice and easy spot, with a good strong base, Gold III is a nice area for me to sit. Though was in Silver I for awhile to test that area... Idk how my clan mate managed to find loot in Silver I as a TH8 :rolleyes: This season, without trying too hard, I have 17 Defense Wins right now, and could easily have more before it ends. I could likely generate more if I didn't collect from my mines and collectors, and really attract those farmers.

So yeah, I may not be a total expert on Defense Win, since I know some that have put more thought into things, but I do have a good amount of experience with it.

Remember, what exactly is in my signature? :p

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Lol yeah I figured you knew your stuff. I'm going to edit how often you can recieve the loot. And wow... That townhall 7 base right as I left 7....

10 times a season sound good?

Edit: Changed it to 8.

I laughed at that zapping defense you hid in one of the pictures.

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You just have to understand WarrenJames. Him and I butted heads the first town we encountered each other in a thread. He may come off a certain way but it's not always intended like that.

Thanks :) the idea does need a bit more tweaking, but I hope it'll still encourage players to look for troohys more defensively.

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I was actually refering to the negativity guy, Medici. Not Warren. WarrenJames also had some building ideas.

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I was actually refering to the negativity guy, Medici. Not Warren. WarrenJames also had some building ideas.

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I apologize for the confusion :p I wasn't too sure and it was very late

Sounds like a brilliant idea to me.

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Sounds like a brilliant idea to me.

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Thanks for your support.

The thread will undergoe a larg re-vamp soon.

You should ask around what defence wins people see in thier League Listing. Of course with all the farming bases, and the fact that the attacker has the advantage of picking who they want to attack (to likely win), defence wins will not be common among the general player population. However, remembering off the top of my head, (and maybe a little inaccurate) I do see the occasional 1-5 wins, with the exceptional village with 15-30, and sometimes more wins than that on rare occasions. Depending on how long or hard you want people to push things for defensive wins, 1 every two days average (7 per session), or 2 every day on average (28 per season) would be your range of easy to hard.

An idea on this, with 7, 14, 21, and 28 win thresholds ( or maybe 5, 10, 15, 20, 25) is you can scale the loot reward to a given goal. You can have the reward tapper off to encourage people to just be defensive for awhile, or it can ramp up in amount, making people focus more on those defence wins (in lieu of other activities). Or can keep it constant...

Anyway, something to think about for your idea, having loot scale up or down as you win more, if it scales at all. Picking one of those changes with affect player behavior in a specific way, so think about how either you, or an 'average' player, would react to a given effect, and is that reaction what you intend to happen?

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You should ask around what defence wins people see in thier League Listing. Of course with all the farming bases, and the fact that the attacker has the advantage of picking who they want to attack (to likely win), defence wins will not be common among the general player population. However, remembering off the top of my head, (and maybe a little inaccurate) I do see the occasional 1-5 wins, with the exceptional village with 15-30, and sometimes more wins than that on rare occasions. Depending on how long or hard you want people to push things for defensive wins, 1 every two days average (7 per session), or 2 every day on average (28 per season) would be your range of easy to hard.

An idea on this, with 7, 14, 21, and 28 win thresholds ( or maybe 5, 10, 15, 20, 25) is you can scale the loot reward to a given goal. You can have the reward tapper off to encourage people to just be defensive for awhile, or it can ramp up in amount, making people focus more on those defence wins (in lieu of other activities). Or can keep it constant...

Anyway, something to think about for your idea, having loot scale up or down as you win more, if it scales at all. Picking one of those changes with affect player behavior in a specific way, so think about how either you, or an 'average' player, would react to a given effect, and is that reaction what you intend to happen?

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That loot scale idea is brilliant! You of course can restrict this to certain things.

By occasional 1-5 wins you mean like this? I'm not even in sub 200.
http://i.imgur.com/9572frg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/K2dkfBD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NfsfJqX.jpg

Kind of... ignoring the time stamps and the fact some of those are trophy drops, yeah.

Since you are back out of the sub 200 range, you can check what the League listings have. :)

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i like this idea, but it would punish me sort of as a farmer, and i like being a farmer.

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farmers for life

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farmers for life

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It's not going to hurt your farming what so ever.

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You only post rude posts. You should be banned. YOUR posts are useless

As for the idea, 3 thumbs up:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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You only post rude posts. You should be banned. YOUR posts are useless

As for the idea, 3 thumbs up:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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It is best to not reply to users you have conflict with.

Thanks :) if you have any suggetions let me know

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It is best to not reply to users you have conflict with.

Thanks :) if you have any suggetions let me know

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Based on the first page of comments, make the IT IS NOT RULED OUT text biggerXD

I think the Loot Scale idea is a very good addition.

I am still too hung up on the fact that if Potential Benefit >= Cost then it won't work.

To reiterate my biggest problem with this. If I have a lot of loot I will leave my TH unprotected. If I don't have loot I will put my TH inside. If my TH is inside and I don't have loot, no one is going to attack my base. No one would waste their times on a well protected base with no loot. So there are very few scenarios in which a defense would pay off.

I think a couple ways this could be fixed.
1) If I have a successful defense my traps would be repaired automatically.
- Because if I get attacked once and my traps are set off it makes my base weaker for any subsequent attacks. My base design relies heavily on traps to protect my center. Essentially without this after 1 or 2 attacks I would have no traps left and my base might and loot might as well be exposed at this point.

2) As suggested earlier. Scalable loot.
a) It should scale with TH level (Similar algorithm to determine what # base you are in war. Because Higher TH's aren't always the lowest numbers in the war. Sometimes a TH8 might #5, and a TH7 might be #4 if TH8 is rushed). The second way it should be scalable is with consecutive defenses.

Consecutive Defenses	Loot
1	x
2	xx
3	xxx

etc...

This doesn't necessarily have to be linear, but hopefully my idea is well illustrated enough. But this brings me back to my original point 1). Successful defenses would need to rearm the traps automatically. Because if I get attacked I might not always be able to rearm my traps right away making successive defenses less likely. Even if the auto-rearm is a Check-Box option. An auto-rearm check box could work in this way.

If a successful defense is won, then all traps will be automatically rearmed. The rearm cost will be automatically debited from the Potential loot won on defense. If that isn't a sufficient amount to rearm all it would be debited from Gold storages. If that isn't sufficient then re-arming the traps would not occur. If you don't want it automatically debited don't Check the Auto-Rearm Check Box.

That's my suggestion to make it potentially viable and useable by people.

Because let's be honest. No one is going to attack a TH that is well protected with no loot to gain. Especially if the army composition takes a very long time to make or is very expensive. And even if it is someone using a BArcher composition, they will be looking for loot or a TH snipe.

This is technically what they have on Boom Beach.

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This is technically what they have on Boom Beach.

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What is? I've never played Boom Beach

Well, I have several threads that deal with ideas that don't give loot as a result of being on the defensive, except for one, which is more based on how much you damage the other guy.

Proposed Defence Revamp
This one is my latest shots in the dark in regards to the defence issue. Feel free to look at it, or check my other threads via my profile.

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This is technically what they have on Boom Beach.

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It is a similar concept yes. Boom beach however gives it differently and is a whole different concept than clash of clans. With clans of clans you have to worry about people dropping trophys and abusing it while boom beach isn't like that.

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Based on the first page of comments, make the IT IS NOT RULED OUT text biggerXD

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No need to :p people haven't questioned me other than at first which was handled quick.

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I think the Loot Scale idea is a very good addition.

I am still too hung up on the fact that if Potential Benefit >= Cost then it won't work.

To reiterate my biggest problem with this. If I have a lot of loot I will leave my TH unprotected. If I don't have loot I will put my TH inside. If my TH is inside and I don't have loot, no one is going to attack my base. No one would waste their times on a well protected base with no loot. So there are very few scenarios in which a defense would pay off.

I think a couple ways this could be fixed.
1) If I have a successful defense my traps would be repaired automatically.
- Because if I get attacked once and my traps are set off it makes my base weaker for any subsequent attacks. My base design relies heavily on traps to protect my center. Essentially without this after 1 or 2 attacks I would have no traps left and my base might and loot might as well be exposed at this point.

2) As suggested earlier. Scalable loot.
a) It should scale with TH level (Similar algorithm to determine what # base you are in war. Because Higher TH's aren't always the lowest numbers in the war. Sometimes a TH8 might #5, and a TH7 might be #4 if TH8 is rushed). The second way it should be scalable is with consecutive defenses.

Consecutive Defenses	Loot
1	x
2	xx
3	xxx

etc...

This doesn't necessarily have to be linear, but hopefully my idea is well illustrated enough. But this brings me back to my original point 1). Successful defenses would need to rearm the traps automatically. Because if I get attacked I might not always be able to rearm my traps right away making successive defenses less likely. Even if the auto-rearm is a Check-Box option. An auto-rearm check box could work in this way.

If a successful defense is won, then all traps will be automatically rearmed. The rearm cost will be automatically debited from the Potential loot won on defense. If that isn't a sufficient amount to rearm all it would be debited from Gold storages. If that isn't sufficient then re-arming the traps would not occur. If you don't want it automatically debited don't Check the Auto-Rearm Check Box.

That's my suggestion to make it potentially viable and useable by people.

Because let's be honest. No one is going to attack a TH that is well protected with no loot to gain. Especially if the army composition takes a very long time to make or is very expensive. And even if it is someone using a BArcher composition, they will be looking for loot or a TH snipe.

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You'll be very surprised about people attacking for just trophys. If you push higher and you have no loot; you'll see loot does not matter anymore at that point.

I disagree with the idea of automatic traps :p I thimk the system is pretty good the way it is.

The idea isn't meant to be your second loot source after attacking. It's meant to add purpose. The loot sets I have offered; its supeecells final say. They could even go further and add a algorithm and do percentages but for the sake of simplicity: I chose to not do that even though I very well could of came up with some charts and so on and so forth.

Potentioal benifit could be greater than you think. You'll likely push-up trophys more if you know you'll win Defneses and your trap cost would go down. Of course people will still place townahlls out :p it's not a major gameplay change but it is a small one that perhaps could be explained more than I have done so.

I also enjoy your chart and might need your help with one :p

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Well, I have several threads that deal with ideas that don't give loot as a result of being on the defensive, except for one, which is more based on how much you damage the other guy.

Proposed Defence Revamp
This one is my latest shots in the dark in regards to the defence issue. Feel free to look at it, or check my other threads via my profile.

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You already know I'm going to look at most threads :p

Was kind of a semi-shameless plug for my ideas, since I know some people aren't a fan of people getting loot on defence wins.

Idk, just tossing it out there. What's the worst that could happen? It stays ignored? :unsure:

(feeling kind of bummed out atm, so not exactly able to put much effort into things.)

Sorry didn't read through all the pages.
Can't you just drop in trophies and make a troll base? That could farm up this defensive bonus too easily.
This also creates some sort of a hidden storage. You can collect it whenever you want, and it will never be raided, unlike war loot. This can potentially be fixed with just putting the rewards in the CC or just directly into the storages.

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You'll be very surprised about people attacking for just trophys. If you push higher and you have no loot; you'll see loot does not matter anymore at that point.

I disagree with the idea of automatic traps :p I thimk the system is pretty good the way it is.

The idea isn't meant to be your second loot source after attacking. It's meant to add purpose. The loot sets I have offered; its supeecells final say. They could even go further and add a algorithm and do percentages but for the sake of simplicity: I chose to not do that even though I very well could of came up with some charts and so on and so forth.

Potentioal benifit could be greater than you think. You'll likely push-up trophys more if you know you'll win Defneses and your trap cost would go down. Of course people will still place townahlls out :p it's not a major gameplay change but it is a small one that perhaps could be explained more than I have done so.

I also enjoy your chart and might need your help with one :p

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On my TH9 account I've never pushed past 2000 trophies. Never needed to. Occasionally when my trophies have dropped too low then I'll just go through and revenge people for trophies since the trophy reward is higher anyways.

I actually like my automatic trap idea regardless if this idea gets implemented or not. I always end up rearming them anyways so if it could just do it for me that would be great, given I have the funds to do so.

I guess if the idea isn't to be for the loot then you should change the poll question, because
"Yes; GIVE MEH DA LOOT" and "No; I'm too good for this loot bonus" seem to imply otherwise.

I think between my style of play, and the people I know styles of play - is so different from worrying about defending that I"m missing the concept of this and can't really conceive this being viable without incentivizing defense greatly, and offering rewards for doing so. Also your title implies that there would be incentives for defending so my suggestion was to improve the incentives so that the benefit is > cost.

Think of it like this. There is a candy bar that Cost $2. You buy it for $2. Two people offer to buy your candy bar. One offers you .50 cents. The other offers you $3.50.

Given no other information you would never choose to take the .50 cent offer because the benefit < cost. (This is just an example, I'm aware there are What-If's that could change the scenario). So I'm having trouble wrapping my ahead around why anyone would defend without some sort of perceived benefit for doing so. Because the audience you are trying to capture is roughly the 2/3 of Clashers that currently leave their TH exposed. You aren't concerned with the people that already protect their TH because its already protected and they are already defending. So maybe if you can explain or persuade me that pushing trophies higher is a greater benefit than I currently believe it is.

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Sorry didn't read through all the pages.
Can't you just drop in trophies and make a troll base? That could farm up this defensive bonus too easily.
This also creates some sort of a hidden storage. You can collect it whenever you want, and it will never be raided, unlike war loot. This can potentially be fixed with just putting the rewards in the CC or just directly into the storages.

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If you had read all the thread you would know you got loot from townhalls your level and there is a cap to Hwo many times. There is also a limitation to how long it's available. So yeah :p read next time

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Was kind of a semi-shameless plug for my ideas, since I know some people aren't a fan of people getting loot on defence wins.

Idk, just tossing it out there. What's the worst that could happen? It stays ignored? :unsure:

(feeling kind of bummed out atm, so not exactly able to put much effort into things.)

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I understand :p I made sure to look at it. It was relevent to te thread so I have no issue with it :)

If if you would like a pep talk I would gladly assist you

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On my TH9 account I've never pushed past 2000 trophies. Never needed to. Occasionally when my trophies have dropped too low then I'll just go through and revenge people for trophies since the trophy reward is higher anyways.

I actually like my automatic trap idea regardless if this idea gets implemented or not. I always end up rearming them anyways so if it could just do it for me that would be great, given I have the funds to do so.

I guess if the idea isn't to be for the loot then you should change the poll question, because
"Yes; GIVE MEH DA LOOT" and "No; I'm too good for this loot bonus" seem to imply otherwise.

I think between my style of play, and the people I know styles of play - is so different from worrying about defending that I"m missing the concept of this and can't really conceive this being viable without incentivizing defense greatly, and offering rewards for doing so. Also your title implies that there would be incentives for defending so my suggestion was to improve the incentives so that the benefit is > cost.

Think of it like this. There is a candy bar that Cost $2. You buy it for $2. Two people offer to buy your candy bar. One offers you .50 cents. The other offers you $3.50.

Given no other information you would never choose to take the .50 cent offer because the benefit < cost. (This is just an example, I'm aware there are What-If's that could change the scenario). So I'm having trouble wrapping my ahead around why anyone would defend without some sort of perceived benefit for doing so. Because the audience you are trying to capture is roughly the 2/3 of Clashers that currently leave their TH exposed. You aren't concerned with the people that already protect their TH because its already protected and they are already defending. So maybe if you can explain or persuade me that pushing trophies higher is a greater benefit than I currently believe it is.

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Push past 2000 and you'll see exactly what I mean. And the candy bar is 4$. A guy mugged you and took 2$ Since you were so strong. What would you rather do? Go buy bubble gum or would you rather be given a 1$ to compensate for your losses?

Yes the poll is rather confusing. I shall change that :)

Pushing trophys is mostly for the bling. You can push higher and get better loot or you can get worse. But; it adds a higher level of gameplay and it shows you're packing more than what the guy in bronze is. Leagues is something a lot of people care about and this idea is meant towards those guys and the guys who are bankrupt and can't afford trap rearm or need to do a upgrade. It's not going to benifit that guy playing 8 hours and not getting attacked and eating sheilds.

Not everyone is going to benift from every idea :) im content with you being iffy about it. However; this change would not ruin the current system and would only improve it.

Defense is important, but to protect resources, not to win. Winning is less important, but there is an achievement for winning a certain amount of defenses that awards some gems, so thats an incentive.